clearly mr.know-it-all PaulT you dont know about tm repository, its bee around quite a while now, its not mine, its just a site i find amusing, I give up trying to discuss with you because, nothing i say has any validitiy to you, its all"bullshit"
like your implying i said you have to use the command line for everything in linux....i never said or implied that but, hey anything you can type out to discredit somebody whos opinion and experiance you dont agree with/like huh?
you should take it as a win, that i have accepted that linux is great for the desktop, has ZERO flaws and is just the best OS ever, hell even for gaming, you just gotta dick around for a few hours to get new games working 3/4 of the time thats no big deal!!!!
there are never any dependancy problems or driver problems, everything just works.
linux is flawless linux devs say so, so i admit i was wrong, everybody should be using linux, its the perfect screwdriver to drive nails threw concrete
as to dependancy issues, they mostly seem to arise because devlopers tie apps to specific version of other packages like GTK but hey, that never happns anymore accorting to PaulT so i must not have just dealt with this 2 weeks ago on a clients laptop after she tried to upgrade 2 apps she uses and discovered that the package manager didnt grab them
again you put words in my mouth, unlike lintards I dont try and say linux or windows are great for things they are bad at, like gaming, linux isnt a gaming platform but valve is trying to change that because gabe hates windows 8 and the MS store soooo much he has to do something. (im no fan of the ms MODERN app store, its crap but, its still not trying to block use of 3rd party apps like steam and games downloaded/installed with steam like gabe was implying it would be.
to me you seem to be advocating moving everybody over to a screw driver when they need a a hammer, have you see the "why linux sucks" videos? they arent attacks on linux they are linux users and devs talking about why linux isnt the best tool for many jobs/people, they also do a part of why its great, BUT even they admit, there are some serious core flaws in linux(like tyeing the drivers directly to the kernal!!!)
as i said linux is great for some uses, its not great for the average user as a desktop os, sorry that upsets you, really I am sorry it upsets you, because even most linux dev's admit its not really an option for the majority of society at this point.
i never mentioned needing the command line though, there are times its easier to do something by command line then it is using the gui's in various distro's note: i do not see that as a bad thing, but as a reason i wouldnt put somebody with little pc skill/knowledge on linux or bsd, command line is not idiot friendly.
but hey whatever, you wana advocate linux for everybody, go for it, im not gonna stop you, i will just make money installing windows for people who got talked into using ubuntu and then discovered it wouldnt run the apps/games/ect they wanted as have been doing for years.
dual booting is a pain in the ass, and of my 300+ games on steam, around 60 work on linux, most of them i dont play and got via deals like humble bundles/indiroyal/ect.
and PaulT, i have run ubuntu on the the same class of hardware as that office system, its slower, i dont got exact specs at the moment but its an old c2d based HP/Compaq mini pc designed for office work and not much else, running bsd or ubuntu is slower then windows on that system, vector would be faster, but its a light weight distro unlike ubuntu thats far from light.
and the txt file was a common thing done back in the 90's to mid 2k's by computer shops, not in offices, we did it incase the user brought the system to another shop so that the tech would know what they where dealing with, it wasnt to be rude or mean, it was a time saver knowing you where probably best off disregarding what the user told you and figuring out the problem yourself.
an example would be a user to would randomly delete files/folders to free up space without knowing WTF they where doing then would say stuff like "it just stopped working, i have no idea why, microsoft sucks"
as to when i talk about at the current office system, its my mother and 2 other people who use it, people who are hard to impossible to train in anything they are not familiar with, my mother can adapt to a point but if things arent what she expects, she gets frustrated, the family friend who helps out at the office is in her 60's she can facebook and play web games but trying to teach her to use anything shes not use to is pretty much impossible, I went so far as to print out images for her on how to login to the scheduling system we use for the front desk, as well as images on how to add appts, she STILL couldnt do it....shes a nice old lady but shes very very limited.
oh and dont get me started on the 2003 to 2007 thing, my mother took over a year to adapt.....
funny enough, she had no issues going from xp/2003 to 7, and on 8 all i had to do was insall iobit's start menu and shes happy with her new hp laptop.
and looking back up, no it was full install from a cd/dvd not a live disk, though, vector beats ubuntu there as well, feel free to try it out vs ubuntu.
ubuntu is to me and many others the unpatched windows vista of the linux world, its great for noobs but its far from the best distro out there.
hell, i would rather install slackware then ubuntu despite ubuntu being easier to install(all point and click vs command line)
that old POS at the office front desk is what it is, it runs well under windows 7, but dosnt work well with bsd or heavier linux distro's, yes i know i could go threw and hand optimize and even recompile stuff to be optimal for that system but, thats alot of work for little gain when i could just install 7 and have a system they arent gonna complain about using.
and i wasnt judging linux as a whole by its gaming support, i was stating why it isnt my primary choice of os for home use, sorry that upsets you.
you sound like you love linux, and thats fine, its a great os for some uses, and for some people, I prefer it for webservers for example over windows options because you can get more out of less, for desktop it depends.
if a user just uses the net and some light typing and such, i may install vector and update it, adding/removing apps as needed for their useage, and then leave it for years, infact the woman down the street has an old first gen dual core system that I setup with vector 5+ years ago and all i have done for her since is update the browser and stuff like flash, leaving the rest as is, because, it just works and shes use to it, if that changes and i need to install a newer version of linux i will but, if its working for her uses(mail/facebook/ect) then why mess with it?
on the other hand, if i setup a gaming system for somebody i wont choose linux, if i setup a system for somebody who wants to use alot of retail software, im not gonna put them on linux...because thats not a strong point of linux.
seems like your pushing the "linux for everybody and everything" angle when linux is far from optimal for the average joe sixpack type user who just wants to be able to buy an app at the store or on amazon and have it work.
oh btw, when linus adopts a HAL and stable driver API/ABI let me know, i got sick of kernal updates breaking my drivers on my old laptop so i installed bsd on it instead, sure i dont got the latest versions of most apps but, at least updates dont leave me with no sound or working video driver or working nic or or or or.....*bangs head into desk*
again though, linux is great for what it is, i just dont think its really a replacement for windows for the GP, and am starting to doubt it ever will be even with steambox type projects coming out....
unix/solaris/bsd are better systems then linux in my exp, but they all have their flaws, no system with humans involved is perfect.
linux still suffers dependancy hell, its part of why I dont really care to use it as my primary os even at work where, i could get away with it(here I game and dont feel like fucking around with wine for hours to get new games working)
I will say,despite the bs people say I like Solaris on sparc systems with the Java based UI, it actually works REALLY well, havent tried it on an x86/x86-64 system in many years though, on the other hand bsd works well on simi-modern hardware, but not so well on older hardware, and depending on the linux version it can work great on older hardware or be unuseable.
ubuntu on my office system wouldnt fly, would be slower then 7 is( i have tested it) on the other hand vector linux(slack based) runs great, its just easier to leave 7 on there so others who use that system dont bitch about it not being what they are use to.....
again though, as i think we all know, the biggest security flaw in any system is the user....EUE/PEBKAM/ID10T and a slew of others....we use to leave text files in the root of systems with those terms in them so anybody else paid to work on the system would know what they where dealing with.
actually its 2/3 windows server 1/3 *nix based(some solaris, some bsd some linux)
the custom apps for the most part access some old ass telnet based systems that the company dosnt want to pay to replace/update but needed to do something to make them more user friendly.
so they stuck a UI over the telnet system.
biggest thing with windows is to not let the user install their own apps(unless they know WTF they are doing, most dont)
but thats true with OSX and even Linux, if you give the user to much power, they will fuck shit up.....ask anybody in IT, or tech support...users are the biggest flaw in security in any system...be it computers of physical security.
as the old joke goes, every time you produce an idiot proof device/system, the world produces a new breed of idiots able to fuck it all up.
will have to ask my buddy i cant for the life of me remember the right thing to search but AFIK it was an issue with LAMP that made web news pretty heavily for a few weeks last year, and was pretty nasty bug, but only effected linux setups, windows servers where immune even if they ran AMP.
yup, infact, a friend of mine who works for a large banking firm says they have found windows vista/7/8/8.1 to be more secure then the linux build 1/2 their desktops where running, and after alot of testing they decided to just go with windows 7 and a 3rd party security suit, since with the tools MS offers it makes it easy for them to update group policies and such easily, and now even their own internal apps self update(using a torrent based updater!!!)
its pretty cool really, they also considered BSD but discovered that the new desktops they had bought over 1500 of(for replacing on p4/p-d xp systems) didnt have good driver support under bsd yet.
7 however works great and they where able to set it up so that the systems dont have WMP or even IE installed, they have Seamonkey and Chrome, as well as VLC all setup to be updated once a month as needed. (they went with vlc because despite its flaws, it can play videos direct from iso files linked over the network, and that saved IT alot of time and effort)