dear Anonymous Coward Troll posing as Lobo Santo's Ugly ....you continually leave the "shit tap" on full blast when you comment. Its absolutely amazing and easy to see through your circular logic garbage...lets see
you wrote: "Further, there are other quotes mentioning the signficant changes already in 2009 (music sales revenues up 18%, digital sales up 80%), which suggests that piracy had a very significant and clear negative impact on music sales."
um no it doesn't suggest anything about piracy any more than it suggests that better music was released and people decided it was worth purchasing...or even that as more files were shared..more got to "try before you buy" and then went on to buy more of the music they liked..
See how easy it is to "suggest" ? except I don't spout it as proof of anything unlike you and your completely transparent agenda. Go sell your brainless crap elsewhere.
perhaps your problem is due to factors other than torrents..
for example..you, your band, your PR firm, and your Label all may suck at what you/they do..or maybe its that your music lacks any connection to modern tastes as (in my opinion and apparently many others opinions )it sounds like a rehash of a million other bands doing the same old tired style that was outdated 10 years ago..try listening to music outside of your style to be inspired to do something fresher..it might help...
finally..have you actually tried giving you music away to see if it helps your sales? Seems like you have nothing to lose by trying at this point anyway and it has been a proven strategy for many other more successful artists..
I'm just fellow musician trying to help as it does seem you have decent talent..you just need to innovate more in every area.
Thank You for responding in a more civil way than my post..you humble me..but also confuse me in that your tone is different when referring to Mike.
However, I must dispute the points you made because the evidence I'm seeing from my perspective within the industry leads me to draw radically different conclusions. I don't see the industry as an emptying pool, but as a limitless, vast ocean now, open to all who have gumption and talent to make a living doing what they love without signing into indentured slavery.
"Example, many of the in mainstream music may not have realized that the prize at the end of the rainbow, getting a record deal and getting well enough known to do this for a living, get famous, whatever, is being dismantled."
Ok firstly...where is the evidence that the ability to make a living in music is being dismantled? I see much evidence to the contrary..in fact..long before the internet was widespread..i knew many cover bands who's members were doing well enough working 3-4 nights a week to buy houses and send their kids to private school. Ive been in these bands. trust me, if you have real talent and are smart with your life choices, you can do better than most college graduates.
check out the story of Imogen Heap...an incredibly creative and original(subjective, i know) artist who was soured by her brief experience with being signed. She then pursued her solo career like any small business. She took out a loan to live and write for a year..released her album...the album did so well..she created her own company and had the majors crawling to her for a contract to distribute in US, Japan, and Europe. She bargained from a position of power, due to her amazing following garnered through her own efforts online and allowing her fans to hear her music.
other great examples include Ani Defranco and LTJ Bukem not to mention the various artists mentioned on TD.
what Im saying is that there has been a paradigm shift in the industry due to technology that requires a paradigm shift in approaches to becoming successful in music. Even in what the definition of success is. Perhaps we may see the decline of the superstar...I doubt that since Ive seen the power of personality cults.
However, I predict there will be a massive increase in middle-class full-time artists. Its already happening now. More music will be available that is just as professional as anything put out by a major.
you might try looking at whats happening from a different perspective. the pool is not emptying...its bone dry and unnecessary, because everyone is swimming in the ocean now.
Man...Ive been reading your ignorant posts for weeks now..and I must say that..
You sir/miss have proven actually how little you know of current music trends and that you know even less about modern music history..
"Those would be the same fans in the past that would have owned every album, every bootleg, every whatever."
You just described every "rabid" Grateful Dead fan I know, who, buy the way freely allowed their music to be shared..
Is it that you actually think the old way of doing music biz was better?..Do you know anything about what that was like for artists? For creativity? Originality?..The monopoly on culture by corporations who care nothing of art, only the bottom line, is over..and they(and i guess you) cant stand it.
Pray tell what is your solution? What does the perfect world of music and culture look like to you AC? Do you think suing fans, destroying tech advancement, and allowing less freedom is good for art? Do you really think the REAL artists out there have a problem with this new situation where they find they have more bargaining power, more options, and more control (and as a result are more personally responsible for their own success or failure) over their careers?
Note: I couldn't care any less about the fake cookie cutter artists that cant make it in this new environment...they have been part of the problem for decades. Let them learn to swim or drown..who knows maybe there is a real market for banal, derivative artists..at least now I have a choice...not on the radio yet..but on the internet, I do..
This did not exist when I started in this industry in the late 80s...
Ive seen both sides of the equation up close...and let me tell you..not one real artist I know is complaining, and I know, perform and work with a lot of them..
In fact they are celebrating the democratizing effect of the internet and the new-found freedom to live, work and create without the monopoly controls that used to dominate and homogenize the music industry..
Please educate yourself and stop being such a troll..
there are well researched books on the inner workings of the industry throughout the 80s and 90s..you can start with "Hit Men" by Frederic Dannen..also you can check out the multitudes of examples discussed right here on TD on how real artists are making a better living now than ever before when there was NO chance given them by the corporate gatekeepers of yesterday.
except as soon as your signal bounces out of the country via TOR, it become legal fair game for NSA and Echelon via Patriot Act, Military Comm Act, etc. If you think the NSA cannot crack any system in the world, you better think twice. Of course they spy anyway whether its "officially" legal or not.
Look at how they got their new patsies in these new terrorist cases. FBI provides incentive, material support, and "fake" bombs for these dumb asses. Well except for 1993 WTC bombing where FBI provided REAL bomb....and let it explode.
and then there is the 911 inside job of course.....
so dont go assuming your safe...if its online...its available to those with the resources and intent.
I was thinking about how crazy this whole situation is....with people getting sued for helping to promote artists and just being normal fans...
I remember starting college in late 80s and thinking how lucky my first girlfriend there was. Somehow she got on some list where the labels actually would mail her new albums, merch, posters...all kinds of swag...every week for free. In return she was supposed to let them know what she thought of various music by filling out forms and expose her friends and get their reaction. I remember wishing that i could get a free Whitesnake, or Prince tape. What a different attitude than today. Perhaps because it cost them nothing.
You see, in those days the labels actually gave about a third of everything they manufactured away..to media, fan clubs, reviewers and people like my g-friend at the time. Oh and it cost them nothing. They still charged 100 percent of that back to the artist who had no say on the amount or abuse of the promotional giveaways they were being charged for. This among other fraudulent practices usually left the artist in debt to the label. the artist could not make any music or profit until this was paid back which effectively, in many cases, ended the artists career. Meanwhile, the label has another tax write-off.
really...I cant believe people kowtow so easily to these assholes. excuse my lang. but this pisses me off. I cant tell you how many times as a performer Ive looked up lyrics to toss a cool cover in my original sets, which gets the writer paid via licenses charged to the venues I play. Why make it hard? Do they want me to sing the wrong fukin words if i cant understand the original recording? Can they even collect for that? Costing THEM more?
This is America goddamit..Am i the only one left with a pair?
This is not about privacy for the Telcos, but about the overt disintegration of whats left of our Republic. I care not what the "law" states ...a corp is NOT a person in any sense and these criminals deserve exposure, ridicule and a loss of their corp. charter. Period. We need to get back to the pre-Robber Baron days when it comes to legal corp power. corporate destruction of the republic that millions have died for is treason in any definition of the word which caries a death sentence. When we start publicly hanging a few bankers and corrupt politicians along Wall St and K St, you will get REAL change.
"Does this also mean that Hollywood will stop making movies of classic comics and books? It seems like the only safe thing for them to do is to base everything on entirely new characters and storylines."
And that would be a marvelous revolution. Hollywood would have to actually be creative and original. It would be a Renaissance of movie culture.
In any case...as a musician, I personally would support an alternative to the current system of royalty collection societies. Could not some smart entrepreneur build a more equitable and efficient system that doesn't sound like extortion? A system where, oh instead if making people pay to listen or venues to pay to play, the public has an incentive to use and promote music? Insights? Even from the annoying and frustrating AC?
firstly, I never ment to imply you were an idiot, only that perhaps you are a bit misinformed. Perhaps I worded my objections so strongly due to the arrogant pomposity of your original post which seemed to discount out of hand any opposing opinion or evidence. My apologies.
Second, this is a small detail, but it must be said that after so long in the industry, people like myself tend to get a hold of lots of gear over time. My contention was that about 5000 was all anyone needed to sound as professional as George Strait or Janet Jackson. You don't need to build a million dollar echo chamber when you have software that can virtually model it.
Thirdly, I have years of experience working in studios of all kinds and at all levels. I can certainly say that there is a difference between a 15,000 compressor and a software plug in. If you work with enough gear you learn that the choice of internal electronic components makes a difference and especially during the formative years of computer vs analog recording gear. HOWEVER, technology has now advanced to where that difference gets smaller every day. Because of this most of the big and famous (500,000 and up) rooms are losing money and the old analog equipment is falling into disrepair (which I lament) as the people with the skills to maintain them are dying off. As Ive personally experienced, many times an engineer or producer will choose the the plug in over the outboard gear due to a much better convenience and workflow.
As for myself, I personally never desired FAME and do not consider it a measure my success. I run my studio, I run the occasional sound production, I promote concerts, I write music and perform it in various projects. This gives me enough to buy a house and live free of any boss or grind. Yes my little studio works ok for me. When I release the new music I'm working on I will try every idea Ive encountered here and with appreciation. If my experience with this warrants attention by any here I will be more than happy to share the details once the game is afoot. Thank you for tuning in
Dear Michial- sir, you obviously have no clue as to what is involved in composing, recording, mixing, producing, mastering, and promoting music for any market. Here are a few nuggets of gross ignorance that just a little simple research could have prevented:
"hack musician studio with $500k or more worth of editing equipment'
Who says you need 500k worth of equipment? a computer with a MOTU interface and preamps-less than $2000..good mike like a Rode NT- $300 Pro level audio recording and editing software range from free- Audacity to mid Cubase $400 to high-end: Nuendo $1800. That doesn't seem to equal $500,000 and you will find the results these tools in many major label releases.
"the bands that sell only a few thousand CD's a year"
Um ever heard of Nine Inch Nails? Radiohead? You know those obscure bands that play arenas and sell hundreds of thousands of CDs, downloads, and merch. How about Ani Defranco who though not as big in industry terms as the former two is still a household name among the collage crowd and still, as always, releases all of her material out of her own company? How about pre-internet examples of independent artists like the Grateful Dead and Frank Zappa?
Ive been working in this industry for over 20 years as a performer and producer both live and in studio. I remember the days before computers and MIDI democratized the recording industry. EVEN in those days, my band played gigs to make studio money and we never involved a label in the deal, yet had access to what you so arrogantly term PRO recording equipment and producers. I wouldn't take exception to your opinions if they came from any real understanding about the subject. Maybe you should stick to just listening to music and let those who know and have experienced more posit INFORMED opinions about the current state of the recording/music industry. thank you for your time.
Shouldn't judges be held accountable for even honest mistakes? Oh, I forgot, it's a "post 911" world. This means that even if you fail horribly at your duty, even resulting in the death of innocents, you get promoted instead of discipline.
The unfortunate detail about TOR is that it bounces your signal around, in and out of the country, giving the CIA the legal grounds to spy on you (Patriot, Military Commissions Act). That is not to say I don't believe that if they wish they will do whatever they want regardless of the legalities. What is the solution to maintaining privacy?
Stay off the net? What about freedom and dissent?