I don't really see anyone saying that to stop this would be the end of e-mail. What they are saying though is that if Google can't make money off advertising then they will try to improve their bottom line some other way. So in other words, they will either cut back on their services to save money, or maybe try charging. Google is a business, not a charity, they are going to do what it takes to make money.
As for the "oh no! Google is SPYING!" Well.... with the NSA tapping the back bone of the internet all standard e-mail is getting looked at anyways. Unless you are using something like PGP for your e-mails then they are getting scanned by any number of people as they travel the net.
That is not me saying I like the spying and that I like what Google is doing. No this is me pointing out that the problem is MUCH bigger than just Google.
On a side note, I really do find myself wondering what in the world you do for your computing. With all these posts about hating Google and Microsoft it makes me wonder how you even managed getting online and finding this place.
Well, I think he is little naive about more than just that.
"standing in an unemployment line by now."
I question if he would do much "standing" at all after all his insults to the online community. After all, if not for him hiding his identity, he likely would have learned first hand not all "geeks" are pasty white guys living in basements.
In my opinion "too big to fail" does not exist, there is no such thing as a company that is too big to fail.
There is a huge difference though between the economy selecting a company to fail and the government selecting one. Google will one day fall, it is bound to happen, but if it happens naturally through the economy then whoever replaces them will be creating new jobs to fill the void.
On the other hand, if they stand up to the government and are shut down suddenly almost overnight. That would be crippling to the economy.
It does also bring up a bit of a worrying point that, yes Google does hold a great deal of power. Any large corporation does. In the end though both these corporations and the government only have the power that is given them by the people. It is far past the time that we as a people stand up and demand they listen to us.
I think the question of that fight being smart or not depends on who you are really. I agree that for most people the end result would be jail with little effect for government.
On the other hand. What would happen if a company as big as Google put their foot down and said "We are done with this bull shit". Government then has to stop and question the economic impact of going to war with a company of that size. Even better is if a group all did it as one, you know, like Google, Microsoft, and others all working as a team.... Would our government be willing to toss our economy into the trash?
"That's not the way our government is supposed to work."
It is very sad that this sentence might as well just stay in reporters clipboard these days. Seems like non-stop run of stories of different examples of "That's not the way our government is supposed to work."
You know, it is seeing things like this that really make me think I need a government job. Good pay, good benefits, and you can still just go in put a "busy" sign on the door and take a nap all day. That is obviously what a lot of these guys must be doing....
Do you really think the leaders of these organizations have gone from hiding in a compounds and using only trusted messengers that hand deliver messages, to instead just grabbing nearest phone and setting up a conference call? Next they are going to want me to believe they intercepted a top terrorists Skype video conference.
What I find funny is they sat down and came to the conclusion this was "practical". So trying to spy on everyone and send popups is practical, but offering a good streaming service with ALL their content at reasonable price... that is not practical?
Re: But when I tell these FACTS here at Techdirt, I get censored.
I would also like to take this moment to point out something you seem to have missed.
Your always ranting about Google and how evil they are tracking our actions, but here you suggest that Tor users all are just criminals hiding from the law. You ever stop to think maybe some Tor users are actually just avoiding the evil google tracking?
Re: But when I tell these FACTS here at Techdirt, I get censored.
"But when I tell these FACTS here at Techdirt, I get censored."
I know I am just wasting my time, but I just so happen to have some time that needs wasting so...
I think it is worth pointing out that most people here would be more than willing to have an intelligent discussion. The reason most people report these post is because of your "holier than thou" tone. This results in us having no sympathy when your comments get hidden.
Well, it did at least warm up a little bit. We are no longer worried about the world getting blown to bits. Talking of the cold war though...
What I considered a "slap in the face of all Americans." was Obama coming out saying "we need another sputnik moment" and then shortly after that he kills the space shuttle program making us buy rides into space from..... Russia. Is it just me that finds those two things put together extremely insulting?
Follow that up by our government feeling the need to promise "we won't torture or kill him"..... It seems like every day I get up and loose a little more respect for the government. I'm not even sure how it is possible anymore really....
I was once proud to be an American, and I guess in some ways I still am. I am proud of what this nation once was and of the ideals it was built on. What I am ashamed of is what our government has become and what it is doing to this nation.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"
I think maybe it is time for those that are in government to sit down and study a little history. They obviously have lost sight of the core values this country was built on, and if they do not go back to those values.... I think the Declaration of Independence is quite clear on what happens next.
I was going to say something about how cool the US is that we made the stuff to be able to see it from space.... Then I remembered are oh so wonderful president figured we should trash our shuttles and beg for rides from Russia.
You know, I was once proud of the US, then I realized the US I was proud of no longer existed. That got me so I was just kind of indifferent... Then Obama comes along and makes me flat out embarrassed to admit I have anything to do with this country. I'm still holding onto the hope that maybe we can drag it back to what it should be though.