Right off the bat, before the story can even be read the OPINION of the author is expressed.
Yes. This is an opinion site. We state opinions.
What's the problem now?
Instead, Trump supporters (and Clinton non-supporters), will just dismiss this as another attack piece. They'll never read your content and their (legitimate) distrust of the mainstream media will grow.
Wait. It's my responsibility that some people live in such a closed bubble they refuse to read anything that doesn't already meet their preconceived notions? Fuck that. I'm not here to coddle people. I'm here to state my opinion.
It's inflammatory and therefore draws eyeballs to advertising.
That's not why we do it. We do it because that's what we've always done. We state opinions. Have been for almost 20 years.
I was under the impression that StackCommerce always got to push whatever they felt like. Is there actually a review process, or does all stuff just get approved automatically?
Stack runs the store and decides what goes in there, and they send us the daily deals, which we then post to the blog. Since we control the blog, we can obviously refuse to post the ones that show up here. And we've turned down a few of them in the past. Not very often. But sometimes. This one we should have realized was problematic, but didn't. So it got posted on the regular schedule.
Yup. You guys are all right. This deal never should have been offered on the site and we're talking to Stack about this now. We should have caught this earlier, but did not. But for now we're no longer promoting it on the site. Really sorry about this. We shouldn't have let it happen, but it did. We'll try to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You need to get over it Mike...
Careful you are getting very close to having your posts moderated. The one thing Mike hates to be told is that what he thinks is absolutely right is really just an opinion.
Um. That's not true. We leave our comments open because these kinds of conversations are interesting and useful. We have spam filters. Sometimes they catch legit comments, but we clear them out as fast as we can.
Teamchaos, no matter how ridiculous he gets with his silly "red team/blue team" shit is not going to get "moderated."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You need to get over it Mike...
I'll keep reading because I like your opinions, they make me think, even if you can't admit you have an opinion.
Huh? I have an opinion. I have loads of opinions. This is an opinion site. Everything we write about is stuff we have an opinion on.
My complaint is not with you claiming that I have an opinion, because of course I do -- and, in fact, in the very last comment I told you what my opinion was. My complaint is with you insistence that I am writing this post because I am "biased" against Trump because "my side" lost.
That implies that I my opinion here is irrational. It is not. Suggesting that both protestors and the media are doing something wrong here is an abomination from a President or President elect. Again, just this fucking week I called out Clinton for her ridiculous threats to sue stations airing Trump ads. Funny that no one on that post was screaming at me about how I was a Trump supporter.
Why can't you understand this simple thing? Criticizing Trump's actions have nothing to do with Clinton. I'm focused on the actions of Trump, just like I focused on the actions of Clinton, Obama, Bush and various other political figures. I don't have a team. I don't root for a team. When someone does something stupid, I call it out.
That's how my opinion works. The problem I have is when people like yourself suggest I need to "get over it" and ignore bad behavior because you like the fucking uniform color. That's not how it works.
I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I don't have a side or a team. I focus on actions. If Trump did amazing things and protected the 1st & 4th Amendments and fixed copyright and patent law, I'd be the first to stand up and cheer. If Clinton came in and continued Obama's policies on all that I'd be the first shouting her down.
It's not about teams. And, yes, I have an opinion and I've never been shy about sharing it. But it's not "bias" against someone because of their team. It's an opinion about someone because of what they're doing.
And yet all the comments are from people whining about stuff totally unrelated to the story because they want to get political. No one gives a shit if you like the people in the video. That has nothing to do with this story. You look foolish commenting on that.
Stop it. Go off to some other site. There was nothing political about this post.
The nerve you hit is that you continue to accuse me of bullshit.
First - you don't have a side? Sure, of course you would have been equally happy who ever won the election.
I have made it clear that I thought both candidates would have been bad for the things we care about, but that Trump would be worse. Yes. That doesn't mean I supported Clinton. And it certainly doesn't mean I picked "a side" or am "biased." Both candidates were bad for things I care about. Trump was worse.
My posts here are not because I dislike Trump or I'm upset that he won and Clinton lost. My posts here are because Trump is doing something dangerous. If Clinton did something dangerous I'd be just as angry and I'm sure idiot Clinton supporters would be screaming at me "get over, your side lost" even tough that would be wrong as well.
Look I'm sick of bullshit "red team/blue team" idiocy. So, yeah, it hits a nerve when people jump in and assume that if you don't support the red team, you must support the blue team.
That's part of the fucking problem. People are focused on their teams and who "won" not what the fuck is happening.
I think tech dirt does a great job, or else I wouldn't even both to read it much less post. But it bothers me when you get too political. Thanks.
And that's just the thing. Getting political would mean picking sides based on the color of the uniform. We're not. We've stayed completely consistent, focusing on the actions and the policies. That's not political. It's making sure we protect what's important. Not "our side."
Your side lost, get over it (and don't tell me you don't have a side, your candidate may not have been on the ballot but your 'side' was).
I will say I didn't have a candidate. I didn't have a "side." I recognize the results of the election and I there is nothing for me to "get over."
No matter who won, I would be criticizing them if they said or did something stupid that offends or threatens the issues that we hold dear around here. I criticized Clinton's attacks on free speech (even did so this very week right before the election).
This isn't about team sports. I'm not on any "side" and I don't have to shut up when your candidate says something offensive.
Trump is right to blame the media for stoking the fears of the protesters
You mean the same candidate who stoked the fears of people himself? Really, now?
I've seen media reports of Jews scared for their life - totally unfounded since Trump's daughter converted to Judaism and his son in law is Jewish*
Fascinating. So you deny that any Jews can be fearful?
I've seen reports of gays equally afraid, when Trump called out his support of gays at the republican convention.
You maybe shouldn't just "see reports" of this stuff, but go out and talk to people whose lives are actually impacted. By saying that you don't believe these reports, it shows that you're denying people their very real feelings -- in the same way, I should mention, that MANY in the media denied the feelings of Trump supporters, by saying that they couldn't understand why they would support Trump.
You're doing the same shit. But you don't see it.
I'll be happy when tech dirt goes back to railing against the cable companies and bad cops.
We haven't stopped. Nothing has changed. It's just that you think we should stop critcizing the President because you like him better. But that's not happening. We have criticized every previous President and every previous candidate and we will continue to do so because -- UNLIKE YOU -- our positions are entirely consistent.
The election is over. Can you guys go back to writing about IP and the NSA, and keep the politics to a minimum or not at all? Or at least let your readers filter out the political stories.
This isn't about politics. A big part of what we've ALWAYS covered is the problem of crony capitalism in leading to harm for innovation, free expression, civil liberties and the like.
This story fits right in with that.
Sheesh, TechDirt is starting to turn into ESPN. I just want tech news, not incessant Trump-bashing or whining about black lives not mattering and 31 Baskin-Robbins flavors of gender identities not being validated by deplorable cis scum.
If you want us to ignore what's actually happening and how it impacts the things that we normally cover, go find yourself an echo chamber to live in.
He only said its unfair, not illegal or something that should be suppressed.
He claimed the press was "inciting." That's a pretty specific term, and it's a term necessary to argue that certain speech is unprotected by the First Amendment.
That's the concern.
But he's our president now and those who support tolerance and inclusiveness ought to figure out that they need some tolerance and inclusiveness for Trump and half the citizens in this country who voted for him if they want to change things.
I don't disagree. But if he says something ridiculous that implies he's not going to respect the First Amendment, he should be called out for it. If he does act presidential and actually does good things, I'll point that out too. But this? This is bad.