Alabama Lawmakers Think The Time Is Right To Make Assaulting A Cop A 'Hate Crime'
from the let's-do-the-stupid-thing-again dept
Another stupid, pointless effort to turn protectors and servants into professional victims is being mounted in Alabama. Cops can barely be bothered to educate themselves on the laws they’re enforcing, but they’re usually all over the ones that allow them to turn things they don’t like into criminal activity.
It’s (yet another) “blue lives matter” law being foisted upon citizens by legislators who are altogether too certain they’re in the right. Here’s the backer of the proposed law that would turn cops into a protected group making a claim that’s proven false before the end of the article at PoliceOne.
“Everyone agrees that it should be a hate crime to shoot a police officer,” said state Sen. Cam Ward, R-Alabaster, and chairman of the Alabama State Senate Judiciary Committee where the hate crime legislation is reviewed. “I don’t know anyone who opposes that. The question is, ‘What gets tacked on?’ Yes, you can find a bipartisan solution.”
Everyone?
[Sen. Vivian] Figures said she favors “of doing everything we can to protect our law enforcement officials.” But she said she’s unsure if a hate crime law is the right vehicle.
The bill, written by Senator Chris Elliott, is his second attempt to push a cop-friendly hate crime bill through the legislature. Elliott possibly figures he’ll have a better chance this year because more cops have been killed in Alabama than usual. There have been six law enforcement officers killed by residents this year, which puts the state towards the top of the killed in the line of duty list.
The senator who spoke for everyone (while being wrong about what “everyone” agreed with) doesn’t want this bill tainted with riders that would provide similar hate crime protections for others more deserving of these protections. Sen. Figures (who does not agree with Ward’s assertion that “everyone agrees”) may have been responsible for the death of Elliott’s previous effort when she added an LGBTQ amendment to his 2018 “blue lives matter” bill. That’s the sort of “tacking on” Ward is hoping to prevent here, in order to give cops more protections while leaving more vulnerable residents less protected.
Adding to the stupidity is the fact that police already benefit from a law that provides an extra deterrent to killing cops.
In Alabama, killing a law enforcement while they are on the line of duty is an aggravating factor that is punishable by the death penalty.
These proposals have made periodic appearances in the years following the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. The shooting was a flash point in police-community relationships. With the current federal administration strongly pro-law enforcement, state-level legislators perhaps feel emboldened to pursue legislation that does little to protect cops, but everything to put more distance between law enforcement and the people they serve.
These proposals are reactionary in the worst sense of the word. They’re legislative affirmations that might makes right and the people with most might will continue to consolidate power. There’s little evidence that suggests these laws are justified at any level. Most killings of cops are impromptu, not planned assaults inspired by an insatiable hate for law enforcement.
The general public receives zero benefit from these laws. All that happens is a very well-protected group of government employees gets even more protections. The laws become vehicles for abuse and there’s only so much courts can do to protect citizens if their “representatives” decide to serve fellow government employees rather than their constituents.
The upside here is these proposals — at least here in Alabama — can be neutralized by adding amendments that would extend protections to people who don’t wear the blue — especially members of the public that far too many legislators don’t feel are worthy of any protection.
Filed Under: alabama, blue lives matter, hate crime, police
Comments on “Alabama Lawmakers Think The Time Is Right To Make Assaulting A Cop A 'Hate Crime'”
That would just make it official. if you assault a cop, you can be certain that you are going to get beat to hell by the any of the other cops around jumping in and at least in Texas, it’s felony right off the bat. (The whoe idea of a hate crime ought to be ditched. A crime is a crime, no matter who does it for what reason, but idiotic ideas are often politically expedient.)
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Does this affect the 50 percent of victims of rapes of children by pedocops in Alabama? If the answer is no, then I can see them passing this law to protect their pedophiles in AL.
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Out of curiosity, what extra protections and punishments are proposed for members of the public who are killed needlessly by police officers? I suspect none, with the comment like ‘wrong place, wrong time’ or ‘ i feared for my life’ or ‘ i thought he was reaching for a weapon’ and whatever other excuse to justify killing someone, just because they can, knowing they’ll get away with it! No life is worthless and no death should not have consequences but its heading further away from that if wearing blue!
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I agree. If anything, cops should be held to additional accountability precisely because they are trusted with the power to enforce laws. Giving them extra protections is the opposite of what is needed.
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"Members of the public who are killed needlessly by police officers" are punished by having their past examined for any – even minor – infraction to the law, then character-assassinated in the public forum. As for protection, they get to be sheltered from further physical harm by 6 feet of ground.
Ah, were you asking for punishment to the officers? Well, they are – sometimes – punished with paid vacations. /s
Joke aside, a negligible minority of them can be fired. Let’s not talk about jail time, at least not if they killed while on duty. A cop on duty does no wrong. Ever. But they can be set aside if the public outcry is too loud.
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Great point.
Motives don’t matter. We should eliminate the distinction between first- and second-degree murder and manslaughter. They’re all the same thing, right?
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Obvious troll is obvious. "Eliminating important distinctions" and "making motives not matter" is exactly what hate crime laws do.
Conspicuously absent from his statement is any mention of motive, because that’s exactly what hate crime laws do. They create a protected class of people who are shielded by the law because of a presumption of hatred against them. And that’s not how we do things in America, or at least not how we should. Not for this, and not for anything. Presumption of guilt is unconstitutional and fundamentally un-american, whether it be a guilty act (actus reus) or a guilty motive (mens rea).
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You are prevaricating. Hate crimes make some individuals more important than other individuals. The distinction between first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter and so on is the extent to which the crime is premeditated. If you plan to kill someone, it’s first degree murder regardless of why you planned to do it.
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No, I’m not. I’m pointing out that using a criminal’s motive as a consideration in how the criminal is punished is an extremely common practice, not the anomaly you’re pretending it is.
Do anti-terrorism laws make some individuals more important than others? How about anti-gang laws? RICO?
All of those target the circumstances and motives surrounding the crime, rather than the crime itself.
Yes. The distinction is the criminal’s motive for committing the crime.
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"Do anti-terrorism laws make some individuals more important than others? How about anti-gang laws? RICO?
All of those target the circumstances and motives surrounding the crime, rather than the crime itself."
Yeah, and all of those are likewise unneeded, especially given that the US is the most guilty of just about any country in violating those laws as the US defines them. Anti-gang laws violate freedom of association and RICO is a catchall of last resort that acts as a surrogate for the crimes that should be prosecuted.
The justice system would be better served by making everyone equal under the law instead of designating some people more equal than others. Hate laws are a bandaid for not making everyone equal under the law and will not solve any problem those laws are supposed to address.
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While this is true in principle, in practice it was ever thus. We need to find a way to protect the vulnerable without creating privileged classes.
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"Motives don’t matter. We should eliminate the distinction between first- and second-degree murder and manslaughter. They’re all the same thing, right?"
That’s not exactly the same thing. First and second degree murder/manslaughter connotates intent.
A "hate" crime is more often than not just a legally insecure way of lowering burden of proof and/or raising the penalty of an already illegal act based entirely on a subjective estimate.
That’s not good law. It’s a politically expedient way of saying "We care" when the politicians can’t be arsed to deal with racism and bigotry in any actually meaningful way.
The law is supposed to be blind and impartial. Whether we despise the opinion a convicted thug holds shouldn’t have any bearing on the sentencing process.
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And targeting victims based on their race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. doesn’t?
Not any moreso than any other court ruling is based on subjective estimates. Hate crimes are based in statutory and case law and the discretion of judges and juries. Same as everything else.
Perhaps. There isn’t a lot of statistical evidence supporting the premise that hate crime enhancements serve as a deterrent, and hate crime convictions aren’t even very common.
But "This law is bad because it’s ineffective" is an entirely separate argument from "This law is bad because it punishes people based on their motives for committing a crime."
I mean, that’s nonsense. A criminal’s intent is always a consideration in sentencing. Crimes of opportunity are treated differently from crimes that are planned, which in turn are treated differently from crimes of negligence. Crimes committed as part of a gang or criminal enterprise are treated differently from crimes committed by individuals. And considerations based on who the victim is are common as well — crimes committed against children are treated differently from crimes committed against adults, for example.
Hate crime laws don’t punish people for having opinions. They punish people for committing crimes based on specific motives in specific contexts. It’s fair to question their efficacy, but it’s silly to say we shouldn’t have laws that consider why the perpetrator committed the crime.
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I’d been meaning to say something about this for a while, but couldn’t quite find the right words. You essentially said exactly what I’d been wanting to say very nicely. (Well, except the part about efficacy, which I hadn’t considered.) So thanks.
I do think there may be something to be said about where hate crime laws lower the burden of proof regarding intent, but that’s not an intrinsic part of hate crime laws in theory, and honestly, it’s like how we punish crimes against children more harshly than ones against adults.
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Again, that’s literally the exact opposite of what hate crime laws do. They don’t examine motives and punish people based upon them; they assume and impute motives to those who harm members of a protected class. As noted above, the senator in question didn’t say it should be a hate crime to attack police because they hate police; he said it should be a hate crime to attack police, period. What this means is that it places the protected class outside the law; there is Officially No Legitimate Reason to attack a member of a protected class; the only reason to do so is irrational, evil hatred.
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"And targeting victims based on their race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. doesn’t?"
No, it doesn’t. Intent and motive are entirely different things. Intent: Did you intend to kill the person? Did you intend to kill the person and plan it out ahead of time? Was it an accident, but you were negligent?
That’s what differentiates different levels of murder. Who the victim is should be irrelevant, unless you think some lives are worth more than others.
"Not any moreso than any other court ruling is based on subjective estimates."
Yeah and how well has that worked for blacks, hispanics and other minorities?
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"And targeting victims based on their race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. doesn’t?"
Legally speaking? No. "Intent" means "Did you intend to violate this law?" i.e. is it a case of first-degree murder (with intent to kill/in cold blood) or is it some form of manslaughter based on you not holding intent to actually murder?
In short, if you intend to throw a fist you are guilty of assault. If your fist kills the opposition through unfortunate circumstance it’s usually manslaughter. If you have the ability to kill with your hands – martial arts skill or similar – and the jury decides you fully intended to kill with the blow…then it’s murder.
This is also why most vehicular accidents aren’t considered "murder" whereas trying to run someone over intentionally would be.
WHY you intended to kill should never be the question. Only that you did. Once you mix a subjective opinion into it you remove Lady Justice’s blindfold and try to have the law act on whatever the current moral perspective is.
"Not any moreso than any other court ruling is based on subjective estimates. Hate crimes are based in statutory and case law and the discretion of judges and juries. Same as everything else."
Bad precedents don’t improve shit jurisprudens. Consider the fact that today quite a few terrorist laws have ensured that based on ethnicity or the color of your hair and eyes many jurisdictions now have TWO different barriers on burden of proof based on…well, expedient bigotry.
Law should NEVER base sanctions on whatever the opinion of the accused happens to be. Once you go down that road you’ve given the Jim Crow laws moral validity as well.
"I mean, that’s nonsense. A criminal’s intent is always a consideration in sentencing. Crimes of opportunity are treated differently from crimes that are planned…"
Intent to perform a crime, yes. NOT the motive as to WHY the intent to perform the crime is there.
"Crimes committed as part of a gang or criminal enterprise are treated differently from crimes committed by individuals."
Because the conspiracy to collude with others in the full intent to perform a crime is a thing, yes?
"Hate crime laws don’t punish people for having opinions."
Yes, they do. The only moral sanction a hate crime law HAS is that it’s based on the current, quite subjective moral condemnation of a certain opinion. The basis of law is by necessity that it should work the same no matter which era or place it’s practiced in.
Today’s laws on "hate speech" would see Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. in jail had they been presented at that time, when racial equality was still a struggling movement.
The exact logical implementation of a "hate speech" law, moved into, say, China, gives the moral justification for sending government dissidents to jail.
"…it’s silly to say we shouldn’t have laws that consider why the perpetrator committed the crime."
It’s not, really. We’ve known since the days of ancient rome that law, in order to work, must be neutral. The only intent which is useful to determine what a crime is and how it should be sentenced is the actual intent to violate the law or not. The motivation can not be important, or the law itself becomes a subjective matter.
And that is more devastating by FAR to everyone than whether an assault motivated by hatred "only" convicts and sends a bigot to jail as easily and for as long a time as someone who "at the moment of the crime" just hated the victim badly enough to swing a fist.
Hate crimes are a legal redundancy, to begin with. If a bigot plans to assault or kill then he will already be sentenced for conspiracy to commit first degree murder or assault. He’ll already be sentenced harsher than the guy who lost his marbles in a bar fight.
The header of "hate crime" is unnecessary and harmful in law. I maintain the only reason it exists at all is as a political expediency which incidentally harms the ability to practice good law while opening the door on frightening practice in times when common morality may NOT be as enlightened as it is today.
Assaulting a person (regardless of what color they wear to work) is, last I checked already a crime.
There’s a point where the punishment is ‘sufficient’ deterrent. Meaning that the punishment isn’t as light as a frown (unless the group of people it governs is a group of cowed children). Beyond that point adding harsher penalties only adds to the suffering of people and does not have a (significant) deterrent effect. In fact, unreasonably harsh penalties are just ripe for abuse (since the judicial system is entirely made of humans, if we are being honest we must assume there will be some error).
Oh so telling priorities...
Because if there’s one group that needs even more legal protections in america, it’s the police. /s
Sen. Figures (who does not agree with Ward’s assertion that "everyone agrees") may have been responsible for the death of Elliott’s previous effort when she added an LGBTQ amendment to his 2018 "blue lives matter" bill. That’s the sort of "tacking on" Ward is hoping to prevent here, in order to give cops more protections while leaving more vulnerable residents less protected.
It’s telling in all the wrong ways that simply adding an amendment to extend the same protections proposed for police(a job you choose) to LGBTQ people(something you don’t choose) was enough to tank the previous incarnation of this legal atrocity.
‘We must protect the police from those that might want to harm them! … but only so long as those same protections aren’t extended to those LGBTQ scum.’
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Wow. Just Wow. You think LGBTQ people have no choice in who they have sex with? Are these people beasts in your eyes?
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That depends. Are you playing ignorant for the sake of trolling, or are you truly ignorant enough to think a queer person is defined by their sex life alone?
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Among other reasons, your comment is dumb because a person can be LGBTQ without having sex at all.
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Exactly. Not to mention that Asexuals are considered part of the community.
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lets play INCEL BINGO, with nasch卍 as last rounds winner!
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Re: Re: Re:2 Oh you know he’s an incel too!
Found the Nazi scum!
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Re: Re: Re:3 Oh you know he’s an incel too!
Whatever you think you found isnt “Nazi scum,” quit kidding yourself.
The condom that Eichmann used while banging your mother was likely tossed over 70 years ago, and I presume that the scum was in it.
But you’re welcome to continue to prove me wrong.
Re: Re: Re:4 Oh you know he’s an incel too!
Even if this AC is out of line, the implication that he is a Nazi isn’t helping your case, dude.
Re: Re: Re:4 Oh you know he’s an incel too!
Port little triggered snowflake.
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Sorry that should have said “Found the piss poor wannabe incel masquerading as Nazi scum.”
My bad
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Re: Re: Re:4 Oh you know he’s an incel too!
R/O/G/S, the best part of you dribbled down your mom’s leg and pooled up on the thigh of the incel she let have their way with her.
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Re: Re: Re:5 Oh you know he’s an incel too!
Wow, cool. So, there is hope for incels then?
Also -how did you know this, exactly ?
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How does pointing out the existence of asexual people make them an incel?
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"How does pointing out the existence of asexual people make them an incel?"
It doesn’t.
The troll just took a leaf from Baghdad Bob/Bobmail/Blue’s old stand-by of trying to toss inflammatory accusations into a one-liner in the hopes that no one would come out and call bullshit on his garbage.
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Re: Re: Re:4 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
bullshit….on garbage?
You really pile high around here, and not one of you Naschi scum takes a stand when its one of you or yours calling me or anyone else an incel all over the net.
Nice double standards you people have around here.
I mean whoever you people are
Re: Re: Re:5 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
When you call someone an incel and/or compare them to a Nazi for pointing out that having sex isn’t a prerequisite to being a member of the LGBTQ community, it’s difficult to argue that it’s unfair that others call you an incel.
Also, we take no responsibility for what a random AC says on this site.
We called out your comment because it was absurd, not because of its tone, and it was in response to a benign comment. We don’t have to call out every guy who misuses the term incel to call you out for it.
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“I mean whoever you people are”
What’s your name bro? Better yet, what do ou look like under that klan hood?
Re: Re: Re:6 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Not the one Shitheel stole here, that’s for sure.
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Re: Re: Re:6 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Paranoid much, you racist anon POS?
Kommnity Kulture Klubs and Kovens (K4) are a real thing now.
I mean whoever they are
And there are zero random ACs here. Its a K4 moderated site.
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First, why would you take four words that start with C and replace all the Cs with Ks and call them K4. Just call them C4. It’s far more intuitive.
Second, what the hell is a Community Culture Club and Coven?
As for random ACs, we do have them. You’re one of them. Some get flagged, and some don’t. Being a K4-moderated forum (whatever that means) wouldn’t keep random ACs from popping up if you’re able to post stuff on them.
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Re: Re: Re:6 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Yeah!
Ever notice how the Black Israelites wear klan robes now?
Yeah!
But I know your name.
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Re: Re: Re:6 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Rapist much?
Like, 90% of everything you say involves:
-peeking under peoples clothing
-bizarre sexual innuendo and projection, incuding (typical) Hotep fetishishes about Nazis,and the KKK, but seldom those overweight, tattoed cows, and pinchy nosed trolls from K4-and I empathize with your latter sentiment there
-actual and implied rape threats
-bizarre sexual fantasies about a)shit-soiled Nazi underwear (your fathers), b) domination scenarios, c) your mother in various non-sexual positions wherein you find power over her, and finally dominate the household via your command center on a Cheetoh spice and boogers stained sofa in her basement, via telepathy (or, what you think is telepathy, everytime she screams down the stairwell “GET OFF THE SOFA AND GET A JOB YOU LAZY POS)*and that little voice in your head only hears
get off!
and thinks that your mom is psychic
Listen bitchly, no offense, but yeah-its ok to kill yourself to escape that circularity.
do it
bro
Hotepinfetchit
I know you think about in between tokes
Re: Re: Re:7 Re! Not touching that with your dick.
Damn bro. And I thought Jhon boi had the self own on lock.
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Re: Re: Re:8 Re! Not touching that with your dick.
There you go again. See points 1-3
And Im not touching that, even with your mothers donkey sized dildo attached to a jackhammer, strapped to your face.
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If’n you’re gonna make sex jokes about someone else’s mother, you basic bitch, at least have the decency to make them funny.
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I bet you f*ck goats. I bet your mother is a goat.
You: Dad, where did I come from?
Your dad: from a goat.
You: Really?
Your dad: Yes, I was just kidding!
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I repeat: If’n you’re gonna make sex jokes about someone else’s mother, you basic bitch, at least have the decency to make them funny.
Re: Re: Re:7 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
And I thought Jhon boi had a solid lock on projectionist of the year.
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Re: Re: Re:8 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
….and I thought the “gay mafia” was just some anti-social fags and otherwise disreputed dykes online, killing time online, while too stupid to spot allies (like most fags do and are online), because no one else has tolerance for them.
Whoever they are
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This is becoming sad(der). But I gotta say, I’m surprised you haven’t yet busted out racial slurs.
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Youre a stupid old white man.
Re: Re: Re:7 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
0% of what you just said bore any relevance or resemblance to the comment you’re responding to, the person who wrote it, this thread, or this article. It made absolutely no sense, maybe even less than that. Any substance it has is completely indiscernible.
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Re: Re: Re:8 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Cuz thats what you derailers and flamerbators do, despite you yourself wandering over here after ogling boobie pictures at DeviantArt, and bringing your butterknife to a Flaming Hot Burrito Battle©where the poor burrito eventually explodes in some cowardly ACs ass.
But I think the sane readers will get the first point, and maybe even laugh, as ROGS comes under attack by the internecine troll farms of the Kommunity Kulture Klubs and Kovens (K4) online mobs, and hence, bringing cockroaches into the light.
And, some of those mobs linked to offline criminality and violence too.
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Are you okay? Do you have brain damage?
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Given that you don’t appear to be a sane writer, I doubt any sane readers will understand any better than I do what you’re talking about.
Seriously though, I, personally, haven’t really been calling you names outside of two of my most recent comments, and even then I was pretty indirect about it, and it was partly a joke at that.
Furthermore, I still don’t know what you mean by “Kommunity Kulture Klubs and Kovens (K4).” (And what did the letter C ever do to you?)
You also seem to love making assumptions about people’s age, race, religion, hobbies, gender, mothers, political leanings, and/or sexual interests with little to no information, no evidence, and no reasoning whatsoever. White, black, Christian, Jew, man, woman, old, young, bestiality, homosexuality, incel, incest, Yugioh, video games, DeviantArt, burritos, leftist, right-wing, pro-ADL, K4, whatever. And yet you wonder why we think you’re some combination of racist, antisemetic, incel, and/or a troll.
Finally, you also seem big on projection and hypocrisy. You have done more thread-derailing, flaming, trolling, and insulting than anyone else here.
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R/O/G/S, is that cum in your eye or are you sad because you realized your life is a waste?
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Re: Re: Re:6 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Said by some anon troll whose entire life consists of trolling
Your mothers wife must be very proud of you.
Re: Re: Re:6 Bad enough to have one of them, no need for more
As tempting as it may be please try to refrain from such comments, no need to add to the garbage they’re throwing out with more.
Re: Re: Re:5 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
"…and not one of you Naschi scum takes a stand when its one of you or yours calling me or anyone else an incel all over the net."
Well, I usually take the position that if you come out swinging the ad homs in the first place then I won’t stand in your defense when you get met with the same rules of engagements in which you launched your first offensive.
Easy enough to understand. Except for the minority which feels it’s their entitled right to act like a douche and then whine like little children throwing a tantrum about unfairness when they get the same treatment in return.
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Re: Re: Re:6 LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
Thats nice.
Now, go get a REAL LIFE , you armchair speculation specialist.
For those of us in the real world, making actual changes, you.appear to be just another overweight shit talking POS on the state tit.
Or, maybe, some other cottage cheese factory.
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…says the obviously mentally ill person who continually posts on a site they dislike and acts like they have a definitive answer to “the Jewish question”.
Re: Re: Re:2 Oh so telling priorities...
Huh? What do Nazis or incels have to do with anything? Are you unaware that LGBTQ people can voluntarily choose not to have sex? Or that people who have no sexual attraction to anyone are considered part of the LGBTQ community?
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Re: Re: Re:3 Oh so telling priorities...
Nazis have EVERYTHING to do with it, you dolt 。
Nazis, and their anti -goyim counterparts were eugenicists. And both, equally to blame for the HOLOCAUST
Re: Re: Re:4 Oh so telling priorities...
Seriously, you’re just throwing out buzzwords without even bothering to mention how any of them relate to the topic. In case you missed it, we were just saying that being lesbian, gay, bi, transgender, or some other part of the LGBTQ community do not require any sexual acts to be performed by or on the person in question. Additionally, asexual people—people who have no sexual urges towards anyone whatsoever—are part of the LGBTQ community. As such, this quote:
is dumb and shows ignorance about the LGBTQ community. (This was said in response to a claim that being LGBTQ is not a choice.) None of this, AFAICT, has anything to do with Nazis or incels or the Holocaust or eugenics at all.
So I ask you again: what do Nazis, “their anti-goyim counterparts” (whatever that means), eugenics, the Holocaust, or incels have to do with anything?
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I just caught this below ,as I was flagging tards (testing TDs policy of discriminatory unflaggables), and you misatributed it to me:
is dumb and shows ignorance about the LGBTQ community*
ROGS spent over a quarter of my life in that exact community, Mr. Hull, and my awareness of LGBTQEtc is much more than yours to be sure.
So, theres that.
Which is why I know that Stone is an old queen, and nasch is an actual Nazi, and Cockcroft is an actual incel.
Re: Re: Re:6 Oh so telling priorities...
Right…
For the record, I personally know several homosexuals and a transgender person, and I’ve interacted with another transgender person on Facebook.
At any rate, I’m commenting on the science of LGBTQ and its definition. Also common sense (even a voluntary celibate can be heterosexual or homosexual). So yeah, that quote is dumb and indicative of ignorance of the full breadth of the community, which does not consist solely of people having sex with people of the same gender.
BTW, I wasn’t attributing that quote to you at all. Where in that comment did I say who said that? I was just explaining that that quote is dumb and has nothing to do with Nazis or incels. In short, who originally said that is immaterial. I was only saying what the original topic of the discussion was before it got derailed with this talk of Nazis, incels, goyim, etc.: pointing at the major flaws with that quote. None of that involved identifying who said it at all. That wasn’t even the point of derailment; the derailing happened when people were being called Nazis and incels for pointing out the flaws in that quote. Anyways, I didn’t attribute or misattribute that quote to you or anyone else there.
In fact, unless you’re claiming to be Jane D#53, I wasn’t even addressing you in the first place.
Also, how would you even know that ROGS has spent even one second in the company of anyone in the LGBTQ community? He has not claimed such, nor does anyone know anything about his RL identity. Same with knowing whether Stone is “an old queen” (when he’s actually bisexual), nasch is a Nazi (which wouldn’t be made any more or less evident from familiarity with LGBTQ), or “Cockroft” is an incel (same).
You never answered my question, either: even if those allegations are true, how are they remotely relevant? How are Nazis, incels, the Holocaust, eugenics, or “anti-goyim counterparts” relevant to the original discussion? (Also, what does that last one even mean?)
As for the flagging thing, a) you’re being paranoid, b) that test probably will fail for the simple reason that you don’t know how many flags it takes to hide a comment, and c) you’re admitting to being a troll by flagging comments regardless of content.
In short, you didn’t actually address anything I actually said or provide any actual evidence to back up your claims. You’re just spouting stuff without relevance, materiality, or evidence.
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Re: Re: Re:7 Oh so telling priorities...
Yup, FULL CONFESSION, ROGS IS ME.
With that out of the way, notice that the exact shitbags above NEVER address substance, and always flame first (Cockroft insulted me as an incel awhile ago, and didnt like that I responded to that with an.equally insulting sexual reference. Later, she called herself a, person of faith and later denied she said that, when I challenged her bias.
Scary Devil Monastery uses an old sysadmin board anagram, and these tech savvy types are actually not real commenters, theyre more like gamers, gaming forums, and non -insular commenters, and frequently just liars.
For example, SDM claims above that I ‘come out swinging with ad -homs ’ when in fact, we see its the exact opposite-that I like so many TD commenters get attacked first, and then the insiders gang up, and try to create the appearance that their mob didnt throw the first stone.
As for your sort of weird comment about knowing a few, homosexuals that strikes me as a bit like I have one black friend, but wutever.
So, to start with, you repeatedly ask me to do your homework, and here again and I wont do that . Google whatever AGAIN words or phrases intrigues you.
But this forum us notoriously full of strict partisan tards and derailers who routinely ask for evidence and citations, and then never engage with evidence, prefering to hurl partisan /tribal -sectarian ad -homs of all kinds instead, exactly the type you mention above. And they do it first.
Do you somehow miss that in THEIR case, or are just disingenuous?
In fact, if you look close, you will see some AC issuing a snide rape threat to me, and fantasizing about me fucking Mandingoes and none of these wonderful peeple flagged that racist comment. Mandingo being a slur against Africans from the 1980s, and dingoes being dogs, I am sure you can figure out that these types arent the nicest or most educated people either.
Stone and a few other shut-ins on here are obsessive board trolls, word twisters and outright liars and are rewarded by Masnick himself for bad behavior; and many faux-left establishment gatekeepers, and frequently Fabian time suckers who obsess over my posts, and if you follow along, you will see them masquerading too.
As for flags, TD mods are active flaggers, and there is an unequal weighted flag issue here behing the scenes, as we see most ACs are easily flagged, whereas nym ’d parties,and insiders are virtually unflaggable.
Then theres a few non -player bots and scripts actually, that TD allows to run as commenters. Thad is known for that, and openly brags about it here.
Sure, you can say Im trolling -or, you could say that I am pen-testing the unequal hierarchy and playing field here, to expose a social truth about deplatforming; or that I am socially exploiting the biased comment forum itself for the excellent journalistic purpose of the publics right to know . All three are not mutually exclusive, and not different than what others here are doing.
And, there are many other things involved, as I pointed out, many times with how deplatforming and deplatformers are inherently racist, tribalist, sectarian or religionist bullies, masquerading as an innocent consensus, or “online community ” when in fact they are attrocious harassers and bullies, deploying military grade programs at individuals who will not conform to their bias.
Worse, you only asked constantly for me to do your homework, and stumbled on so many common expressions that I wonder about your own abilities at simple reading and comprehension; much less what level of disingenuous you are at in the players rewards section.
Re: Re: Re:8 Oh so telling priorities
First, Techdirt doesn’t actively moderate the comments. Readers do.
Second, I’m focusing on the most prolific and primary offender (As the one who first accused someone of being an incel, you can hardly complain about receiving the same treatment in direct response). I’m not obligated to go after every single offensive comment, and even if I flagged them all, that alone wouldn’t be enough to hide them anyways, and you’d have no way of knowing.
Third, what you consider “common expressions” aren’t. I’m not new to online discourse about politics and such, but you’ve used acronyms and a few other terms I’m unfamiliar with and have never seen before. It doesn’t help that you frequently misuse terms that I am familiar with. If you’re this easily frustrated by simple questions about what you said, then you’re in the wrong place.
Fourth, a number of registered users (some current, some not) are frequently flagged, like Mason Wheeler, zof, td, or out_of_the_blue.
Fifth, I have not found any other comment that uses the term “Mandingo” as you allege. Same goes for the rape threat. I’d be happy to flag it, though, if you can point it out for me.
Sixth, I never said the others were nice; just nicer than you. With one exception, which they apologized for, I’ve never seen anyone else express death wishes or the like.
Seventh, you’re the one making the claims, so you have to prove them, not me. Commonly spouting, “Do your own research,” is a strong indicator that you’re a conspiracy theorist who probably lacks evidence. I follow Hitchen’s Razor: a claim stated without evidence can be disregarded. This isn’t school; this is a discussion amongst peers and strangers.
And finally, I only criticized you for bringing up incels in the first place because you gave no reasoning or evidence for it and it had nothing to do with the discussion up to that point. Other than when you tell people to kill themselves, I’ve never actually criticized you for your bigoted language and coarse language other than to point out that you have no right to complain when others respond in kind.
The rest of what you said is mostly just ad hominem attacks and more claims without evidence. I’ll just end with Hanlon’s Razor (paraphrased): Never attribute to malice what can be easily explained by ignorance or incompetence.
Re: Re: Oh so telling priorities...
So much wrong here.
Seriously, do you know nothing about what LGBTQ means? It doesn’t solely consist of people who have sex with people of the same gender/sex. It’s very broad.
If I lived in Alabama I would have multiple recording devices
Castle Doctrine in Alabama allows you to use deadly force on the person breaking into your residence. The police are required to announce their presence prior to attempting to break down your door. Since they sometimes ignore these requirements, I would have multiple cameras recording all possible approaches to the home. If they perform a no-knock entry, they have given the residents permission to shoot to kill.
Re: If I lived in Alabama I would have multiple recording device
The police now have what is referred to as the reverse castle doctrine, where they can bust in unannounced, kill everyone and the dog because they feared for their lives.
“Everyone agrees that it should be a hate crime to shoot a police officer,”
Even when you find out after having shot what you thought was a home invasion by street thugs … wait a sec ….
Again...
Never trust a LEO (or their sycophants and enablers).
Everyone is supposed to be equal before the law.
Supposed to.
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Oh but you see, everyone is equal under the law, it’s just some are more equal than others.
“Too stupid, even for Alabama...”
Said nobody. Ever.
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Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Yep, you TechShit Lefties are a real bunch of Assholes.
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If you don’t like it here, leave. Nobody forced you to read a site you despise or comment on articles you dislike except you.
Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
[Asserts facts not in evidence]
Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
"…you TechShit Lefties"
The troll stated, about a site filled with liberal conservatives…
NewSpeak working out well for you?
Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Going straight in with childish name mangling is a hallmark of the deranged far-right. I’ve never seen those on the left engage in this behavior but I see it from the RWNJs all the time. They’re incapable of discussing anything or simply expressing an opinion without starting straight off at the bottom of the intellectual barrel. I’m beginning to think that you have to have a very low IQ in order to qualify for their little club. Kinda like police departments.
Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Yeah, that whole "Drumpf" thing? Never happened…
Re: Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Yeah, their surname was never Drumpf was it.
Does it matter if it was in the 17th or 19th century?
Maybe doanld should get on of those right to be forgotten thingies.
Re: Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Yeah, that whole "Drumpf" thing? Never happened…
His grandfather was a German immigrant — Friedrich Drumpf. Doesn’t the male child keep his surname once he marries?
Unlike the birth certificate bullshit, there’s actually a real line to follow.
Re: Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Uh, guys? "Baby Trump blimp" totally happened. Yes. we make fun of Trump and all the other nutters because their antics lend themselves to criticism. "Those on the left" are just as prone to making fun of and ridiculing people as those on the right.
Anyone whose heroes are being lampooned for behaving badly should take their lumps and stop whingeing about it.
Re: Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
that’s his real name dumbass
Re: Re: Re:2 Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Well, not really.
The reason for the "drumpf" debacle is because Trump called a political adversary out on having changed his name and made a big deal out of it.
While conveniently forgetting that his family used to be called "drumpf", not "Trump" and he was in fact shitting on his own granddad when he was pounding out that logical blunder.
It’s a valid lampoon but the issue is that Trump offers so very MANY lampoon-worthy gaffes sticking to any one of them becomes obsolete in a hurry.
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Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
I bet you like assholes, but only when your raping them in a squad car or a jail.
Pucker up shitbag, you can kiss mine for free.
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Re: Re: ahem
WOMP WOMP bro.
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Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
R/O/G/S, your syphilis is showing
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Re: Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
On your chin, maybe. Or is that a herp sore? Either way, you cant sue me for it cuz your just a lil whore like yer mom.
Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
Well, you clearly out-debated us. I mean, we’d better just hang up our hats and give up because you clearly won the internet, right?
I especially like the SpecialCaps in the middle of BadGrammar.
Please try harder at disconnecting yourself from the internet.
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Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
I like your shit staind ass plug, in your mouth, where it properly belongs.
Art immitates ideology, you butt plug. e
And you, yourself, should try to avoid putting a bulle in your own face.
Not that I would stop you though. You are total dead weight
Re: Re: Techshit are a bunch of Lefty A-holes
My (ROGS ) Comment hit your post.
Apologies. It was directed at the sheitbag.
Re: Fuck your feelings
Womp Womp bro
If they tack on other people who deserve protection and it’s already a death penalty offense it seems fine to me.
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Everybody already has said protection. Everyone. Nevermind that more laws don’t make people safer. The laws do already exist.
This latest garbage is just political grandstanding, hoping for more votes in the next election. It achieves absolutely nothing.
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Yeah, what’s the point of adding additional punishment if the minimum punishment for the crime is death?
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It’s in case the perp turns into a vampire or zombie.
the police are supposed to be the ones protecting us…
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Well, not so much, as they’ve gone to court(twice I believe) to make clear that they don’t in fact have any duty to protect the public.
That said, if they actually wanted to ‘protect’ police then step one would be to start cracking down on the corruption endemic in US police departments and working on restoring the relationship between the police and the public, restoring it to one of trust rather than fear.
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If they can’t be corrupt, there would be no point in being a police officer, at least according to many people in the Maryland Baltimore area who are current cops.
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Seems like cops and certain legislators believe "To protect and serve" is what the public should be doing to the cops.
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Crowd funding law enforcement by arresting your money.
Another of many indicators that the us is slipping into third world status.
Is hating the growing trend of making more things a ‘hate crime’, a hate crime?
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Not yet .. officially anyways
so does this apply both ways?
Does this mean any time a cop shoots/tasers/rubber bullets someone it’s a hate crime?
Re: so does this apply both ways?
Hahahahahahahahahaha… no.
Silly civilian.
Re: Re: so does this apply both ways?
Actually it is.
But they have qualified immunity.
Next step: making it a "hate crime" to insult the police.
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lack of boot licking is taken as an insult
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And boot licking will be considered assaulting on officer with bodily fluids and be met with deadly force.
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Stop hitting by boot with your face!
Stop it now!
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Its so bizarre how people like you routinely denigrate and flag my posts, despite the fact that we have the same nemesis.
The only difference, I think, is that you are a keyboard warrior, with zero actual experience getting Tased® or jailed, or stalked by police for taking actual risks for free speech.
Quite sad. For every one of me, there are millions of you.
And, thats not just sad, its Naziriffic© and helps the BadGooodguys©
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You’re being flagged for continually calling people Nazis or incels for no or stupid reasons. In other words, you’re acting like a troll. That’s the difference here. It’s not the difference in your (just-now-alleged) experiences. I mean, for one thing, you never even brought up your past experiences before, and we have no idea who you are, so how could your past experience have anything to do with your post being flagged?
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Takes one to know one dimwit.
And, this is a K4 controlled forum, that runs ADL boilerplate, and attracts those types of incels(they are currently flagging and bickering on another post about how when they/YOU use the pejorative its ok, cuz, asexual, but when others use it RacisLGBTQwuteversemitisticisms!)
And none of you whoever youare ever speak to the content that the TD authors write about, so theres that, troll.
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Two things.
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I don’t think you know what an incel is. Even if we just take the literal meaning (“involuntary celibate”), an asexual cannot be an incel because they lack the desire for sex that would make them celibate involuntarily. It doesn’t make much sense in the primary sense, either, which is a more restrictive definition.
Furthermore, considering the fact that this site is critical of the ADL, I highly doubt that it’s running ADL boilerplate, but for the sake of argument, please point out specifically where this site runs ADL boilerplate.
Also, what the hell is a K4-controlled forum, and what’s wrong with it?
As for the stuff about “whoever you are”, that’s rich coming from you, who uses a clear pseudonym without a profile and continually changing your IP address. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it does make this stuff about “whoever you are” somewhat hypocritical. We don’t know who you are, either.
And we have talked about the content of the article. You haven’t, really; just insulted the author and us by calling us incels and comparing us to Nazis in the comments of an article that has absolutely nothing to do with incels or Nazis, nor does it recite any of the claims, talking points, or rhetoric of either group.
And only one person has called you a Nazi. No one else had called you a racist, anti-Semite, or anti-LGBTQ person prior to this comment I’m responding to. I haven’t used either the Nazi or incel pejorative in reference to you at all.
Finally, I don’t think you understand why the term “asexual” was brought up in that conversation. It was just a clear example of LGBTQ people who don’t have sex or want to, contrary to what another person said. Then you said that the person who brought that up was an incel and compared them for a Nazi, leading to others questioning why you called them that for bringing up asexuals.
Re: Re: Re:3 Re:
Shitheel here isn’t just using a pseudoname, they’re defiling a stolen one.
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Really? That’s interesting. What is R/O/F/G supposed to mean, anyway?
Re: Re: Re:5 Re:
This meth-head started stinking up Techdirt’s comments since at least halfway through 2018 or so.
I recall seeing some of their distinctive diarrhea appearing underneath the names "Roger Strong" and "Roger S." (after we got the news the real Roger Strong had died) along with their standard "ROGS" "Rogs" "Rags" "R.o.g.s" "Rog, S." and other variants (made because alongside all their other delusions, they blue-esquely hallucinate that the name flags them for moderation) some time after someone pointed the similarity between Shitheel’s timecube-esque blog and Roger’s name.
So I still see every skidmark it leaves with with that letter combo as especially disgusting after that stunt.
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Also, when I am not posting here at TD, I frequently cruise deep web deathporn and snuff websites, which explains my disdain for facts, and my love of slander.
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I actually wasn’t aware that ROGS was a reference to Roger Strong.
Seriously, though, when you make John Smith look sane by comparison…
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"Seriously, though, when you make John Smith look sane by comparison…"
That’s harsh.
ROGS by whatever pseudonym can still pound out single sentences which don’t contain logical fallacies or depend on the total reversal of cause and effect as we know it. He also doesn’t do the posting analogy of the helicopter in joy every time some shit happens which sinks his own cause deeper in the shit or hauls it into the light.
Old Baghdad Bob/Blue/Jhon/Bobmail however…still stands unmatched in the sheer delusional basis he has for his rhetoric and his willingness to link every bad thing in the world, from trafficking, to terrorism, to the "heinous" crime of copyright infringement.
Whatever else you can say about ROGS he doesn’t act as if the Sony CEO took a hit of bad acid and started channeling Rudolf Hess before he sat down to write. Blue does.
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I missed this in the heat of the conversation. Thank you, I guess.
Re: Re: Re:7 Re:
Not originally.
I’m not going to link or mention it directly, but google for "Techdirt Roger Strong" and you should come across the death notice I mentioned, and be able to follow stories from that time period where Shitheel still bothered to make his username a link to his delusional conspiracy blog.
His name was fiction-blog reference first and foremost, and only linked to smearing Roger by his actions later.
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Oh, that I remember. And Strong’s unfortunate passing, too. Which makes the whole reference… actually pretty fucking baffling as to what’s the point of even doing it…
Re: Re: Re:9 Re:slander
And here, I demonstrate the online tactic of slander cum provabally false defamation
But at least Toom1275 is a transparent piece of shit, relatively harmless after you step on it.
Look!
Toom1275 is a sooper famous gamer!
Research Organized Gang Stalking t fidthe lik between #Gamergate and shitbags like Toom.
https://forums.warframe.com/profile/106533-toom1275/
Re: Re: Re:10 Re:slander
Setting aside the complete indecipherability and utter irrelevance of much of what you just said, regarding that comment, how was it even remotely defamation? I’m not seeing it at all.
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You are not just an easiy disproven liar, but a slanderer too.
And a bad internet detective to boot. In your case, a jackboot, cuz yer like that.
Research Organized Gang Stalking
for a complete ROGS Bingo and to understand online mobbing as demonstrated here by Toom 1275 and others.
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You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Among other things, slander is spoken. That is, it involves someone speaking with their voice. What someone wrote on the internet simply cannot be slander by definition, even if it’s defamatory.
Also, ignorance is a defense against defamation, you idiot. Even the lowest standard for defamation requires negligence. They can’t be both a liar and a bad internet detective.
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Sorry, I missed these last few posts, I was busy surfing for disabled dogporn and hitting “like” on reddit skinhead sites
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Well that sucks. I had just thought of restoring the game on my phone after the OS update gave me some more space somehow. I got the app back, but I get a "can’t connect to Halfbrick servers" error so it’s impossible me to restore my full-unlocked 100-prism account.
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Wow, this is pathetic.
Especially that bit about missing the last few posts, considering that it’s in response to my post. I expect better quality trolls, like R/O/G/S here. At least they act like they are legitimate.
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Should I feel honored that someone decided to (badly) parody me?
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It’s nice of him, though, to provide several examples of the very kind of "identity theft" he does to help prove my contention.
Luckily, his act is only convincing to those of the same moron-level intellect as himself.
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I just finished posting Toom1275s pro-jihad sentiments for the Uyghurs, on Weibo.
Have fun, you pasty white POS.
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No, dont flatter yourself.
But try not to get SWATed after your name crops up in a terrorist forum. Point the good officers to THIS POST HERE and tell them “I aint the one!”
Maybe take a screenshot, and hold it up as proof your innocent.
Then, remember me laughing out loud. Because this is exactly the type of shit you and yours do to others.
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I’d point the feds to your post and the post right above yours, in which you — an anonymous poster without a Techdirt account — (poorly) attempt to (poorly) imitate a poster with a Techdirt account and explicitly say you’ve done so for the purposes of getting someone in trouble with the feds.
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He turns his hallucinated persecution conspiracy into projection by being the only one here targeting and attacking strangers on the internet.
Similar to how Jhon keeps outlining his plots to send fraudulent reports to police and courts about anyone who counters his lies.
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You really are that stupid, arent you ? Dog, they are already here, and constituteca large part of TDs readership.
ROGS: Speak truth to power!
Stephen Stone: WAAA, Im callin the cops!
WAWA Helpline: Yes, how can I help you?
Stephen S.:WAAaaAA! Someone used a fake name online, and made a joke about the S-TEAMers! ! WaaaaAAAHAHAHAAAaaa.
WAWA Helpline: Is this you again, Stephen Stone?
Stephen Stone: Yes. And this is my thirteenth call this week. Do I win the Big Rat Bastard of the Week prize? Im a really good citizen, I promise. Listen: BUTTHERTZ! WAAAAWAAWAWW
WAWA Helpline: Stephen, are you on your medication? Do you have thoughts,about hurting yourself or others?
…..Dude they are ALREADY AWARE.
Did you somehow miss my post (just that one ) about K 4 moderated forums, where various agents, agencies, and private contractors monitor the f@ck out of first amendment protected speech, and try to incite violence, threats, and other b.s.? ?
You really are that stupid .
My entire persona IS DEMONSTRATIVE SPEECH.
An entire online persona that is a direct challenge to that form of rat bastard society -that which you easily jackboot along with, so please pass it along, you rat bastard
Unlike you, I welcome the challenges of actual free speech, while you duck under your Nazi Papa ® Underwear, and cower like a shitstain.
Hey, officer friendly, remember me? Yeah, its ROGS, AGAIN. HIGH!
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[Projects facts not in evidence]
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Really? That’s your strategy? That’s just sad.
Also, when exactly have I or any of the others impersonated anyone?
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Just that one time, remember? Halloween.
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I have no idea what you’re talking about.
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R/O/F/G-rolling on the floor gagging
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It means Romping Overtly and Grauitously in your Shitbag of a mothers ass
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You are without any doubt, a DVIC employee.
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And what does that mean?
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The DVIC is:
the Domestic Violence Industrial Complex, a system of undue processes that begin in any of many courts where cinstitutional rights,and civil libertes are demoished at thedoor; and that is what both left wing and right wing scholars, lawyers and other judicial activists from institutions like Harvard, or the Rutherford Institute, and even Patruck Henry university AGREE is a “Two Tiered” system of justice, where easy targets like city dwelling children who can be called a,“gang” and then stalked by police after the label is applied; or the indigent, black/brown/powhite trash men and other (mostly male) persons are entrapped in predatory and for-profit policing schemes, and actual debt bondage, which might actually be worse than slavery, if the Eric Garner case and the mystery suicide-murders of Ferguson activists is any example.
Its also what has directly led to America being a total and actual police state by the very definition of that term.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police%20state
You, Mr. Hull, might have noticed I have an actual army of trolls deleting my posts (you probably confuse these flaggers and derailers as “the good peeple of the TD community” but maybe, look a bit deeper….
Ask yourself #why that ACTUALLY is…..but especially -who are “they”?
With the false focus on me, you presume that they are human beings, a classic online discussion forum cheat.
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I’m sorry about your mental health issues, and I hope you receive help for them some day.
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Im sorry that you are a pathetic old unlikeable fag, whose entire social life consists of TD cred.
Oh- and your DVIC associated love of female pedophiles and child abusers like Kaylene Bowen, who tortured her son with 13 totally unnecessary body invasions, aka surgeries, as doctors raked in DVIC dollars, and people like you fully complicit.
https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2019/08/mother-who-subjected-child-to-13-surgeries-pleads-guilty-but-sons-future-hangs-in-balance/
It aint about mens rights you old Nazi fuck, its about equality and human rights; but specifically childrens rights to be free of people like you- a chance at a better future, protected from encountering you bickering, equivocating #firstworldproblems fake civil rights fucks who never spent a day in jail, or lacked a meal.
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Please seek professional help — if not for yourself, then for those few people who genuinely care about your health and well-being.
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Has the SWAT team arrived yet?
Trust me, if they put bullets in your face, while raiding your home to arrest your latest ass plug slave, I will DEFINITELY write about it after the fact, and tell the world what a nice POS you were, once….or maybe twice
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“Its so bizarre how people like you routinely denigrate and flag my posts, despite the fact that we have the same nemesis.”
Not really bro. You wanna shit up the thread up and not lie in the mess you made. Here’s a piece of advise for free before I tell you to kiss me ass. Have you tried not being a racist Nazi shitbag?
????
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None of your projection fits me, my life, my beliefs, or anything in “reality”
But that time-just that one, where you were f*cking your mother, and the dog hopped up on your ass?
Yeah- I did laugh in a Dr. Evil way about that. Not about the dog, but that look on your face when it came.
Oddly, I didnt feel bad about laughing tho.
But I promise not to laugh if you ever catch a bullet in your face, even though I might wanna, you True Israelite Brutha.
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The rest of your post says otherwise.
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You have an over-reactive, sort of paranoid reading between the lines problem, grandpa.
Only a moron would construe criticism of a wing nut movement like True Israelites as “racist”as they are an avowed reactionary racist group.
[cutaway to a long shot of an old man in a snow covered Illinois townhouse Googling“True Israelite Movement and Klan robes”]
Not that I dont empathize with them to some degree, having watched how white supremacist, and white Jewish-christian supremacy backed by covert FBI activity has afflicted black men for centuries.
I mean, in a world where ones own racism, and race based power is the only path to self protection, I sort of chuckle at the groups audacity, having coopted not only the beliefs and language of their oppressors, but actually doing so with full knowledge of religious chicanery and symbolical nuttery.
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…wut
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You have an over-reactive, sort of paranoid reading between the lines problem, grandpa.
Only a moron would construe criticism of a wing nut movement like True Israelites as “racist”as they are an avowed reactionary racist group.
[cutaway to a long shot of an old man in a snow covered Illinois townhouse Googling“True Israelite Movement and Klan robes”]
Not that I dont empathize with them to some degree, having watched how white supremacist, and white Jewish-christian supremacy backed by covert FBI activity has afflicted black men for centuries.
I mean, in a world where ones own racism, and race based power is the only path to self protection, I sort of chuckle at the groups audacity, having coopted not only the beliefs and language of their oppressors, but actually doing so with full knowledge of religious chicanery and symbolical nuttery.
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…wut
I think that Stephen was commenting on the stupidity of what you said.
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Stephen, third person, is just a lonely old gay man, with a few kinks (not that theres anything wrong with kink).
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I think Stephen is warming up a pair of Nazi Papa®© underwear to stick your face in.
Feel “free” to disagree.
But dont blame me if he stiffs you for the airplane ticket, after you go visit his #safespace in his basement.
Its only a drooling German shepherd with a constant hard on, and lots of old fold magazines from the 1950’s, full of B&W “idealized bodies” awaiting you, I promise.
And, “medical books” from the MKULTRA era.
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Re: Re: Re:6 wut?
WOMP WOMP.
I mean, in a world where ones own racism, and race based power is the only path to self protection, I sort of chuckle at the groups audacity, having coopted not only the beliefs and language of their oppressors, but actually doing so with full knowledge of religious chicanery and symbolical nuttery.
You always skip over the substance, and go straight to blubbering b.s.
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I don’t necessarily think criticism of the True Israelites is racist or antisemetic (in part because I am unfamiliar with the movement; from what you’ve said, they appear to be a (possibly radical) group of black Jews). However, calling someone a “True Israelite” for no apparent reason could be racist and/or antisemetic.
Seriously, why do you think that this particular AC is a radical black Jew? I can’t think of any explanation for that that is neither racist nor antisemetic. That’s not “an overreactive, sort of paranoid reading-between-the-lines” thing; you literally called someone a member of the True Israelites, which you call a radical group of black Jews, based solely on what they said, despite the fact that they don’t claim to be black or Jewish, nor did they mention True Israelites in any way. And since they’re an AC, I can’t think of any reason you would be able to identify who they were outside of this comment section, so I doubt you have any inside information about them. That suggests that you have some sort of preconceived notions on what a black Jew would say here, which seems kinda racist and/or antisemetic to me.
The stuff about their mom, a dog, sex, laughing at them or not laughing at them, and them getting shot in the face doesn’t make you look great, either, though I suppose that they aren’t inherently racist, antisemetic, or pro-Nazi either. Then again, this was all said about someone you also called a True Israelite, especially that bit about not laughing if they got shot in the face even if you might want to.
Yeah, the rest of your post could easily suggest that you are, in reality, “being a racist Nazi scumbag”. And I don’t see anywhere where the AC or Stephen said anything about criticism of True Israelites, partly because you weren’t actually criticizing them (though your distaste for them was obvious). You just called the AC a “True Israelite Brutha” with no explanation or any relation to what was said prior to that comment. That’s what was being construed as “racist”, not your personal feelings about True Israelites.
Also, you seem to be in the habit of presuming someone’s age from little to no information and with no reasoning backing it up. Shall we add “ageist” to the list of pejoratives?
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Hull, you appear slightly rational by this forums standards, so I will address just a small part of what you said:
1-the initial derailing occured over several threads (and if you follow that Nazi Toom1275 posts, you will see that it goes back a few years) , with distinct ACs using Stones much loved #bro to attempt to insult me
2-that progressed to several smears that I am a KKK member, that i fuck my double wide sister (and of course, no one called out the fat shaming on that poster)and more.
3-then you showed up out of fucking nowhere, along with a few other nyms who have a strong online presence indicating that they are #gamers and other techies, many of whom are active nyms in DeviantArt, and other similar forums.
So, in short, I too am making listsand using this data above to profile induviduals here.
Linguistically speaking, there are now strong correllations (evidence) between this forums posters, and cliques of known online harassers, some of whoms tactical assaults and online mobbing have been definitively linked to mass shootings.
Also linguistically speaking, the types of comments these online abusers make echo the rhetoric of Black Israelites, whether by fact, coincidence, or inference I havent determined yet.
Without indulging you too much, I study how policies of Countering Violent Extremism (CVE) have led to online and offline mobbings where people die, and this is entirely preventable. And what you are seeing above is my documentation of how online mobbing works(in fact, you are participating in it).
All of this will form the basis of research that I am doing, and has formed the basis of many news stories you read today, as I have documented these things, and changed the way news reporters view these issues across the world.
Most recently, I worked with a journalist from Bangladesh to expose these tactics, that we saw featured in the Pensacola shooting, and gave advice about how to report them accordingly. That journalist is,also concerned about how outside agencies target, stalk, harass and radicaluze individuals too.
TD, not so much, cuz they are in bed with actual radicalizers, as I noted to you before.
Because online mobbing (which you are watching here in action)by various organizations is now definitively linked to crime, but most importantly, it is how the FBI and other agencies are working to attack speech and speakers and orchestrate/incite violence and control social movements.
So, about the Black Israelites, no, they are not Jews in the modern (and most frequently not genetic) sense, though their claims of modern targeting and persecution are validated repeatedly as both Jews and christians reject their claims, and gaslight the suffering of blacks who have scarred identities, those identities scarred by white, Jewish, and white female supremacy.
Thats all I got for ya today, but keep on flaggin! And know that you are in the company of actual Nazis, zionazis, and other race/gender supremacists, aka, K4 mobs, which rival the altRigt in their violence, cognitive dissonance, and privilege.
And those mobs, frequently working with actual private “intelligence” firms to attempt to actually incite violence, as we saw with the Pensacola shooter and so many others.
Stephen Stone is likely just a lonely old gay guy(not that theres anything wrong with that) and Toom1275 I suspect, is a sadistic type, or other DVIC affilliated cyberstalker; but regardless exhibits sociopathic traits online, as do many other TD posters.
Stay tuned for the book, but wow, its a lot of work bringing cockroaches out of the woodwork. Maybe you can assist that endeavor?
Oh, never mind-LOOK! UP THERE!
You have already helped, substantively.
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Bisexual, to be fair, but given your posts in other discussion threads over the past few days, that bit about there being nothing wrong with my sexual orientation rings hollow. Please get help for whatever mental health issues you may have.
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My guess is paranoid schizophrenia.
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My guess with you is father -mother issues, augmented by a personality disorder unspecified, likely Axis 1, comorbid with narcissistic personality traits, Amirite?
I mean, according to the DMS 4.
DMS 5 got rid of all those pseudo scientific Axis -4 slanders based in pseudo science, but unfortunately cannot get rid of people like you who actually utilize outdated, plainly wrong definitions and theories of personality.
Go take your meds, tulip.
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Bisexual, or just fucking desperate, you ugly old queen?
Well, I appreciate your honesty anyways.
No, really I do. It takes courage to be one of you, at your age.I respect sex positive people, of any gender, at any age, always, 100%
Your bullying, your insanity, not so much, because people like you, harrassing young queers online has had disastrous effects, and some of that, with legal consequences for the poor kids.
Please knock it off (no, that is not me concurring with you doing these things, and then wanking over it.)
You really should study how the gay mafia and its online trolling in allegiance to and loyalty towards the police state is enabling/inciting/causing mass shootings. Its an eye opener.
Of course, I know you only think about your third eye, gramps, but its ok. You are old, and feeble.
But consequences of gay online trolling have real world implications.
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press X to Doubt
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Well, you are clearly NOT a person.
So, that clause has no meaning.
You are a Nazi Papa® underwear pig.
People (and i use that term loosely with you, specifically )like you lick underwear shart stains.
And, its plainly weird.
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I’m sorry you have mental health issues, but I can’t help you with them.
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Damn bro. That is some Jhon level of projection. Have you threatened to rape anyone lately?
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R/O/G/S, wipe the drool off your chin and come over here and wrap your lips around this
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"Its so bizarre how people like you routinely denigrate and flag my posts, despite the fact that we have the same nemesis."
Not really, no.
You get flagged because the content of your posts consists of conspiracy sit and when called on that you reply in a thick smear of ad homs rather than any form of civilized debate.
It’s that simple.
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And, more and more, you will see your lily white stupid ass flagged into infinity too.
Substanceless shitbags like you are a long term project, with long term results
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First, you have provided less substance to this or any discussion I’ve seen on this site than anyone else who has written in this comment section, so you calling SCM here “substanceless” is a clear case of projection and hypocrisy.
Second, you’re only proving his point, you know, by not responding to the substance of what he said and only using ad homs to attack him.
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Sadly, "insults" are already part of "hate crimes".
So it’s not the next step, it’s the current one.
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In the U.S., at least, insults against members of a protected class aren’t, in and of themselves, hate crimes. They may be used to demonstrate that some act of violence was a hate crime or something, but the insults themselves are not hate crimes.
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Ah right. Some countries do include them as "hate crimes", but the US still exclude insults. It has to reach the level of threats to be a crime.
Crimes Are Acts Not Motives
"Everyone agrees that it should be a hate crime to shoot a police officer…"
Nope.
Hate is a motive. The whole idea of upscaling the severity of "regular" crimes by the particular motive modifier "hate" was initially and remains idiotic.
Motive, means, and opportunity are the usual aspects to be proven by criminal prosecutors. Allowing motive to be presumed in the very name of a law is entirely prejudicial. Only a fuzzy-minded, hate-filled, and hate-fearing populace could permit its legislative representatives to conceive and canonize such confusion in the classification and naming of crime.
Let’s face it, given the way some cops have acted, shooting one (hatefully or otherwise) might be justifiable homicide, possibly even a public service, not a predefined class of crime of any sort.
Outright lying
I think he’s directly lying here. He doesn’t want to add cops to "protected classes" just in case a cop gets shot. Most people would indeed agree that shooting a cop is a criminal act that should prosecuted with the full force of the law. But, as stated in the article, you already risk the death penalty for that so that’s overkill (literally).
However, "hate crimes" also include several restrictions on what is normally speech protected by first amendment. I suspect that is his actual goal (or that of whoever "suggested" this bill to him) is to add a chilling effect on speech criticizing cops. "Insulting" a cop could then be considered a hate crime, adding more charges to someone angry at being arrested. (Which often already include "resisting arrest", even when the cops had to legal reason to arrest in the first place.)
Cops aint minorities
This is idiotic.
Sure, cops doing their jobs properly do deserve some sort of protections (although we seem to be falling into the mistake of assuming tougher laws = less crimes, something completely contradicted by the evidence), but this undermines the whole concept of a ‘hate crime’ protected category.
Part of the reason black folks, gay folks, etc get this category is the crime involves persecuting somebody for factors they have absolutely no control over. People can’t choose to be black or gay, its baked into their essence, and it has no moral implications to their value as a person. In a society thats equal black folks, and gay folks, have every right to expect the same opportunities and protections as the rest.
This means people who go out of their way to harm black people or gay people need an extra large bat waved in their direction because their actions don’t just hurt that individual they hurt the whole of society, because it means theres a whole class of people who through no choice of their own are in extended danger and that means we’ve failed as a society to protect the values that define it.
But Cops sign up for danger. They choose to be Cops. And bless em, a cop that risks his life to save my neck, deserves praise and perhaps even some laws to discourage folks from harming that cop. But its not a "hate crime" ,and the cops not a minority. He’s a guy that chose a dangerous job, even if we decide that the dangerous job is a necessary one.
Are we going to make it a hate crime to shoot at soldiers? This might prove to be a problem for the military who are PAID to shoot at soldiers!
Re: Cops aint minorities
Add to this that minorities in general are weak as communities. Some of them might be individually strong, but by the numbers and lack of rights, they are vulnerable, historically oppressed and deserve added protection.
Cops in general are respected members of society (when they don’t bring the hate on themselves through their own actions), with several layers of physical and legal protections. (Badges and authority, guns, "aggravated circumstances" when assaulted, etc.)
Adding them to the list of "protected categories" is just allowing bullies to tag themselves with the label of "victim" because some people are complaining of the bullying. (Not that all cops are bullies – hopefully – but those who are will definitely abuse this denomination.)
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LIBERATE THE ONECELIBATES NOW!
PRAISE JESUS®AND THE ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE®!© for blessing us with the rhetoric of hate crimes legislation
The brand is really catching on with the masses!
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Was this meant as a response to someone? Because the subject line makes no sense for this comment.
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He’s just mad that there might be actual social consequences for his speech. Bit of a snowflake that one.
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Whoever they are…and, another ROGS Bingo, with the gay flag brigade and their allies at the free speech champions at the Pacific Justice Institute (or International Justice Mission for that matter)for the incelibate win!
Yeah, free speech huh? The west is now united by left and right concurrence that fascism-via-flag brigades are the way to a prop up the fascists of all stripes.
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For the last time, there is 0 connection between the LGBTQ community and incels. They have nothing to do with each other.
Also, I don’t believe there’s any connection between either of those movements and either the Pacific Justice Institute or International Justice Movement.
Actually, there appears to be no connection among any of the things you say, nor do any of them have anything to do with the article.
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Please, say this lie, below, again until even you (and Joseph Goebbels ghos doing a reacharound on Freud and his cousin Edward Bernays)believe it:
there is 0 connection between the LGBTQ community and incels
The “Incel movement/psychological operation was started by an LGBTQWutever female/anonymous female identified/FBI/Mossad provocateur”
But you have Cero evidence of your supposition, whereas I have connected a dot between incels, and FBI/Mossadi jihaadi/K4 tribal b.s. online, with empirical evidence, and citing MSM articles.
Really, stop drawing (fake) boobie pictures and posting your sub-par garbage on DeviantArt, and join the rest of us combatting the real, and actual enemies of our (flawed but possible) democracy.
https://incels.wiki/w/Alana
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Let me clarify: there is 0 connection between the definitions of the LGBT community and incel community, by which I mean the two ideas are unrelated. Being a member of the LGBT community says nothing about whether you’re an incel, and vice versa. That’s what I meant. The topics are unrelated.
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Also, for the record, not that it matters, but I don’t draw. At all. I write.
What have I told you about making assumptions about people online?
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As for this:
No, you have not. You cited one MSM(?) article and one article from a Wiki about incels, and only for the proposition that the person who started the incel community was female and a member of the LGBT community. You provided no other evidence for anything, nor did you provide any connective reasoning between that one fact and any of the other things you’ve claimed. You still haven’t explained what K4 is (yes, you said what it stands for, but that really doesn’t explain anything), and you only recently started mentioning jihadis, Mossadis, or the FBI at all.
So yeah, that is complete BS.
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Please, say this lie, below, again until even you (and Joseph Goebbels ghos doing a reacharound on Freud and his cousin Edward Bernays)believe it:
there is 0 connection between the LGBTQ community and incels
The “Incel movement/psychological operation was started by an LGBTQWutever female/anonymous female identified/FBI/Mossad provocateur”
But you have Cero evidence of your supposition, whereas I have connected a dot between incels, and FBI/Mossadi jihaadi/K4 tribal b.s. online, with empirical evidence, and citing MSM articles.
Really, stop drawing (fake) boobie pictures and posting your sub-par garbage on DeviantArt, and join the rest of us combatting the real, and actual enemies of our (flawed but possible) democracy.
https://incels.wiki/w/Alana
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Yup, Im so mad…eeeewwwWWWW!ALLLCAAAAAPPPPSZZZ!
But I am not wrong at all, sorry fundie fudgie undies. Even your (totally off topic, thread derailing, racist) chicanery cant hide that fact.
Oh, look! The incel movement, which has been linked to many, many mass,shootings, was started by a woman(of one or another LGBTQWutever flavor)
https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/incel-movement-alek-minassian-elliot-rodger/
PRAISE JESUS®AND THE ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE®!© for blessing us with the rhetoric of hate crimes legislation
The brand is really catching on with the masses!
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First off, no one cares who started the movement. According to the article, she doesn’t even support a lot of what is typical among modern incels.
Second, not that I support the incel movement or anything (I don’t), but I am not aware of a lot of mass shootings being linked to them. There are some, for sure, but I don’t believe they’re that common.
Third, none of that has to do with hate crime legislation or the ADL. Nothing in that article mentions either.
Also, it’s rich hearing you accuse that AC of derailing a thread (which at the time only had two comments on it anyway) considering how much you have derailed multiple threads.
Additionally, this doesn’t prove your original point, which was a suggestion that mentioning that asexuals are part of LGBTQ is something an incel or Nazi would say. It also doesn’t prove that a sizable number, let alone a majority and certainly not all, LGBTQ or pro-LGBTQ people are or support incels. Again, if you read the article, it notes that even early on, the incel community was dominated by men talking about women (so presumably heterosexual). The person who founded it over 26 years ago does not define and is not necessarily representative of what the community is today.
Finally, I have to ask about this:
How was that comment fundie or racist? Race and religion weren’t mentioned at all.
Honestly, this comment is irrelevant to anything anyone has said here.
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re:First off, no one cares who started the movement
You lost me there. I mean,
if no one cares that an LGBTQ woman stared the incel movement, then why did Heavy.com cover it, as well as thousands of other MSM sources?
Obviously, SOMEONE cared enough to uncover that important fact, as most MSM were running narrative about incels as men only. Did it ever occur to you that theres a bigger picture, and you are dissing it?
Do you believe what you read in the news? That mighty sheeple of you, but ultimately against your better interests.
After that, who can talk to a person who asks such a question?
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Let me clarify: no one here cares. In the abstract, from a historical perspective, it’s an interesting tidbit that the founder of the original community was a lesbian or bisexual woman. It doesn’t actually matter, but it’s an interesting fact, I suppose. It’s completely immaterial to your arguments, though.
Sure, there’s a bigger picture, but I don’t see why I should care in this thread. As I said, there’s a discussion to be had on the topic of incels, but this is neither the time nor the place to have it. Please move this discussion to somewhere that actually relates to incels or mass shootings or conspiracy theories or whatever.
In general, yes, with a grain of salt, and only if the news source is reliable. Though given that you are trying to convince me how important a particular fact is based on how the MSM covered it and expect me to believe that fact based on an article you’re citing, I don’t see what your point of asking this is.
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And this: I don’t believe….
Do your own research.
But your buhliefs, sans evience, are no better than the adherents of The Jesus®, people who cut their fingernails out of order, or Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
I could provide a list of people who were smeared as incels or other perverts online, and off; mobbed, and bullied, and harassed until they went ballistic (and then the online Facebook/Twittercetera evidence trails are webscrubbed and deleted), but I dont have time to do your homework today.
Eliot Roger
Adam Lanza
William Atchisson
Sol Pais
Richard Bierele
Omar Mateen
Devin Kelley
Cosmo Setepenra (a Hotep name if ever I saw one)
….I mean, etc.
Have fun reading all of that( I have already), but FBI/CIA/JTRIG/ private untel/ security et al jihadis are a dangerous group of inline and offline sociopaths, bro, and CVE is designed to CREATE not negate terrorism.
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I’m unfamiliar with most of those people (and CVE; what is that anyway?), but I know that Eliot Roger wasn’t called an incel by others until after he murdered a bunch of people because he wasn’t getting laid. Before that, people online had no idea who he was. He was never harassed or bullied or mobbed or anything, and he never claimed to be. He just whined that women couldn’t see how great a catch he was. That’s it. He was complaining about not getting enough attention, not for being seen as a bad guy.
Seriously, do you know nothing about this guy? Why should I bother looking into the others when the very first one is so wrong?
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R/O/G/S:
"Yup, Im so mad…eeeewwwWWWW!ALLLCAAAAAPPPPSZZZ!
But I am not wrong at all, sorry fundie fudgie undies."
you’ve no idea how to do human, do you, much less coherence?
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Maybe, Ms. Hull, theres a subtle joke in there somewhere, about self-indulgence or something, but I cant expect you Yugioh crowd of fanboys,who get all excited about a free upgrade ir a level up, to understand subtlety, or nuance when encountering pitched battles online, portending to be about the first amendment, but in reality, are just tribal sectarians united to crush speech, using useful idiots like….well, just look above.
So stick with your right wing pals at the Pacific Justice Institute or IJM, ADL, etc. to help you protect free speech.
I just dont have the time, or the budget to continuously educate your generation about what the first amendment fight is really all about.
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I’m male, but whatever.
Well, I don’t get it. Are you indulging yourself? How? And what does self-indulgence have to do with anything anyone has said?
Huh? Where did you get all this about Yu-gi-oh, video games, or fanboys? It has nothing to do with anything going on here or the point you’re trying to make. I also can’t think of anything anyone has ever said on this site that is even remotely connected to Yu-gi-oh. Also, you clearly know nothing about Yu-gi-oh. It’s not exactly the sort of game that focuses on leveling up or getting upgrades, free or otherwise.
To be clear, nothing about love for Yu-gi-oh or video games suggests any of this. Also, I don’t see any of what you’re talking about in evidence from anything anyone else has said. If this is about your comments getting flagged and hidden, a) that’s not censorship, b) the First Amendment doesn’t have cover that, since this is a privately owned forum, and c) if you said anything of substance instead of just trolling with irrelevant and insulting nonsense, then you wouldn’t be flagged in the first place.
First, this site seems to have more of a libertarian lean, maybe slightly left, if it has any political lean at all. It isn’t right-leaning, that’s for sure.
Second, I’m a Democrat with some libertarian ideas. I’m not a right-winger at all. Nor do I identify with the ideals of the ADL.
Third, this site has been critical of the ADL.
How much money does it cost to post information on this site? I do it for free. It shouldn’t impact your budget at all.
Furthermore, your excuse for not including evidence or clarification is weak, especially considering how much time you’ve already spent on this website just today, well after the article was posted. At any rate, no support means we have no obligation to believe or try to understand anything you say.
Also, this had nothing to do with my comment, which had nothing to do with the First Amendment.
It’s also hilarious that you think you can lecture us about the First Amendment. Are you new to this site? We’re quite well read about the First Amendment. We’re opposed to SLAPP suits, using DMCA complaints to censor critics, anti-hate-speech laws, preliminary injunctions against speech, and other restrictions on free speech. We’re in favor of anti-SLAPP laws, copyright reform to stop copyright overenforcement and copyright trolls, patent reform, and CDA §230.
In the end, based on your accusations against “my generation” (despite not knowing my age), all I can say is, “Ok, boomer.”
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Lots of you versus we in your statements. I mean whoever they are
Theres just too much to unpack up there, and all of it eons removed from my original comment about selective flagging.
You plainly have hidden your culpability for derailing behind “we” and “us” statements that imply you are employed by, but without evidence that you represent TD, which I suspect you are not, but trying to build a false narrative thatvyou are.
So, if in fact you are employed there, provide proof, or GTFO. But regardless, in either case, you confirm my hypotheses.
As for a) that’s not censorship, you are countering arguments I never made, anywhere, ever about TD, which is one of the most speech tolerant platforms on the net.
And since the acceptable argument contains proscriptions on speech conventions rather than outright censorship, I am surprised you would even point out my use of Ms. to address you. So, your either touchy on that topic, or your internal/external logic is inconsistent or flawed.
Then, this gem: Third, this site has been critical of the ADL
Lets not even go there, ok? Masnicks TD and its troll army uses boilerplate ADL language, tactics, and ideology, so, telling the boss that his shirt is missing a button doesnt constitute substantive criticism, not by a sniper shot.
And this other jewel of logichow much time you’ve already spent on this website just today
It has been said that people with Aspergers, autism, communism, schizophrenia or feminism simply cannot see the irony or humor in their own double standards and hypocrisy, or their lack of humor, due to a flawed or insane internal logic, and interpret all situations literally.
Which one are you?
Then, its just bizarre how you include yourself so readily and easily into some ambiguous, amorphous and anonymous mob online, which you yourself claim is anonymous(its not, its coordinated), and yet somehow you express with contradictory certainty that you are it/them/us.
So which is it?
Most oddly, we share the same foes, most of the time, but your version of activism is jittering around in forums about topics of easy consensus, whereas my dialectic has provably and actually changed the way we speak about certain topics, even as squad cars parked outside my houses as I hit send on an email, because local politicos and dirty cops dont like what I say.
And I have actually put companies INTO business, and taken them OUT of business with my pure speech alone (with the help of a few good lawyers of course).
As for anything else, you have left a substantial (unpaid) presence on the web, easily found here at TD or elsewhere.
https://www.angrybirdsnest.com/achievements/free/
That all said, I like to write, and play with words, much the way that you waste time on video games.
Guess which one is more productive?
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First, in case you missed it, I also used “I” and “me” statements, like here:
I also never claimed to represent TD. When I said “we” or “us”, I was speaking on behalf of frequent commenters on TD, of which I am one.
My point was you’re assuming that I am a Ms. I was taking issue with the fact that you’re assuming my gender, and only because you seem to love assuming a lot about people. I don’t actually care in general.
As for the censorship thing, it’s good that you understand how it works here, but I’m also perplexed as to why you’re complaining about being flagged.
Again, please point out this use of “boilerplate ADL language, tactics, and ideology.” Masnick’s past criticisms of the ADL make me leant towards the conclusion that you’re just making that up, but feel free to disprove this. I’m willing to accept I may be wrong about that, but you still haven’t proven that you’re right or given me anything more to work with here.
Also, this seems to contradict what you said about TD being so open.
First, that has nothing to do with the quote you just pulled. I was saying that to point out that your claim of lacking the time to explain further rings hollow. I’m not criticizing you for spending so much time on this site; that would be hypocritical. However, it does mean you’re not off the hook for failing to explain anything.
Second, the answer to your question is: none of your business. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t mind disclosing which, but I’m sick and tired of you making assumptions about people online. And, honestly, it doesn’t matter here.
I honestly have no idea what you’re referring to here. I never said anything about a mob at all. Also, by definition, a mob isn’t coordinated, and a group being coordinated doesn’t preclude it being anonymous. Have you never heard of Anonymous or astroturfing?
I did say we have true ACs here… in response to someone speaking as an AC.
But really, I’m not seeing any contradiction here. Even an anonymous, unorganized mob can have some largely consistent characteristics which I may or may not share.
Apparently, you’re unfamiliar with my full online presence. (Which is fine, actually.) I have discussed plenty of things on other sites where there was no clear consensus and have taken controversial positions.
That said, I don’t really consider myself an activist. (Which is why I’m not being more specific about that; it’s irrelevant.) I just talk about what I want to talk about and say what I want to say.
As for sharing the same foes, that may very well be true in general. However, I take issue with some of your means, and we don’t agree on everything. For example, I don’t think you should call someone an incel for mentioning that asexuals exist. (If you’ll recall, that was the start of this whole mess.) I also don’t think you should make so many assumptions about people, online or otherwise. Furthermore, and you would know this if you paid attention to what I’ve done on this site, I actually like to ask both sides—whether I agree with them or not—for proof and such. I have also flagged people on both sides, though of course there’s no way for you to prove or disprove that. I like to make discussions productive, so I tend to go after those who are being vague, absolutist, are wrong about something, or are making unjustified assumptions.
Well, good for you. I don’t really care, though, nor does this have any relevance to this thread.
Okay…? But this only makes me more confused.
I’m guessing that you gathered my interest in Yu-gi-oh and DeviantArt from that as well. Maybe you even figured out my age (though that is unclear). I could point out that that particular game is one I haven’t played for years and I don’t have any current interest in, and I could also point out that you haven’t definitively proven that that bhull242 is me (there are others), but it doesn’t really matter.
Yes, I enjoy playing video games in my spare time. I also used to play Yu-gi-oh and enjoy some DeviantArt. Congrats on figuring that out. I wasn’t exactly hiding any of that, but whatever.
I’m still confused about how that’s relevant. It doesn’t really make any difference to the point I was making or that I was responding to.
This also adds new questions. Why did you think I was female? Why did you think I favored the right wing? You’ve gotten several things wrong about me that are just as easy to discover as my past playing Angry Birds.
Apparently, you’re unfamiliar with the concept of “hobbies”. In general, they aren’t supposed to be productive.
At any rate, I, too, like to write and play with words. As you say, I also play video games (though I don’t consider it wasting time). I enjoy watching and reading about funny stuff online. I enjoy reading fanfiction and manga and some books. I often write comments on topics that interest me. I write code, do math, research various subjects, and edit others’ works in my spare time. Some of these things are productive; some aren’t.
It doesn’t matter, though, because how we each choose to spend our spare time is irrelevant. I’m only talking about what’s going on here and now. Your success and productivity elsewhere is immaterial. Same goes for mine. I. Don’t. Care.
Here, at least, you have been clearly and incredibly unproductive, maybe even counterproductive at times. You inspire no confidence that you are a skilled writer or orator or that you know what you’re talking about. I have no reason to believe much of what you say. You are doing your cause, whatever that may be, a disservice IMHO. Unlike you, I have no interest in doing a deeper search into who you are; I really, really don’t care, and nothing I’d find would change anything.
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We get it, you’re an anti-Semitic incel. Go troll Reddit.
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I will take your suggestion with a grain of (not anti-semitic, not anti-gay) salt.
I think I will start in r/dogporn, and work my way towards r/buttplugfetish/s
But it really bothers your types that I publicize the inner workings of the incel psychological operation, and the net effects of #safespaces contributing to mass shootings, doesnt it? Why is that?
Being against ADLification of the American dialectic spaces does not make a person anti-semitic, anti-gay, or anti-Hotep Nation.
But it has helped me, and others see who it is exactly that is,in the business of hate
And business is booming for them whoever
they
are.
THE INCEL MOVEMENT WAS STARTED BY A WOMAN
https://heavy.com/news/2018/04/incel-movement-alek-minassian-elliot-rodger/
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A few things.
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yeah, as who fights wut?
idiot. I just spoke with a rather well known journalist from Bangladesh about this exact topic, and guess what?
All your anger, sophistry, malintention, word twisting, gay angst, and juvenile flag brigading is just #firstworldproblems drivel, compared to what the rest of the world endures.
You are no longer worth addressing in any substantive form.
I wish you a happy life and even quicker, even happier death.
Go kill yourself already, #bro
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So-called first world problems are still problems, and suffering is not a competition. A gay American faces less persecution on average than, say, a gay Russian — but that doesn’t make the persecution of that gay American any less hurtful for the gay American.
I don’t take orders from mentally ill forum trolls.
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I’m sure Stephen is really sad about that. /s
It’s not like you ever addressed him in substantial form before?
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Look, I’m just as against incels as you are. I agree that it is in the business of hate. However, they have nothing to do with anything anyone has said here, including this article.
Furthermore, you have not presented any evidence that safe spaces have contributed to mass shootings, and even if you did, that has nothing to do with this article.
You were the first one to mention incels at all in this comment section. You can spread the word all you want, but we’d rather you do it elsewhere for several reasons, one of the biggest or even the biggest being that it has absolutely nothing to do with anything going on here. This is about a proposed hate crime law that treats police as a protected class. Hate speech, safe spaces, incels, the ADL, mass shootings… they are all irrelevant here.
And you didn’t mention mass shootings or safe spaces at all until just now, nor did you discuss “the inner workings of the incel psychological operation” before now. And the only ways you mentioned those were a single article about a single mass shooting by a single incel—and how the incel community was started by a woman who is either bi or (more likely) a lesbian in 1993 (the only part you seem interested in)—and to say that those are the things you want to discuss.
Now, while I have some skepticism about your claim to want to discuss those topics and some of your claims, I’m not wholly against having discussions about these topics. However, I don’t want to have them here as they are completely irrelevant to the discussion, and I doubt you’d be great at having that discussion anyways if your current efforts on this site are anything to go by.
And again, I have no idea what you mean about “ADLification” here. It’s also not exactly relevant. Look, none of us exactly side with the ADL.
Look, none of us are fans of incels or the ADL, and many of us don’t agree with the modern sense of safe spaces (as opposed to their original purpose). However, none of that has anything to do with this article or what others have said except in response to you bringing them up in the first place. No one called you an incel or mentioned incels until you called someone an incel for no reason. No one called you an antisemite or mentioned antisemitism until you mentioned it. No one called you a racist or a Nazi until you started calling people racists or Nazis. No one called you anti-gay as far as I can tell, though we have suggested that you’re ignorant about LGBTQ. And absolutely no one other than you has said anything about anyone being anti-Hotep Nation. I don’t even know what that is or why you brought it up. And though you claim that you’re just trying to “publicize the inner workings of the incel psychological operation and the net effects of #safespaces contributing to mass shootings,” you haven’t actually been discussing those things. You’ve just been calling people incels, racists, and rapists; comparing people to Nazis; criticizing others for things you yourself are guilty of; derailing threads with irrelevant information; and ranting about the ADL, PJI, IJM, and K4-controlled forums without explaining why, how they are relevant, or what a K4-controlled forum is. You said two things that could be construed as relating to those topics in two of your most recent comments: the assertion that incels are responsible for a lot of mass shootings (without any evidence, BTW), and an article about the incel movement, including jts history, from which you only seem interested in the fact that the incel community was originally started by a lesbian (though I have no idea what that’s supposed to tell us). Nowhere else do you discuss those things. So even if we were interested in having those discussions here and now, you’ve given us no reason to believe that you have any interest in having a genuine discussion on either of those things or that you would be a decent source of information on those topics. And as for “being against ADLification of the American dialectic spaces,” that’s also irrelevant to this discussion, and you are doing a terrible job of persuading anyone to agree with you on those things.
Rather than appearing to be someone genuinely interested in discussing incels, safe spaces, their effects on mass shootings, or problems with “ADLification of the American dialectic spaces,” you come off more as a troll trying to derail the comment section as well as a hypocrite. If we want to discuss those things, we would not do so here—where it’s irrelevant—or with you—as we have no faith that you would have anything useful to say on those topics. I won’t demand that you stop, but I’d really rather you did.
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Re: Re: Re:2 derailing, 101
Um, ok, were done for today.
many of us don’t agree with the modern sense of safe spaces
lollollol, as you and yours took one comment, and derailed an entire thread to suit some agenda.
And not one of you addressed the post, as I did.
And, no, I never once said incels were responsible for even one mass shooting, as those guys were clearly targeted exactly as you are demonstrating here.
Instead, I placed the blame on CVE progams themselves, which allow hidden groups of intel contractors on the federal teat to harass and mob, and target individuals online and off in order to incite violence, as they target individual speakers.
I mean whoeve the are.
Thanks for playing ROGS Bingo, and especially for this adorable display of that exact mechanism in action.
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Wait. Are you saying the entire incel community is just a shitload of government trolls egging each other on to do shitty things to women? Damn, chief, I’m surprised you haven’t yet blamed Obama or Clinton for the murders committed by Eliot Rodger.
(Please get help.)
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I— what? That has nothing to do with safe spaces, and you actually did say that incels were responsible for mass shootings. You even linked to an article about one incel who was a mass shooter.
You also never addressed the post at all. The post was about making violence against a police officer a hate crime in Alabama. None of what you said addresses that topic or is really related to it.
And who here has an agenda, exactly? The guy who won’t shut up about incels, safe spaces, and the ADL in a comment section about none of those things, as well as impersonates and insults people for no apparent reason or based on old grudges? Or the people reacting to him?
And as for inciting violence, how exactly have I done that?
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Too much aready.
You dont know my history with that person, that persons insults or “humor” yet you jumped right in.
Nice derail.
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First, that’s not what “derail” means. That would be butting into something that you don’t believe I should have. That’s not derailing.
Second, I’m specifically talking about the mess occurring on this page. If you have issues with someone stemming from a conversation that happened elsewhere, then deal with it there. Your personal history with them is irrelevant to the points you’re claiming to make. It also doesn’t explain why you insulted someone for mentioning asexual people. Even if you have a bad history with them, that in no way explains or excuses that particular action.
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Are you dead yet?
I hear that the Skokie, IL Jewish cemetaries reject fag burials, even for their useful idiots.
Is that still true?
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I don’t know whether your anti-Semitism and homophobia are a result of your obvious mental illness, but you should still seek help for both the mental illness and the bigotry all the same.
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You ignorant, fucking mother fuckers never learn.
The concept of "hate crime" or "hate speech" is fucking vacuous. You invented a fake label to make people sound worse so you could vilify them and surely nobody on the planet would take your idiotic lunacy and use it against you.
God damn, the left is incapable of learning.
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The right isn’t much better, given how it’s constantly being grifted of its money by schmucks who want to act like a little personal consideration for everyone who isn’t a White Christian is an affront to the White Christian States of America and the God to which they pledge their undying fealty (i.e., Donald Trump).
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Well, maybe stop acting like them then, and adopting their speech crushing tactics, dirtbag. You and "they ” are inseperable at this point in your approach to discourse.
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Evidence?
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[Asserts facts not in evidence]
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I just jacked off to Fuzzie Stuffed Animal porn.
Is that weird?
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I HATE HATE!
Hatefully yours, your ever hateful ADL
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R/O/G/S, please, get some help.
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I’m not exactly a fan of the ADL, but your obsession with them is concerning. Again, you have not demonstrated—with evidence or logic based on what’s on this page—how the ADL has any connection to this article or this comment section. Please let it go. It’s getting tiring seeing you go on and on about the ADL.
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Hull, no offense, but you should get out of the comic books, and into some history / American Studies /poli – sci /or even a newspaper.
But thread after thread, your comments,and replies are peppered with requests to educate you on the subject matter at hand (deplatforming and who does it. )
Then, those requests for a free education are stupefyingly short of even the common knowledge that TD puts out there, and the most basic War on (fake ) Terror concepts.
Things as common as Countering Violent Extremism programs, to whit “CVE? I dont even know wut that is” and so on.
So, its hard to believe anything you say afterwards, much less that you are even capable of grasping the basics. And no offense, but the people that you ate allowing to use you this way actually coined thevterm “useful idiots ” to describe the subsection of the population that just wants to fit in, and get along at all costs.
These people also constitute the unpaid masses who willingly allowed and directly benefitted those responsible for slavery, lynching, the growth of our unconscionable gulags that replaced slavery, the Iraq war; and even the recent strike on Irans top general.
I dunno. Maybe read a book or something. But I paid for my education, and get paid because of it too, and all of it related to these topics at hand. And its alright that you know nothing about any of it, and that you have,a gamers mentality about discourse, because this Socmed system is designed as a social control and social engineering tool to keep actual activists and dissidents silenced, and its working.
So, thanks for playing…..games.
Lastly, your deginition of thread derailing is just wrong but above, you can see they are quite effective at it.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derailing%20a%20thread
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So much wrong here…
I don’t read comic books, but I do read newspapers, so…
Yeah, I don’t think you understand how this works. You made a claim using terms the average person wouldn’t recognize without explaining any of them. (I read a lot of political stuff, but you’re the only one I’ve seen mention CVE.) What’s obvious to you may not be obvious to everyone. In an online discussion, you have to be prepared to answer inquiries like this. (Also, just telling me that CVE stands for Countering Violent Extremism isn’t all that useful. What does it actually entail? Is it an organization, a concept, or a method?) Otherwise, you aren’t going to be taken seriously. This is also important for activists trying to convince others. If you can’t get others to understand your message, your activism will fail.
You haven’t even attempted to explain the basics. How am I supposed to understand if you’re unwilling to explain?
That’s like half of what I do when not on this website.
Based on what you’ve said here so far, you probably shouldn’t be, but good for you! That doesn’t mean that what you say has any actual meaning to those outside your circle.
I understand some of it, but others I don’t, and you fail to explain how these ideas are related.
No. For one thing, while I interact with gamers sometimes (though not all that often), my mentality on discourse is very different from theirs. My focus is on rational discourse, which entails people providing actual evidence from reliable sources for their claims, being relatively civil, and answering simple questions, even if they seem obvious to you. It also involves staying on topic. That’s far from my experience with other gamers. Have you ever interacted with gamers before?
Well, you claim to be an actual activist, and you won’t shut up, so I’d say it’s not.
That Urban Dictionary citation you link to was actually the definition I was working from. Asking basic question about the topic is not derailing. Bringing up unrelated matters (like you have) is derailing. So yeah, you’re only proving my point for me, and the only one derailing this thread is you. You can’t even stick to your own topic.
If I wanted to derail the thread, I might spend some time pointing out all the spelling and grammar errors you made in that comment, but I won’t.
Techdirt online mobbing
You seem to shapeshift between being a somewhat rational person, and then you quickly dodge back into being a crowd pleaser with a need to conform to your peers approval, every time a complex, new, or unfiltered, non -establishment, or controversial idea arises .
And, because ppl like you (and I dont say that pejoritively )are unaware of much of what I write thats ok. But you so easily slip into the flag brigade that I suspect other issues.
The great irony of course, is that half of TDs free speech articles cover exactly what I do, but from an established perspective, backed by the exact groups I identify. So, maybe start with the story of Queen Esther, poised as an insider, and her alliance with a gatekeeper, and work your way forwards.
Yes, its true, you are not the primary derailer. Those awards go to the unflaggable fucks from England up there, and a few TD inhouse trolls, gamers (these are gaming open discourse )and sysadmin types herein. I could name them, but that would tilt my hand.
That said, I concede that some, like yourself as you honestly admitted, might not be aware of CVE and its heinous black -ops, both online and off. CVE isnt simple, and isnt designed to afford easy insight into its so -called tactics or methods, chief of which, believe it or not, is DERAILING online discourse that challenges it.
But it doesnt excuse your unwillingness to research it, or engage with the simple, widely known and publicized terms within that dialectic, as they say, ignorance is bliss but also, ignorance is its own reward, right? Because with knowledge, comes a need to choose sides sometimes.
So, I have written elsewhere about the nightmare of having CVE programs trained upon myself and others, going back to 2001.
You can read that any time at my blog. My case started by writing news articles in the largest monthly college newspaper in the USA that contradicted the establishment, and the manufactured terrorism and DVIC industries. And long before Masnick was on the beat, I was writing about manufactured terrorism, and ten by ten sq. ft “free speech zones,” and even the poor treatment of Somalis, Muslims, and Palestinians in my area, by insiders.
So, feel free to look all that up if you’re so inclined.
But this is pure cognitive dissonance gold, considering the massive flag brigade behind me an my every post:
you claim to be an actual activist, and you won’t shut up
Are you able to connect with the irony of your own statement, and my now hidden posts above; or your sort of um, desire that I shut up?
Online psychological operations tend to have that effect on people. And, so does the cooption and corruption of dissent by well known establishment bullies, domestic spies and even the useful idiots (look that term up to understand its context ), who oversee TDs comment section.
Have a look at that here:
https://medium.com/@emmaiagelman/faking-rights-why-anti-racists-detest-the-anti-defamation-league-cc-starbucks-f5b5c7dcff9e
But also going back to 1993 when these dissent derailers and professional hate engineers were caught spying on US social movements, which they later calculatedly destroyed; and that, as they built the largest gulag in human history.
Thats who is really moderating and deplatforming online now.
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Actually, I just say what I think. When I reply to your comments, it’s generally before I even read what others have to say to you unless I decide to try to speak on behalf of or about other commenters. What I think may change over time, particularly as new information pops up. It may seem to you like I’m going back and forth, but I’m really just going off of what I can discern from the conversation. (Also, sometimes I may be particularly aggravated or annoyed.)
Prove it. Also, people who have very different ideologies may often agree with each other on certain issues. They may disagree on the scope or source of a problem or reasonable solutions.
Well, you may not name names, but I can guess who you’re talking about. However, I distinctly recall one comment by one of them (I’ll have to go back and check) that I have flagged, and it was hidden. Additionally, several of these people have had posts held for moderation. Of course, since you won’t name them, I can’t actually disprove or prove what you claim, so I suppose we’re at an impasse here.
Well, except that you don’t really understand what “derailing” is. When everyone’s talking about an Alabama legislator proposing to make violence against LEO a hate crime, the ADL doesn’t really have any relation to that, so ranting about ADLification would be derailing the thread. When we’re discussing whether LGBTQ is decided at birth or before birth beyond anyone’s control (and thus distinguishable from being a police officer like race and gender are) as opposed to a choice, and in response to someone asserting that LGBTQ people are in control of that because they have control over whether they have sex, someone else points out that asexuals don’t have sex and are members of the LGBTQ community, and that the act of having sex doesn’t change whether or not one is in the LGBTQ community, calling that person an incel and a Nazi is derailing the thread. Those are what I mean by derailing a thread. Insulting someone who derailed the thread after they did so may not help, but that doesn’t make them primary derailers.
Again, you don’t get it. You won’t explain or provide evidence for most of what you say. As such, Hitchen’s Razor says I can essentially disregard your claims as unsupported or incoherent (depending). As the one making the claim, you have the burden of proof. I’m not going to do your job for you. This isn’t a school. This is a forum. It’s not my job to research your claims for you. We don’t assign homework here. I’m not asking you to do anything I haven’t asked of anyone else, and many of them actually comply. Why do you feel it’s unreasonable to ask the same of you.
And I’d love to check out your blog, (it might even be helpful) but I don’t know where it is. Mind adding a link or something to it?
BTW, it’s “knowledge is its own reward”, but I’m sure you knew that. And for the record, knowledge often leads me to refuse to take a side on the grounds that I hate everyone involve based on what I’ve learned or to realize there is no good answer. I often try to not take sides in a discussion, at least until I get more info, in order to either promote civility or gather more info from both sides before I come to a conclusion. I’m cautious about taking sides, but I don’t shut out information to avoid that.
Like Alanis Moriset, you seem a bit confused about “irony”, but whatever. At any rate, I already explained some of the reasons you get flagged, including things like making multiple claims without evidence, even after being asked; spoofing others; derailing the thread; writing stuff that appears incoherent; being hypocritical; telling people they should die or kill themselves; making duplicate posts; being an apparent troll, and being a repeat offender on all of them. You being flagged repeatedly makes sense given your behavior.
At any rate, while my phrasing could be a bit better, my point is that despite all the (alleged) measures taken by sites like this one to silence “true” activists like yourself, the fact that you’re still writing here now proves that any such efforts have been unsuccessful, so you’re argument that the tactic is working is rather weak. I was not indicating a desire for you to shut up, though I suppose I can understand why you took it that way.
???? I do know what a useful idiot is. To paraphrase, it refers to someone ignorant, stupid, or naïve in order to serve the agenda of someone else with more knowledge, typically someone with ill intent or actually working against the UI’s interests. A UI may be eager to fit in, though that isn’t necessarily the case. I suppose I should be glad to see you trying to take my lesson to heart and understand that you shouldn’t assume that something is obvious to everyone, but what I meant was to do that in response to questions. Doing so preemptively just makes you look patronizing, especially when you won’t actually explain what it means anyway.
I’m guessing you put me in the “useful idiot” category. Well, I do try to be useful to a discussion, and I can be an idiot, but other than that, I’m not certain that really applies to me, but I suppose it could be worse, and it’s pretty subjective anyway, so I won’t argue that. I don’t feel like I’m trying to fit in. For one thing, I’m really bad at that.
Now, I’m unfamiliar with that outlet to say whether it’s a reliable source or not, but for now, I’ll just accept it as is. I may do some independent research on that later. (Note: To preempt anyone saying, “So you’ll research that when it suits you, but not ROGS’ claims?” those are completely different scenarios. When ROGS makes a claim, he’s the one who has to provide sources. When he provides a source, if I find it suspicious, it’s my job to do research to prove my suspicions correct if I want to make the claim that the source is unreliable.)
Now, this is good evidence that the ADL is often against the interests of anti-discrimination groups despite proclaiming itself to be anti-discrimination. I definitely don’t dispute that. As I’ve said before, I have several issues with the organization. There’s also some stuff about them infiltrating other groups and stuff, but I’m not seeing online forums on there. There’s also stuff about them training people and being involved in education, as well as shutting down internal dissent. They also caught spying on social movements. However, nothing here screams out “moderating” or “deplatforming” to me, and while you have claimed something along the lines of the FBI being complicit, I note that the article is based in part on investigations done by the FBI, so…
I do still have a question about this whole mess. Is “ADLification” the process of being taken over by the ADL, or the use of tactics common to the ADL? Or am I missing it entirely? You also haven’t explained even whether CVE is an organization, method, or what. I think once you explain that, I’ll at least be able to make sense of a pretty sizable chunk of what you’re saying, though it’s still not proven and I still don’t think it’s relevant to every thread you’ve brought it up in thus far. Regardless, this is probably the most helpful link you’ve provided, so thanks.
Oh, and one last thing to clarify: when I suggested that you shouldn’t be paid to talk about this stuff, I was making fun of you because a) it doesn’t matter whether you get paid to do this or not, and b) you have demonstrated poor spelling, grammar, persuasive, and explanatory skills, so I find it hard to imagine people being so impressed with your ability to discuss these things that they pay you for it. It was just a joke, though. No need to take it so seriously.
Maybe that’s why you aren’t sure what to make of me? Sometimes I throw some shade at you, but I’m usually just trying to be somewhat humorous when I do, but maybe you’re equating it with what the others who haven’t been analyzing what you said are doing. That was not my intention. I’m trying to avoid outright or direct insults, but sometimes I make playful remarks like that. I’ll try to think of something to make it more obvious in the future when I’m done that (/s wouldn’t work because it’s about sarcasm or parody, which isn’t quite what I’m going for; mine is more of the hyperbolic humor sort of thing).