Re: Re: Re: I wonder if I will read articles here again
well many so called christians view the rest of us as less then human, and if it wherent for there fear of the law and death they would try and clense the world of our kind.(anybody whos not one of their death cult.)
glad to see my gut feeling on this was correct, and what i learned other places as well.
to bad that the persecution had to drive her to kill herself.
I would bet they made threats of her going to jail/prison and such as well, as thats quite common if they cant get you to do what they want.....anything to get what they want, even if its creating a victim.
as to the students.....well, i really doubt it was THAT bad, i mean kids can be cruel but, also tend to have short memories as well, most of the issue Im willing to bet falls back on the DA and the Cops who couldnt just let this go for her sake of nothing else.
and Im betting why they didnt throw the book, weak case as you said, hard to get a conviction when you cant get anybody to testify to somebodies guilt....
I suggest you read the story behind tims inflamitory blurb, and the other comments here.
1. it wasnt rape like you and he imply.
2. she likely killed herself due to the harm their relationship did to him not because of the relationship itself.
3. this jail time isnt for rape or even statutory rape, its for being kicked out of a treatment program, despite the fact he joined another one and completed treatment and on top of that is considered low risk (not a threat to anybody)
ah the joys of the internet, people jump to conclusions and want a guys guts on a stick(well in this case 2 guys, the judge and the creepy old man who had sex with this girl years ago...)
again, I dont agree with what he did, it wasnt ok, but he has been punished, he will be punished the rest of his life, he didnt force her to have sex with him, he didnt kill her.
He did something really fucking creepy and stupid....but it was not rape no matter what the law may say(actually, if you read the charge, it wasnt even a rape charge...rapes not part of the charge wording at all....)
nope, he networks with 2 of the business networking groups our business is part of, he also does anger management, drug/alchohol and other types of counselling/treatment, nice guy really.
part of why he and his partners started the SO treatment was because there was a need for an honest program in the area, most if not all of the others are not about getting people treated but about making 60-85usd a person on "group treatment" that amounts to packet work(that he showed some of us) and sitting around talking 1-3 times a week(at 60-85bucks a time.
do the math
say they do 6 groups a day, 5 days a week, averaging 15 people a group, 2 times a week at 85bucks a head.
thats alot of money, and a good reason to never NEVER let anybody even those who your test say are perfectly normal off without years of "treatment"
and Tim nice attack, I get you dont like or agree with my opinion on this topic...
but I dont agree with your faux news esque blerb on the topic either....it seems you wrote it to fit your very angery view point, intentionally leaving out very important details....like the fact he had completed a treatment program and the sentance wasnt for the "rape" it was for having gotten kicked out of one program for what the judge considered minor violations....or the fact he finished treatment at another location and was/is considered low risk.
I get that you would love nothing more then to see this guys guts on a stick as hes burned at the stake....
but the fact is, most of the world wouldnt call this rape, and your posting about it is VERY misleading, I mean....damn dude when did you get the job working for faux news/msnbs?
back at you, you know what changed my stand on some of this, reading some stories and cases about it, then meeting some of the people involved in cases like this, not just like this mind but , cases where the guy was "too old" and girl "too young"
I took the stand many here still do, till the girls we heard from talked very passionately about how they where not victims and where not abused, hell, to a one the ones we saw said they had been the aggressor and 2 of them had later married the person.
I do agree this case differs, and I feel the guy needed punished....if for no other reason then his role and job.
and I dont go to the "its a-ok" stand either, I just think we need another term and better laws to deal with cases like this.....
and i saw that, infact on gender discussions (facebook group you should join) I posted that and some other very interesting things similar.
the talk over the link you posted was pretty long,some people even removed posts they made because they commented without fully reading the situation....and without understanding, even if hes removed from the SO reg, hes still a marked man.....all because a mother and daughter where fighting....and because the law has zero flexibility in it, even for a matter of months.
I would like to think I would, but, Im an "odd duck" in many circles I tend to be more logical then emotional about such things.
rather then flip the fuck out, I would have talked to her, and, unlike this mother I think I would have noticed something was wrong before she offed herself.
I also will never shame my kids regarding their sexual choices, I have seen what that does to a person, and how growing up in a home where sex wasnt anything dirty or to hide...well, Im less worried about any child I have hitting puberty and having sex then I am about making sure they know how to use protection and avoid std's and pregnancy.
sex is a natural part of life, yeah what this guy did was creepy, but then again, we dont know if he or she where the aggressor.....I would take for how the case went down, that it was likely she had alot more culpability then most guys here would like to accept....otherwise.....i think books would have been thrown.
thanks for your comments, as I am sure you have noticed, I am the one taking most of the abuse here, I know more then one woman who has similar stories to yours, in some cases they got what they wanted.....but nobody got hurt....
Im glad you let them know your story, since so many here feel teens are all airheaded nitwits who cant make any choices or learn from their mistakes....
actually, by law in states with statutory rape laws, even if she drugged him, tied him up and jumped his bones, it would be his fault and he would get charged, the law is very clear on this, theres no excuse, one fellow I met got jummped by a 14yo girl when he was passed out drunk in his bedroom(his sisters basement), it was his neices friend who did it.
she admitted he was out cold, that she took his pants off and such, but hes still a sex offender...note: i saw tape of her testimony and she made it very clear she jummped him and he had no idea till the cops showed up after she blabbed to another friend....
again IT DOSNT MATTER HOW IT HAPPENS THE MAN IS GUILTY!!!
I do agree with what your saying but thats not how our system in this country works...
and be prepared your going to be called a rape appologist, pedophile and so on and so forth for not saying the guy needs burned at the stake or life in prison or similar.
yeah i cant find any info if she initiated or he did, all i can find is, it seems it was concentual despite the law saying it couldnt be.
and a strong feeling from all i have read on other sites is that the reason the judge cut him a break was that she didnt want him prosecuted/persecuted.
no info about what was going on before she offed herself....no clue if it was really related or if it was how it was related.
im not a rape apologist or pedo/sicko, I just have issue with consensual sex being called rape even if thats how the law sees it.
(some states the law states at 17years 11months 28 days a girls cant consent but a few days later... magically shes mature enough to consent....
even if he had the power to ban me, I would still speak my mind....
I have had ethugs threaten me and one even came out to fight me once years ago.....when he saw me, he about shit himself(i was about 3x his size and im built like a viking....but not a techno viking.....:P )
we are all allowed to state our opinions, just because i dont agree this was rape dosnt mean i feel it was right, and dosnt mean im a perv or pedo....no matter what they say to try and discredit me.
notice none of us are calling them sick perverts, despite the fact that I think their fixation on your girls sex lives is a bit....creepy....