The issue with TFYC was that her "fight" with them lead to doxxing of one individual that she endorsed while also ensuring that her abusive behavior was not told to the general public.
The main problems with Quinn were 4 main issues: Her interaction with Wizardchan, her interaction with TFYC, the blog post by Erin, and the relationship with a "journalist"
With Wizardchan, she abused a forum for social awkward people just to have her game put on Steam. That abuse wasn't reported because of her connections to game journalists.
For TFYC, they tried to reason and negotiate with her and with evidence, it was found that she doxxed one member.
But the major points are she DDoS’d our site, she called us exploitative, and her PR manager Maya Felix Kramer posted my Facebook information which Zoe replied to, alerting her followers. Due to this, I received a death threat. My name Matthew Rappard does not appear on the current site or the previous site for TFYC, and I would have preferred to be a silent partner. This Twitter retweeting went on for almost 24 hours, most of them calling us transphobic and exploitative.
With no one talking about this, a LOT of gamers were upset at this behavior. Just for perspective, when gamers saw Alison Theus needed surgery, they came together to help Extra Credits by paying for that, and seeing her bully this donation site with no one reporting on it in the industry got a lot of people riled up.
But adding to this was the last two.
The blog post, I've not read. I came in when censorship on Youtube was a thing and I took it that what it said was pretty valid given how she tried to silence the topic. But the final straw and what everyone was upset about was the relationship.
I know a lot of people talk about some sort of review, but that's rather disingenuous. He didn't review her game but what DID happen was that people saw him giving her game preferential treatment (if you look at some of the research, I think it was the fact that he used language of Zoe's as well as put her game screen as the background over any of the other 50 games so DQ made more of an impression).
Those are the main 4 contentions in THAT part of the story from a journalistic perspective.
It still doesn't explain why there was no gamergate/notyourshield movement until a chick was at the crux of an incident of (mis)perceived corruption.
Well, as people were looking into that story, 14 articles came out declaring that gamers were dead. Source
What isn't mentioned is that people supportive were pushed out of even chronicling the story from Wikipedia or the doxxing and harassment coming out.
For Gamergate, it started when those articles came out. For NYS, that came about because a lot of journalists wanted to claim minority support to hide their unethical practices. Hence, the term.
That's why so many people are focused on the journalists. ZQ hasn't been relevant to the conversation since those articles came out. But people keep wanting to talk about her instead of the unethical issues unearth through that controversy as well as others that have arisen from agenda driven journalism.
I'm an AVID gamer, and I'd never heard of either Zoe Quinn or the FYC before this stupid "controversy" broke out. None of this matters. It's not worth the bandwidth the story would take up.
Then you aren't trying to report with full context. That's on you and your decision. But obviously, it was important to enough people to look into those aspects of the story and uncover what wasn't being told by gaming journalists.
Both are public forums. This bullshit about demanding that independent media outlets cover according to your demands is insane.
If you say so.
All I did was point out three parts of the story going missing. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and all you're doing is saying that it's about women's critiques and other nonsense while ignoring anything that doesn't fit your bias.
Also, a chat box isn't really the best area for a everything when there's other ways to tell the story.
Who do you people THINK you are?
I dunno, maybe people upset that gaming publications decided to pull a Jack Thompson on us, declare us dead and move on as if that crap was kosher?
Just a thought...
It also represents a big fat nothing with regard to the larger "controversy" GamerGate portends to be about. You people are all over the map, which is what I've been saying all along.
Well at least you're not claiming it's a right wing movement anymore...
Your movement was hijacked from its onset, it has no clear and concise complaint, it often makes accusations that turn out to be blatant falsehoods, and it has allowed itself to be characterized by some of the most vile human shitheads I've ever heard about who think it's fun to threaten death and rape upon people who don't deserve it.
Ah yes, ignore how they condemn such threats and ignore what I've just pointed out about third parties in other comments, right?
So's the journalism.
and it was NOT broken from the outside
Right, because journalists that try to claim that the public is entitles is so much better?
so start it anew
You missed the sites that have already popped up with better reporting.
make it make sense
Or you could just stop ignoring things you don't like. ;)
stop bitching about tiny little sub-issues that don't mean anything in the larger context
Sorry, but you have no control over those people and what they are looking for in reporting. Neither do I. What's small to you may be large to someone else. It's a collective of people organized into a number of things where ideas matter over who's in charge. They seem to have found a lot to do and they're still doing more. I guess watching the movement, we'll see where the ride ends.
stop with the petulant demand that major and minor media outlets cover every story you seem to think is worth covering
I didn't demand a damn thing from you. I just said you decided not to report on it. And you said that in chat. I accepted that you didn't want to report on it after our discussions and I'm not going to tell you a thing. But I WILL call out the contradictions just as I've done for years on this site in regards to copyright maximalism and treat this as I do any other person opposed to my viewpoint. You decided to talk about this and I just pointed out the issues. You can agree or disagree but the emotions flowing out don't matter to me. Decide whatever you want to report on.
I am not here to tell you what to do. But just like others here, I call out things that contradict what you say.
--but what you're talking about with the Zoe Quinn "scandal" is akin to the airplane being on fire and you're insisting we all talk about how it's made the soda cans too hot to drink.
You brought it up dude. That hasn't been the topic since it broke and the censorship made it larger.
By the way, censorship by DMCA started this ball rolling.
Censorship on Reddit got a lot more people involved. Welcome to the aftermarket of the Streisand Effect.
Why do you think there's only two sides to the argument?
There's been evidence that trolls have been riling up and doxxing people on both sides of the issue. That's a third party just looking to cause conflict, namely that one of Anita's recent discussions was prevented because of a really crazy troll from Something Awful.
Hell, did anyone talk about how there's a reward for the capture of the perp? Link
When you have a number of people in a revolt this size, you're going to have outliers. Regardless, you can't just claim that everything is one way or another. Sometimes, you have to rake the much and look for what the truth actually is.
There's been rational debate and discussion trying to occur, but you won't have it if the only thing you focus on is the death threats and ignore the real issues.
What people are upset about is how incredibly corrupted that game journalism has become. It was a problem seen for a long time and gamers have had to fight back against corrupt journalists. This isn't even the first time.
They did it with the Mass Effect 3 ending which was Bioware making a poor ending and hiding behind Jennifer Halperin for it. They spoke up, EA tried to close down conversation and it got larger.
Same thing with Adam Orth and his claims about the XB1 which people were upset about.
Hell, you can go back and see a lot more issues such as the Microsoft/Youtuber deal and see how they were upset with Youtubers on that.
It happens. People respond to incentives and the perverse incentive here is that some people troll. You have to deal with that while moving on with the conversation about how to end the corruption.
Escapist's reforms are a decent start but more people should want to do it. That's far more than trying to shut down a conversation because one person got a death threat when others have condemned it.
Obviously, you didn't look into the allegations and you've just ignored what people were upset about.
Namely, The Fine Young Capitalists, a feminist group, was harassed by Zoe Quinn and it was not reported.
Not by you, Polygon, Kotaku, RPS, or any other site. They got harassed and one person got doxxed and you're not condemning that. You're not reporting on it but you want me to rage about the Erin post when I said nothing about it.
Further, you skipped right over how 32,000 comments were deleted from Reddit when they were talking about it.
So don't claim people are amazing when all I've done is point out what was missed.
I think they believe it's silly to critique video games the same way we do television, art, and literature. I think that they believe video games are for light-hearted, often mindless fun, not for social critique.
That's rather false given how the Bayonetta reviews came out and Polygon's was minded toward the "social justice" crowd and gave it a 7.5 because of her "sexiness". Meanwhile, the author has an account on Suicide Girls which is a risque site for young girls marking his hypocrisy.
Other sites gave it a higher rating for gameplay instead of how sexy the character was. These are the same problems that came up in GTA V which ignored other aspects of social commentary. We got someone arguing about strip clubs in video games but they ignore how you torture an innocent man in one of the later missions.
If you want to bring in social politics, at least be consistent in the review. Rather glaring when you see how many people care about how sexy a main character is.
They're INCREDIBLY WRONG on every count, mind you, but I don't think the majority of gamergaters actively hate women or don't want women in their games industry. They just don't want to have to think about the social context of those games, what those games have to say about all of us playing them, or how the industry functions.
And, as I said earlier, until they can control the violence-threatening, idiot minority in their own ranks, they don't get to set the agenda. The dickheads have set it for them.
The majority of gamergate writings I've seen have been misogynistic, and a distressing amount of it has been violently so.
Please show these. I've had a different experience and I've noticed a lot more people willing to make claims on the lives of people supportive of GG than against others.
So I agree, people who are genuinely concerned about journalistic integrity should distance themselves from "gamergate" as much as they can and assemble their own movement. I could get behind such an effort.
It's not really a movement, but a revolt against the corrupt journalists that refuse to report on anything accurately or fairly. Instead of buying into one sided narratives, people have been looking into stories themselves and finding out the things missed by these biased narratives and reporting it themselves. If you try to distance them from the scandal that broke based on Gamergate (namely, the 14 articles declaring "Gamers are dead") then you're ignoring how incredibly crass and entitled those "journalists" seem in trying to dump crap on their patrons.
If anything, I'd probably recommend looking at the recent Huffington Post articles as well as some of the links above to understand where people are actually upset.
You can just see that he doesn't even care anymore. He's trying to put out a ton of fires and they keep popping up because Obama is listening to the wrong people...
And this keeps happening.
Folks... Franklin Delano Roosevelt did all of this in his first two sessions of his presidency. Let's make no bones about it. He listened to the conservatives bully, harry, and harass him until there was opposition to what was going on. To say otherwise is to ignore history.
Why are we repeating history?
We've had a Great Recession since 2007 and we had a Great Depression in 1929. You had a president when faced with opposition become far more progressive and work constantly to do a ton of things that either worked or failed. FDR closed the banks. He tried other stop measures by bailing out the rich. He did everything he could until WWII had him put 1/2 of the country in uniforms and the other 1/2 creating the uniforms.
We're not doing that this time. Hell, I'm omitting the sharecroppers and other poor people left out of the progressive era or the rise of the FBI and CIA from this time period.
He had three main things to deal with while Obama had Occupy. Instead of embracing this fledgling movement, he crushed it.
Instead of turning back the police state, he pushed it further. Instead of appeasing his base, he alienated it.
He's weak. Or he just doesn't care because he has two terms and he's getting out.
At this point, a LOT of people are pushing for Hillary and I can tell you she'll be just as bad, even worse. Remember, the biggest deregulation came from Bill when he signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which allowed the banks to speculate with taxpayer money.
But Obama? Will be a footnote. No legacy. No integrity. All the promises are hollow. He did nothing but turn into Hoover and people expect the next president to do more.
That's just ignoring the situation.
Folks, FDR had to face an organized grassroots effort to push his for reforms and eventually a New Deal. You know how we paid off the war? Taxes on the rich and corporations was at 94% And it has been going down. As it goes down for corporations and the rich, it goes up on people that aren't rich. Simple math.
But let's explain something...
For every dollar at the maximum level, the rich got to keep only $.06 with the maximum income at the time was $25,000 (roughly $300,000 now)
But now, they keep $.75 at the tax rate now.
And people want to keep lowering that tax rate now?
Perhaps doing some of the things that helped people before can help. Organizing, agitating, and pointing out the problems of society could help us have a better president. Maybe it can force Obama to care. But if you don't put pressure on the president to be great, they never will. That's the lesson learned.
People took a lot of money in helping out in funding a new ISP already.
I think it started went to $2 million. Can't recall it right now, but I'm sure it was on Ars Technica if someone else remembers...
Anyway, let's get to a few things...
While I firmly believe that most unions today are counterproductive (frequently holding back innovation and flexibility),
This isn't really true because unions represent democracy in the workplace. There are certainly some undemocratic unions but that's the result of rules such as the Taft-Hartley Act which deprive unions of dues while also having them represent people that don't pay these dues. It's a starvation tactic and it works to make unions less effective. Also, look in other countries such as Germany. They made unions stronger while America, since 1946, has made unions weaker.
That it later resulted in vast amounts of corruption and cronyism, let alone hindering the way in which companies could innovate and adapt, are certainly big issues to be concerned about -- but there were reasons why that happened as well (driven by leadership on both sides).
I'm not positive about this but the emphasis should be where we question this... Why are we only looking at leadership? The premise I set is that you pay dues for your protection in the workplace. After seeing what has happened to the largest unions (Teamsters for example), their decimation should make us question how we can better protect workers. It's not happening right now and the result is that the Steve Jobs of the world can walk all over their employees as a result of collusion. That should be something avoided IMO.
In regards to the Consumer's Union, I support the idea, and want to see how it goes. It's about time that people recognize that democracy begins with them. To have so many people create an organization from scratch is certainly needed along with someone advocating municipal broadband while protecting people on the national level could be done. It just takes organizing. I'll definitely see how this comes up as time goes along.
Three years... I made this comment as an inspiration and a warning based off General Adama's insight from Battlestar Galactica...
Adama didn't want to be the president as well as the highest military commander. Such an interest would destroy any form of democratic expression, which was the point.
America IS a police state. There is no denying it now. The no knock warrants, the Sound Cannons, the teargas and tyranny are caused by a long line of undemocratic measures making economic and political progress impossible for the mass of people.
Why did we allow this? Where did we go wrong? It's not just one event and pointing fingers won't help. But it's time to correct the mistakes so that they don't keep piling up and killing innocent people frustrated at their loss of constitutional rights.