As Predicted: Parler Is Banning Users It Doesn't Like

from the that-did-not-take-long-at-all dept

Well, that did not take long at all. On Friday we predicted that just like every other social media platform out there, the new favorite among people who falsely say that Twitter is censoring conservatives, would start taking down content and shutting down accounts just like everyone else. Because, if you run any sort of platform that allows 3rd party speech, sooner or later you discover you have to do that. In Friday's post, we highlighted Parler's terms of service, which certainly allows for it to take down any content for any reason (we also mocked their "quick read on Wikipedia" style understanding of the 1st Amendment).

What we did not expect was that Parler would prove us right so damn quickly. Over the weekend, Parler was apparently busy taking down accounts.

And he was not the only one.

There's a lot more as well. Parler seems to be banning a bunch of people. And it has the right to do so. Which is great. But what's not great is the site continues to pretend that it's some "free speech alternative" to Twitter when it's facing the same exact content moderation issues. And, yes, some people are claiming that Parler's quick trigger finger is mostly about shutting down "left" leaning accounts, but as with Twitter's content moderation, I won't say that for sure unless I see some actual evidence to support it.

What I will say is that when politicians like Ted Cruz say he's joining Parler because it doesn't have "censorship," he's wrong. Same with basically every other foolish person screaming about how Parler is about "free speech." It's got the same damn content moderation questions every platform has. And it's pretty silly for Parler's CEO to refer to Twitter as a "techno-fascist" company for its content moderation policies, when his company appears to be doing basically the same thing. Amusingly, the CEO is also claiming that "If you can say it on the street of New York, you can say it on Parler. Except that later in that same article, he admits: "You can’t spam people’s comment sections with unrelated content." Except, you kinda can do that on the "street of New York." (I recall there being more than one street in New York, but whatever). Anyway, this was always bogus, as you can see from the fact that so many accounts are being banned.

As I've said before: I think competition is good. And, personally, I'd prefer there to be many more competitors (though, I wish they were interoperable implementations of a protocol, rather than individual silos, but...). So, I have nothing against Parler existing. In fact, I think it's an excellent demonstration of why the concerns about "dominance" by Twitter or other platforms is silly. It's possible to create alternatives, and Parler has shown that it's able to attract a bunch of users. At least for now.

But what no one should do, is think that Parler is somehow any more "pro-free speech" than Twitter is, or that it doesn't pull down content and accounts. Because it does.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:30pm

    The part you're missing is that it's only censorship if it silences speech you like. When speech you don't like is censored that's just common sense, silly. What are you, some sort of commie mutant traitor?

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:34pm

    What are you, some sort of commie mutant traitor?

    Calm down, Senator Kelly.

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    Jason In TN, 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:43pm

    The point of free speech

    Enough hypocrisy to go around?

    Our Marxist friends who are more than happy to tout Twitter's ability to ban and shadow ban speech the left labels as "fascist" are now upset about Parler?

    The left has Facebook and Twitter running plenty of interference. In a competitive market, leftists who state "all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks" are essentially stating their purpose was to dilute the platform - not participate. There is a good faith element here, and I saw multiple Parler accounts which were only established to toss out hatred for those who think differently than them.

    The point of free speech is that you can speak, and the Marxists have basically the entire public square. That their open wish is to deny conservatives or moderates such as myself a place to openly discuss our positions is no surprise.

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    Koby (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:46pm

    Reasons

    What I'm more Interested in is -- why were they banned? If they broke some sort of clearly established rules, then that's awesome that they got banned. But if they were banned for simply for disagreeing with others, then that seems unfair. Discussing the reasons why is what separates a free speech platform from a biased platform.

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:47pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    The point of free speech is that you can speak, and the Marxists have basically the entire public square. That their open wish is to deny conservatives or moderates such as myself a place to openly discuss our positions is no surprise.

    Please provide an example of your position that you can't discuss on Facebook and Twitter.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:50pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    Our Marxist friends who are more than happy to tout Twitter's ability to ban and shadow ban speech the left labels as "fascist" are now upset about Parler?

    No one's upset about Parler banning people. Everyone finds it hilarious, because it shows how bullshit their claims were.

    There is a good faith element here

    Oh, so you're admitting that it's okay to ban bad faith actors from any platform? Good to know.

    and the Marxists have basically the entire public square

    What the fuck are you on about? I don't know of any "marxists" and certainly none that control "the entire public square" (or even part of it).

    That their open wish is to deny conservatives or moderates such as myself a place to openly discuss our positions is no surprise.

    "Open wish"? Can you point to where these so-called Marxists have said that they want to deny "moderates" a place to "openly discuss" positions? Because it's never happened.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:51pm

    'Well I say free speech, but I really mean MY speech...'

    Since it's been pretty clear that those complaining about the 'terrible persecution of free speech' are primarily if not exclusively talking about speech they care about and/or agree with it is in fact possible to have the platform kicking people off left and right and still claim that unlike those other platforms Parler really does care about free speech, because look, by and large the assholes who got the boot from the other platforms are still allowed on Parler.

    So long as Parler is primarily giving the boot to those that the assholes don't like you can bet that they will continue to get a pass from the same people who were decrying the tyranny of other social media, because unlike the noble 'conservatives' that social media crushes under it's boots those others had it coming.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:53pm

    Protocol vs Silo

    (though, I wish they were interoperable implementations of a protocol, rather than individual silos, but...)

    If there were many interoperable "speech services" that shared their content with one another the result would be what's left after each of them banned all the speech they disliked leaving us with nothing but photos of kittens. None of them are going to carry content they dislike (and let users decide what they want to read) so this is a no-go.

    If instead these services offered their content to separate clients ala Usenet or RSS then nothing has changed. The only difference between that and what we have right now is that we use a different client for each service.

    This is a drum not worth banging.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:56pm

    Re: Reasons

    If only that question was answered in the gorram article...

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 12:57pm

    Re: Reasons

    We can all agree on that regardless of political affiliation there will always be asshats. I don't doubt some people joined Parler with the clear intent of being asshats, but if it turns out that they banned or moderated people just because they expressed views that can be considered on the left of the political spectrum it tells us that Parler are hypocrites and biased against non-conservatives.

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    Pixelation, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:01pm

    And so it begins

    Parler will ban accounts...until there is nothing Left.

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    Christenson, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:06pm

    Re: Reasons

    I don't think discussing reasons matters.
    First, even parler has bias, and I'd not expect a word of explanation from them (or techdirt) if I was posting spam. I like the techdirt comment moderation quite a bit, framing it as a popularity contest of sorts amongst its (biased) audience.
    Second, if you don't want to drown in junk, choices have to be made. See 4chan followed by 8chan as example. What are YOU gonna read? Cat photos? Hydrangea reproduction?

    Actual free speech looks like a community of trust around a topic or topics of interest. Presumably there are rules for bringing up new topics and ways to select the readers.

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    Wendy Cockcroft (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:06pm

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Now, now, Mike, everyone knows that anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Trump Almighty is a commie pinko Marxist traitor to America.

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    Koby (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:06pm

    Re: Reasons

    Update: Being curious about the reasons why people might get banned, I can see that Parler has rules posted in its Community Guidelines section that they disallow impersonation accounts. With Parler being a new app, there is currently that "Land Grab" phase where a whole lot of account names are not yet taken. It appears that a number of folks have been attempting to register themselves as public officials, or websites for which they dislike. As an example, the Thor Benson guy cited above attempted to register himself as the official account for The Federalist. Others attempted to register as Donald Trump.

    So yeah, probably joining a community and immediately breaking the rules isn't such a great idea. Pretty clear violations.

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    Thiccboi, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:09pm

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Obviously they don't openly say it, but using terms like"hate" you can basically ban everyone you don't like. Ironically today this just happened with Trump's major subreddit and twitch channel.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:10pm

    Users Parler doesn't like (list is non-exhaustive):

    "the gays"
    "foreigners"
    "black people"
    "anyone even vaguely jewish"
    "europeans if they criticize trump"

    basically Parler is a right-wing echo chamber, that (give previous history of these type of places) will shortly lose it's hosting and DNS systems like Stormfront etc and be effectively wiped off the map.

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    christenson, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:13pm

    Re: Protocol vs Silo

    Techdirt itself is an example where speech it doesn't like (primarily idiots) gets carried anyway and as a user I decide if I am curious enough to read the flagged content.

    As to usenet, well, the problem was that netnews protocol really didn't allow for moderation which was desperately needed. Protocols view lets me choose my moderator or federation of moderators.

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    Chris ODonnell (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:16pm

    So Parler's business plan is to attract the people too toxic for Twitter? What could possibly go wrong?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:18pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Left leaning reddits such as chaotraphouse were also removed.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:23pm

    If they broke some sort of clearly established rules, then that's awesome that they got banned.

    Surely, then, you have no issue with Twitter banning anyone who self-identifies as a conservative if that person uses language that breaks clearly established rules.

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    radix (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:28pm

    "You can’t spam people’s comment sections with unrelated content." Except, you kinda can do that on the "street of New York."

    That street is named Madison Avenue, in fact, and it's not just allowed, it's encouraged.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:31pm

    If there were many interoperable "speech services" that shared their content with one another the result would be what's left after each of them banned all the speech they disliked leaving us with nothing but photos of kittens.

    You would be wrong about that. I know because I’m on a Mastodon instance.

    Every Mastodon instance has the option of federating with other instances. The admins of every instance worth a damn takes the time to defederate from instances with what they think is “problematic” content (e.g., Gab instances). The “problematic” instances aren’t deleted from the Internet when this happens; you can still join Gab, after all. All that happens is people on the instances that defederated Gab don’t see Gab’s content on their timelines (unless they manually follow an account from that instance).

    End users also have similar controls: They can choose to hide all content from a given domain (i.e., instance) when viewing the profile of someone on that domain. Someone on an instance with lax federation policies can make good use of that option if they feel the need.

    Mastodon is not without its issues (e.g., the main fork still doesn’t have options for preventing boosts and replies). But let’s not act like its federation and domain block options are tantamount to censorship. Even if people choose not to listen, you still have the right to speak.

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    ECA (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:33pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    one man says...

    WE all must believe and say the same to be equal.

    Another man says.

    God, How boring to talk to myself all day long.

    Anyone want to go back to the demonstrations of the 60's?? re-evaluate them and NOT Scream HIPPY's Shoot them..

    What are the rights of a Muslim walking into a Jewish/christian/ANY religious building and preaching his OWN?? And the reverse? Lets go back 30-40 years..Even 10 years ago.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:47pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    All of reddit is left leaning. They couldn't handle one pro-Trump sub that was pretty significant in getting him elected, which is the real reason everything is being removed.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:57pm

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Facebook constantly censors content, having blocked PragerU and divergent views on COVID-19. And Reddit removes posts that criticize "Black Lives Matter." That's just the tip of the iceberg.

    Time was when "progressives" were staunch free speech advocates. Now you are censors.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 1:59pm

    I looked into Parler and was going to join, until they demanded my mobile phone number, access to my contacts, and legal indemnification. No way.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:00pm

    All of reddit is left leaning.

    [citation needed]

    They couldn't handle one pro-Trump sub that was pretty significant in getting him elected, which is the real reason everything is being removed.

    Then explain why the subreddit for Chapo Trap House, a left-leaning podcast, was banned — y’know, for reasons other than supporting violence against elected officials and doxxing people (among other such things). And I’ll remind you that users of T_D made similar posts during that subreddit’s lifetime, which explains why the subreddit was quarantined well before its deletion.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:01pm

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Also, Facebook immediately deletes any link to the Unz Review. Doesn't matter what the link discusses. Lefties cannot handle divergence.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Facebook constantly censors content, having blocked PragerU and divergent views on COVID-19.

    Interestingly, because people on the left say that Zuck is biased towards conservatives. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3kj3n3/facebook-apparently-thinks-left-wing-bias-is-as-bad-a-prob lem-as-hate-speech

    > Time was when "progressives" were staunch free speech advocates. Now you are censors.

    So you're saying a shop that says "No Shoes, No Shirt, No Mask, No Service" is a censor, because you're describing private actors and not the US government.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:04pm

    Facebook constantly censors content

    Is Facebook stopping people from posting conspiracy theories about COVID-19 on Twitter or Mastodon or anywhere else? If not, it ain’t censorship. Facebook has an absolute right to moderate speech — and that includes speech such as, oh I’unno, conspiracy theories about COVID-19 that could lead to further erosion of public health.

    You’re free to say whatever you want. But you can’t make others listen. And you sure as shit can’t (and shouldn’t be able to) make others host your speech. Don’t like it? Start your own Gab or Voat or Parler or 8chan.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:05pm

    I guess free speech costs too much for you, then.

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    Chris, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:06pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Facebook also blocks BOFA. Absolutely shameful.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:07pm

    I hear it has a real problem with LIGMA, too.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:09pm

    Re:

    Because they needed to have one leftwing example to say 'see guys, totally no bias here'. Meanwhile, there are numerous left leaning subs that breaks the rules daily with no repercussions. This is just to trick the low IQ people and it looks like it worked

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:12pm

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    Disregarding the fact they're using the fucking WHO guidelines - an organization that was lead by a communist terrorist until recently, both FB, Twitter and others have made coordinated deplatforming in several instances. Also, they actually can't moderate their content with political bias and enjoy their special protections under the decency communications act. Sigh, i remember the left was staunch free speech proponents. Now it's corporate bootlicker like you

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:12pm

    Re: Re:

    Meanwhile, there are numerous left leaning subs that breaks the rules daily with no repercussions.

    Name 5 of them.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:14pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    a 2 year old article from Vice, a regressive left propaganda site that has been caught peddling fake news on multiple occasions? Seems legit

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:15pm

    hey needed to have one leftwing example to say 'see guys, totally no bias here'

    [citation needed, especially since hundreds of subreddits were banned]

    there are numerous left leaning subs that breaks the rules daily with no repercussions

    Report them, then.

    This is just to trick the low IQ people and it looks like it worked

    Not…really? I mean, T_D was basically a dead subreddit by the time of its ban, from what I hear on Reddit. And nobody with any sense should think the deletion of that subreddit will magically make Reddit a happy fun place made of sunshine and flowers and puppy breath. Also, most everyone agrees that the ban for T_D came far too late, so…yeah…

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:15pm

    Re: Re:

    That you think WHO is "lead by a communist terrorist" shows much about how seriously we should take you.

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    Billy B. Penafor, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:16pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    First of all, nothing had been posted to the_donald in months. Everyone had already migrated to their .win site. Shutting the sub down today had zero effect.

    Also, the_donald was NOT "pretty significant" in getting Trump elected. It was a shitposting circlejerk, like 99.9% of Reddit. It's hilarious to suggest something so self-important (and completely non-verifiable).

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:16pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    says a guy who thinks the leader of the WHO is a "communist terrorist". You're a whackjob.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:18pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    r/politics, any antifascist subreddit. If you're trying to deny this you're either woefully ignorant or lying. This has been well documented by the likes of Tim Poole in many videos. Do your own research

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:18pm

    they actually can't moderate their content with political bias and enjoy their special protections under the decency communications act

    Two things.

    1. It’s the “Communications Decency Act”, and with the sole exception of 47 U.S.C. § 230, the entire CDA was rendered unconstitutional.

    2. Interactive computer services can moderate according to political bias and retain 230 protections; show us exactly where the law says otherwise.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:19pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    If Marxists* had the entire public square, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all and this nation would be an entirely different place.

    *All 2 or 3 thousand of them. But i take it that anyone not agreeing with your shit is "Marxist", since labeling "outsiders" is so popular.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:20pm

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    They have been reported and nothing gets done. Are you actually denying reddit does not ban right leaning subs far more than left despite no worse violations? Holy fuck

    As for your last line - yea, no. Get out of your twitter bubble and you'll see you're actually in the minority. Most people are not regressive leftists

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:22pm

    Re: Reasons

    This is the question you can't honestly ask or answer about the major platforms. And yet ...

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:22pm

    Re: Re:

    Also, they actually can't moderate their content with political bias and enjoy their special protections under the decency communications act.

    Hello! You've Been Referred Here Because You're Wrong About Section 230 Of The Communications Decency Act.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:23pm

    Re: Protocol vs Silo

    You obviously don't know what "interoperable imementations of a protocol" means.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:25pm

    They have been reported and nothing gets done.

    Sort of like how nothing was done against T_D until Reddit couldn’t ignore the PR nightmare?

    Are you actually denying reddit does not ban right leaning subs far more than left despite no worse violations?

    Until I see evidence that Reddit punishes self-identified conservative users/subreddits more often than their liberal counterparts for doing TOS-violating acts in equal measure? Yes, I am.

    Get out of your twitter bubble and you'll see you're actually in the minority.

    I’d rather be in the minority if it means I’m not a flagrant bigot.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:25pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "Tim Poole"? Do you mean this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pool

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:26pm

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    Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.

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    Pixelation, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:26pm

    Seems fishy

    I keep wondering if Parler has been set up with help from one of the 3 letter agencies.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:26pm

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    Some on the right sure seem to like the right kind of Jews. It's a toss-up with any given individual. And that "like" might be temporary.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:27pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Ok sure, facts makes you a wackjob? You're just plain ignorant. He was a member of an oppressive regime for a party which is on the etheopian terrorist list

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:28pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Yes. Good job, you can type a name in Google!

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    Bloof (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:29pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    'The people banned were clearly not acting in good faith, unlike those poor, persecuted conservative voices banned from more popular platforms for hatespeech, harassment and active violations of the rules they agreed to when they signed up.'

    Hilarious.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:29pm

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    Oh the 'i can't win on facts so i'll put my head in the sand and throw labels like bigots around' Sorry pal, that's called an ad hominem and the only thing that does is display your lacking intellectual capacity and the weakness of your position

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:31pm

    Re: Re:

    Get out of your twitter bubble and you'll see you're actually in the minority. Most people are not regressive leftists

    Not really.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:32pm

    Re: Seems fishy

    Possible I suppose, but I imagine there are easier ways to get that sort of information that doesn't involve a dumpster fire or alerting potential targets.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:33pm

    Re: Re: Re:

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:33pm

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    Donald Trump makes terroristic threats on twitter all the time. And?

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    Michael, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    /r/politics is definitely left-leaning, but the mods are right-wing and you have zero examples of anyone on that sub "breaking the rules daily with no repercussions.

    "Do your own research" is what people with dumb arguments they can't support say.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:34pm

    "Parler Is Banning Users It Doesn't Like"

    Sounds just like our law and order national justice system!

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:35pm

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:38pm

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    I was responding to the "Most People are not regressive leftists" part. But since you're too dumb to read…

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:38pm

    Your making extraordinary claims without presenting extraordinary evidence and deflecting from that lack of evidence with a bunch of namecalling does more to expose a lack of intelligence than anything I posted.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:39pm

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    Mods are right wing? LMAO

    https://banks.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1573

    Lots of links in that one. Oh and what truly dumb people do is to demand sources for well documented facts only so they can dismiss those sources using ad hominem in order to derail the discussion. That's the problem when you're on the side that's against reality. We have numerous Project Veritas videos documenting the extreme leftwing bias in social media

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:40pm

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    Except your link did not disprove my statement. I'm sorry you suffer from delusions of adequacy and resort to fallacies when faced with the truth but them's the breaks i guess

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:40pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    I don’t think there’s any serious debate on COVID-19 beyond when, where, and how to reopen. Any “divergent views” outside of that are almost certainly wild conspiracy theories, made out of ignorance, quack science, or wishful thinking.

    I also don’t think Facebook “blocks” users; it bans them.

    As for “free speech”, there’s a difference between supporting FA free speech and free speech on privately-owned public platforms. It’s also not censoring to kick you off my lawn when you’re saying something I don’t like.

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    stu, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:41pm

    F U, bunch of whiney left wing twats. You will soon be silenced by something with a bit more volume and velocity.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:41pm

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    I'm sorry you suffer from delusions of adequacy and resort to fallacies when faced with the truth but them's the breaks i guess

    Sounds more like you, who can't back up what they say.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:42pm

    Re:

    We have very well documented evidence through Project Veritas, among others, and summarized by Tim Pool

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:42pm

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    You named one without being very specific. That’s not 5. You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:43pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Decent people don't like antisemitism, holocaust denial and white supremacy - which Unz Review and Ron Unz stands for. All those topics are against Facebook's TOS, so why would they allow links to such material on their platform?

    It's not about divergent viewpoints, it's about assholes thinking they are entitled to use others platform to spread their message of hate - and they have a complete meltdown when they discover that they don't.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:43pm

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    LOL at you thinking Project Veritas tells the truth and doesn't doctor their own videos.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:43pm

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    Pot, meet kettle.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:44pm

    Project Veritas

    I’m happy to see you acknowledge your ignorance. Your further contributions will be read accordingly.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:44pm

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    But i did. My link backs my statement where as your link did not back yours. Also, you've moved down to kindergarten insults now? Yup, truly one of those well educated and intelligent leftists you so like to claim is common

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:44pm

    Project Veritas

    That you consider them credible says all we need to know about your own credibility.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:45pm

    you've moved down to kindergarten insults now?

    Seems appropriate enough, you sweet summer child.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:46pm

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    Project Veritas are a bunch of liars. You're too blinded by your own ideology to see that. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwin g-group-beloved-by-trump

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:46pm

    Mike, you should probably report this person to the FBI for making violent threats.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:47pm

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    And there is the ad hominem against the sources, as predicted. We're talking about undercover videos of people working at these companies stating how they're actively suppressing right wing articles, people etc. What do you want? A Washington Post article stating it? Don't you just love circular logic?

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:47pm

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    Did you actually read that article, or were you hoping that others wouldn't, because it does not say what you think it does. To the extent that Twitter users differ from the population in general politically it's in the single digit range, and even then more people identify democrat than republican, so what were you saying about people being in the minority?

    Of course, many political independents actually lean toward one of the two major parties. Of the Americans who lean toward either party, 52% of U.S. adults identify as Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 60% of U.S. adult Twitter users say the same. Similarly, 43% of U.S. adults identify as or lean Republican, compared with 35% of adult Twitter users.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:48pm

    Re: Re:

    "Sorry pal, that's called an ad hominem..."

    He says, and then proceeds with

    "...and the only thing that does is display your lacking intellectual capacity..."

    A grammatically atrocious ad hominem attack. Nice job. Better go take Introduction to Logic 101 again.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:49pm

    Re:

    Why does that matter? Did they use deepfakes to produce those clips? Because if not, you have no argument and you're sticking your head in the sand. This is the classic regressive left tactic - demand sources - reject sources based on your own bias - claim there is no evidence. It's textbook circular logic and the sign of the intellectually weak. Judge evidence based on it's own, not on the source. That's what intelligent people do

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:49pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwin g-group-beloved-by-trump

    It's not their ideology, it's that they lie and defame people. It's like me citing Michael Moore.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:50pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    divergent views on COVID-19.

    Translation: Pseudo/antiscientific bullshit

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:50pm

    Re: Re:

    Anyone who thinks Project Veritas is a source of factual information has deluded themselves. They have been caught several times with outright lies or conveniently edited videos that leaves out important contexts.

    If you have to lie to make your argument - you don't have an argument to begin with.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:50pm

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    Since we're rejecting sources, The Guardian is the very definition of an unreliable source. It's like linking Breitbart. Judge the clips on their own merit, not on the who is presenting them. That's what intelligent people do

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    Toom1275 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:52pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    Plaintiff provides no facts in his Complaont to support these contentions.

    As with every other projecting reich-wing troll before him.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:52pm

    Re: Re: Re:

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:53pm

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    Already refuted above. My advice, stop reading fake news sites

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:53pm

    Judge the clips on their own merit, not on the who is presenting them.

    When the people presenting those clips have a documented habit of editing the clips to mislead viewers, we will judge both. Deal with it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:54pm

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    Awwww he thinks 2010 chan language is still cool. I'm glad you've admitted defeat. You should try being on the side that reality supports. That way you wont lose constantly

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:55pm

    Do the[y] now?

    Yes.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:56pm

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    Stop blindly believing Project Veritas.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:56pm

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    Oh so like any MSM? Do you hold other sources to the standard? Because if you do, you should stop reading Washington Post, New York Times, The Guardian or watch CNN, MSNBC etc. I'm guessing you don't. Also, unless they used deepfakes to create those videos, judge the clip on their own merit. You're using ad hominem in order to avoid the core of the argument because you know you will lose

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:58pm

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    Except mine was not an ad hominem since i did not use it in place of an actual argument but rather as the logical conclusion to his tactics. Also, English is not my first language. I'm sorry the Grammar is so poor you can't think of a proper point

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 2:59pm

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    The courts certainly disagree. It's almost like you're wrong and you're refusing to actually look at the evidence because it might burst your bubble

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:00pm

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    Stop dismissing video evidence because you don't like who is presenting it

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:00pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    There's also "out of context". Let me demonstrate:

    "Do you…read…The Guardian or watch CNN, MSNBC etc.?…judge [them] on their own merit[.]"

    That's what it sounds like as your acceptable level of Journalism, because that's what Project Veritas does.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:01pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Also, English is not my first language.

    So you admit you're a Russian bot. :-P

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:02pm

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    If they didn't defame people, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:02pm

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    But you're not. You're simply dismissing them. Tell me, what kind of evidence would suffice?

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:03pm

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    I can't find anything about regressive leftist in the link you provided, so I'm afraid it doesn't back your statement up at all.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:04pm

    mine was not an ad hominem since i did not use it in place of an actual argument but rather as the logical conclusion to his tactics

    And we’re doing the same to you, so hi kettle, I’m pot.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:04pm

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    Shit man, you have the worst sources. You're only linking extreme leftwing sites. Do you have ANY non-biased, reputable sources for anything at all?

    Also, i'm talking about video clips with full sentences such as 'we have to do everything we can to prevent Trump being reelected'. How can that be taken out of context?

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:05pm

    Lying is not necessarily defamation. Even you should know that by now.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:07pm

    Shit man, you have the worst sources.

    I don’t see you refuting the evidence in those sources, all of which have more credibility than Project “we’re gonna have someone literally defame Roy Moore so we can sting a newspaper” Veritas.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:07pm

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    They didn't though according to the courts. Perhaps you should stop taking some activists' word over the legal system? Also, i'm talking about video clips with full sentences so bad that no context could justify it. The evidence is right there, you simply refuse to acknowledge it because deep down, you're perfectly fine with tech-fascism. Just understand that eventually you will be on the receiving end and there will be no one left to who wants to help you

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:09pm

    Re:

    I'm afraid impotent screaming isn't loud or fast enough. Although, it does show us who is having a meltdown since the dichotomy in your statement is very enlightening.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:09pm

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    But why am i held to a higher standard than you? Surely, if you can dismiss video evidence based on smear articles by regressive activists and in spite of courts disagreeing, then i can dismiss media that has been caught lying repeatedly? Why the double standards?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:10pm

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    No, you're not. It's pretty sad you can't see that. I suggest working hard on your logic skills if you truly think we're doing the same thing here

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:11pm

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    You're only linking extreme leftwing sites.

    The fact that you call Business Insider and The Daily Beast "extreme leftwing" shows that you're a fringe rightwinger.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:12pm

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    It throws a 'too many requests' error so i have no idea. Why don't you respond to how your smear articles were thrown out of court instead?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:12pm

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    Defamation is a legal term and the courts rejected the lawsuit. What's your point?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:15pm

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    Imagine being so far gone you think The daily beast is not an extreme left site. I think you're the first person i've met who made such an obviously false and ridiculous claim. Most leftist can acknowledge how biased that site is just as i can acknowledge that Breitbart is incredibly biased. You're a fanatic in the cult of regressiveness

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:16pm

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    No need to refute them. The courts already did and their opinion has far more gravitas than some activists on leftwing propaganda site. Also, notice how i predicted exactly how this would play out when i first brought up Veritas. It's like you people are following a script. No wonder you had your tech overlords ban the NPC meme. It hit much too close to home

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:19pm

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    Any convictions? No? Then what use is that? Just some journalists making unsubstantiated claims. The fact that the very same people have no issue fuelling racial tension by lying about police brutality towards black people, something that has literally gotten people killed, makes it all the more ridiculous

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:19pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    The point of free speech is that you can speak, and the Marxists have basically the entire public square. That their open wish is to deny conservatives or moderates such as myself a place to openly discuss our positions is no surprise.

    So you’re saying “conservatives” need a safe space to convince themselves they’re still popular?

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:20pm

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    James O'Keefe and friends plead guilty in Mary Landrieu office caper

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/project-veritas-moore-washington-post-261023

    Just because they won a defamation suit doesn't mean they weren't lying. It's just that malice wasn't proven.

    Apparently you can't read, but that was already established.

    James O'Keefe also defamed ACORN despite them doing nothing illegal according to all prosecutors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

    So you're attracted to liars if you agree with them? Apparently that's what you're telling me.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:21pm

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    ACORN no longer exists because of a fraudulent video James O'Keefe did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:21pm

    You're simply dismissing them.

    Project Veritas has a documented history of lying and editing videos in misleading ways. I dismiss them because they have lost any assumption of credibility.

    Tell me, what kind of evidence would suffice?

    To claim “anti-conservative bias” in social media as a fact, you must prove true the following statement:

    When conservatives and liberals break the same rule(s) in equal amounts, a service shows bias when it punishes conservatives in far greater numbers than it punishes liberals.

    I wish you the best of luck in proving that. You will need it.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:22pm

    The daily beast is not an extreme left site

    Wanna know how I know you’ve never met or interacted with an “extreme leftist” in your life?

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:23pm

    Project Veritas can lie without necessarily defaming someone. That it has lied and misled people — repeatedly — proves it has no credibility or integrity. Any “news” or “reports” from Project Veritas can be summarily dismissed.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:24pm

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    They were rejected because of an inability to prove malice, not that Veritas was telling the truth, you ignorant dipshit.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:25pm

    why am i held to a higher standard than you?

    You’re citing Project Veritas, that’s why. Stop citing liars as purveyors of truth and we’ll stop treating you as someone who prefers comfortable lies to uncomfortable truths.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:26pm

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    The Anonymous Coward with whom we're arguing probably thinks Joe Biden is an "extreme leftist".

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:27pm

    lying about police brutality towards black people

    The video of George Floyd didn’t lie, unless you think he deserved to die over using a fake $20 bill that he may not have even known was fake and therefore the lethal use of force was wholly justified.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:32pm

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    Forget it Stephen. The Anonymous Coward doesn't see black people as people.

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:41pm

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    I get my news and information from multiple places to get as a complete picture as possible, and those sites you mentioned isn't even among the top 10 I use.

    You on the other hand seem to think that Project Veritas can't do no wrong even though they have been caught again and again lying or maliciously editing videos since it's inception. So I use the word "deluded" for anyone who says they get their "truth" from Project Veritas, because that's the nicest word I can use for that kind of people.

    Just looking through O'Keefe's legal history should give even you a hint of what kind of dishonesty he is capable of.

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    restless94110 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:47pm

    Guidelines

    Yeah,
    I joined Parler and then read their Community Guidelines and went: Oy Vey. Why isn't there even one social media site that has NO Community Guidelines.. At least pretend there is Free Speech?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:47pm

    Re: Re:

    He probably thinks that anybody to the left of Attila the Hun is a communist.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:49pm

    Re: Re:

    both FB, Twitter and others have made coordinated deplatforming in several instances.

    And your point is?

    Alex Jones has been kicked off every major platform, but he still has his own platform from which to spew his crazy ideas, and nobody is stopping him from doing that. And anybody who wants to "follow" him can do so on his own site!

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    Khym Chanur (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 3:56pm

    Re: Re: Reasons

    They also banned the Devin Nunes' Cow person. I mean, that's technically a violation, since the he's obviously not really a cow, much less one belonging to Nunes, but that's kind of a petty reason to ban him/her.

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:00pm

    Re: Re:

    2010: Acorn and Juan Carlos Vera

    On the basis of the edited videotape which O'Keefe released, Vera appeared to be a willing participant in helping with O'Keefe's plan to smuggle young women into the United States illegally. However, authorities confirmed that Mr. Vera immediately contacted them about O'Keefe and that he had also encouraged O'Keefe to share as much information as possible about his scheme and gather further evidence of O'Keefe's purported illegal activities, which could then be used by prosecutors to bring charges against O'Keefe for attempted human trafficking. Due to O'Keefe's release of the dubiously edited video, intentionally designed to "prove" that ACORN employees were ready and willing to engage in illicit activities, Mr. Vera lost his job and was falsely portrayed as being engaged in human trafficking.

    On March 5, 2013, O'Keefe agreed to pay $100,000 to former California ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera for deliberately misrepresenting Mr. Vera's actions, and acknowledged in the settlement that at the time he published his video he was unaware that Vera had notified the police about the incident. The settlement contained the following apology: "O'Keefe regrets any pain suffered by Mr. Vera or his family."

    2010: Senator Mary Landrieu

    O'Keefe and colleagues were arrested in the Hale Boggs Federal Complex in New Orleans in January 2010 and charged with entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony, at the office of United States Senator Mary Landrieu, a Democrat.

    The charges in the case were reduced from a felony to a single misdemeanor count of entering a federal building under false pretenses. O'Keefe and the others pleaded guilty on May 26. O'Keefe was sentenced to three years' probation, 100 hours of community service and a $1,500 fine. The other three men received lesser sentences.

    2010 Abbie Boudreau

    O'Keefe planned a staged encounter with the CNN correspondent Abbie Boudreau, who was doing a documentary on the young conservative movement. He set up an appointment at his office in Maryland to discuss a video shoot. Izzy Santa, executive director of Project Veritas, warned Boudreau that O'Keefe was planning to "punk" her on the boat by trying to seduce her—which he would film on hidden cameras. Boudreau did not board the boat and soon left the area.

    CNN later published a 13-page plan written by O'Keefe mentor Ben Wetmore. It listed props for the boat scheme, including pornography, sexual aids, condoms, a blindfold and "fuzzy" handcuffs. When questioned by CNN, O'Keefe denied he was going to follow the Wetmore plan, as he found parts of it inappropriate.

    Following the Boudreau incident, Project Veritas paid Izzy Santa a five-figure settlement after she threatened to sue, which included a nondisclosure agreement. Funding decreased from conservative political organizations following this CNN incident.

    That's just a sample of Project Veritas and O'Keefe's actions during 2010, and they have kept coming.

    Perhaps you should look up the court records that relates to Project Veritas and O'Keefe, because trust me - they don't paint a very pretty picture.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:08pm

    Not what free speech means

    Why isn't there even one social media site that has NO Community Guidelines.. At least pretend there is Free Speech?

    Because anyone who was stupid enough to create a site like that would find out very quickly why those rules are in place, not to mention free speech is not and never has been short for consequence-free speech, there has always been consequences even if it's nothing more than social disapproval, such that the idea that free speech means a free-for-all is nothing but a phantom that has never existed.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:14pm

    Why isn't there even one social media site that has NO Community Guidelines[?]

    Because any such service would soon find itself spammed into irrelevance.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:31pm

    I thought I was getting free speech

    but all I got was this crummy social media app that banned me!

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:38pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Nice try at deflection and smugness. There's an Iron Law: "You can always tell a 'progressive,' but you can never tell a 'progressive' a single thing. They already think they know everything."

    http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:40pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Ah yes, there's "no serious debate," because "progressives" define anything that they don't agree with as "not serious." Nice trick.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:42pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Got it. Anything "progressives" don't agree with is "pseudo/antiscientific bullshit." Neat trick there. LOL

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:43pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Thanks much, China! LOL

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:45pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Some stuff on Unz is contemptible, but it shouldn't be banned. The vast majority of their material is not. You "progressives" have become pathetic, fragile, and full of hatred.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:46pm

    Give us an example of a “divergent” view on COVID-19 that isn’t rooted in pseudoscience/anti-science ideology, then.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:46pm

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    Not that Rachel Maddow was caught lying through her teeth about that fake-o Russian conspiracy. Oh, but wait! As long as a "progressive" lies, you are fine with it, because "any lie for the cause."

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:47pm

    Some stuff on Unz is contemptible, but it shouldn't be banned.

    You’re free to tell Facebook that. They’re free to ignore you. Facebook admins get to decide what is and isn’t acceptable on Facebook; if that includes sites you enjoy, well, tough titties.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:48pm

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    If you want to give up your privacy, go for it. Not me.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:48pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Nice job on not answering any of my points.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:51pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Um, who here has mentioned Rachel Maddow? You were the first to mention her in a whataboutist way.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:52pm

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    I get it. You're a fragile "progressive" who cannot stand opposing views, and supports censorship. You'd be best off being careful what you wish for, because once censorship becomes accepted, that worm can turn very quickly.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:53pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Comparing it to a shop sign is dilatory and non-serious on your part, which is oh so typical of today's "progressives" who are demanding censorship of anything you don't like. Liberals used to be the strongest advocates of free speech, and now you are censors. That worm can turn.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 4:58pm

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    Okey doke, then. Speaking of science, how about a peer-reviewed, double-blind study of 1,600 health care workers in high-risk units in 14 hospitals, showing that the common cloth masks block only 3% of particles, and that surgical masks only block 44%?

    Sorry, "progressive," but your mandatory masks do NOTHING to stop the spread of the virus. You couldn't care less about science. This is entirely about your politics and your insatiable need to engage in self-righteous virtue signaling.

    Now, I'm sure you will dump on the study. Why? The Iron Law: "You can always tell a 'progressive,' but you can never tell a 'progressive' a single thing. They think they know everything."

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:00pm

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    Thanks much for your "progressive" arrogance and smugness. We expect no less from your kind.

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:04pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    So, please present us with examples of divergent views on COVID-19 that has been removed by Facebook.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:07pm

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    She's a documented liar -- even the far-left Washington Post nailed her for it. But you love your liars as long as you think the liar is on your side. LOL

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:10pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    She's a documented liar -- even the far-left Washington Post nailed her for it. But you love your liars as long as you think the liar is on your side. LOL

    A few things:

    1. Amazing that you think the Washington Post is "far left". As with the Anonymous Coward with whom we were arguing, you haven't met many far leftists in your life if you think that the Washington Post is "far left".
    2. As I said, nobody here mentioned–let alone praised–Rachel Maddow. Why bring her up if only to set up an argument made of straw men?

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:12pm

    "Masks don't work"

    But what about <looks at a websearch> this?
    Do you judge all identity groups as uniform monoliths the way you do progressives? That's pretty pathetic for an iron law.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:14pm

    You’ve played yourself if you think the censors only exist on the liberal “side”.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:15pm

    your mandatory masks do NOTHING to stop the spread of the virus

    Seems like they do 3% more to stop the spread than not wearing a mask.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:16pm

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    Of course, that's in hospital settings, not in quotidian outdoor settings.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:19pm

    You're a fragile "progressive" who cannot stand opposing views, and supports censorship.

    If I supported censorship, I’d call for whoever hosts Unz Review to obliterate the site from the Internet. I’m not.

    Facebook admins have every right to moderate what speech can and cannot appear on Facebook. You can disagree with those decisions; lots of people will at some point. But neither you nor the federal government can force Facebook to host speech its owners/operators don’t want to host. Deal with it.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:19pm

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    Yeah, right. They don't work in high-risk hospital settings, but they work in grocery stores. LOL. "Progressive" "logic" on display.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:21pm

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    Too diligent to actually read the study, I see. It found that cloth masks were worse than wearing nothing at all. Reading is fundamental, lazy "progressive." LOL

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    Rocky, 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:22pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Some stuff on Unz is contemptible, but it shouldn't be banned.

    Why? Facebook's platform, their rules. Is this difficult to grasp somehow?

    The vast majority of their material is not. You "progressives" have become pathetic, fragile, and full of hatred.

    So why is it that you are having a meltdown about how unfair it is that Facebook doesn't want to link to a site containing antisemitism and white supremacy propaganda? Do you think those viewpoints deserve equal treatment with other more main-steam topics?

    And who is it really that "have become pathetic, fragile, and full of hatred"? It's usually those who scream how oppressed they are because they aren't allowed to use someones private property to carry their message.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:22pm

    Re: Re:

    Extreme and distasteful content causes users to leave, and Facebook and Twitter do not want to become the next 8chan, so they remove content that would likely cause people to leave their service. Their moderation is driven by how to they keep the largest user base rather than politics.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:23pm

    Funny how for all your whining about censorship and your impassioned defenses of free speech, you weren’t willing to pay the price for the promise of a “free speech platform”.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:25pm

    Re: Re:

    Thanks much for your "progressive" arrogance and smugness. We expect no less from your kind.

    Says the guy being arrogant and smug!

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:26pm

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    Nice dodge. Your far-left newspapers and TV networks routinely lie through their teeth, and now the major social media platforms are censoring the right wing. And you are all for it, not stopping to think that once your wish comes true, that worm can turn overnight.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:28pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Facebook tossed a good friend of mine for a month for linking to a peer-reviewed, double-blind study with a control group showing the ineffectiveness of masks. Your kind loves censorship, even of carefully documented, scientific studies. It's pathetic.

    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    The study was done in 2015, way before the COVID-19 pandemic. Maybe you should read the update before you say–as you are wont to do–"ME SMART! PROGRESSIVES R DUM-DUMS!!!"

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:35pm

    Re: Re:

    That you think the Washington Post is "far-left" shows how far to the right you are.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:35pm

    Re: Re:

    'Less effective than alternatives' does not mean 'not effective at all', and as the study itself noted there was no 'no mask' control group to compare with. In addition as the writers of the study itself noted in a response to people asking if/how it applied to COVID 'Health workers are asking us if they should wear no mask at all if cloth masks are the only option. Our research does not condone health workers working unprotected.', which rather conflicts with the idea that masks don't do any good if you're going to point to them as a source.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:36pm

    Your far-left newspapers and TV networks routinely lie through their teeth

    Counterpoint: Fox News.

    the major social media platforms are censoring the right wing

    Counterpoint: Gab, Parler, Voat, and every website for conservative/right wing political news and opinions that have yet to be taken down on orders from “the major social media platforms”.

    you are all for it

    If Twitter, YouTube, etc. want to ban hateful speech from their platforms, and conservatives are more likely than liberals to be dinged under those service’s TOS agreements, the issue isn’t with the TOS agreements.

    once your wish comes true, that worm can turn overnight

    At which point I’ll be more than happy to find a service that will host my speech. (I left Tumblr without issue once the porn ban went into effect, after all.) Twitter, YouTube, etc. aren’t the alpha and omega of Internet services.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:37pm

    Facebook tossed a good friend of mine for a month for linking to a peer-reviewed, double-blind study with a control group showing the ineffectiveness of masks.

    So what? Facebook has that right.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:38pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Comparing it to a shop sign is dilatory and non-serious on your part

    Comparing getting kicked off of private property to going to jail for printing something the government doesn't like is "dilatory and unserious" if you ask me.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:42pm

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    It found that cloth masks were worse than wearing nothing at all.

    Speaking of not reading the study... no, it didn't, because there was no no-mask control group, something you would have known had you bothered to even read the abstract.

    Intervention Hospital wards were randomised to: medical masks, cloth masks or a control group (usual practice, which included mask wearing). Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:46pm

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    It not only has that right it was right to do so because that 'study' does not say what they think it does, and as such it could have resulted in people making dangerously stupid/ill-informed decisions that could get them and/or those around them infected or killed.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:55pm

    Not gonna lie, when I saw this thread had over 170 comments I thought it was Hamilton shitting things up. What I wasn't expecting was the usual anti-vaxx brigade of Koby and restless, topped up with a fucknugget who was dumb enough to sign up for a recognizable username and rant about a Twitter-competitor service that even he can't be fucked to use because user verification.

    You gotta hand it to conservatives. Even when presented with a silver platter that has someone to suck their cock for them, conservatives still manage to fuck it up.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 5:59pm

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    That you don't think they're far left shows that you're an out and out communist. LOL

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:00pm

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    Thanks for proving the Iron Law: "You can always tell a 'progressive' but you can never tell a 'progressive' a single thing. They think they know everything." LOL

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:01pm

    The Washington Post is far-left like Donald Trump is a centrist — which is to say, it isn’t.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:04pm

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    Jeez Louise, can you say anything than your idiotic "law" which is basically you saying "ME SMART! PROGRESSIVE R DUM DUM!"?

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:05pm

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    Actually, yes there was a control arm. Apparently, as a "progressive," your ADD gets in the way. Oh ye of a limited attention span. No wonder you don't actually know anything. LOL

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:07pm

    …as opposed to conservatives, who — if you take Donald Trump as the ur-example — are proud to say they know nothing.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:09pm

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    …as opposed to conservatives, who…are proud to say they know nothing.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't apply to the Socratic sense.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:09pm

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    Apparently you are a typical "progressive" who is too scattered and too lazy to have read the update this spring. Please tell us that you don't have an occupation where anyone ever has to depend on you. LOL

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:10pm

    yes there was a control arm

    Did the control arm go maskless?

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:12pm

    Socrates, Paradees, it’s all Greek to me.

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    ryuugami, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:19pm

    Re: Re: Reasons

    Hey, Koby! You know those few conservatives banned from Twitter, Facebook, etc? They broke rules.

    So yeah, probably joining a community and immediately breaking the rules isn't such a great idea. Pretty clear violations.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:28pm

    I dunno, I like Parler. I feel calm and peaceful when I see hundreds of articles with thousands of comments from people who have a worldview similar to mine. Yeah, there's a few troublemakers, they're pretty obvious. What I don't see is the kind of "piling on" that sites like this do. Conservatives are individuals, not sheep, like leftists. That's both good and bad. Sheep all go blindly together, and conservatives want to figure things out on their own. That means they organize a little more slowly. On the other hand, conservatives will pick up a gun and run towards danger, once they see a genuine threat to their liberties, while the sheepie lefties will run home to mommy and hide under the covers. So, it's kind of a mixed bag. Delayed, but overwhelming response, just like the next election. Just wait and see.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:36pm

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    I don't think so. The large majority of conservatives are quiet, with an innate sense of fairness and good faith, that's why they're called the "silent majority".

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:38pm

    What I don't see is the kind of "piling on" that sites like this do.

    Yeah, I can’t imagine why a circlejerk doesn’t have any pile-ons. 🙄

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:38pm

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    Yeah, you think it's funny, because you have no idea what funny is. Lefties have that part of their brain missing. Humor. And Honor. And Respect. They replace it with bullying, avoidance, and banding together into mobs. Everyone else finds it disgusting.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:39pm

    Re: Re: Seems fishy

    Why do lefties like "dumpster fires" so much? They talk about them all the time. Is that where they meet to discuss their plans to take over the world?

    Just listen to General Flynn. You 2% idiots are about to get crushed by the 98% of the rest of us.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:40pm

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    Yeah, report them to the FBI, that's a good idea. What a fucking idiot you are, Stone. Fake name, fake outrage, it's easy to be a leftie when you lie about who you are and what you think. Do you wear a mask and ski glasses, too? You're pathetic.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:41pm

    Re: Re:

    Wow, big words for a high school kid. Are you out of high school yet? I doubt it from your writing.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:42pm

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    So how come the "silent majority" isn't reflected in Trumpy's polling numbers and why he's trailing Biden by double digits in important swing states?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:42pm

    Re:

    Yeah, you're an authority, while you hide behind your fake name. You know it all. No one can tell you anything, because you see everything in such a high degree of detail and accuracy. You're an Oracle, a Seer.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:42pm

    Humor. And Honor. And Respect. They replace it with bullying, avoidance, and banding together into mobs.

    If you think none of that applies to conservatives in any way, you’ve fooled yourself.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:44pm

    Why do lefties like "dumpster fires" so much?

    They don’t. Why else do you think sites like Parler end up becoming shitpits for alt-right chuds like incels, Gamergaters, and White supremacists? (Whoops, tautology!)

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:44pm

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    What does that even mean, idiot boy? Parler is NOT dominated by fake assholes like you piling on with your fake friends PaulT and ThatOtherIdiot. It doesn't have "insiders" who plot and scheme about how to push a fake agenda with coordinated disinformation, like the Russians do. It has real red blooded Americans, like Mark Levin and Dan and soon Trump!

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:46pm

    Honey, you can flirt with me all you want, but I won’t let you fuck me unless you can afford my asking price.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:46pm

    Re:

    You have seen the future that we are all blind to, do you, oh oracle of Truth and Enlightenment.

    Not.

    You're just another phony pony leftie idiot, like the majority of other long time posters here.

    Phony as a 3 dollar bill.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:47pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Yeah, that's about what I expected from you at this point.

    Rather than address the actual point, you instead throw out the same rubbish 'law' about people too arrogant to learn anything. If you were projecting any harder you'd be causing glare on the ISS' windows.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:47pm

    Re:

    I've looked at Techdirt for many, many years. Show me an instance of a right wing mod on Techdirt piling on some poor leftie.

    You can't.

    It never happened.

    It can't happen. You will silence any view you disagree with because you are too afraid to confront anyone about anything. You can only hide with your fake friends under your moma's skirt.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:48pm

    The large majority of conservatives are quiet, with an innate sense of fairness and good faith, that's why they're called the "silent majority".

    I always thought that by “silent majority”, conservatives were referring to “White people who are too afraid to say and do racist shit even though they absolutely want to say and do racist shit”. I mean, it does sorta make sense that conservatives think all White people are as racist as the average conservative.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:48pm

    Re:

    "The worst thing to do to a man is give him exactly what he wants"

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:50pm

    Re:

    Yup, you're a certified leftie. A conservative would never mistake what you just said as either an argument or humor. It's in a third category that only lefties understand.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:51pm

    Re: Re:

    Do you have a script that fires on reply, or do you actually think is what passes for discourse?

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:51pm

    You will silence any view you disagree with

    No, we “silence” (read: hide) bad faith arguments, trolls, and spam. Dissent on its own doesn’t get flagged. Dissent rooted in strawmen, ad hominems, paper-thin arguments, and name calling so pathetic that even elementary school students would think it’s lame, on the other hand…

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:52pm

    Re: Re:

    Yeah, you're an authority, while you hide behind your fake name.

    Says an Anonymous Coward.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:52pm

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    Project much? The only racists that sound like what you describe were the KKK attending the Democratic Convention. Remember them? Proud of your Democratic history? Idiot. Republicans freed the slaves. Remember that.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:53pm

    Re:

    Unless they had a second control group not mentioned in the abstract no, no they did not, as the abstract makes explicitly clear that the control group wore masks.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:53pm

    A conservative would never mistake what you just said as either an argument or humor.

    A conservative would never recognize humor that isn’t rooted in attacking marginalized people.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:54pm

    I’m betting they have some sort of Lorem Ipsum script that uses whatever keyword he’s using this week to fill out a bunch of different replies.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:56pm

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    Time will tell, won't it. Elections are coming. Last time was a surprise. This time will be a VERY public statement about the Future of America.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:56pm

    You forget the history of the Southern Strategy, the Dixiecrats, and the ideological shift between the two parties in the wake of the Civil Rights Movement. The GOP that freed the slaves bears little resemblance to the GOP of today beyond the name.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:57pm

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    You are a fucking bold faced liar hiding behind a fake name, Mike. Just like your other leftie friends.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:58pm

    Re: Re:

    You will silence any view you disagree with because you are too afraid to confront anyone about anything.

    Hiding from view isn't "silencing". All of the comments that we marked as spam can still be read here.

    If you really think that's censorship, you must really have lived with a silver spoon in your mouth.

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    RandomPerson, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:59pm

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    I'll give you a great example - if you post on twitter saying that there are only 2 sexes and gender identity disorder is a mental illness, you're against their rules and bannable. Now you may not agree with that position, but this is an example of a political/ideological issue that is codified within twitter rules.

    If you post that children should not be taught about gender identity and asked if they would prefer to get hormones without the parent's consent, that can be against their TOS as well. This is always going to be a problem and it 100% comes down to the views of the moderator on whether that is hate speech or science based discourse on best policy.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:59pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    I'm honest. Stephen is not.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:59pm

    Re: Re:

    You are a fucking bold faced liar hiding behind a fake name, Mike.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    Oh wait, you were serious.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 6:59pm

    'We want X!' 'Here you go.' 'This isn't what we wanted at all!'

    Hmm, I'd suggest changing that to '.. what he asks for', as the two can be widely different, if not in direct opposition, for example claiming to want equal treatment on social media when what is really desired is special treatment and exemptions to the rules everyone else has to follow.

    If those decrying the tyranny of social media got what they wanted that would indeed be great for them, it would be giving them what they are asking for that would be terrible(for them).

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'm honest. Stephen is not.

    Honest enough not to give away your real name? Okay, Coward.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:04pm

    Re:

    Incoherent ranting with nothing but insults, bigotry and other mindless content doesn't exactly take much effort to come up with, and since that's all they have it's not too surprising that they'd be rather quick with comments.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:10pm

    Check back on those numbers in a year to compare how many accounts exist on the service with how many of those accounts are active. I’d bet on a lopsided ratio. Parler, like Voat and Gab and other such “free speech” (read: “conservative-friendly”) sites, will likely become another failed experiment as people flock back to the popular sites.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:14pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    "You "progressives" have become pathetic, fragile, and full of hatred."

    Please explain to me how you differ from your image of "progressives" in this regard.

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    Elijah Smith, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:21pm

    Re:

    I think you're referring to the Washington Times lol.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:23pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'm not a Coward! I'm an Anonymous Coward!

    Is Samuel your real name?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:24pm

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    You mean "popular" sites like Techdirt?

    Now THAT'S funny!

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    Elijah Smith, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:24pm

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    No, it's just that libs and leftists are such dicks--like that "Respectable (oxy-moron) Lawyer" retard lol.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:24pm

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    Are you "marginalized", you poor baby?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:27pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    It isn't silencing! It isn't censorship! You just can't SEE the comment! It exists in another Universe, the Universe of the UnSeen!

    What utter bullshit you spout.

    Censorship is censorship.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:28pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Says the "insider".

    Are you special, being an "insider" and all?

    Do you even see how ridiculous you look? Parler doesn't have "insiders", it doesn't need them. Why do you?

    Do you have a secret code and secret hand signals, too?

    Can you see the hand signal I am making right now?

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    EAD, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:28pm

    So...you a**holes admit then by implication that Twitter does indeed silence conservative voices and leftists didn’t really want the free speech but to just spike the ball of them for leaving Twitter then. Fuck you. So the alternative for conservatives is to just EAD and take it in the rear. Fuck you. You pansy shits. You unwiped chocolate starfishes.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:29pm

    "libs and leftists are such dicks"

    And with that single line of text I can see exactly how you came to such a conclusion.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:29pm

    Re:

    blah blah blah on and end endless bullshit because you have nothing to say.

    The racists are the Democrats.

    Everybody knows that.

    It's historical fact, not fiction.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:31pm

    Re: Re:

    Many on the right don't care if you're a Jew, or you're black, or red, or yellow, or green.

    Because we're not bigots, and we're not racists, and we're not anti-semites.

    But I understand why you see the world that way.

    You racist bigot.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:31pm

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    Unwiped Chocolate Starfishes.

    10 points for originality.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:32pm

    Re: Re:

    Incoherent ranting with nothing but insults, bigotry and other mindless content.

    aka Techdirt.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:33pm

    Re: 'We want X!' 'Here you go.' 'This isn't what we wanted at al

    Hey, Parler is cool.

    Techdirt is a joke.

    That's life.

    Face it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:41pm

    Respect for Techdirt

    You know, I asked my friends at Parler about Techdirt, and they did tell me one thing that I had to agree with. You guys stick together. You might have worthless opinions, you might come to stupid conclusions, you might silence the best and the brightest voices that grace your site with attention, but you stick together. You lose the election, you lose power, you lose Brexit, you loose SCOTUS, you lose and lose and are about to lose again, but you stick together.

    That's something. Not much, but something. Maybe you deserve a LITTLE respect.

    naw.

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    steell, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    From your link: "Conclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. "

    A study comparing cloth masks to medical masks determines that medical masks are more effective. Imagine that.

    You said "Facebook tossed a good friend of mine for a month for linking to a peer-reviewed, double-blind study with a control group showing the ineffectiveness of masks."
    Lie much?

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    G.N. Harper, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:48pm

    The message wasn't the medium

    Having the "Last Word" with a belief that it will influence an audience, only interested in seeing "their" pearls of epiphany... is a fool's folie aux deux. Devin Nunes left twitter and is now a Parler user? A testimony that will assuredly influence right minded like thinkers. Has his cow arrived yet? Go build a house...fight ISIS ...or deliver meals to the elderly...because these words have zero value and impact with respect to fomenting any sort of real progress. History will refer to users of the "I know you are but what am I" medium, not as "Twitterer's"...The descriptor will be shortened and one vowel will be replaced.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:48pm

    you a**holes admit then by implication that Twitter does indeed silence conservative voices

    Not really. If self-identified conservatives feel “silenced” by having to follow the Twitter TOS agreement, that says more about them than it does about Twitter.

    the alternative for conservatives is to just EAD and take it in the rear

    No, the alternative is to leave Twitter and start their own Twitter-like service — which they’ve seemingly done, given how Parler is heavily promoted by conservatives. If conservatives don’t like Twitter’s TOS, tough shit. They’re not entitled to a spot on that service; neither is anyone else.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:49pm

    Thank you for proving my point.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:54pm

    Remind me, which party has heavily supported Voter ID laws in the United States within the past two decades or so — laws that courts have said were crafted with racist intent? Which party currently stands against mail-in ballots for the national election, which could help boost voter turnout but would also give people of color a better chance of voting than in-person voting? Which party breathlessly defends symbols of the Confederacy, a failed state that seceded from and fought a war with the United States to preserve the institution of slavery? Which party has tried to suppress the Black vote by way of gerrymandering, enacting Voter ID laws, and shutting down polling stations in districts heavily populated by Black people?

    Because last time I checked, it sure as shit wasn’t the Democrats who were leading the charge in those regards.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:55pm

    Because we're not bigots, and we're not racists, and we're not anti-semites.

    Donald Trump didn’t get the memo, apparently.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:57pm

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    No it didn't, but you are a "progressive," so why not lie? It's what you people do. LOL

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:57pm

    Re:

    For once we agree.

    If you don't like twitter, leave. I did.

    Felt great.

    Feels greater every day.

    Did I mention I'm an investor?

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 7:59pm

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    Floyd was a COVID-infected, sickle-cell anemic, heart disease ridden heroin addict, drunk, high, and on meth. Not that "progressives" ever noticed. LOL

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:00pm

    Re: The message wasn't the medium

    Right. Not just Nunes. Not just Dan. Not just Kevin. Not just .... like, pretty much EVERYBODY I like is on Parler.

    Except one. Where's Trump?

    Can you talk to him for me? He doesn't seem to listen to me anymore.

    Dunno why. Maybe it's my obsession with his wife. He always laughs about it but maybe he really doesn't like it.

    Signed,

    Charles

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:01pm

    Except one. Where's Trump?

    Still on Twitter, and for good reason: He knows he’ll get more attention on that site than he will on Parler.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:02pm

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    Always good to see Another Scared, Pathethic "Progressive" For Censorship.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:03pm

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    How is it that you lefties are so good at mind reading? Did you all go to mind reading school together?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:04pm

    Re:

    I take it that's a YES.

    Of course, we all knew that already.

    You poor marginalized baby.

    Hear that tone?

    That's the world's smallest violin, playing a sad song, just for you.

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:04pm

    Very fun to see how many comments have been hidden because the pathetic "progressives" here complained to the administrators. You must be millennial baristas living on stimulus checks while looting stores. LOL

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    Gibson, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:04pm

    TWITTER

    Twitter don't ban conservatives? WHAt ?? ARE you for real ..Come on man , stop it there are 100000 examples ..Just like you tube

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:06pm

    Anecdotal experience is not empirical evidence. Yes, Twitter bans conservatives. It also bans liberals. So what?

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:06pm

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    The truth hurts, doesn't it, poor thing? Did you save your pussy hat?

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    TBTop (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:09pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    What terroristic threats got your panties in a twist, poor "progressive" scaredy cat? LOL

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:13pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Ah, I see the problem, you're wearing the mask over your eyes.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:14pm

    Re: Re:

    You're literally just a liar, and it's sad.

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    Anonymous Patriot, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:23pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    and nobody is stopping him from doing that.

    Well, except for Lenny Pozner and his lawyers.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:27pm

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    [Projects facts not in evidence]

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    Anonymous Patriot, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:30pm

    Re:

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    Anonymous Patriot, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:32pm

    Re: Re:

    See here.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:34pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    I get by now that you're a hypocritical ass who thinks that schoolyard level insults are making other people look bad, but just a tip for the future, if you're going to lie it helps if the refutation to that lie isn't literally a few comments above.

    Once more from the abstract of the study in question:

    Intervention Hospital wards were randomised to: medical masks, cloth masks or a control group (usual practice, which included mask wearing). Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.

    Digging into the study a little more...

    In the control arm, 170/458 (37%) used medical masks, 38/458 (8%) used cloth masks, and 245/458 (53%) used a combination of both medical and cloth masks during the study period. The remaining 1% either reported using a N95 respirator (n=3) or did not use any masks (n=2).

    ...

    It is also unknown whether the rates of infection observed in the cloth mask arm are the same or higher than in HCWs who do not wear a mask, as almost all participants in the control arm used a mask.

    ...

    Another limitation of this study is the lack of a no-mask control group and the high use of masks in the controls, which makes interpretation of the results more difficult.

    And in a more recent response to questions regarding how the study might apply to COVID concerns:

    Health workers are asking us if they should wear no mask at all if cloth masks are the only option. Our research does not condone health workers working unprotected. We recommend that health workers should not work during the COVID-19 pandemic without respiratory protection as a matter of work health and safety.

    I'd say I look forward to your admission that you were wrong and an apology for calling me a liar, but as your past responses have indicated that that's almost certainly beyond you I suppose I'll take the entertainment provided from yet more of the childish name-calling that seems to be your default response instead.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:34pm

    Re: Re:

    Absolutely right and quite well said, TBTop.

    Very fun to see how many comments have been hidden because the pathetic "progressives" here complained to the administrators. You must be millennial baristas living on stimulus checks while looting stores. LOL

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:35pm

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    I'm getting old. Back in my day shitposting required effort.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:36pm

    Re:

    Even the supreme court recently ruled that it is acceptable to use common sense. Remember common sense, you leftie lawyer losers? Common sense.

    Twitter is Left. Facebook is Left, They are so left, that they are being left by their users.

    Fuck you leftie idiots.

    Gosh, it's fun to post here with my friends from Parler. I'm really enjoying it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:37pm

    Re: Re:

    On this site? Are you stupid or just another lying sack of shit?

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  277. icon
    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:43pm

    Wow, it’s almost as if corporations don’t want to do business with people those corporations consider toxic. Imagine that~.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:45pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Thank you for proving my point by completely missing it. And no, this isn't lulzy by any standards. It's childish and truly pathetic. If this is your Monday night entertainment, I'm sorry you have to stoop this low.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:47pm

    Please provide proof that at the time of his death, George Floyd was infected with COVID-19 and under the influence of drugs. Please also provide a reasoned opinion as to why any of what you said, regardless of whether it’s true, justifies his being murdered by a police officer for nothing more than using a fake $20 bill.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:48pm

    You can believe you’re entitled to a spot on Facebook, but believing it doesn’t make it true.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:55pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Oh, ouch, I'm so hurt, you speech sounds like violence to me. Stop it or I will send BLM to burn down your house in a mostly peaceful way.

    Idiots.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 8:59pm

    General Michael Flynn Now on Parler (and Techdirt)

    "I was once told if we’re not careful, 2 percent of the passionate will control 98 percent of the indifferent 100 percent of the time."

    It’s so simple but so powerful and true.

    Flynn goes on to say, “The more I’ve thought about this phrase, the more I believe it. There is now a small group of passionate people working hard to destroy our American way of life. Treason and treachery are rampant and our rule of law and those law enforcement professionals who uphold our laws are under the gun more than at any time in our nation’s history. These passionate 2 percent appear to be winning.”

    Flynn says that despite there being countless good people trying to come to grips with everything else on their plates, our silent majority (the indifferent) can no longer be silent.

    If the United States wants to survive the onslaught of socialism, if we are to continue to enjoy self-government and the liberty of our hard-fought freedoms, we have to understand there are two opposing forces: One is the “children of light” and the other is the “children of darkness.”

    I think Flynn is a Historic American Hero. I think Trump plans to bring him in to run the military and national guard to fix America's problems, which he will do el pronto quicko. Then, he will follow Trump in the 2024 Election.

    Flynn! The Symbol of the End of the Deep State! History in the making! He will be on the Thousand Dollar Bill!

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:11pm

    Re:

    Well, didn't take long for Hamilton to crawl out of the Shiva Ayyadurai woodwork. I suppose even Fran Drescher's ex knows enough to let people come up for air every once in a while.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:19pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    No, I mean that no health experts have any honest disagreements about it that are being censored. Also, that study doesn’t say what you claim it does. That was the problem.

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  285. icon
    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:24pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Apparently, you can’t be bothered to read the comment you’re responding to, which links to the update.

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  286. icon
    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:25pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I sense great projection in this one…

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:27pm

    Re: Re:

    [citation needed], and how would that change anything?

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:35pm

    "I was once told if we’re not careful, 2 percent of the passionate will control 98 percent of the indifferent 100 percent of the time."

    And that’s how we end up with Republicans enjoying minority rule.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:36pm

    Re: Re:

    I think you’re missing the point. Facebook is free to remove or leave up whatever 3rd-party content it wants (outside of the DMCA, FOSTA, and federal criminal laws). That means I support Facebook’s right to remove content it finds objectionable whether I like it or not along with its right to not remove content it doesn’t mind as much regardless of whether I like it or not. Left, right, or neither, it doesn’t matter.

    Now, that’s not to say that I don’t have my own opinions on individual cases of Facebook moderation decisions, but I support their legal right to do so regardless and recognize that them making a lot of mistakes is inevitable when operating on such a scale and dealing with highly subjective decisions that need to be made.

    So tell me, how is that being “fragile”?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:41pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    It's the one where you choke yourself trying to put your whole fist in your mouth again isn;t it?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:42pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I've seen three year olds with more convincing arguments than you bro.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:43pm

    Re:

    What like your wet farts?

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:43pm

    Re: Re:

    Your far-left newspapers and TV networks routinely lie through
    their teeth

    Unlike Faux News and the yello Cheeto. Really?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    How the invention buisness bro?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:45pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    But enough about your sad pathetic personal life.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:47pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    https://twitter.com/richdavisphd/status/1276629360212979712

    No study but it should be obvious that any droplet stopped will help the cause (as will not having to see some people's ugly mug).

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:47pm

    Re:

    okay Boomer

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  298. icon
    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:47pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Not that it’s relevant, but out of curiosity, what specifically about a Russian conspiracy did Rachel Maddow supposedly lie about?

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:49pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Keep LOLing, it only shows you're far too stupid to be that smug. Nothing new for a "conservative", though, I grant you that.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:51pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    What are you smoking?

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:51pm

    Re: Re:

    So, he should have better worn a mask?

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:52pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You "progressives" have become pathetic, fragile, and full of
    hatred.

    You conservative cunts started it. Tough luck.

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  303. icon
    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:53pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Uh, you can still see the comment. You just have to click to see it.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:54pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Apparently you lack self-awareness.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:56pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Man, you really suck at this, huh? It’s painful to watch.

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    bhull242 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 9:58pm

    Re: Re:

    That ruling has zero relevance to anything being discussed here.

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    stine, 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:01pm

    You're incorrect, they don't actually have to remove any content

    You seem to think that Parler has to remove any content, but they don't. They don't have to remove anything. On the other hand, if they don't remove certain types of content, they'll find that their userbase will disappear. That's completely not the same thing at all.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:01pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Hi smugass, he linked to it so people can see what an asshat he is - and you by citing him as a credible source.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:04pm

    Re: Re:

    Says the guy chickening out the moment he gets presented with examples of Project Veritas' misdeeds. Impressive.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:06pm

    Re: Re:

    Did they use deepfakes to produce those clips

    Thanks for admitting to adhering to such a low standard (and of course to suddenly moving the goalposts once you can't counter the arguments).

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:07pm

    Re: Re:

    You can't win on conured up facts and definitely not on smugness. Tough shit.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:09pm

    Re: Re:

    Defeat by the likes of you? Keep dreaming.

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    blademan9999 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:12pm

    Re: Re:

    The writers of the study itself noted in a response to people asking if/how it applied to COVID "Health workers are asking us if they should wear no mask at all if cloth masks are the only option. Our research does not condone health workers working unprotected."

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:14pm

    Re:

    Bring it on, lamer.

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    JMT (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:15pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Rescue it from the brink or burn it to the ground.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:16pm

    Re: Re:

    Funny to see you even fail at irony. Impressive.

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  317. icon
    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:18pm

    Re: Re: 'We want X!' 'Here you go.' 'This isn't what we wanted a

    And even on Techdirt noone takes you seriously. Tired of winning yet?

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:18pm

    Re: Re:

    Parler is NOT dominated by fake assholes

    No, it's dominated by actual assholes.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:20pm

    Re: Re:

    Popular enough for you to keep posting to it, genius.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:21pm

    Re: Re:

    Do we care about an AC claiming anything?

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:22pm

    Re: Respect for Techdirt

    You even fail at passive aggressive which is... impressive.

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    JMT (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:23pm

    Re: Re:

    "blah blah blah on and end endless bullshit because you have nothing to say."

    That sounds an awful lot like "LA LA LA I can't hear you!"

    Ideologically the two parties are completely different than they were 150 years ago. No political historian, or anyone who can read a damn history book, would seriously argue otherwise.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:23pm

    Re: Re:

    There's really not much mind to read with Trump though.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:23pm

    Re:

    STILL too stupid to realize how moderation works here?

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:24pm

    Re: Re:

    Apparently Parler is so cool you'd rather post here because... edgelord reasons.

    Thanks for playing, you triggered little snowflake.

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    techflaws (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:25pm

    Re: Re:

    And you're failing miserably at it. As will Parler which is probably the reason you're guys are already turning up here. A true sign of confidence in Parler.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:26pm

    Re: You're incorrect, they don't actually have to remove any con

    They have to remove illegal content, so there.

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    JMT (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:26pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "Parler doesn't have "insiders", it doesn't need them."

    Who pays for it then? Cos that's literally what a TD 'Insider' does.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:29pm

    I was also banned apparently for an obscenity where I suggested Trumo was too close to Kim Jong Un

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    JMT (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:31pm

    Re: Re:

    "You will silence any view you disagree with because you are too afraid to confront anyone about anything."

    Lots of people here are disagreeing with you and you're being 'confronted' out the wazoo, and yet your supposedly 'silenced' voice is making an awful lot of noise. Your own many, many words, which I can clearly see, are making a complete mockery of your claims.

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    That One Guy (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:34pm

    ... and?

    Which puts them in the exact same position as other social media platforms, so not sure what point you're going with there or who you're addressing.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:44pm

    Re:

    President Flynn. Doesn't that have a nice ring to it? A real General for a President, that would be great in these uncertain times, don't you think? Is it too early to start a President General Flynn Fan Club? I'm ready to contribute, he's my kinda guy. One guy, alone, facing impossible odds, staring down Mueller, corrupt judges, the corrupt FBI, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, all of 'em. Staring them down and them SMASHING THEM into TINY PIECES and then HANGING THEM in PUBLIC as a STATEMENT about a NEW AMERICA! Well, maybe hanging is a little much. Perp walking would be OK, in handcuffs, at 3AM with their wife in a bathrobe. That should do. With Fox covering the whole thing, yeah, that'll be fine.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Jun 2020 @ 10:56pm

    Re: Re:

    Thanks for expressing your wish for Trump to not be President, Hamilton.

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    JMT (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 11:00pm

    Re:

    *"So...you a*holes admit then by implication that Twitter does indeed silence conservative voices..."

    I don't recall anyone admitting to that. Twitter does not silence discussions about traditional conservative values like family values, law and order, fiscal responsibility, etc. Twitter does silence discussions that are racist, xenophobic, homophobic, etc. Are you saying these are also conservative values? Coz that might be your problem right there.

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  335. icon
    Uriel-238 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 11:13pm

    Republicans enjoying minority rule

    That indifference comes from somewhere. We have it beaten into our gradeschool heads how important it is to vote, to express our own differences and make that choice, and yet somehow by the time we're all grown up and looking at our options, it's just not that exciting.

    We like to blame MTV or our facebook feed or the YouTubez or whatever it is that we think is making the new generation lazy. (They're not. It isn't.) But really it comes down to Boss Tweed having us by the short-and-curlies since... well... since Boss Tweed.

    Ours is a two party system, and we get to choose between a capitalist and a different kind of capitalist. That's super exciting.

    And then there's those referendums which might be understandable for those who they directly affect. Most people don't actually know if the firefighters need their pension raised or if that costs too much out of the general fund. Most people don't know if bridges, libraries, lotteries, school augmentation funds, electoral funds and such are good or not.

    In the meantime much of the shit that desperately needs doing never gets near a committee meeting. The planet is dying and the nation's infrastructure is still collapsing under its own weight.

    So sure, the same interests that captured the Republican party also captured all the government departments. They also captured the Democratic party. For an allegedly free state we're all owned, even the twinkletoes that are trolling this forum. Especially the twinkletoes that are trolling this forum.

    As much of a monster Trump is, Biden is simply going to give us a reprieve until the GOP comes up with another demagogue that will totally pump up folks like Gibson and TBTop and make them feel they're on the winning team and are really huge men. Maybe another Trump. Maybe Zombie Donald, or maybe someone who knows how to use our surveillance system to assure that dissenters from the One True Party quietly have their careers ruined. And yet, a Trump victory might drive us to realize the federal government isn't going to serve the people until the people force it to.

    Frankly, we're already there. It's totally on brand for Trump to delay the election, or kick up enough doubt to call it to question, or in a worst case scenario, scorch the earth while he's lame duck.

    But we the people didn't have any contenders in the game long before the Southern Strategy, long before the religious, big textile and big oil took to the GOP.

    I think Carter was accidental, and the DNC stomped hard to the right because of him.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 29 Jun 2020 @ 11:36pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Coincidentally, that's the same amount of common sense Spamiltard exhibits.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:42am

    Re: Republicans enjoying minority rule

    WTF?

    You believe in a Socialist Utopia. We believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    You believe in Censorship (Techdirt's version), mob rule and disgusting liars with phony names. We believe in Free Speech, Individual Liberty and the Rule of Law.

    You are evil, and fascist, and represent the collective, the Hive.

    We are good, independent, patriotic Americans, a shining example for the whole world to envy.

    Signed,

    Your Friendly, Humble, Patriotic American (God Bless America)

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:43am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Well, he can't be president forever, can he? Did you flunk civics, like your stupid friends?

    Michael Flynn for President, 2024!

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:47am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Na, I come here to try to clean up this shitty toilet of a web site with some actual American speech. Not like the horseshit that you promote here, with your leftist mob mentality. On Parler, I am surrounded by patriotic Americans with interesting opinions and the ability to quote both the law and historical truth. Here, well, the Streisand Effect is big news. Pigs rolling in shit are not fun to debate. But that's OK, I also pick up garbage at the park when I see it. Pretty much the same thing. Civic duty, you get me? When you see a stinky pile of trash, try to clean it up, in your own small way. A candle in the wind, so to speak. Just like my friend Elton John wrote about me. I'm a candle in the wind, a small light in the hurricane of socialist disinformation. Self Sacrifice. Country. Family. God. All good. You suck.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:49am

    Re: Re:

    Yeah, we all know how it works. Suddenly 50 comments go missing. You say it's the "community", which is just a fucking lie told repeatedly by fucking liars. Lefties, in other words. Keep your doctor, same thing on another subject. Losers. You have no moral character. None of you. No heroes, no morals, just disgusting lies repeated again and again, usually by the same person using different identities. Pathetic losers, all of you.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:54am

    Re:

    Hey, I hope they're close. Trump offered him Condos! What a negotiator! I want those condos in North Korea! Do you know what they will be worth in the future? HUGE! It's going to be HUGE HUGE HUGE.

    Yeah, it's taking a little longer than expected, but that short little prick will figure it out soon. Maybe we need to encourage him with a MOAB or two, I'll just wait for Flynn to show up and direct the show.

    Maybe on the 4th of July, that would be good, right? Drop a few bombs on NC to encourage them to buy Condos! That might work!

    Actually, I think I plan to pardon Roger Stone on the 4th of July, that's what my wife wants. And Charles. Where is Charles, anyway? And where is my wife? Why are they always together while I'm at work.

    Doesn't matter! I'll just go grab some more pussy! Cats. Pussy Cats. I have a cat, did you know that? And a pussy. No, that's not right. Anyway, I'm up too late, gotta go find my wife. Where did she go again?

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:59am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    As others have pointed out the study shows that medical masks are better than cloth masks in protecting health workers from getting infected.

    Another thing that infection specialists, doctors and health-care workers in general have pointed out, its that the primary reason for using a mask is not to protected the wearer - it's to protect the people around them.

    If your buddy (and you considering the language you used) made a post on Facebook saying that masks are ineffective based on this study your posts deserve to be removed without question.

    So your "divergent view of COVID-19" turns out to be uninformed hogwash that promulgates an idea that will put people in danger.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:34am

    Well, he can't be president forever, can he?

    My god, it’s learning.

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    ein (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:48am

    "And it has the right to do so."

    Corporations don't have rights.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:58am

    The Supreme Court of the United States said otherwise. Until they overturn that ruling or the legislative branch passes a law that overturns the ruling (and holds up on constitutional grounds), corporations have rights.

    And even if they don’t, the people who own those corporations have rights.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:58am

    Re:

    The one time I handed over a fake note to pay for something, the store refunded me for confiscating it, and gave me an apology, after they checked their CCTV and saw me getting it out of the machine on their own premises.

    Almost like there's some kind of notable difference between me and Floyd...

    notes the lack of melanin

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 2:11am

    Re: Re: Republicans enjoying minority rule

    While the 1% believe they are entitled to own everything, including people, and the purpose of law is to force the people to make them even more wealthy. Trump is employed to advance their ideas.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:27am

    You can't really make an argument without the facts

    Lots of people got banned for comments made. What were the comments? Makes a difference if they were threats ect. Not saying they were, just pointing out that no one even vaguely indicates what they were banned for.

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    techflaws (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:00am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Said the whining whiner.

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    techflaws (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:01am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Your cleaning up works really good, don't you think, cupcake?

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 5:30am

    Re: You can't really make an argument without the facts

    Exactly, I hope this can get bumped up above the noise. Sure, they got banned. What did they do?

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 5:46am

    Misleading Headline?

    Did they get banned because Parler didn't like their political stance or because they were trying to push the system to purposely see what it took to get banned?

    The one admits that a group joined just to "screw with MAGA folks" and another admits to doing it to "[call] them out on their sketchy legal tactics."

    How did they do this? Were they spamming? Did they post what they knew were against the ToS? It would be nice to see TD dig a little more into this.

    You could also set up your own account and slowly start posting crazier and crazier shit to see what happens. Start with tin foil hat conspiracies and eventually go full blown Montana militia member.

    Taking a punch at Parler is great if it's deserved but they never claimed they were the wild west where anything and everything goes. It seems that people think just that from the responses to Thor Benson on Twitter. Parler claims that they aren't going to ban based on politics but make no promises about purposely trying to break the ToS.

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    Rook, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:04am

    LOL

    How does it feel, you Marxist scumbags? Rot in hell.

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    ArmchairAnalyst, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:12am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. When the banning of supposed hate speech includes widely heard opinions and ideas, there is a problem. When social media is shitting people down for saying they think there is a biological difference between men and women, or that surgery can’t change ones sex, or all lives matter is considered racist, or freedom of speech is somehow an alt-right idea, you’ve lost the argument. Parler does have terms of service and community standards and a point system. When you violate the terms, you accrue a point. They do tell you what your violation is. When you reach 20 points, you’re banned. The idea that the are only banning liberals, or they are banning liberals for their ideas - as opposed to violating the community standards, is nonsense.

    Twitter censored a post from the president stating he would enforce the law. That’s literally his job. He is the head of the US military, and Twitter pretended he was threatening random act of violence. And there has been rampant vote by mail fraud - see the news stories just this week. That’s one they deemed false, but it’s not. Twitter created community standards in which the closely held religious beliefs of every major religion is a violation of standards.

    The difference for me is that Parler gives anyone a chance to speak their ideas while Twitter keeps looking for ways to silence ideas they don’t agree with. Twitter has community standards that are ideology based. Parler doesn’t. This entire screed of yours is full of lies and innuendos. I still believe you have a right to say what you have.

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    Baba, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:15am

    Lol

    Haha nice to see the boot on the other foot for once. It's about time the left had their views challenged.
    I'm going to join now.

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:15am

    Re: Re: You can't really make an argument without the facts

    Sure, they got banned. What did they do?

    Which is the same question asked of those claiming that conservatives views are being banned from Twitter and Facebook, so far no answer has been forthcoming that proves there is a systemic bias against conservatives.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:26am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    I don't think you or your friend read that study. It talks about the effectiveness of cloth masks, not all masks. And it even has an updated link regarding COVID-19 related shortages of PPE and says that cloth masks aren't as good as surgical masks or respirators but still better than nothing.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:27am

    Re: Re: Re: You can't really make an argument without the facts

    I'd be happy to hear from both groups. Quite frankly, I've seen plenty from both sides on Twitter that never got banned.

    I know some who have gotten banned, at least temporarily, for things like not using preferred pronouns or saying trans women/men aren't their preferred gender. I'm pretty sure those are things that explicitly go against Twitter's ToS.

    I've yet to see examples of actual disparity.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:40am

    Re:

    I think it is.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:42am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Who is the "Yellow Cheeto"?

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:43am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You don't have to be sorry. You have to be a proud American to post like you post. You're a great writer, and we're happy to see you here. I hope you will come more often.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:48am

    Re: Misleading Headline?

    I think you're dead right. Frankly, the idea that as a "community member", you have the obligation to Censor speech you don't like (as they do here, see the 200+ comments that can't be read above) as opposed to countering speech you don't like with better speech seems really wide open to the potential for abuse. A few people "in power" (the "insiders") have the ability to silence everyone else. That's just not right. That's just not American.

    I am happy to see another American author post here, finally. And a great writer and philosopher, too. And, I think he or she is likely tall, fit, very good looking, accomplished, and is kind to animals. That's how I imagine azkid. Funny name, though. Azkid? Dikza? I dunno about the name choice, but the writing is great.

    Anyway, God Bless America and God Bless Parler.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:56am

    Re: Re: Misleading Headline?

    No, not Dizka (now I need to look that person up). Just a fan of westerns and from Arizona. I didn't want someone coming back saying I didn't have the balls to post with an account.
    Personally, any platform censoring anyone (as is their right) needs to be treated as publishers under the law. That makes them liable for actions done as a result of their system.
    Basically, if Antifa or the KKK were promoting violence, such as a planned riot or attack, then Twitter/FB/Parler could be liable if they didn't remove the post.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:58am

    Re: Re: Misleading Headline?

    I will admit to being tall, fit, good looking, accomplished and kind to animals. Well, at least kind to animals, anyhow!

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 6:59am

    Re: Lol

    Well, I'd vouch for Parler. I feel good when I go there. I've seen a little bit of stupid commentary, but it's really easy to tell people directly what you think when they are way out of line. And 99% of the posts I see come from thoughtful and talented writers, artists, politicians and hedge fund managers. I've seen some doctors, especially talented surgeons, they're fun to follow, especially the plastic surgeons. You can't believe how a small change to your nose can make you look really great, no kidding. Anyway, a very nice crowd, no so many leftie crazy anarchists like twitter, overall a calm and satisfying experience. Kind of like conservative meditation, where you hear so many voices that sound like yours you can imagine a wonderful future where Michael Flynn is President in 2024 and then Baron Trump in 2032 and then Michael Flynn Junior in 2040 and then .... well, it just goes on and on. Meditation for Conservatives. MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm......... I love Donald ...... MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm I love Michael ..........MMMMMMmmmmmmmm I love Baron ..............

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:01am

    Re:

    Yes, I've never seen such a dedicated effort to invent different ways of consuming fecal matter.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:08am

    Re: Re: Re: Misleading Headline?

    Wait, are you Donald J. Trump? You write like him. You sound like him. You know, understated, persuasive, compelling, undeniably good looking, well dressed and well spoken and with an ambiance of accomplishment accompanied by large contributions to worthy charities. Like that. Are you Donald? Or Baron? Or Mike? Are you Mike Flynn. He was in the Intelligence service, you knew that, right? He's got all those SAME qualities, that's why the Deep State tried to imprison him. WHO ARE YOU? No, don't tell me. Keep it a surprise. You're one of 'em, that's for sure, or something who they listen to a lot. Maybe a writer for the president or the first lady? Maybe a bodyguard? No, a policy maker, you're like that. A Genius. A Visionary. A friend to the Pope (the good Pope).

    God bless you, and God Bless America. And Darn it, God Bless Mike for letting me publish here. I'm in tears tonight. Thank you everybody.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:16am

    It's about time the left had their views challenged.

    I don’t see how Parler banning “left-leaning” users ostensibly for being leftists means their views are being “challenged”. If anything, Parler banning people based on political ideology would mean Parler has an explicit political bias. I wonder if the people calling for Twitter’s head over its perceived political bias would have an issue with a Twitter-like service showing a nakedly explicit political bias — especially since Parler claims itself as an avenue for “free speech”.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:21am

    any platform censoring anyone (as is their right) needs to be treated as publishers under the law

    Hi! I’d link to the “you’re wrong about Section 230” article, but I can take you down in one sentence:

    Section 230 doesn’t mention any kind of platform/publisher distinction when it says all interactive computer services have 230 protections.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:21am

    Re:

    That's a very confusing post. I'm sure you had at least one strong point you were trying to make. What is it again? Parler has political bias? Or Parler bans free speech? If you want to see free speech banned, look above at the 200+ comments that have been removed and are now invisible. Parler doesn't do that. You do that, Mike. You are Mike, right, Mike? You sound like Mike. You even smell like Mike. You have the same emotional tonality, the same weak arguments, your real name is certainly not Stephen, is it. Are you Mike? What's your point, Mike?

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Misleading Headline?

    I most certainly am not Flynn. I definitely don't work for the intelligence services. I don't know what you're talking about. The NSA/CIA/FBI are all fake news. They don't actually exist. It's all deep state, you know.

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    Anonymous, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:22am

    Re: 'Well I say free speech, but I really mean MY speech...'

    You’re a tool. There’s no evidence that Parler is being biased against the people in this article, only anecdotes. Do you always drink Kool-aid this easily?

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:23am

    Re:

    Twitter banned conservatives for the npc meme. Look it up. They are blatantly biased.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:24am

    Re:

    Yes, Stephen/Mike, we know you have your personal interpretation of all the laws in all the universe (since you are the Wizard of Laws), but tell me again, in English, what you are trying to say.

    When you censor speech, as you do above, then you are not a "platform", you are a "publisher". Is that what you were trying to say?

    Or are you trying to say something else?

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:25am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: You can't really make an argument without the fa

    I think there's a big difference being insensitive or clueless versus being hateful and sometimes it's hard to judge the content and context of a post to determine what the intent actually was. I also think that means that moderators often err on the side of caution and issue a ban or suspension even though there where no harmful intent from the poster.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:26am

    Did they get banned because Parler didn't like their political stance or because they were trying to push the system to purposely see what it took to get banned?

    If those users were trying to push the system by using benign political speech with which Parler’s admins disagree, you have a distinction without a difference.

    Taking a punch at Parler is great if it's deserved but they never claimed they were the wild west where anything and everything goes.

    Every big name Parler convert who advertised the service over the weekend acted like it was a bastion of free speech compared to Twitter. If Parler admins and users want to claim the service is a haven for free speech while the admins ban otherwise benign political speech along ideological lines, they’d be hypocrites and we’d be right in calling them that.

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    Trump, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:30am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Boyfriends

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:32am

    Re:

    Now THAT would be censorship, getting rid of the website. If you don’t like it, don’t use it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:34am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Misleading Headline?

    Well, if you WERE Flynn, and you were TRAINED in the intelligence field, and you were talking on a PUBLIC forum, then you would know enough NOT to admit you were Flynn, right? I know Mike Flynn, and I know if I asked him in public if he WAS Mike Flynn, I have no idea what he might say. He's clever, that one, he really is. So, how to resolve this paradox? Flynn or no Flynn. How about this? We dunk you in the water, and if you die, then you're not Mike Flynn. If you live, then you are Mike Flynn, and we burn you alive for lying. That sounds reasonable.

    Signed, Judge Sullivan

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:34am

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    Europe has voter id laws. Cope.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:37am

    Re:

    Yes, and if pigs could fly and dirt were dollars, we'd all be in the black, eating hot dogs with chili peppers.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:39am

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    Parler is much better than twitter, that’s for sure. Sorry if you need an echo chamber to feel safe :(

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:44am

    The idea that the are only banning liberals, or they are banning liberals for their ideas - as opposed to violating the community standards, is nonsense.

    Replace “liberals” with “conservatives” and you can say the same thing about Twitter. That it has community standards aimed at greater inclusiveness — standards meant to encourage the speech of marginalized groups such as trans people — doesn’t mean it has a political bias. And if you want to claim anti-trans speech as the domain of conservatives by saying “banning anti-trans speech is banning conservative speech”? That isn’t a Twitter problem.

    Twitter censored a post from the president stating he would enforce the law.

    I didn’t know that “adding speech to a tweet” is “censorship” nowadays. Mind explaining the logic behind that thought process, champ?

    there has been rampant vote by mail fraud - see the news stories just this week

    “Rampant” implies a far higher amount of instances of mail fraud than the news has reported. Fraud concerning mail-in ballots is still proportionately rare, and it doesn’t happen at levels that would sway (or have swayed) an election — especially the national presidential election.

    Twitter created community standards in which the closely held religious beliefs of every major religion is a violation of standards.

    That says more about the beliefs of those religions than it does about the standards set up by Twitter.

    Parler gives anyone a chance to speak their ideas while Twitter keeps looking for ways to silence ideas they don’t agree with

    Twitter admins keep looking for ways to keep the most people on the service. That’s it. If that means setting rules that might shut up a few homophobes and transphobes but let queer people speak without fear of harassment (in large amounts)…well, it is what it is. Don’t like it? Go to Parler; I’m sure its standards don’t have a problem with someone referring to queer people with anti-queer slurs.

    I still believe you have a right to say what you have.

    Twitter users have every right to say what they want. And Twitter admins have every right to boot people from the platform if such speech breaks the TOS. Don’t like it? Find a site with a TOS you do like and stay there. You’re not owed, entitled to, or guaranteed a spot on Twitter.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:44am

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    Doesn’t take a conservative to recognize that you have shitty humor.

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    Uncle Mike, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:45am

    Re:

    Commie Mutant Traitors, sounds like a great saturday morning cartoon.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:46am

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    The left can’t meme, so they even resort to using rightwing words like “triggered” and “snowflake”.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:49am

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    People can’t flock back when they’re banned, you galaxy brain.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:52am

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    Sorry snowflake, but this time mainstream politicians and celebrities are joining Parler. It’s gonna last longer this time.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:53am

    Re: Re:

    Using a meme to sat I hate the left comes under hate speech.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:54am

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    Ok, you guys can be a little funny sometimes.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:56am

    Re:

    Thank you Stephen. If you could link to the specific article I would appreciate it. From my understanding the code doesn't seem to refer to content platforms but service providers.

    "The term “interactive computer service” means any information service, system, or access software provider that provides or enables computer access by multiple users to a computer server, including specifically a service or system that provides access to the Internet and such systems operated or services offered by libraries or educational institutions."

    You can debate what it means my "provides or enables computer access... to a computer server" but a plain reading of the code doesn't imply content platforms.

    230 clearly refers to a service provider as not being liable for the illegal actions of its users- such as people pirating software or music or someone putting out illegal content (child porn, classified information, etc). It doesn't (and really couldn't at the time) take into account social media.

    Without judicial or federal clarification I would hesitate to apply it to content platforms.

    Again, that doesn't mean that 230 doesn't apply to those platforms but it needs clarified and revised as the technology has changed. There needs to be clarification as to whether platforms like Twitter/FB or Parler would qualify.

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 7:56am

    Re: Re:

    It could perhaps have something to do with the fact that people used the meme to spread misinformation about the election among other things.

    Also, if you somehow think that the NPC meme was only used by conservatives it tells me your consumption of media is severely restricted.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:01am

    Re: LOL

    Well, that's not a very Christian thing to say. Consider this: Most Marxists (most of the people who post here under phony names) are godless, morally devoid pitiful soulless cretins who turn their back on light and truth and instead embrace the darkness of lying, cheating, stealing, burning and promoting totally fake propaganda, like BLM. So, without any hope of salvation, or any real hope of attaining their poorly thought out goals of a socialist utopia, they are already burning in hell. You can tell from the vitriol in their voices. They are suffering, all.

    So, your wish has already come to pass. They are rotting in a hell of their own making.

    Signed, The Enlightened One

    Eat your popcorn and enjoy their screams of torment. It's fun, really. Very Christian. Free Entertainment

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:03am

    Re:

    I clarified the first question you quote: were they purposely doing something that violated the ToS? Were they spamming users OR did they get banned for their politics? There is a difference.

    So far no one has proven the assertion that "the admins ban otherwise benign political speech along ideological lines." That's what I want to know. If they are, then they need called out for being hypocrites.

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:05am

    Re: Re:

    Oh, there's no doubt that European countries have voter id laws but they aren't crafted in such a way to make it difficult to acquire said id if you happen to belong to a marginalized group.

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    bob, 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:06am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Trump

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:11am

    Re: Re:

    Interesting. You do understand that if all the people who reason like you do start using Parler exclusively, that means Parler becomes your own little safe echo-chamber because you couldn't deal with the social platforms you left.

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    You liberals suck balls (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:24am

    ah too bad

    Payback is a motherfcjer aint it.....

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 8:32am

    It doesn't (and really couldn't at the time) take into account social media.

    Didn’t have to then, doesn’t have to now. No court has ruled that 230 doesn’t apply to social media services. Until a court rules that way (and has its ruling upheld), 230 absolutely applies to those services.

    Besides, I can’t think of a reason why Twitter should be held legally liable for any speech that Twitter’s owners/employees didn’t have a hand in creating or publishing.

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    dunce, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:05am

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    the article does not provide any examples of the censored speech.

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    dunce, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:13am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    thanks for being cogent and at length.

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:16am

    Re: Re:

    I guess time will tell. Currently it's too early to say and I think we safely can disregard the people who explicitly signed up to Parler to troll.

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    Don from CT, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:21am

    Shold have been honest

    Parler should have just said "we're a site for alienated conservative free speech".

    Then there wouldn't have been the expectation of supporting liberal speech.

    Its really stupid though. Its absolutely no fun to participate in an online discussion where you agree with everyone.

    Its far more fun when people have opposing views. But that's not what political types way, clearly.

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:22am

    Re: ah too bad

    So you think it's okay that social media moderate and ban people dependent on political leanings?

    Which makes your post a bit odd since you then explicitly condone any political bias in social media.

    Perhaps make up your mind.

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    Ed G, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:27am

    I'm Shocked!

    Tweeter says "Pretty much all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks" and they wonder why they were banned? If they'd joined with honest intent to meaningfully contribute to the conversation, they'd still be active members.

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    G, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:30am

    Parler bam

    Anyone insinuating they are required to provide a DL to sign up for Parler is flat out lying and spreading, again, a false narrative against any and all platforms that actually endorse free speech.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:31am

    Never argue with a Progressive Socialist. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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    Roy Johansen, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:46am

    My preferred solution would be for all social media sites to offer two separate platforms: One where they enforce whatever moderation of content rules that they feel are responsible and practical. The second, mirror platform would be unmoderated. The wild wild west, as it were. And short of violating any federal, state and local statues, such as clear intent to incite violence...anything goes.
    Spew hate and vitriol to your dark heart's contentment. Obviously, the portal to sign up or view the wild wild west platform must have plenty of warnings and disclaimers to inform potential users/viewers of the unmoderated nature of the platform. Don't like the unmoderated forum? Then don't sign up or view
    the content.

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    SharpShtik, 30 Jun 2020 @ 9:55am

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    A few examples of facts that social(ist) media bans:

    • ANTIFA are communists who defame everyone left of center as "fascist" (i.e., national socialists) as an excuse to commit crimes against Americans
    • BLM is run by racist communists
    • Proud Boys defend freedom against Democrats trying to destroy freedom like leftists do worldwide
    • Democrats are trying to take dictatorial control by controlling speech, so that only leftist (propaganda) speech is allowed and non-leftists are shunned by government, businesses run by leftists, etc.
    • All lives matter
    • Democrats (due to their personal politics (immoral, self-entitled, disrespectful of other's rights, etc.) commit nearly all crime, as confirmed by multiple studies, including studies based on convict admissions
    • Black Democrats commit ~50% of crime
    • there is no systemic racism against minorities
    • The primary source of racism comes from Democrats, especially minority Democrats
    • White racism is so non-existent the FBI immediately sent 15 agents to investigate a garage door pull hoaxed as a "noose"
    • Democrats hate police because Democrats commit nearly all crime
    • Democrats have criminal minds, believing property should be taken from people for redistribution (force, deprivation of rights/freedom), whereas honest people promote charity (freedom)
    • Democrats are whipping minority Democrats into a frenzy with propaganda to try to stem the flow of minorities to the Republican Party and freedom movement
    • Democrat Party is the party of slavery

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    Toom1275 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:01am

    Any other real posters amused at how these alt-right trolls' sc-reeee-ching collapses like cotton candy in contact with the water of rational independent thought?

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    BillOfRights, 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:04am

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Right. Just look your post and the one before it. They were flagged and I see nothing derogatory, fake, racist, hatefilled, etc. in it. Just someone f'ing with ya or butt hurt.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:08am

    Re: Re: Re:

    My thoughts exactly. I hope that Parler ends up as advertised. It would be good to see civil discourse from all sides. Not that there is much civility online anyhow.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:11am

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Wow, drink the kool-aid much?

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    greg, 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:19am

    Distributed Web

    Look, everyone who wants free speech (truly, not lip-service) for everyone, we are having the wrong discussion. Facebook vs. Parler vs Twitter vs Gab... it's all bull because it is all centralized on their corporate server, the domain name is controlled on some centralized server, and everything posted to these services are at the mercy of terms of service agreements and government scrutiny that doesn't give a lick about what the users think. We need to change the paradigm and invest in distributed web research and upstarts. We need to change from host-oriented addressing to content-oriented addressing. We need to work on promoting mesh networking, peered protocols for everyday use, improvements in block chain processing. These are the best hope of a free internet.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:35am

    Re:

    Which is why I said I think we need clarification from the judiciary.

    My admittedly limited understanding is that if someone is deciding what should and shouldn't be published they are no longer a content platform. At that point they are publishers and need to be held accountable as such.

    Now, to your point, is it reasonable to expect social media companies to be able to police their content 100%? Clearly, that answer is no. Should they be liable? Possibly. To what extent? I don't know.

    I would think if something is reported multiple times and is clearly a violation of law- inciting violence for instance- and they do nothing then they would/should be liable. It would be a high burden of proof for whomever is prosecuting, as it should be.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:43am

    Re: Re:

    The judiciary is clear, though.

    if someone is deciding what should and shouldn't be published they are no longer a content platform

    is pure bullshit.

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    Toom1275 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 10:43am

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You promised us facts.

    Do you intend to deliver on that any time soon?

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:07am

    Re: Re:

    My admittedly limited understanding is that if someone is deciding what should and shouldn't be published they are no longer a content platform.

    And just what do you think that moderation is? Section 230 allows moderation, which is exactly that, deciding what should remain published, and what should be removed.

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    RealmanPwns, 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:13am

    Sounds like Liberal Trolls are Butthurt!

    From Parler: -- To the people complaining on Twitter about being banned on Parler. Please pay heed: Here are the very few basic rules we need you to follow on Parler. If these are not to your liking, we apologize, but we will enforce: - When you disagree with someone, posting pictures of your fecal matter in the comment section WILL NOT BE TOLERATED -Your Username cannot be obscene like “CumDumpster” -No pornography. Doesn’t matter who, what, where, when, or in what realm. - We will not allow you to spam other people trying to speak, with unrelated comments like “Fuck you” in every comment. It’s stupid. It’s pointless, Grow up. -You cannot threaten to kill anyone in the comment section. Sorry, never ever going to be okay. If ever in doubt, ask yourself if you would say it on the streets of New York or national television.

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    This Article Seems Biased, 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:26am

    This Article Seems Biased

    Can you show the actual content that got banned instead of people just claiming they didn't do anything so we can judge independently for ourselves? Or is this just a hit piece?

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    pd, 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:31am

    Libs get a dose of their own medicine

    I love it when liberals complain about hypocrisy. The entire point of banning liberals is to expose their own hypocrisy. BAN, BAN, BAN all LIBERALS!

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    Cankles, 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:40am

    Re: Moron

    Take that computer and shove the whole thing, including speakers, up your azz, moron.

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    No, 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:51am

    Re: Libs get a dose of their own medicine

    Is this really what you want? Two separate echo chambers where each political group sits around and talks about how right they are? If you're not able to handle reading an opinion counter to yours, maybe you're not very grounded in your beliefs?

    Moreover, this article doesn't even cover what these users did to get banned. It demands absolute proof of the banning of politically right speech on Twitter while providing no proof of banning politically left speech on Parlor. Without revisions, this article is a personal victory lap for the author, not news of any sort. Pretending like this is some actual victory for anyone is absurd. This article is a victory for willful ignorance and confirmation bias.

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:51am

    Re: Re: Re:

    If you look at section 230 cases you see that it applies to defamatory statements, IP and a select few other situations. They aren't liable for defamatory statements and only really lose immunity if they promise to remove and don't or materially change what is posted. There is nothing I can find relating to criminal activity beyond that. At least, nothing seems to be mentioned in the brief material on case laws regarding 230.

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    bhull242 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:55am

    Re: Re:

    Not like yours is any better.

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    bhull242 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 11:57am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    As far as I can tell, many of those who post here are closer to libertarian than leftwing.

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    No, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:09pm

    Re:

    Are you referring to this article as the "rational independent thought"?

    This article contains hearsay and personal views of the author, so I think calling it "independent" could be potentially accurate, however, it's anything but rational.

    1. What did the users who were banned from Parlor say to get banned?

    2. Why does the author require absolute proof of the banning of politically right speech on Twitter while not offering the same level of proof for the alleged banning of politically left speech on Parlor?

    This is nothing more than confirmation bias and personal victory lap for the author.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:13pm

    Re: Distributed Web

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    azkid (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:14pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Ok, once more, 230 covers defamatory remarks specifically and a few other select situations. It doesn't cover criminal liability.

    If a paper publishes an editorial/letter to the editor that moves to incite violence they can be held liable for damages. 230 does not address this.

    What is the liability to social media if they remove some posts that are designed to create violence but not others? That's my underlying question.

    There is a reason I ask this. I saw someone claiming that they were banned for calling on people to protect monuments that protesters said they were going to take down.

    Of course, the person claiming this didn't show/say exactly what he originally posted but conveniently had a screen cap of the protester calling for the monument to be toppled.

    If the counter-protester had his post removed and the protesters didn't would Twitter be liable for any destruction or violence incited by the protesters removing the statue since they chose to let that post remain?

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    bhull242 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:14pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Do you have any evidence that it’s not the community?

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:15pm

    Re: Re: Libs get a dose of their own medicine

    And, yes, some people are claiming that Parler's quick trigger finger is mostly about shutting down "left" leaning accounts, but as with Twitter's content moderation, I won't say that for sure unless I see some actual evidence to support it.

    Same standard being applied, in that is a request for proof of bias. Besides which, the article was not about political bias, but rather that a so called free speech site moderates its users.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:19pm

    You do realize this is a honey trap to get conservatives' phone and hence all private information, right?

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    Smartacus, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:32pm

    Ha Ha

    So a bunch of lefties decide to try to ruin something and got told to pound sand for a change. Cry me a river.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:39pm

    "Pretty much all of my leftist friends joined Parler to screw with MAGA folks" This says it all right here.....

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    bhull242 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:45pm

    Re: This Article Seems Biased

    The people claiming it didn’t present that information.

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    That One Guy (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 12:54pm

    'You want that, you go to the chans.'

    No social media company is going to deliberately choose to spend time and money hosting a filth-filled free-for-all copy of their main platform(or at least not for long), as if someone likes that sort of stuff there are already sites they can go to.

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    Your Master, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:08pm

    Re:

    Its not free speech when i can't go and threaten to murder people for their views!

    Communists are the stupidest people on the planet. An entire group of envious losers who are either incapable of, or don't want to earn anything themselves.

    But sharing is caring right?

    Capitalism separates those who are smart and those who are poor. I hope you try your revolution, i want to be able to slaughter righteously.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:10pm

    Re: Re:

    Semicolon to that brother.

    Semicolon.

    FYI: 'Semicolon' is 'Amen' to members of 'The First Church of Christ, Computer Programmer'

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:20pm

    Re: The point of free speech

    The bottom line is, as always, is that right wingers are liars and hypocrites. Hypocrisy is their life blood ... they could not function without it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:31pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You apparently aren't aware of how transparently stupid and dishonest you are.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Got it ... you're a dishonest imbecile, a maggot, and a s**tstain on humanity. Please do not ever wear a mask.

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    Rocky, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:35pm

    Re: Re: The point of free speech

    Not all of them, there are actually sane people on the right but they are drowned out by the loudmouths and the knuckle-draggers who have high-jacked the political right.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:36pm

    Re: Re:

    "It found that cloth masks were worse than wearing nothing at all. "

    Wrong, you lying moron.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:38pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "yes there was a control arm"

    As he said, you stupid maggot. You can't even read the comments you're responding to, let alone the study you cited.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:41pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You are a profoundly stupid maggot. Please do the world a favor and get hit by a truck.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You've been caught lying with every breath, you stupid right wing maggot. Nothing legitimate about you scum.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:45pm

    Re: Re:

    You're an evil racist sack of pus who really doesn't deserve to live.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:49pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You're lying, as all right wingers do incessantly.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:50pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You're a stupid lying maggot, as all right wingers are.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:52pm

    Re: Re: Re: The point of free speech

    You're a dishonest right wing asshole, thick boy.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 1:54pm

    no honest platform requires your keys to the kingdom: your SMS capable phone number. In this CONTACT TRACING police state age, you are insane to sign up with your wallet's contents in plain view, also called your SMART PHONE NUMBER. The NSA has owned all phone communication streams for at least 10 years now. Just ask Edward Snowden. AVOID PARLER LIKE THE PLAGUE. And I do not mean the Plandemic fake Kung-flu. Take a look at this: AlPacino.com

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 2:49pm

    What a crock of shit from these loser deep state shill hack dip wads ... don't trust a thing they say.

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    Anonymous Patriot, 30 Jun 2020 @ 2:56pm

    Re:

    Hopefully you'll become "toxic" and de-platformed, permanently disemployed and de-banked by the monopolies.

    Banks and payment processors, who've been given a monopoly on the issuance of unbacked credit, should be required to serve any lawful customer.

    The same goes for Internet infrastructure companies who provide DNS, anti-DDoS, cloud hosting and the like.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:04pm

    Evil, Fascism and Hives

    You are evil, and fascist, and represent the collective, the Hive.

    OH GREAT NYALARTHOTEP YOU FOUND ME OUT -- wait...no. It appears I am compelled neither by the power of Christ nor by American jingoist chants. You can USA...USA... at me all you want, and I will not burst into flames but be mildly annoyed. Feel free to try, though. It is entertaining.

    We are each obligated to define for ourselves what is the enemy. I don't define you as the enemy, rather I see you as a pitiable victim who just might be incapable of comprehending the social mechanics necessary to organize a nation of millions. I get it you want to be led by who feels right, and have policy that feels good. But that doesn't work unless your nation is just a few dozen hunters who migrate across the plains every year. Once you start down the path of agriculture, society gets complicated.

    I get it if you need to demonize those who disagree with you. It's a common human failing and even geniuses sometimes fail to overcome it. I'll be your enemy if it helps you feel better. Grarr. Curses. I'm going to get you Dorthy and your little dog too.

    But given I live in the United States of America, it is demonstrably a fascist police state run by an administration, a captured senate and a captured Supreme Court that accepts and encourages a fascist agenda. It's a strict plutocratic oligarchy that pretends to be a democracy on election day. As an American citizen I do live under these institutions whether I choose to or not. I dissent from the mechanisms they use to stay in power, but our institutions don't listen to me. Rather they certainly would regard me as evil and ultimately will send me to the camps (sooner than than they'll come for you, at least), but for the moment I am a lesser concern.

    Aas for hive mentality, observe that I don't represent my opinions with the collective we as if I stand with a unified front of activists and freedom fighters behind me. Rather I am acutely aware of how individual my opinions are. The facts they're based on, however, are ours to consider or ignore. You may choose to stand with larger institutions in order to share purpose or feel that power, but in doing so, you give up your own autonomy, which you will discover once you are ordered to engage in duties contrary to your conscience. When Tomi Lahren, for instance, had to reposition herself from pro-abortion-access to strictly a-fertilized-egg-is-a-person pro-life. You can see how her soul cracked between the videos before and after she was reconditioned to toe the line, and liberal tears never quite tasted the same since.

    Feel free to elaborate on who this we is, other than the royal we or the feline we. Who else is in lockstep along with you?

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    YouthGoneBy (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:11pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Terrorist may be a stretch but he certainly is, or at least was, a communist. The man was from the Tigray province, which was the support base for the communist party up until I believe 1995. He was in government as early as 1991, so to say he was not a communist is simply not accurate.

    That communist party saw major financing from the Chinese communist party. That's not necessarily damning, nations help like-minded nations all the time.

    I'm only replying to point out that the man was in fact a communist, and a member of a communist party with financial ties to China, and then as head of the WHO certainly seemingly, and I stress seemingly, softened any pandemic related press releases with China in mind.

    We could also get into WHO treatment of places like Hong Kong and Taiwan. So, I think having a rational discussion about the mans motives is not out of the question. It's natural.

    For my part I'm against Tedros. Not because of his politics, but because of the office he holds. States rights is where I stand in all things, and I do not believe that organizations like the UN and WHO can coexist with national identity. It has to be one or the other, and I choose national identity.

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    Orn Eagle, 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:12pm

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    All these commies bitching are Hillary strikers and Bite-Me lickers; can't you tell?

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    Toom1275 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:17pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Rulings you're ignoring:

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    Toom1275 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:18pm

    Re: Re:

    Hopefully, you'll seek help for your hard drug habits so you can free yourself from deranged hallucinations like those.

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    Sorin, 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:25pm

    Nice to see leftards moaning!

    For far too long the leftards thought THEY are the ones to ban what is not going on Left narrative. Glad to see them moaning when have a taste of their own medicine!

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    YouthGoneBy (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:38pm

    Trying times

    Lengthy comment with a conservative viewpoint disclaimer.

    I remember a few years back there were stories running that had claimed Russia supported neither candidate, or both, depending on your take. The story was that they were simply sowing discontent. That story was backed by then head of the FBI.

    Fast forward a few years. Go to ZeroHedge and read the comments, or to Brietbart. Go to The Hill, or The Times, or Vanity Fair.

    Notice the broken English, the ad hoc attacks, the deflective answers?

    What if all this "public discourse" wasn't really public discourse at all? I built my wife's gaming PC but I'm not a techie, you guys are and would know more than me the capabilities that exist.

    Could a foreign power aggregate, somehow, a network of user accounts to post conflicting viewpoints to stir the pot? The FBI thought so, as did Twitter and Facebook.

    Did that ever stop happening? What would years of fake hyper partisanship actually look like when a real and actual crisis hit? People lose their jobs, fear for their lives, fear for government overreach, and maybe all that hyperbole starts looking like truth.

    Maybe some cop, who knew George Floyd and worked with George Floyd for a decade (bet you didn't know that), settles an old perceived beef with him in a horrific way, unknowingly providing the gasoline to the tinderbox that was America. Maybe the news runs the story as "racist cop" because that sells more papers than "personal beef." Who knows. I'm certainly not pretending racism isn't out there, and I agree it's atrocious, I'm just floating a scenario.

    Let me ask a question. Do any of you personally know any extremists? I work in rural Kentucky at an automotive plant. I'd say I'd qualify as about as stereotypical country as it gets. I don't hate democrats. I don't hate black people, or liberals either. I don't agree with most Democrat policies, I don't partake in most "black culture," and I can't relate to liberals at all. But I don't hate them, and moreover I respect their right to think and talk and vote however the hell they want.

    Do any of you personally know any far right extremists? I rather doubt it.

    Until we can admit that CNN and FOX both have an agenda, and that agenda is to SELL news, then there's no way forward for us. That's a tragedy because we're not talking about the real elephant in the room.

    We live in an age when we have to decide if "hate speech" is even a term, or is it just speech that someone doesn't like? If it is a term, is it or ought it to be illegal? If it's illegal, then why is it not protected under the constitution and should we amend it?

    How can a free and open society combat hostile foreign powers in a digital age without also trampling civil liberties? These are the conversations we need to be having. Instead, we're looting Target and arguing about masks.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:38pm

    Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

    We believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    I highly doubt this. I think you want the status quo so long as you have food security and shelter security and income security for you and yours. Maybe it's easier to believe that the inalienable rights Jefferson wrote of are still respected when police aren't directly hunting and shooting you. (I'm still hung up about Philando Castile who was pulled over at least 49 times for minor offenses until they found excuse to murder him. The father of my grandson is pulled over a lot for minor shit as well, and I can't help but wonder if it's only a matter of time before law enforcement kills him.)

    Do you revel in the inequality in our society when it affects groups that you don't like?

    I suspect you give no fucks that large swaths of our population are oppressed by the system, often imprisoned for it or beaten to pulp for it. Sometimes they get killed by it. Do you care?

    I suspect you also give no fucks about the civilians firebombed by US drone strikes which number higher than all the gun deaths put together in North America. Yes, it was started in the Obama administration. Yes, Bush was sweeping villages with mercenaries and detaining and torturing people -- Americans even -- without due process. (I expect my elected officials to operate in accordance to their oath and an ethical standard of conduct, it doesn't matter to me what party they belong to when they don't.) Considering the atrocities committed by our nation within its borders, the atrocities committed by our nation outside its borders are way worse. (We don't torture. We hire non-Americans to torture for us.) Do you care?

    And I suspect you give no fucks about the population of the US suffering the highest incarceration rate globally, in which we demonize and dehumanize our inmates, as demonstrated by our lack of concern when COVID-19 moved like brushfire through the penal system. I suspect you give no fucks that over half of our inmates were sentenced disproportionately to minor crimes or convicted falsely (100.00% incarceration rate, 90% conviction rate. Convictions rather than fair adjudications are what accelerate political careers.) Do you care?

    We believe in Free Speech, Individual Liberty and the Rule of Law

    Except the US has a clear long history of a stratified justice system that pushes warm bodies into our prison system as above, and lets law enforcement, judges and the wealthy walk away with light sentences (if the DoJ just doesn't refuse to prosecute them).

    Much like the Tea Party and the Bush-era Republican party, it appears you only believe in these notions as rights when they apply just to you and your immediate buddies, and not to anyone outside of your Facebook friends list. It's been demonstrated by the Trump administration and by his supporters and followers this inconsistency is true to type for all of them.

    To be fair, that's what feels good. We all want to be Harry Potter, special, chosen, on Team Good Guys, part of a small cadre of elites. It's normal to hold dear to beliefs and ideologies that feel good. I get it. Mongo only pawn in game of life.

    We want to elect officials that feel right even when they are helping their buddies rob the nation and are only accelerating the nation's downfall. I can't blame you. We can't blame human beings for tragedized commons. It's what we do.

    So, personally, I only wonder if the catastrophe can be prevented, or I should start grieving now that it's going to come crashing down people people will still be blaming immigrants, minorities, Muslims and liberals as they plummet.

    Feel-good me-only policy is just not realistic. Not in a nation of 320 million people, for which we get electricity, running water, cell phone service, fresh fruit imported to our corner store, the internet and a space program. For all that you have to strive for a pluralistic society in which the welfare of everyone is regarded. Or it comes apart.

    If you expect the underclass to live by harder rules than you, it means you'll have to suffer the consequences when they no longer consent to doing their bit for your pleasure. And if you decide to do what the police are trying to do and force them to it, well, again, either you get a fascist police state chewing up its own populace or a horrible and bloody revolution. And neither of those are a good look for a civilization.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 3:50pm

    Socialist Utopia

    You believe in a Socialist Utopia.

    I don't believe in any form of government. I've come to learn that I don't have the answers. There are brighter, more educated minds than mine trying to develop that more perfect union, and they don't know what kind of government is going make for the next thousand year reign.

    I'm okay with not having all the answers. Finding an ideal enough state that won't fall apart in a couple of centuries is a complicated problem.

    But we have a fuckton of ideas as to how to make our nation better, how to make it more public-serving, how to deconsolidate power, how to make elections more meaningful.

    And we don't do them. None of them. Even the no-brainers. Even when (as we've discovered) the checks and balances our branches are supposed to have don't check or balance.

    Right now, as so much of our government is captured, we're desperately looking for alternatives to the fourth box of liberty and there's just nothing there.

    And now that our fascist police state is entirely unmasked, and we know that no-one in the federal government is going to do a thing about it, it's no longer a matter of if things flash, but when. I suspect in the next couple of years we'll have another spot in the street that will eventually be marked with a big brass seal commemorating the people massacred there. And another barrage of gunfire will be heard around the world.

    And everyone will have underestimated just how horrible it is to watch the Tree of Liberty feed.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:36pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    The problem is only that "moderation" is an extremely vague term.

    At which point does it cease to be content moderation and become content curation? Certainly doing the latter is what content providers do, not interactive computer services.

    It's like the distinction between expression and idea in copyright. Very muddled.

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    LOL, 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:37pm

    crry babby faagggots

    Wow, all the cry baby leftist faggots screaming about FREE SPEECH, how fucking hilarious.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:43pm

    Re: crry babby faagggots

    Reading comprehension not your strong suit, eh?

    No one is "screaming about free speech". We're just pointing out that you and your friends pretended that what you really wanted was free speech... until you got it, and people started making fun of the fact that you're dumber than a box of rocks.

    Then suddenly you guys started banning left and right... and everyone's making fun of you for being hypocrites.

    No one cares or is upset about being banned from Parler. None of the people banned want to be on Parler. They're just doing it to prove the point that when you claim you wanted free speech, you were full of shit.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:47pm

    Re: Misleading Headline?

    Hey azkid. Since you appear to have showed up here to discuss this earnestly, and not troll like a bunch of others, I'm happy to respond to your questions.

    Did they get banned because Parler didn't like their political stance or because they were trying to push the system to purposely see what it took to get banned?

    It's mostly the latter, which is catching some of the former, but neither one matters with regards to the point of this article. The article was simply to explain that Parler was misrepresenting itself when it claimed that it would only takedown speech that was unprotected by the 1st Amendment. As such it doesn't matter why -- other than that it was speech they had otherwise promised to host.

    The one admits that a group joined just to "screw with MAGA folks" and another admits to doing it to "[call] them out on their sketchy legal tactics."

    Right. But both of those things are protected by the 1st Amendment. And Parler insisted that it would keep such speech up. And then did not.

    In other words, as we pointed out last week, Parler is discovering what every other social media platform discovers over time: you have to weed out trolls or your site just becomes garbage. No one is complaining about that decision -- just mocking the fact that they (and their fans) pretended it wouldn't go that route.

    Taking a punch at Parler is great if it's deserved but they never claimed they were the wild west where anything and everything goes.

    Yes, they literally did claim they were the wild west where anything goes. Over and over and over again in the press they said that they would leave up any speech that didn't violate the 1st Amendment and that they were the "free speech alternative" to other social media sites.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:49pm

    Re: Re: Re: Misleading Headline?

    Personally, any platform censoring anyone (as is their right) needs to be treated as publishers under the law. That makes them liable for actions done as a result of their system.

    This is not at all how the law works. See here: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello-youve-been-referred-here-because-youre- wrong-about-section-230-communications-decency-act.shtml

    I would suggest reading that post, because almost everything you claim about Section 230 is wrong.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:53pm

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    You can debate what it means my "provides or enables computer access... to a computer server" but a plain reading of the code doesn't imply content platforms.

    Yes it does, and every single court has held it does. And the authors of the bill say it does.

    230 clearly refers to a service provider as not being liable for the illegal actions of its users- such as people pirating software or music or someone putting out illegal content (child porn, classified information, etc). It doesn't (and really couldn't at the time) take into account social media.

    This is wrong on multiple levels. Child porn (federal crime) is exempted from 230 so 230 literally does not apply to it. Pirating is intellectual property. Section 230 literally exempts all intellectual proprerty.

    And, yes, Section 230 literally takes into account social media. The law was written in response to a lawsuit about two early social media platforms (Compuserve and Prodigy).

    You seem like you're trying to understand this stuff, but you have almost everything backwards.

    Without judicial or federal clarification I would hesitate to apply it to content platforms.

    There have been dozens upon dozens of cases. All have said that 230 applies. What more "judicial clarification" do you want?

    Again, that doesn't mean that 230 doesn't apply to those platforms but it needs clarified and revised as the technology has changed. There needs to be clarification as to whether platforms like Twitter/FB or Parler would qualify.

    Do you know how many cases involving Twitter and FB have invoked 230? There are dozens. And every single one of them has said 230 applies to Twitter and FB.

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    Mike Masnick (profile), 30 Jun 2020 @ 4:55pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    If you look at section 230 cases you see that it applies to defamatory statements, IP and a select few other situations.

    No, it literally exempts intellectual property. I mean, you clearly have not read the law. Section (e)(2) says it in big letters: No effect on intellectual property law.

    You should perhaps try not to argue over a law you have not even read and one in which it appears you have zero familiarity with its history, purpose, and myriad case law.

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    Mike Masnick (