You're right about that - they won't do anything because they think TSA has it under control. That's why I said "very little [read: no] control". Why should the government control it when they don't think there's anything wrong with it?
Wayfinder: The proper Benjamin Franklin quote has already been provided in the comments, so I'll just point you to it. You are quite correct - the TSA have become the terrorists. And we *do* know who is making the money off the backscatter scanner deal - for your reading pleasure, start here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/nation/2010/11/naked-scanners-lobbyists-join-war-terror .
btr1701: You wrote:
>The Supreme Court had nothing to do with this policy. It was conceived and implemented by a liberal Democrat administration and Congress.
Wrong. Department of Homeland Security and the TSA were conceived and implemented by the Bush II regime, shortly after 9/11. An all-GOP-led regime. The current administration and Congress have very little [read: no] control over Homeland Security and TSA.
Current transportation security is reactionary to what has been tried before, and does nothing to actually stop the next attack. I suggest reading Bruce Schneier's blogs at http://www.schneier.com/ .
The only truly effective things the air transportation industry or Department of Homeland Security has done to prevent further terrorist attacks is to reinforce the doors to the cockpit, and for the passengers to learn to subdue the terrorists.
And TDR:
>I've continually seen references to the story about flight 93's passengers fighting back, but it's my understanding that Cheney had the plane shot down and that's why it did go down, not because of any passenger revolt.
Your understanding is incorrect. Fighter planes were on their way, but they didn't get there. Had the military shot down Flight 93, it would have been trumpeted in *all* the media, and most especially, Fox News, as a "See? Bush is *not* a failure!" piece.
I watched airport security evolve in the six weekends after 9/11. It was bordering on the overcautious even then. Please - take a nail clipper file away because it might be used as a weapon? I can do far more damage with an ink pen. Or my bare hands. Or my cane, which I need to use to walk with as I have arthritis. And that was *before* the TSA got organized. We are so close to being a totalitarian rule country right now that it scares me.
One last story, which relates to that last statement: I know an elderly gentleman who, about three years after 9/11, told a small group of us gathered at his home for Thanksgiving (something he and his wife do every year - Thanksgiving for those that have nowhere else to go) that he saw what happened in Germany in the early to mid 1930s. He lived there, with his parents. He is a Jew, of German origin. He hid in his family's home during Kristallnacht - yes, while it was happening and in the city in which it was happening - and he saw the aftermath of Kristallnacht the morning after. Shortly thereafter, his family fled Germany to come to the US, because they saw what was happening to Germany and didn't want to be there for any more of it.
This elderly gentleman then told us that what he saw in the 1930s he was seeing again in the aftermath of 9/11. And he was terrified, because it seemed to him that no one else (or at best, a very few people) saw it happening. And part of his fear came from the fact that he's too old to flee again.
I didn't need his account to see it happening. But it scared me to have this survivor tell his story, and then to say that it's happening again.
We the people need to nip this in the bud now, even though it's blossomed into a rather large flower. The government doesn't care about Joe Sixpack any more, no matter the political persuasion of Joe Sixpack. They're in it for the power, they're in it for the money. Those are not the principles upon which this country was founded.
We still have our Second Amendment rights. Perhaps it's time to use those rights - before those, too, get taken away from us.
(Factual accounts nullify Godwin, so don't even think of using that "Law" on this comment.)
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Re: Re: Total Security Fail Administration
And have done for many decades now, yes.
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You're right about that - they won't do anything because they think TSA has it under control. That's why I said "very little [read: no] control". Why should the government control it when they don't think there's anything wrong with it?
Total Security Fail Administration
Wayfinder: The proper Benjamin Franklin quote has already been provided in the comments, so I'll just point you to it. You are quite correct - the TSA have become the terrorists. And we *do* know who is making the money off the backscatter scanner deal - for your reading pleasure, start here: http://washingtonexaminer.com/nation/2010/11/naked-scanners-lobbyists-join-war-terror .
btr1701: You wrote:
>The Supreme Court had nothing to do with this policy. It was conceived and implemented by a liberal Democrat administration and Congress.
Wrong. Department of Homeland Security and the TSA were conceived and implemented by the Bush II regime, shortly after 9/11. An all-GOP-led regime. The current administration and Congress have very little [read: no] control over Homeland Security and TSA.
Current transportation security is reactionary to what has been tried before, and does nothing to actually stop the next attack. I suggest reading Bruce Schneier's blogs at http://www.schneier.com/ .
The only truly effective things the air transportation industry or Department of Homeland Security has done to prevent further terrorist attacks is to reinforce the doors to the cockpit, and for the passengers to learn to subdue the terrorists.
And TDR:
>I've continually seen references to the story about flight 93's passengers fighting back, but it's my understanding that Cheney had the plane shot down and that's why it did go down, not because of any passenger revolt.
Your understanding is incorrect. Fighter planes were on their way, but they didn't get there. Had the military shot down Flight 93, it would have been trumpeted in *all* the media, and most especially, Fox News, as a "See? Bush is *not* a failure!" piece.
I watched airport security evolve in the six weekends after 9/11. It was bordering on the overcautious even then. Please - take a nail clipper file away because it might be used as a weapon? I can do far more damage with an ink pen. Or my bare hands. Or my cane, which I need to use to walk with as I have arthritis. And that was *before* the TSA got organized. We are so close to being a totalitarian rule country right now that it scares me.
One last story, which relates to that last statement: I know an elderly gentleman who, about three years after 9/11, told a small group of us gathered at his home for Thanksgiving (something he and his wife do every year - Thanksgiving for those that have nowhere else to go) that he saw what happened in Germany in the early to mid 1930s. He lived there, with his parents. He is a Jew, of German origin. He hid in his family's home during Kristallnacht - yes, while it was happening and in the city in which it was happening - and he saw the aftermath of Kristallnacht the morning after. Shortly thereafter, his family fled Germany to come to the US, because they saw what was happening to Germany and didn't want to be there for any more of it.
This elderly gentleman then told us that what he saw in the 1930s he was seeing again in the aftermath of 9/11. And he was terrified, because it seemed to him that no one else (or at best, a very few people) saw it happening. And part of his fear came from the fact that he's too old to flee again.
I didn't need his account to see it happening. But it scared me to have this survivor tell his story, and then to say that it's happening again.
We the people need to nip this in the bud now, even though it's blossomed into a rather large flower. The government doesn't care about Joe Sixpack any more, no matter the political persuasion of Joe Sixpack. They're in it for the power, they're in it for the money. Those are not the principles upon which this country was founded.
We still have our Second Amendment rights. Perhaps it's time to use those rights - before those, too, get taken away from us.
(Factual accounts nullify Godwin, so don't even think of using that "Law" on this comment.)