Research Libraries Tell Publishers To Drop Their Awful Lawsuit Against The Internet Archive

from the speak-up dept

I've seen a lot of people -- including those who are supporting the publishers' legal attack on the Internet Archive -- insist that they "support libraries," but that the Internet Archive's Open Library and National Emergency Library are "not libraries." First off, they're wrong. But, more importantly, it's good to see actual librarians now coming out in support of the Internet Archive as well. The Association of Research Libraries has put out a statement asking publishers to drop this counter productive lawsuit, especially since the Internet Archive has shut down the National Emergency Library.

The Association of Research Libraries (ARL) urges an end to the lawsuit against the Internet Archive filed early this month by four major publishers in the United States District Court Southern District of New York, especially now that the National Emergency Library (NEL) has closed two weeks earlier than originally planned.

As the ARL points out, the Internet Archive has been an astounding "force for good" for the dissemination of knowledge and culture -- and that includes introducing people to more books.

For nearly 25 years, the Internet Archive (IA) has been a force for good by capturing the world’s knowledge and providing barrier-free access for everyone, contributing services to higher education and the public, including the Wayback Machine that archives the World Wide Web, as well as a host of other services preserving software, audio files, special collections, and more. Over the past four weeks, IA’s Open Library has circulated more than 400,000 digital books without any user cost—including out-of-copyright works, university press titles, and recent works of academic interest—using controlled digital lending (CDL). CDL is a practice whereby libraries lend temporary digital copies of print books they own in a one-to-one ratio of “loaned to owned,” and where the print copy is removed from circulation while the digital copy is in use. CDL is a practice rooted in the fair use right of the US Copyright Act and recent judicial interpretations of that right. During the COVID-19 pandemic, many academic and research libraries have relied on CDL (including IA’s Open Library) to ensure academic and research continuity at a time when many physical collections have been inaccessible.

As ARL and our partner library associations acknowledge, many publishers (including some involved in the lawsuit) are contributing to academic continuity by opening more content during this crisis. As universities and libraries work to ensure scholars and students have the information they need, ARL looks forward to working with publishers to ensure open and equitable access to information. Continuing the litigation against IA for the purpose of recovering statutory damages and shuttering the Open Library would interfere with this shared mutual objective.

It would be nice if the publishers recognized this, but as we've said over and over again, these publishers would sue any library if libraries didn't already exist. The fact that the Open Library looks just marginally different from a traditional library, means they're unlikely to let go of this stupid, counterproductive lawsuit.

Filed Under: cdl, controlled digital lending, copyright, fair use, libraries, nel, pandemic
Companies: association of research libraries, internet archive


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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jul 2020 @ 10:08pm

    That's Amazing!

    The anti-malaria drug that President Trump touted as a possible treatment for coronavirus, hydroxychloroquine, successfully lowered the death rate among hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the most recent study of the drug.

    The large-scale analysis, conducted by Henry Ford Health System, was published Thursday in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Infectious Diseases.

    The study examined 2,541 patients who had been hospitalized in six hospitals between March 10 and May 2, 2020.

    More than twenty-six percent (26.4%) of patients who did not receive hydroxychloroquine died.

    But among those who received hydroxychloroquine, fewer than half that number — 13% — died.

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jul 2020 @ 10:23pm

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      And what about those who had bleach injections, then?

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        Anonymous Coward, 2 Jul 2020 @ 10:32pm

        Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

        More than 90% of the patients received hydroxychloroquine within 48 hours of admission to the hospital. Scientists say giving the drug early during illness may be a key to success.

        The study’s authors also found one concern flagged in previous reports about hydroxychloroquine did not materialize: heart-related adverse events.

        "The data here is clear that there was benefit to using [hydroxychloroquine] as a treatment for sick, hospitalized patients," said Dr. Steven Kalkanis of Henry Ford Health System.

        The study scientists point out that other reports about hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for coronavirus that had less positive, mixed, or negative results studied different populations; administered hydroxychloroquine later during illness; used different doses, and/or were not peer-reviewed.

        President Trump was widely criticized in the media for saying that if hydroxychloroquine proves to work in treating coronavirus, it could be a game changer.

        In May, he told reporters that he, himself, took a course of the drug as a preventive measure after several White House officials were diaagnosed with Covid-19. Trump says he suffered no ill effects from hydroxychloroquine.

        Henry Ford Health System is also studying 3,000 healthcare and frontline workers to see if hydroxychloroquine can prevent coronavirus. That study is titled: "Will Hydroxychloroquine Impede or Prevent COVID-19" or "WHIP COVID-19."

        However, the study scientists say negative publicity and safety concerns about hydroxychloroquine — some of which they say is inaccurate or out of context — has made it difficult to recruit enough volunteers to take part.

        Techdirt was part of that disgusting and totally wrong negative publicity - do you want to publicly apologize for you stupidity?

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          OGquaker, 2 Jul 2020 @ 11:03pm

          Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 1:56am

            Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

            American Conservative Union
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            “Let’s look inside the numbers. Yes, let’s take this seriously ... but let’s be calm and rational about how we approach this, and America will get through it,” - @mschlapp calls for a reasoned approach to #COVID19 on today’s America’s Newsroom.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:50am

              let’s be calm and rational about how we approach this, and America will get through it

              Trump supporters have protested against wearing face masks in public. “Be[ing] calm and rational” won’t help a goddamn thing in a country where a good chunk of people take pride in their irrationality — to the detriment of everyone else.

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              PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 7:19am

              Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

              Yes, you've proven that you follow a lot of uninformed idiots on Twitter. So?

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          PaulT (profile), 2 Jul 2020 @ 11:18pm

          Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

          "Techdirt was part of that disgusting and totally wrong negative publicity - do you want to publicly apologize for you stupidity?"

          No. Criticism of Trump for claiming that it was some kind of wonder drug that will cure COVID patients and pushing it against then-current medical advice does not change just because some trials after the fact finds that it has some efficiency (though not the miracle cure he was claiming).

          But, that is irrelevant now anyway, since the incompetence of this administration knows no bounds. Trump has managed to both encourage states to open their economies up way before they were ready, and has politicised the wearing of masks to such a degree that people are being attacked for either wearing one or telling customers to wear one. The result of this and other factors - the US is heading on a massive rise in infection that is going to cause a lot more Americans to die.

          As of yesterday as I write this - the US has 57,238 new cases - a daily record - and shows signs of accelerating. Several states have already started locking back down and are reporting facilities already over capacity. People will die, and the snake oil your con man in chief was trying to sell won't save you, even if it turns out it wasn't just snake oil.

          For contrast, life here where I live is pretty good, and mostly back to normal. Low daily cases, no spikes during carefully phased reopening, travel has opened up to a large chunk of the world (though we ban the plague rats from the US) and because people don't argue with common sense things like insisting on some social distancing where possible and wearing masks where it is not, it should be a good summer.

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            Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 8:26pm

            Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

            Even if the "snake oil" is not "snake oil"? Is that a reasonable summary of your position? You wouldn't take it because the it was "over-rated" by the Orange Monster?

            Here's a simple question - if you had Covid-19, based on this recent study, would you choose to take it or not?

            Either it is snake oil, or it is life saving medical treatment. Can't be both. Right?

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              PaulT (profile), 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:29pm

              Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

              "Here's a simple question - if you had Covid-19, based on this recent study, would you choose to take it or not?"

              I would do whatever a doctor - not a multi-time bankrupt con artist who couldn't even run a casino profitably - advised me to do.

              "Either it is snake oil, or it is life saving medical treatment. Can't be both. Right?"

              Of course it can. If the claims made during the sale do not match the actual effect of the drug, you're selling it as snake oil, even if it does have some actual medicinal effects. Alex Jones, until he was recently told to stop lying by the FDA, was selling his supplements as cures for COVID. They absolutely were not that, but their combination of vitamins and minerals did have some real benefits. So, it was snake oil when compared to his claims, but not when compared to their actual properties.

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                Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:34pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                Good then, your moronic idiocy will soon put an end to you own life. Fitting. There was a name for this, right? The Darwin Effect. Ten to one you don't have children, and your genes will be gone from Planet earth without a trace because of your obvious fanaticism at the expense of your own health and well being. Darwin. You. Goodbye, you godless soulless devil. Your own stupidity will soon overwhelm you, and the rest of all won't even notice.

                I have children. I have grandchildren. That's an accomplishment. What have you accomplished, other than to darken this toilet with the stinky shit that you smear on the walls? Nothing?

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                  PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:30am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                  "Good then, your moronic idiocy will soon put an end to you own life."

                  Because I said I'd take medical advice if I were in need of it? Huh.

                  "I have children. I have grandchildren. That's an accomplishment"

                  Not really. Having a family that contributes to the world in a meaningful way is. I doubt that someone with the lack of knowledge and maturity that you display has done such a thing. You're probably just another breeding redneck who whines about socialism while leeching for the government for the spawn he can't afford to pay for on his own.

                  Assuming you're not just lying your ass off, as usual. But, what can you expect from a man who worships a mass murderer?

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                  Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:04am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                  "I have children. I have grandchildren. That's an accomplishment."

                  So your "achievement" is...having had viable spermetic cells?

                  And I'm sure you're raising them in the same fact-hostile manner you display here, meaning they'll probably live exactly until they hit some part of existence where being horribly wrong over disregarding factual evidence will actually kill them.

                  Yeah, I guess stupidity is a legacy. I personally wouldn't use that as a bragging point but I guess you have to go with what you actually have...

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                Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:43pm

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                snake oil
                /ˈsnāk ˌoil/
                noun INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
                a substance with no real medicinal value sold as a remedy for all diseases.

                Unless you're a leftist.

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                  PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:32am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                  Alternate definitions:

                  snake oil
                  SEE SYNONYMS FOR snake oil ON THESAURUS.COM
                  noun
                  any of various liquid concoctions of questionable medical value sold as an all-purpose curative, especially by traveling hucksters.
                  Slang. deceptive talk or actions; hooey; bunkum:
                  The governor promised to lower taxes, but it was the same old snake oil.

                  Those seem to fit. Especially since I'm referring to the time before it had any proven properties outside of the grifting con man's unproven claims.

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                Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:05am

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                Mark Levin
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                The disgusting, lying media fought the president tooth and nail for months telling us this drug was deadly. Every damn newsroom repeated this crap. Now they tell us it helped. How about apologizing to the American people and the president, you frauds.

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                  PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:33am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                  Hint: random copying tweets that agree with you is not proof of anything other than the fact that you have no real sources to quote, and you're too stupid to use your own words to formulate an argument.

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              Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:00am

              Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

              "Either it is snake oil, or it is life saving medical treatment. Can't be both. Right?"

              It certainly can and by now I really shouldn't be surprised that the average pro-trump troll keeps failing to reach the cognitive standards of five year olds.

              See, Chloroquine is toxic. The side effects can be lethal.

              In other words, self-medicating on chloroquine is likely more lethal than having Covid. And THAT is why the moron-in-chief's suggestion of chloroquine being a miracle cure is as deranged an argument as advocating self-medicated chemotherapy and radiation as a cure for cancer.

              Add as icing to the cake on this that in some cases chloroquine may have helped and in other cases not and what you have is the drug version of russian roulette where, unless you're really up shit creek, you wouldn't want to take chloroquine in the dosages assumed to be required without a whole team of expert surgeons standing by to tackle the side effects.

              And that's also why the loud orange in the white house is taking dosages of chloroquine WAY smaller than the dosages used in the emergency tests displaying positive results.

              I almost wish he didn't. Having him drop to the floor from intermittent extreme tachycardia, having seizures and/or vomit uncontrollable in front of the camera as a direct result of ingesting emergency dosages of chloroquine might help to show the Cult Of Trump their Great Fearless Leader was talking out of his ass again.

              Then again it might not. With numerous actual deaths and hospitalizations from demented trumpers drinking chloroquine and chlorox as suggested by the orange combover clown it's pretty telling the Trump Death Cult is still ready to take their dedication to their leader all the way.

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                Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:43am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                I see. Here's what I think about what you wrote:

                1) it is dense and complicated enough that it requires some level of cognitive ability - maybe high school level, but not advanced placement high school level.

                2) For those at high school level or higher, they can see right through your stupid arguments. Yes, taking any drug in the wrong dosage can be lethal. Drinking too much water can be lethal. Any idiot knows that. Current published and peer reviewed reports conclude without exception that this drug is a very effective treatment for the virus, and has saved many lives. Saved Lives. Get that? In short, Trump was right. Again.

                So, the only people swayed by your diatribe are those idiots that didn't even follow it. Is that the class of people you were hoping to persuade? Early teens? Impressionable young minds?

                Wait, are you an elementary or junior high school teacher? That could explain a lot. I've heard about people like you and your ideals. Are you a gay or lesbian elementary or junior high school teacher? That would explain even more.

                Or maybe are you a failed lawyer, who failed for obvious reasons. As a lawyer, you are paid to be persuasive. I think you flunked persuasion class, am I right?

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                  PaulT (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:54am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                  "Saved Lives"

                  ...and also cost lives: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/may/22/hydroxychloroquine-trumps-covid-19-cure-increases-de aths-global-study-finds

                  That's the problem here. There are known side-effects of the drug, those side effects can in some cases be riskier than not treating, and encouraging hoarding will remove access to the drug from people who need it for non-COVID related conditions. The above study is one of many, and there are different results being reported, but the fact is that any recommendation is bad if it's made before supporting medical evidence is available,

                  A sane, intelligent person would know this and not make any recommendations until it's actually been . Sadly, Trump is not one of those people. Even if he's vindicated 100% by medical evidence months later, it was highly irresponsible for him to make those pronouncements before the evidence was confirmed.

                  "Are you a gay or lesbian elementary or junior high school teacher? That would explain even more."

                  It mainly explains that you're a bigoted asshole who has a weird obsession with sexuality in places where it's irrelevant. Maybe you're compensating for something?

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                    Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 3:05am

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                    Hit a nerve, did I?

                    Your study is old. My study is new. My study specifically notes an absence of adverse side effects.

                    Go talk to a student, you can persuade them with force. I don't think you can persuade anyone else, and I don't think you care. That's pretty clear.

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                      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 5:32am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Cov

                      "Your study is old. My study is new. My study specifically notes an absence of adverse side effects."

                      And once again just trolling I see. It's your fallback isn't it, Baghdad Bob, when you've got nothing left.

                      Pro tip bro? Chloroquine isn't a new drug. The side effects exist no matter what disease you attempt to treat with it. Apparently the trump cult thinks chemicals are magical and change their effect depending on which incantation the witch doctor intones upon administering them...

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                        PaulT (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 11:06pm

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                        "Your study is old."

                        So? Has it been falsified or the conclusions disproven? Science doesn't care how new your study is, it cares about accuracy.

                        " My study is new."

                        Meaning that it hasn't had a chance to be falsified or peer reviewed properly yet?

                        "My study specifically notes an absence of adverse side effects."

                        ...and if you believe a single study because it tells you what you want to hear, rather than taking the broader consensus of the medical community, you're as dumb as Trump and don't belong anywhere near a discussion on science.

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                  Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 5:29am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Techdirt helped KILL people with Covid-19!

                  "Current published and peer reviewed reports conclude without exception that this drug is a very effective treatment for the virus..."

                  Nope. In fact that's exactly what published data isn't claiming.

                  "Yes, taking any drug in the wrong dosage can be lethal."

                  ...and the dosages used in the testing ARE in fact borderline lethal, at multiple times the amount where the warning labels start screaming at you.

                  "I've heard about people like you and your ideals. Are you a gay or lesbian...Or maybe are you a failed lawyer..."

                  Wrong on all counts - but thank you again for confirming that the most fanatic Trump cultists are rooted in bigotry and bad education first and foremost. Also thank you for showing that of all things a teacher seems to be the last person you'd go to as an information source.

                  The only problem I'm left with right now is that whether you are a bona fide trumpist or some troll pretending to be one in order to make the trump cult look bad you still aren't contributing anything at all to the debate since Trump keeps kicking his own arguments in the balls without any assistance. That you do the same won't add much.

                  Given that your posts only ever end up flagged and hidden as spam you certainly ARE starved for things to do.

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 5:00am

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          So no answer, then, despite your dear leader advocating injecting yourselves with bleach. Don't you believe in Trump, Hamilton? Why aren't you injecting yourself with bleach like he suggested?

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 1:54am

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            Kayleigh McEnany
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            Silicon Valley is against us.

            The Swamp is against us.

            The Radical Left & Antifa (one in the same) are against us.

            But we WILL prevail as President Trump leads us to law and order, peace and prosperity!

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              PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:33am

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              "The Swamp is against us"

              The swamp is the current administration.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:21am

              Silicon Valley is against us.

              If anything, Silicon Valley has bent over backwards to accomodate conservative voices. Look to how long it took Twitter, Facebook, etc. to do something about Alex Jones’s bullshit on their services or labelling Trump’s obvious lies as lies.

              The Swamp is against us.

              Donald Trump has been in office for over three years. If “the swamp” still exists, he has filled it with his people instead of…whoever was supposed to be in it before he “drained” it, I guess. Nobody can use “the swamp” as an excuse; at this point, the QAnon conspiracy theory has the tiniest bit more credibility than “the swamp is holding Trump back”.

              The Radical Left & Antifa (one in the same) are against us.

              Yes, I imagine the “radical left” would be against conservative policies. Yes, I imagine anti-fascists would be against fascist policies. And yes, conservative policies under Trump have begun to resemble fascist policies. But the United States doesn’t have either an organized “radical left” or an organized national anti-fascist group/movement. Anyone proclaiming them as “enemies” reeks of baseless fearmongering for the sake of scoring political points.

              Hell, Congress barely has any actual leftists in it. The overwhelming majority of congressional Democrats are either centrists or right of center. How many of them are pushing for any policy that is actually leftist (e.g., Medicare For All) instead of merely “something that Republicans don’t like”?

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      OGquaker, 2 Jul 2020 @ 11:22pm

      Re: That's Amazing!

      Please, start your own blog, https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-are-hoarding-unproven-coronavirus-medicine-by-writing-pre scriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families
      400,000 people on the African continent die of malaria EVERY YEAR, and hydroxychloroquine is their only defense. AMERKA 1st!
      (hydroxychloroquine saved Elon Musk twenty years ago, so we can excuse That tweet)

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        PaulT (profile), 2 Jul 2020 @ 11:36pm

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        "400,000 people on the African continent die of malaria EVERY YEAR, and hydroxychloroquine is their only defense. AMERKA 1st!"

        Which, indeed, is one of the reasons why people were advising against the drug, as well as things like N95 masks. Hoarding from greedy assholes triggered by irresponsible leadership will cause shortages for people who already need them for non-COVID reasons.

        A real leader understands this, and doesn't make announcements until the clinical trials for COVID efficiency are complete, and/or there's enough supply to guarantee every gets what they need (which, by the way, includes treatment for things like lupus in the US, so it's not just overseas requirements being screwed).

        Sadly, there's no real leader in the White House, and an idiot who still thinks in terms of grifting and ratings.

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 7:54am

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          Ah, but you see, the Dear Leader has great intuition and his intuition told him that hydroxychloroquine was a wonder drug against covid19. It must be true because he is very intuitive with great intuition which is very good. And we know this because his intuition tells him that his intuition is never wrong.

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            Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 12:12pm

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            Doctors and scientists everywhere are amazed at how much he understands.

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              Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 8:31pm

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              "Hoarding from greedy assholes" - Do you mean like Cuomo, or China?

              "Irresponsible leadership" Did you mean the WHO or NYC?

              "an idiot who still thinks in terms of grifting and ratings" .... could that be you?

              ... Just asking

              Signed, Joey BagODonuts

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                Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:08am

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                Team Trump
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                The best way to show your patriotism is by registering to VOTE!

                Register Republican TODAY and make your vote count for President Trump in November! 🇺🇸

                LeadRight

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                  Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:23am

                  The best way to show your patriotism is by registering to VOTE!

                  “Unless you’re Black, in which case you need to stay home because have you seen all those Karens out there?” — Republican operatives, probably

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                  Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 11:58am

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                  Only sheep need a leader.

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 12:11pm

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          Well, sort of, excepting all the tons of N95 masks we air-shipped to China for profit while SARS-CoV2 was already becoming a crisis in the States. It was not merely OK'd, but encouraged.

          It's fine to share, but this wasn't sharing, and certainly other places could have used masks, as well as the States.

          Hoarding and Profiteering. Welcome to "America".

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            Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:59pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: That's Amazing!

            ALX 🇺🇸
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            ‪BREAKING: President Trump is signing an Executive Order to establish the “National Garden of American Heroes, a vast outdoor park that will feature the statues of the greatest Americans to ever live.”‬

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            Lee Zeldin
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            Greatest nation in the world!

            Our flag, freedoms, liberties, & constitution have been fought for and protected at the highest cost by the strongest, most courageous men & women ever.

            I unapologetically ❤️ 🇺🇸 and will defend her against anyone who wants to tear her down.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:26am

              Greatest nation in the world!

              [citations needed for pretty much every possible objective aspect that we could use to define “greatness” in comparison to other countries (e.g., the percentage of people living at or below the poverty line, the average education level, the average level of unemployment, the numbers for COVID-19 infections and deaths)]

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                Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 5:43am

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                No, well, the US IS the current world leader in Covid-19 deaths without fail. AND miles ahead of any other nation in new infectees.

                Also, no other country can boast to have managed to bolster their amount of deaths by an entire vietnam war's worth solely because of inept and delayed response.

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                  PaulT (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 11:09pm

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                  "No, well, the US IS the current world leader in Covid-19 deaths without fail. AND miles ahead of any other nation in new infectees."

                  The figures as I check them this morning - still over 50,000 new infections reported a day. Being a lagging indicator, deaths haven't started spiking significantly yet, but with reports of how badly over capacity some hospitals are in the US, that spike should be coming soon.

                  ...and of course that's just official figures. Some states are still trying to claim low COVID deaths while waving away the large rise in pneumonia deaths that just happen to be occurring at the same time.

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                    Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 7 Jul 2020 @ 3:56am

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                    "The figures as I check them this morning - still over 50,000 new infections reported a day. "

                    Oh, not to worry, those numbers will be coming down right soon since Trump is pulling federal funds from testing because - and this really wowed even me - "The more you test the more cases you find. It looks bad".

                    Every time you think the shouty orange can't sink deeper he proves you wrong...

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                      PaulT (profile), 7 Jul 2020 @ 4:42am

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                      Yeah, the tendency to hide information is worrying, and it's a major part of the reason why the US is in the state it's in at the moment.

                      The question is, does he hide enough to get re-elected, or does the next administration have competent leadership? Sadly, my guess is that it will still be a close race even after all of this, and if Biden gets in he'll be blamed for everything Trump did wrong, as they blamed Obama for W.'s failed economy.

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        Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:09am

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        "400,000 people on the African continent die of malaria EVERY YEAR, and hydroxychloroquine is their only defense."

        Yeah, quinine is an anti-malarial. Means it helps against the malaria parasite. Do we really need to inform you trumpers that a drug which works against one thing usually doesn't work against another?

        Boosting the dosages to many multiple times what is required to mitigate malaria has managed to...not actually kill covid patients in many cases, yes. Which is a good thing since chloroquine in those concentrations is so damn dangerous in its side effects.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 3 Jul 2020 @ 1:34am

      How has that drug helped stopped the still-rising surge in COVID cases within the United States, again? Because, y’know, those record-high numbers of cases and deaths are still reaching new heights every day.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 7:04pm

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        Fun fact: None of these drugs will prevent contracting or transmitting the virus. Some may, or may not, decrease the death rate in severe cases, or shorten the hospital stay. Maybe.

        So i really don't know why the Trump fandom bangs on about this. (Well, OK, i do know, but it makes no sense, which i suppose is par for the course.)

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 8:34pm

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          No, that's not it. It's a sign of trust. Trump, unlike the leftist media, unlike Techdirt, did not mislead us. Time and again, he was right about Nafta, he was right about China, he was right about the Wall, he was right about de-regulation and the benefits to America, and he was right about this drug and the benefits to Covid-19 victims. He was right. Again and again, over and over on and on forever. This recent study is just one more example, explained in detail, verified by health professionals, and with indisputable results. He'll be right again next time, and if he's not, so what, who's perfect? He's batting 1000 so far. This is just one more example in a long chain of examples why so many of us will elect him again. Trust. Reliability. Trump 2020

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            PaulT (profile), 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:24pm

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            As I read this on your Independence Day:

            United States
            Coronavirus Cases:
            2,890,588
            Deaths:
            132,101

            These numbers are accelerating.

            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52757150

            Earlier coronavirus lockdown 'could have saved 36,000 lives'

            "It suggested that 54,000 fewer people would have died had cities begun locking down on 1 March."

            Trump's words on the 9th March, over a week after incompetently missing that opportunity:

            “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.

            This idiot is getting you killed, while the rest of the world recovers their lives and their economies. I hope you're shocked at how many of your fellow Americans are not morons on voting day.

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              Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:29pm

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              Yeah, Nancy Pelosi is MUCH better! She invited everyone from SF to Chinatown to mingle, dance, eat and drink while Trump SHUT DOWN travel to and from China. Nancy was right! Let's make her president! She's a WINNER!

              Moron. Foreigner moron.

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                Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:47pm

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                Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC.

                CDC data. Tenth week of declining deaths. Great news, right? Right?

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                  PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:34am

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                  Deaths are a lagging indicator. Expect them to rise sharply soon, especially since some states are reporting that they don't have enough capacity to deal with current infection rates.

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                PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:36am

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                "Moron. Foreigner moron."

                That's OK, plague rat. I'll be fine in my non-infected area where I'm surrounded by people taking this seriously and not deliberately infecting everyone because they're too stupid to wear a mask in a shop.

                You enjoy the rise in deaths coming your way shortly, the blood of all of whom is on your hero's hands.

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                PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:41am

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                OHh and a quick observation - it's interesting that such a hateful xenophobic, faux-patriot such as yourself is choosing to spend the day of your nation's independence celebration trying to downplay the needless deaths of over 130,000 Americans for political points.

                Your country have fought wars over less, and with less casualties. I pity the poor heroes who died for your rights, only to have you use them in this way.

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:27am

                Trump SHUT DOWN travel to and from China

                Didn’t he do that well after COVID-19 cases were already on the rise in the United States? 🤔

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                  Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:06pm

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                  And didn't stop travel to and from Europe, which was already hot with the virus. Because he is a wise and stable genius.

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                    PaulT (profile), 5 Jul 2020 @ 10:39pm

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                    "And didn't stop travel to and from Europe, which was already hot with the virus."

                    That's worth repeating. Even if China was the origin of cases coming into the US, he was doing too little, too late. But, the racist moron was obsessed with blaming China for everything (when he wasn't claiming it was all a hoax, anyway), even as the majority of cases coming into New York were actually originating in Italy. IIRC, he was also trying to block travel from Mexico, despite them having lower numbers of cases than the US, because he saw it as a way to implement the racist policies he was already attempting, not actually address the issue at hand.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:10am

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                      Yeah, the cases came from Italy, everyone knows that! Italy is not China, and China is not Italy, racist! And why block travel from Mexico, they had lower numbers than the US! That's right! Mexico was low, Italy was High, and China had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! Why do you keep promoting the fake news about China when EVERYONE KNOWS Italy Invented the Virus! You are CORRUPT! You are White and you are OLD and you are RICH and we want to emulate the Chinese who are Yellow and Slanty Eyed and mostly POOR and had NOTHING TO DO with INFECTING THE WORLD with Covid-19! Nothing! Nothing! Italy did it!

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                  Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 7 Jul 2020 @ 4:51am

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                  "Didn’t he do that well after COVID-19 cases were already on the rise in the United States?"

                  Eh, it's a well known fact that shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted is better than listening to the book learnt experts who claim it'd be better to shut that door while the horse is still inside. These are the alternative facts which are better than, you know, the ones the leftists want to use all the time.

                  /s because no matter how demented the statement it still only sounds what a normal trump cultist might say.

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                Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:04pm

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                What the fuck does Chinatown SF have to do with China? Seems like your pointless insult to PaulIT has the answer in it.

                Lol, as if most people here think Pelosi is a good idea for... anything, really.

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                  PaulT (profile), 5 Jul 2020 @ 10:42pm

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                  "What the fuck does Chinatown SF have to do with China?"

                  Xenophobic racist idiots seem to be incapable of understanding that many people of Chinese origin are in fact Americans.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:15am

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                    Yes, that Xenophobic Homophobic Racist Orange Monster is INCAPABLE of UNDERSTANDING that MANY CHINESE are actually AMERICANS and were NEVER CHINESE even if they came directly from Wuhan China on the Chinese NEW YEAR and ate Chinese Food and Looked Chinese and spoke Chinese and had high fevers like Chinese it was the FOOD MARKET and not the Virology Lab that had BATS and VIRUS that NEVER ESCAPED and COULDN'T ESCAPE even though those BAD Americans said Wuhan had BAD SECURITY and OLD REFRIGERATORS and NO CELL PHONE COVERAGE going back to OCTOBER 2019 and the CHINESE DOCTOR that was DEAD because of NOT THE FLU he was just BAD and what about ITALY!

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            Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:26am

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            "He was right."

            Except that factually speraking, no, he was wrong in all of those examples you mentioned.

            China? Now have the exact trade treaty they wanted since, no surprise there, the "trade war" took exactly two weeks to screw the US far worse than it did China. You are bragging on Trump's behalf because he managed to negotiate a deal far shittier for the US than what was already in place. Xi Jin Ping is probably on his knees thanking heaven for putting him up against a complete idiot too out of his depth to notice.

            The Wall? You mean that partial fence which doesn't, in fact, stop anyone with a ladder, a rope, or the dozens of tunnels the mexican cartels keep building? Yeah, Trump spent billions of your tax money on a ceremonial picket fence. Way to go.

            De-regulation? You mean the part where in the last few years monopoly has become the norm of the US telco industry to the obvious detriment of US telco infrastructure? Unless you're owning stock in AT&T that's not a "win".

            "...and he was right about this drug..."

            Except he wasn't. Because if there was even a smidgeon of truth in what he keeps claiming chloroquine would have become the standard treatment in the rest of the world by now. You trump cultists are actually at the point now where you need the whole world to be in on a global conspiracy where they let their citizens die én másse simply to...spite Trump?

            "He's batting 1000 so far."

            Oh, lay off it. We all know exactly why you fanatical trump adherents are so happy with him. It's because he's that one president in modern times who cheerfully refers to neo-nazis as "Very Fine People". He's consistently just that small step short of referring to black people as n_ggers. THAT is why you love him and keep trying to make him out to be right even when even you guys can plainly see he's not.

            And Baghdad Bob? It's not like we don't all know this by now. Your tells, as usual, are as obvious as they always are when you try to wrap your diatribe of hatred in a marginally less offensive shit sandwich.

            I'd say you'd do better to just accept that the black man might indeed end up having the same value as a white man in the US, and learn to live with that - but I have little hope by now you'd prove to be that human.

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              Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:52am

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              Come on, I had you pegged from the beginning. Junior high teacher, right? Union member, right? Right?

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                Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 3:09am

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                "I had you pegged from the beginning. Junior high teacher, right? Union member, right? Right?"

                Nope. But i'm somehow not too surprised that a pro-trump cultist would think a teacher might be a bad source of information.

                Tell me, Baghdad Bob, do you have ANY days where you don't screw your own arguments quite so badly?

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                  That One Guy (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 5:26am

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                  You can tell a lot about a person by who and what they consider their enemies, and when that grouping includes education that tells you some really damning things about them and their positions.

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                    Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 7 Jul 2020 @ 5:03am

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                    "...and when that grouping includes education that tells you some really damning things about them and their positions."

                    It certainly does. But it's to be expected. A certain subset of the US citizenry feels sidelined and ostracized by just about everyone. It's as if there's a leftist global conspiracy targeting them with marginalization and scorn in all places and at all levels as soon as they start talking about the evils of the Black Man or the Proper Place For The Woman.

                    Naturally if the one and only places you can find likeminded people who don't shut you down is a Stormfront forum or the local KKK cross-burning convention everyone outside, including naturally school teachers trying to teach you decency and science are going to be the vanguard of the shadowy cabal set against you.

                    Not too difficult to understand why these people cling to Trump. He's their kind of people - only that he was born into fortune and managed to bullshit enough people to keep making money, through cheap scam and standard con man tactics.

                    To him of course, they're just more marks.

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      bhull242 (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:14pm

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      Irrelevant. Stay on the topic at hand.

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    OGquaker, 2 Jul 2020 @ 10:52pm

    Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandria

    sci-hub has been good to me

    My only problem is that Microsoft keeps building MORE clicks and more obstacles into using 'WordPad' and 'Paint', almost every 'search' of my desktop takes forever, (Corina is horridly difficult thing to turn off, if it is possible) and, because Microsoft posts my new files on their 'cloud' (i think) before indexing them, they are unavailable in local search for many minutes, in spite of this nine year old hard drive being less than half full:(
    This POS "10" is slower than MS-DOS cause Microsoft is deep in my pants.

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      Federico (profile), 3 Jul 2020 @ 12:01am

      Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandria

      Sounds like it's time for a change on your machine!
      https://www.getgnulinux.org/en/switch_to_linux/from_windows_to_linux

      Indexing can be quite taxing on a 9 years old hard drive. Some distributions have more flexible search indexing options than others.

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        OGquaker, 3 Jul 2020 @ 12:34am

        Re: Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandria

        Started on a Digital PDP-11/23 and later an Apollo DN300; Homie don't code. Linux & C++ is for rockets. You buying?

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 10:48am

          Re: Re: Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandria

          Install Ubuntu, or one of its derivatives, or any other user orientated distro, and in and in less than 1 hour you have a working system complete with office applications, media player etc. Want more application, and there they are in an app store for you to install then from, and not one glimpse of the command line.

          Also, I have a main machine running Debian testing, with updates most days, and not had any significant problems with it over the last six or seven years.

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            PaulT (profile), 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:13pm

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            CSB: I recently had a need to scan some documents, but having recently moved from working in fully equipped offices to 100% remote work, the only scanner I have is one that's over 10 years old. I tried it with my main MacOS Catalina system, only to find that support for the drivers was removed when they went full 64 bit and there's no downloadable replacement. I'm fixing a Windows 10 laptop for someone, so I tried with that, same issue - drivers no longer supported. So, what do I do - install a VM with an older OS and hope that works, do I go and hunt down a friend whose scanner I can use, or do I bite the bullet and spend money I haven't earned yet on a new scanner that I might not need again for another year?

            Nope, I also had an Ubuntu 20.04 LTS stick lying around. Boot from that on my Mac, boom, scanner immediately fires up and I get the documents sent. No installation or command prompt needed. While the other OSes have simply stopped supporting my scanner due to long-term infrastructure changes, it seems that Ubuntu never stopped.

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              Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:57pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandr

              Dinesh D’Souza
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              The near enemy—the socialist Left—is more dangerous to our way of life than the far enemy—radical Islam. And our task is all the more pressing because the near enemy is now allied with the far enemy #july4th

              Techdirt -> Leftism -> Islam -> FUCK THEM ALL! THEY ARE ONE EVIL!

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              MikeVx (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:52pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandr

              Windows drivers come and go, Linux drivers accumulate.

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 12:25pm

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          Just keep fighting with your Win 10, then.

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            PaulT (profile), 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:54pm

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            On July 3, 2020, President Trump stood in front of giants FOREVER memorialized in the stone of Mt Rushmore & delivered an emphatic defense of US history, courage, patriotism, resolve, strength, & resiliency. These remarks must be listened to, heeded & passed down to our children.

            Thanks for doing you part, Techdirt.

            Lee Zeldin
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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:30am

              giants FOREVER memorialized in the stone of Mt Rushmore

              I met a traveller from an antique land
              Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
              Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
              Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
              And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
              Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
              Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
              The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
              And on the pedestal these words appear:
              'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
              Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
              Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
              Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
              The lone and level sands stretch far away.

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              bhull242 (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:12pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alexandr

              None of us care. This isn’t a place to spout patriotic-sounding stuff or pro-Trump propaganda. This is a place to share thoughts and opinions on the article above, which in this case is about copyright, libraries, and the Internet Archives. It has nothing to do with Trump or Mt. Rushmore.

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                Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:34am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Grabbing a library before they burn Alex

                "It has nothing to do with Trump or Mt. Rushmore."

                Except that it does, to Baghdad Bob. Who consistently fails to realize that it isn't, in fact, a direct attack on Trump whenever something is discussed without mentioning the citrus pokemon in applauding tones.

                We should make a few allowances. The Very Fine People haven't had advocates standing up for them like Trump does since about 1950.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 8:28am

    "CDL" is DRM

    CDL is a practice whereby libraries lend temporary digital copies of print books they own in a one-to-one ratio of “loaned to owned,” and where the print copy is removed from circulation while the digital copy is in use. CDL is a practice rooted in the fair use right

    That's exactly DRM, and libraries shouldn't be so eager to enshrine it in law. There's nothing "open" or "equitable" about it.

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    Pixelation, 3 Jul 2020 @ 8:54am

    Publisher greed.

    HACHETTE BOOK GROUP, INC., HARPERCOLLINS PUBLISHERS LLC, JOHN WILEY & SONS, INC., and PENGUIN RANDOM HOUSE LLC

    They should be embarrassed. I doubt they have the capacity, however.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 1:52am

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      Matt Gaetz
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      In Joe Biden’s America your job is illegal, you are locked in your home, borders don’t exist, MS-13 lives next door and the police aren’t coming when the mob arrives.

      This is all of us.

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        Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:35am

        In Joe Biden’s America your job is illegal, you are locked in your home, borders don’t exist, MS-13 lives next door and the police aren’t coming when the mob arrives.

        How the fuck does that work when Biden hasn’t called for the outlawing of jobs (who would?!), a national lockdown to prevent the spread of COVID-19 sounds more and more like a good idea, MS-13 is barely even a presence even within the United States (an estimated 10,000 people, or less than 1% of the total number of known gang members in the country), and the police have consistently turned numerous peaceful protests into scenes of violence drenched in tear gas and pepper spray?

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 12:41pm

    as if they're gonna take any notice of them! when are people gonna learn that every portion of the entertainment industries consider themselves to be the most important thing on the Planet and that we cannot do without them? they wont be satisfied even after the USA govt and courts gives them what they want, the total control of the Internet! remember, when the Internet was in it's infancy, these same industries didn't want anything to do with the Internet. it's only since they realised, 25 years later, that it's here to stay, that everyone uses it and there hasn't been anything invented that is better as a distribution option! now they've realised that and how much money they could have earned by using it, even as it's meant to be used, they want the whole fucking lot!

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      Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 9:12pm

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      They will never take total control of the Internet.

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:02am

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        GenFlynn
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        On this very special and historic American weekend, please enjoy this beautiful rendition of God Bless the USA. NEVER FORGET those who sacrificed their very lives, and gave the last true measure of devotion, so we can continue to cherish breathing the fresh air of LIBERTY. We will forever remain “One Nation Under God...”

        💥💪🙏🇺🇸

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:36am

          One Nation Under God

          Whose God? And what does that mean for atheists, whose lack of religious belief is a legally protected religious creed for the purposes of United States law?

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:15pm

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            Under the god of christianity, er, uh, capitalism, officially since 1954! It's be his 70th birthday soon. Don't forget his younger brother, the god in which we trust.

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    Crafty Coyote, 3 Jul 2020 @ 5:29pm

    What really gets to me is that the libraries must have an online presence during a pandemic, because it isn't safe for anyone to actually visit libraries. The books aren't going to be of any use to people, if they're locked up and these publishers have made it abundantly clear they don't care about availability.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 12:01am

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      Richardgrenell
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      Gavin Newsom is rich. He can pay to go to a resort when the beach is closed.

      But for many Californians, the public beach is the free place to go. Closing public beaches in SoCal is an attack on the working class.

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        Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:59am

        Closing public beaches to prevent the spread of a disease during a global pandemic is sound thinking. Forcing the working class to work during a global pandemic for the sake of earning enough money to stay alive is an attack on the working class. And last I checked, I haven’t seen anyone who could do so willing to implement Universal Basic Income into law.

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        PaulT (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 7:18am

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        No, opening beaches in the middle of a pandemic in a country where people are regularly bankrupted by healthcare costs, and where sick people are afraid to take sick days because there's no safety net is an attack in the working class.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Jul 2020 @ 11:52pm

    Two more popular business GONE because of Techdirt!

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 1:26am

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      Just what kind of weaksauce business are you running that a website, frequently referred to by its critics as an obscure nobody, can tell enough people to just abandon the business entirely?

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 1:49am

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        Jim Jordan
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        A few days ago, the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee called #Antifa “imaginary.”

        Andy Ngo is briefing the Oversight Committee on Monday.

        Bet he’ll have a different story to share

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 4:01am

          Yeah, we should totally trust Gym Jordan when he talks about a nationally organized antifascist group/movement that doesn’t exist~.

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            Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:37am

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            "...we should totally trust Gym Jordan when he talks about a nationally organized antifascist group/movement..."

            Come now, Stephen, be fair. To the Very Fine People of the KKK and the neo-nazis the world does indeed look like an organized movement out to get them. Can't blame them for assuming everyone's against them. We sort of are, since just about everyone I know thinks fascism and racism are bad things.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 10:54am

    The trolls lately have given up it seems, they used to actually try to present a point of view that was not totally insane, now it looks to be random mumbling.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 1:32pm

    A general request

    This story is about the Internet Archive and research libraries.

    Just downvote the idiotic off-topic troll and move on. Stop responding to him when he goes off-topic. It's not worth it.

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    That One Guy (profile), 4 Jul 2020 @ 3:20pm

    'If we can't kill it then we can at least cripple it.'

    While the publishers with more greed than sense were too late to kill off libraries entirely(something which I'm sure is a source of great annoyance to them) they are certainly doing their hardest to make sure that libraries stay as old fashioned as possible, preventing them from implementing more modern changes to better serve the public.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Jul 2020 @ 10:38pm

      Re: 'If we can't kill it then we can at least cripple it.'

      One thing I have come to like about Techdirt is how it presents such a sharp contrast to real life. For example, you speak about publishers with "more greed", which sounds similar to Obama talking about "greed". I never understood that before, but reading Techdirt, I'm starting to. When you see that Obama lives in multiple multi-million dollar mansions, and vacations on super-yachts, you don't see greed, but when you see a small entrepreneur trying to offer a product or service for a fee, you do see greed. That's so interesting. When you see all the conservative voices silenced (above), you see reasonable moderation and not political bias. You think moderation at scale is impossible, but Parler seems to do it fine and is satisfying millions of users, while you stay small and isolated, but content in your world view. When you see fake news, you take the stand that there is only one view that is fit to be published, and all others silenced, and you're fine with that, and don't see how totalitarian it is. When you see oppression by Police, you think of a systemic failure, rather than a few bad apples. When you see a traitor that reveals military secrets and then who gets the government to pervert their body with new sex organs, you see liberty and freedom. You think trans people and gay people deserve more rights than straight people and white people and normal families. When you see AntiFa, you see people justified to inflict violence on strangers because you think it's a good cause (yours). When you look at BLM and their wish to destroy the nuclear family and burn down an America who will not kneel, you side with them, and against Americans. When you see a healthy and prosperous American society with a long and colorful history of change and learning and betterment and success against all odds, you see a failure that you could do better. It's so interesting, I mean, how you people at Techdirt think. I literally don't know a SINGLE person in real life who holds these kinds of beliefs, yet there seem to be so many here. It's like an alternate universe, like the Twllight Zone.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Jul 2020 @ 12:33am

        Re: Re: 'If we can't kill it then we can at least cripple it.'

        Look, you can't understand us because you're white. You were born white. That gives you an unfair advantage over the rest of us. You've used that advantage all your life, and now it's time to pay the consequences for your unearned privilege that you've been enjoying all your life. Give me your money, right now. Then get down on your knees and say you're sorry, and stay on your knees until I say otherwise. You don't have any right to defend yourself, your parents and grandparents sacrificed that right when they built their comfortable life out of their unearned white privilege. There's really nothing that you can say that will change anything. All the wealth and prosperity that you have built on the backs of the slaves and the spics and the niggers and the chinks and the waps by flouting your whiteness and your money and feigning ignorance needs to be given back to the people who really built it. The leaders have to fall, wealth needs to be distributed to others, you need to give up your microphone, your voice, your home, your family and get the right level of BLM spirit. That's right, BLM. The Marxist Cult of BLM. I'm not shy about it. We need to purge the old habits, the old culture, the old ways, and we all need to focus the religious zeal of Christianity on back people. And only black people No one else. We are right. We are righteous. There is nothing you an do about it. Don't even try to defend yourself, it's hopeless. Scub all mentions of Cops from your web sites, you may not picture Cops and Good Guys any more. Or Paw Patrol, on Nikelodeon, that's gotta go. No confederate flags, no General Lee. No Dukes of Hazard. That's over too. Daisy is gone, Gone with the Wind is Gone with the the new BLM order. You are a child and you cannot be trusted with your own mind.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 5 Jul 2020 @ 5:21am

      The publishers might still try to kill off smaller libraries, though. All they would need to do for that is convince local governments that other things deserve more funding. Slash a few thousand dollars from a library’s budget every year and nobody will notice until the “closed due to lack of funding“ sign appears. That’ll make people angry, sure. But it’ll also buy publishers at least a small amount of time to gouge those angry people before the re-funding begins.

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        Anonymous Coward, 5 Jul 2020 @ 7:13am

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        Summary of your post: "Publishers .. kill off smaller libraries. .. no one will notice .. people angry .. gouge angry people .. before .. refunding.. "

        Is everyone evil? Publishers are evil and kill off libraries? Government is evil and no one notices? Publishers gouge angry people, force them to buy something that should be free, until re-funding begins?

        Who is not evil in your twisted universe? You are the good one? You're going to save everybody from the evil publishers and the evil government because you are morally and ethically superior?

        Really, Stephen? How superior are you? Very superior? Tell us about your superior vision. We are all anxiously awaiting a savior from these evil forces, and you must be one to deliver the message. Will you save us from BLM? From AntiFa (which you know so much about)? What is the message again? Let the leftists run things and evil will disappear? You are morally the height of goodness, generosity and knowledge? Trust you with our tax dollars? Give your home and your retirement money and all your income to BLM and let them pay reparations to black people? Is that it?

        Tell us, Stephen. Tell us.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 5 Jul 2020 @ 8:47am

          We are all anxiously awaiting a savior

          If you want to keep libraries from shutting down, you have to get off your ass and push your government — at any and every level — to fund libraries better. If you want libraries to expand any efforts to modernize, you have to get off your ass and convince those blocking such efforts — like, say, publishing companies with a grudge against ebook lending — to get the hell out of the way.

          You can ask for a savior to come along and do those things for you. But you’ll end up waiting forever for them to show up. Corporations won’t save you; neither will institutions. You can only save yourself. If you want to save libraries, you have to do the work. Neither God nor Google will do it for you.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Jul 2020 @ 6:45pm

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            Who would you have lead us, Stephen? You? If not you, who? Who is fit and moral enough to meet your high standards?

            If you don't know ANYONE fit to lead us in government, then does that make you a pathetic whining idiot with nothing to say?

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 5 Jul 2020 @ 8:09pm

              Who would you have lead us, Stephen?

              I wouldn’t sit around asking for a leader. I’d get off my ass and do the work, even if that means I do it alone. Waiting for a leader, a savior, or someone to show you the way to Shangri-la will keep you from doing anything worth a damn. If you want to take part in a campaign to recall a politician or get a pothole fixed or save a library from being defunded and that campaign doesn’t already exist, start it yourself. If it does exist, don’t wait for someone to come knocking on your door and say “hey, we could really use your help” — go to their door and tell them you want ot help.

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                Anonymous Coward, 5 Jul 2020 @ 10:02pm

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                And for you, personally, this is your way of helping, right?

                Shit-posting, thousands of times, over and over, in a nothing-blog run by Marxists.

                You lead by example, right? Except not under your own name.

                Do you follow ANY of your own advice? Have you lead any community programs? Would you claim a single civic minded action on your resume, other than posting here?

                Anything, Stephen? Anything? One thing? A small thing, even. Half a thing.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:20am

                  Re: Re:

                  Here's a public challenge, which no one on this phony site will ever respond to:

                  Name one thing that falls into the category that Stephen posts above about "I'd get off my ass and do the work".

                  Has ANYONE here ever done a SINGLE FUCKING THING in the real world other than post phony propaganda on this site? Have you done ONE THING to promote a civic good in the Real World?

                  As for me, I gave money to both Donald J. Trump and Michael Flynn. Money. Civic good. Real World. Real Money.

                  Anyone? One thing?

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                    Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:42am

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                    "I gave money to both Donald J. Trump and Michael Flynn. Money. Civic good."

                    You are bragging about handing wads of cash to a proven con man with a 40-year rep of hustling and a national security advisor who spilled more than he should have to a russian ambassador and then lied about it?

                    Well, I personally prefer to give money to well audited civic rights and assistance organizations but with your money you can do what you like.

                    Just don't refer to it as a "civic good" because it's not. All you've demonstrated is that you have fiscally contributed to screwing the country in which you live.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 6 Jul 2020 @ 2:49am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re:

                      There you go again with your junior high level arguments. Are you part of the teacher's union? Or are you a frustrated and failed attorney? As a teacher, you don't have to persuade anyone, and you have a union to back you up. From that vantage, you get a really skewed view of the world and where you fit in it. This is the real world. The real world of America and Americans. Did you see parler's numbers lately? I think two million new users in two weeks, and Trump hasn't even come yet. You guys are going to lose by a landslide, and then we're going to break up those teacher's unions. They're not good for anyone. In fact, no more public money for schools at all. Let the hard working middle class Americans keep their tax money and let them decide where to educate their kids. Let the market provide teachers. Enough of you fucking Marxist godless depraved Union "Insider" idiots.

                      Real world. Real Elections. Trump 2020 Mormons for Trump

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                        Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 6 Jul 2020 @ 3:06am

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                        "There you go again with your junior high level arguments."

                        ...you really don't have to work so hard at demolishing your own credibility, Baghdad Bob. It's already at the point where we just flag your posts and shake our heads.

                        But I must admit it does take a special brand of idiot to advocate abolishing public education.

                        "Enough of you fucking Marxist godless depraved Union "Insider" idiots."

                        Would that be the rest of the world outside of the Trump Cult who doesn't believe Chloroquine and drinking bleach is the surefire cure for Covid-19? I guess the expression of certain deranged beliefs would make it seem as if the whole world was organized against you. And I guess the whole world would seem marxist if you either didn't know what a marxist was or happened to be on the extremist nationalist/fascist side of the political spectrum.

                        "Real world. Real Elections. Trump 2020 Mormons for Trump"

                        Spelling. Yeah, morons are indeed for Trump. Though, to be fair Trump might indeed win, if enough democrats and swing voters fail to hold their noses, leaving the racist and bigot minority to carry Trump through the election.

                        Let's all hope Biden keeps sitting in his basement. As long as he persists in being less odious than Trump he may have a decent shot at the presidency.

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    Anonymous Coward, 5 Jul 2020 @ 7:22pm

    The Hive Mind Speaks!

    A general request

    This story is about the Internet Archive and research libraries.

    Just downvote the idiotic off-topic troll and move on. Stop responding to him when he goes off-topic. It's not worth it.

    The Hive Mind has spoken.

    Is that hilarious, or what? I just can't believe how seriously you all take me. Even the Hive Mind! Hellloooo queen bee! Bzzz Bzzz Bzzz. Hahahahahahahaha

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