Re: ADP has "no legitimate reason for ADP to cut off Zenefits"? -- AT WILL.
Except that they claim to have legitimate reasons (beyond greed) to cut off Zenefits. They have repeatedly claimed either traffic spikes or security, but have failed to provide any evidence. They have lied to a court about their motives in cutting off Zenefits.
Why are they trying to give a reason? What they are cutting Zenefits off from is standard industry practice. That could cost them far more then Zenefits customers, as large HR/Accounting firms might not want to work with a product that has shown the willingness to cut them off. They need to somehow dodge the PR bullet they just ate, and this article is about their flailing attempts to do that.
The way to shame ADP into admitting the truth is highlighting the attempt to hide the fact that ADP requires money if your firm is big enough.
Re: Re: Re: Net Neutrality Embraced by the dumbest among us
While I support many of Obama's economic sucesses, I certainly dont support his entire economic platform (bank bailouts bah!), and beyond economics I have few good words to say about his actions. I would in general not consider myself an Obama supporter, and I did not vote for him in the last election. Nor does the fact that Obama supports Title II make it an 'Obama Regulation" (evidence suggests that Title II was on the table before the White House gave it's support). However your attempted Ad Hominim does not address my questions.
You see, in a debate, the normal discourse is for two sides to present their view, and then present evidence/analysis to back up their claim. I asked a question for you to clarify your point, your response was to attack my character, dismiss my points off hand without actually refuting them and suggest I research your position for you. As I noted that I did not see your point having read the rules, I do not see how reading them again would improve things. Except, I expect your true goal is to drive me to read your site to learn the truth. However, I will give you another chance. If the truth is important to you, could you at least direct me to an article on your site with a detailed analysis of the regulations? I would love to properly debate the merits of your position, but I need to understand the details of your position to do so.
Re: Net Neutrality Embraced by the dumbest among us
And yet we have a number of small ISPs that welcome Title II. Most of the complaints about Title II coming from small businesses are concerns that also applied and were completely ignored back during the years of active Title II-less Neutrality rules. Somehow now that we are looking at Title II based rules, they are big concerns. There is one truely new regulation that could actually prove burdensome to a small business, and that's the as yet undetermined privacy regulations. But those regulations are something we need, in light of all the efforts public and private to get our data by any means possible.
You argue against your very point. The reason we have NN rules is because of those very shortsighted companies. We only have Title II because of...those shortsighted companies (who want you to forget they sued to end the rules, and are the reason a court told the FCC to use Title II).
So, remind me, which burdensome regulation is it that drive the small ISPs out of business?
Could you go into more detail on this? Perhaps explain how the rules as currently enacted perform as you claim? The NN rules as currently listed require ISPs to deliver the requested data regardless of source or potential interference with the other businesses of the ISP. Could you please explain how these rules implement FCC control over what content you are allowed to access, because I dont see that, having read the rules.
Actually, its an alleged copyright violation, which is both a US law and an Indian law. The poster is being threatened with criminal penalties under Indian law, but Github received a US-law based copyright complaint. The two actions are related, but distinct.
Its real. But while noble, the goal is to zero rate Wikipedia. And that helps foster and push the biases of the Wikipedia editors over the truth, because no alternative will be big enough to be zero rated. Its the same problem with zero rating anything - it immediately has a huge leg up on all competition. That will hurt competition. Its that simple.
You continue to apply the middle ground fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground You ignore all of the problems with the approach as suggested, those problems being lack of security, lack of anonymity, and likelihood for censorship.. You fail to understand that if facebook provides internet this way, it will disincentivize other companies from finding a different way. It is very likely to remain the only choice for the poor. AOL only failed because better options came along, and those options only came along because of the commercial benefits.
Subsidized rate- or data-limited access to the internet would achieve the same effects, could be done for similar cost. The significant difference is facebook won't be positioned to be the only ad provider to 2/3 of the world.
Thanks for admitting that internet.org is not the internet. As has been noted, subsidized free access has been done in the past. And nothing in that statement requires that facebook provide unlimited data or not perform reasonable network management. It only says that facebook shouldn't restrict what and how people try to view the internet. Its very important given Facebook's censorious past actions and the ease of censorship when there is a central gateway.
FACT: There are no ads within the Facebook experience on Internet.org. If revenue were the goal, Facebook would have focused resources on markets where online advertising is already thriving."
Note the weasel words. They are not saying there are not ads on internet.org, they are saying there are no ads on facebook on internet.org. But given all the site restrictions, I would bet getting your ads properly served is next to impossible. In fact this gem from the participation guidelines just about guarantees it:
But just because the internet.org Facebook is Ad-Free, doesn't mean Facebook isn't willing to offer their ad network to you.
That argument, besides being an ad hominim, is generally used to suggest that someone who could not replicate a result can not criticize someone who could. of course, just because I can't make complex dishes like a chef doesn't mean I can't tell you that there is too much pepper in the dish. The argument assumes that the result is objectively good, and that your subjective view is irrelevant. This fails because the result is often a subjective work, with subjective tastes being the only way to judge that work.
However, I fail to see how this argument applies, in any way, to the article at hand. Mike is commenting on a legal filing, and commenting on its merits.
A) have there been confirmations that the government has compromised a certificate Authority? B) Would a chinese of russian certificate authority neccisarily kowtow to the US Government? C) Without third party certification, How do we achieve security? Just taking the website's word for it wouldn't work...