It goes further than this - what we have is totalitarianism pressed into service to defend a politically correct "moderate middle ground" in which everyone is equally nice, and in which Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.
When the line you are trying to push is so logically inconsistent then you cannot defend it by argument and you have to resort to this kind of totalitarian nonsense.
And by the way - the totalitarianism wasn't at all lacking - remember the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6.
Remember also the republican spokesmen having their words "voiced by an actor" to get round the ban on them speaking on the media - note that that particular limitation on speech has not been applied to muslims - although those who oppose them more honestly than the UK government dares to do have been prevented from speaking in the UK.
Re: Re: "I know, let's give them even /more/ reasons to hate us!"
I know what you mean and I think I know your good intentions in writing a comment like this, but I dislike this argument. For the would-be extremist, it seems pretty clear that little in the way of true terrestrial grievance or geopolitical factors need be applied. After all, there are oppressed peoples the world over, and not all of them react in identical fashions.
Very true, however, although it is unlikely that it will cause anyone to hate us more - it certainly gives their apologists excuses for anything bad they might do - and that is not a good idea.
I'm not denying that it 's done, I'm not even denying that it's quite common,I'm not even denying that has become standard practice in some places from time to time. However I am denying that it is the norm.
The problem with most of the examples that you give is that we know about them because they are newsworthy - and by definition that implies that they are unusual and therefore not the norm.
(I do however think that the US practice of plea bargaining is a terrible incentive for bad behaviour by interrogators and I'm happy that we don't have it here in the UK to anything like the same extent)
That this is common practice and is not just the methods of a few bad players has been the subject of a number of reports already.
Can you provide links for this?
Ahmed Muhammed (the clock kid) was isolated from parents and legal council for hours while his principal and local officers tried to wring from him a confession.
Again - a one off case - hence we know about it - and indicative of how things go wrong when people who are not properly trained for this type of work (although perhaps they should have been) go over the top on the basis of what they have seen on TV.
The incident is exemplary of how we regard people who look like terrorists (as we imagine them to be) as less than people
That is a spin that has been put on the incident by people who are tryng to reinforce a certain political line. The facts don't actually support that aspect of the incident in this case. Given the stupid, over the top, "zero tolerance" approach adopted by some schools I am pretty sure that exactly the same thing would have happened to any pupil, regardless of race, or religious implications of the sound of his name.
Having said that, I do agree with you about the "enemy combatants" thing - it was appalling - but this incident is completely unrelated to it.
fact that Law Enforcement's been beating people up to squeal for centuries now, Well actually, in general, in the real world as opposed to tv/film, they don't do that because it doesn't work - and even if it does it is unlikely that the evidence would be usable in court.
The possibility of secure encryption exists within mathematical logic and ways to achieve it are in the public domain.
Any terrorist organisation capable of being a serious threat has to be presumed to be capable of making use of secure encryption - regardless of whether it is in fact built in to commonly used systems.
Any terrorist or organisation that is not capable of creating its own version of well know secure encryption algorithms and hence only uses the most common public platforms will certainly make enough mistakes to be caught anyway - even if those platforms are secure - (or not be capable of any real threat),
It follows that these protestations from the FBI etc are not really about anything other than budget and feelings of importance/control. With the added bonus of being able to spy on your enemies (in the political sense of the word)