Latest 'Google Whistleblower' To Prove Anti-Conservative Bias Doesn't Prove Anything And Appears To Be Bigoted Conspiracy Theorist

from the pick-your-heroes-carefully dept

So, we had just pointed out that the "fired ex-Googler whistleblower" whom everyone was pointing to last week as "proof" of "anti-conservative bias" at Google, didn't look so good when you got to see the details (which included statements that certainly read to be pretty supportive of white nationalists, rather than support for, say, the free market and lower taxes). You'd think that peddlers continuing to push this theory with the next person would take more time in the vetting process. But... of course, if it's Project Veritas we're talking about, it appears the only vetting they like to do is "can we spin this the way we want so that idiot suckers will buy it?" And that's what's happened.

The usual folks in our own comments who insist there's anti-conservative bias at Google have been yelling at me for the past few days, claiming that I'm "ignoring" this proof because I just can't take it or something. Or... more accurately, because it's total garbage. First, let's talk about the "whistleblower." If you thought the last guy was bad, well, get a load of Zach Vorhies:

What O’Keefe’s video leaves out, though, is that his much-hyped insider is not as credible as he claims. On social media, Vorhies is an avid promoter of anti-Semitic accusations that banks, the media, and the United States government are controlled by “Zionists.” He’s also pushed conspiracy theories like QAnon, Pizzagate, and the discredited claim that vaccines cause autism.

Seems credible, no?

Okay, okay, but maybe these "950 documents!" really prove something. Well, rest assured, they did not. As Matthew Feeney from the noted leftist bastion (that's sarcasm for the slow ones), the Cato Institute pointed out, there's "a whole lot of nothing" in the documents. One folder is labeled "Censorship" and all it has are screenshots of emails without any context. It shows someone sending an email to Google CEO Sundar Pichai arguing that Breitbart shouldn't get to use AdSense, but that's it. One random employee -- out of 100,000 or so employees sending an email to the CEO? And there's no evidence that AdSense has barred Breitbart (trust me, we'd have heard about it).

One of the leaked documents also isn't new and is completely misrepresented. Project Veritas had already posted it back in June and totally misrepresented it then. They claim it shows "election interference" regarding Ireland's election in which abortion rights were up for referendum. Project Veritas -- because they have to misrepresent basically everything -- claimed it proved that YouTube was trying to influence the election by suppressing searches on phrases like "abortion is murdering." What they leave out in all the hype and bluster, is that the document also contains many, many phrases on the other side of the debate, including "repeal the 8th," "pro choice," "woman's right to choose" and more. In other words, the document is not YouTube putting its finger on the scales, but, just as the company explained at the time, an attempt to have the top results on YouTube be focused on more authoritative neutral content providers, rather than those pushing one side or the other. That's... kinda reasonable? And also the very thing that "conservatives" keep demanding of the company -- to be "neutral."

Indeed, so much of these documents seem to be evidence of Google trying to figure out how to deal with liars, trolls, and propagandists peddling nonsense. And PV turns that into "proof" of anti-conservative bias. Sorry, dudes. Unless you're admitting that "conservative" only means liars, trolls and propagandists peddling nonsense...

Amusingly, among the documents, which were released the very same day a laughably bad complaint was filed against YouTube for discriminating against LGBTQ+ folks, was a document about how YouTube was trying to improve its machine learning algorithms to better handle such content.

Most news sources are not covering this -- not because they're avoiding it, but because it's bullshit. Of the few that have, as the Next Web notes, there's nothing particularly damning anywhere. Well, unless you're going to take documents totally out of context.

For example, among those that PV is hyping up is a "news black list for Google Now." Google Now was a service that Google used to have for Android but has since gotten rid of. It was partly a news app that would try to surface stories. Notably, a bunch of the top links are to Google's own URLs, but hey, you don't hear Project Veritas mention that. Then, as you go down the list, most of the first batch are to torrenting and other sites that Hollywood would likely label "pirate" sites. It's odd/weird that TorrentFreak (a news site, not a torrent site) is on the list, but that happens. The White Supremacist site Daily Stormer is also on the list.

But the part that has PV and its idiot sycophants up in arms are other Trump-fluffing, nonsense peddling sites that they like. Except, what they miss is that these are sites that have high user block rates. In other words, when those sites did show in Google Now, users were quick to block them. Because they're nonsense, propaganda peddling sites that anyone with more than a few hundred brain cells knows are bullshit. So this isn't Google blocking them. It's a huge number of Google users.

In other words, this is a huge self-own. Rather than demonstrating bias from Google, it's showing that the public is not interested in this nonsense.

PV also plays up the following screenshot, which it describes as: "Another newly published document titled “Fringe ranking/classifer: Defining channel quality” lists an example ranking of various news sites, including CNN and FOX News."

No context is provided for that weird screenshot. But even taking it at face value, it, uh, does not suggest anything regarding anti-conservative bias. It shows that this is a "work in progress" and they're trying to figure out way to deal with "fringe" sites that aren't quality. Isn't that a good thing? And note that the top publication in that list is the Wall Street Journal -- which, last I checked, is considered pretty damn conservative. Also, pretty far down the list -- below Breitbart and RT America -- are Huffington Post and the Young Turks, two sites generally considered pretty left leaning.

So... if anything you might read into this that it's showing anti-liberal bias? I mean, that is if you actually took one out of context screenshot that appears to just be an internal presentation of a "work in progress" rather than any evidence of any actual thing.

In short, this is a giant nothingburger that doesn't show any actual evidence of anti-conservative bias. But it does show a real desire by fringe peddlers of idiotic nonsense to keep peddling misleading nonsense, pushed by folks who are not exactly credible. Someone in our comments once joked that Project Veritas only made sense if you took the first word to be a verb instead of a noun -- and even then I think they fail. They don't project anything truthful at all. It's a chop shop propaganda house that's not even good at that.

A year ago, Zach Graves, a conservative who works for a conservative policy organization, wrote a post for us saying that Conservatives need to stop crying wolf on tech bias. It appears that almost no one is listening.

Filed Under: anti-conservative bias, bias, james o'keefe, project veritas, propaganda, zach vorhies
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    Thad (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:13am

    If your primary source for a claim is Project Veritas, it's a good sign that your claim is bullshit. The National Enquirer has a better track record.

    I wouldn't believe James O'Keefe if he told me it was sunny and hot outside. And I live in Phoenix.

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      James Burkhardt (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:48am

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      If James O'Keefe told me the sky was blue, I would go to a doctor to see what was wrong with my eyes.

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        Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:18am

        Re: Re:

        I know you're joking, but remember: they aren't lies; they're bullshit. You can't trust anything the bullshit artists say to be true or to be false.

        Distrust, but don't be thrown off if the broken clock occasionally reports the right time. It doesn't mean the quality has improved, or that there's something wrong with your view of reality, it just means that they can't even bother to put in the effort to be consistently wrong.

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:41am

          Re: Re: Re:

          And the most effective bullshit is seeded with truths. That's why Project Veritas gets video of people actually saying things. They just have to twist it by changing the context, omitting that they prompted the person to speak hypothetically rather than confess to something, or editing out anything that contradicts the argument they want to make.

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      PaulT (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:32am

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      “The National Enquirer has a better track record.”

      The sad thing is this isn’t hyperbole. Hell, at this point you can turn on any random old episode of The Simpson’s and find it more relevant to today’s reality.

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        Thad (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:13am

        Re: Re:

        The sad thing is this isn’t hyperbole.

        It certainly isn't. The Enquirer is trash but it occasionally breaks an important story, like John Edwards's extramarital affair.

        People with a scoop and no scruples who want to make a buck go to the Enquirer. The only people who go to Project Veritas are people trying to push the same misleading political narrative that O'Keefe excels at.

        Hell, at this point you can turn on any random old episode of The Simpson’s and find it more relevant to today’s reality.

        Looks like those clowns in Congress did it again. What a bunch of clowns.

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          nasch (profile), 21 Aug 2019 @ 7:28am

          Re: Re: Re:

          I think people mix up The National Enquirer with Weekly World News. The former is as you say trash, but generally reports on real stuff. Not usually important stuff, but real - what celebrity they got photos of sunbathing nude, and the like. Weekly World News is the one with completely made up stuff like bat boy and alien abductions.

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      Matthew A. Sawtell, 21 Aug 2019 @ 9:58am

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      Hm... would that be the James Edwards incident that you refer to? https://archives.cjr.org/the_kicker/the_enquirer_makes_a_bid_for_a.php

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      G, 24 Aug 2019 @ 9:51am

      Latino vote fixing

      To me the most damning thing in the PV release are some documebts under the "partisanship" folder which show that a subset of google employees worked hard to improve the latino voter turnout in the 2016 presidential election. The documents also clearly show the motive behind this: to swing key states away from trump.

      Teo quote from a googler behind this effort, in the context of addressing hillary's loss, read:
      "We tried so hard..."
      "... We never expected 29% of latinx voters to choose trump".

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        Anonymous Coward, 24 Aug 2019 @ 3:17pm

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        None of those things are illegal, against the law, or conspiratorial in any way. You literally are saying that people getting other people to get out and vote is a bad thing.

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          Toom1275 (profile), 25 Aug 2019 @ 7:59am

          Re: Re:

          None of those things are illegal, against the law, or conspiratorial in any way.

          Republicans just think that they must be, because they interfere with their minority voter disenfranchosement tactics and other election manipulations.

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          Coyne Tibbets (profile), 25 Aug 2019 @ 3:10pm

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          Their complaint is based on what they do. When they "get out the vote," they are very careful to only get out Republicans. That is because they regard people who might vote Democratic as un-American, and they would bar all of them from voting, if only it weren't for that un-American Fourteenth Amendment.

          So naturally, when Democrats get out the vote these people assume they are getting out only un-Americans, and leaving good American Republicans sitting at home.

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    Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:27am

    I think you could have just gone with "the nutty conspiracy" for

    Having read through the article, you could have saved us some time, and labeling it as "the nutty conspiracy." Sure, it's not as technically accurate but it's got just as much zing.

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      Gary (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:30am

      Re: I think you could have just gone with "the nutty conspiracy"

      He could have - but considering how some of the regulars have been screaming that this report "proves" something it is important to break it down and show just what it does and doesn't contain.
      Even a nutter could have proof. This one doesn't however.

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      PaulT (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:33am

      Re: I think you could have just gone with "the nutty conspiracy"

      The nutty conspiracy isn’t the document leak, it’s the way their fans have been reacting to it.

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        Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 21 Aug 2019 @ 12:48am

        Re: Re: I think you could have just gone with "the nutty conspir

        "The nutty conspiracy isn’t the document leak, it’s the way their fans have been reacting to it."

        No conspiracy is needed when what is posited is what the entire extreme right wing so dearly WANTS and NEEDS to hear - that the reason they're being treated like pariahs online is NOT because the main majority happens to dislike their messages of "Black men want our wimmin!" and "Jewish conspiracy is behind everything I tell you!!".

        Racists and bigots just hate to have to own the fact that their opinions are bigoted and racist.

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    Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:30am

    I'm currently in an ongoing debate with a friend about social media "acting like publishers" and "anti-conservative bias". PV came up and to make sure I could properly address his points I watched the latest video interview with Zach. I almost puked at the end of it. Absolutely nothing in the video was in any way credible.

    They even had the blacklist file up on the screen and there was a programmer comment right at the top saying it was for Google Now, plus all the Google and leftist sites were plainly visible. That still didn't stop Zach from saying this was a blacklist for all of Google Search and James to completely go along with it.

    I mean, they just disproved their entire premise on their own by displaying that file. And they just ignore it. That's not good fact-checked, verified journalism.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:33am

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      For added fun, the guy also claimed that he was sure Google was going to assassinate him for stealing these documents. He even went so far as to put the cache of documents in a "deadman's switch" type of deal.

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    TFG, 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:33am

    "The documents speak for themselves." ~ Tech Bias claimant by the name of Warguy

    It appears that they do, in fact, speak for themselves. And what they are saying is "no bias here."

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    got_runs? (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:35am

    Conservative = Fox News

    The corporate party.

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    Zof (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:44am

    I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

    Because you can read Google's unethical nonsense in their own documents, in their own words. They even have a section in there about how they get journalists to carry water for them.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:53am

      Re: I'm wondering how Zof can lie so frequently

      As stated in the article and as is plain to see for anyone who actually read the documents, they state nothing of the sort.

      As I mentioned in a post above, the "blacklist" of websites is for Google Now (not Search) and contains some of Google's own sites as well as liberal ones. Yet it was still held up as evidence of "search bias" when it blatantly had nothing to do with it. The other documents in the cache are much the same.

      So, the real question is, why are you lying? Or if you truly believe what you are saying, how come you reject plain facts that disprove your conspiracy theories?

      Also, didn't you say you were leaving TD months ago? That's an awful long goodbye.

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      TFG, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:00am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      If you have found this evidence in the document list when Mike has not, I suggest you point to it. Which document? Have a link? A screenshot? Anything beyond the claim?

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:05am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      "They even have a section in there about how they get journalists to carry water for them."

      As if Google is the only corp that expects preferential treatment from the government, are you daft?

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:08am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      I feel so, so bad for you Zof.

      Bigly bad. You and your conservative brothers are just never going to catch a break despite 2 years of a republican congress, executive branch, and adding 2 justices to the SCOTUS.

      It just seems like every single person you elect to office is so impotent when it comes to things like locking Hillary up, getting Mexico to send up that check for the wall, repealing that awful Obamacare for a new, improved, bigly, bestly thingly ever Trumpcare, or breaking up Google.

      Hell, a Trump DOJ can't even keep a pedophile alive long enough to put those damn Clintons in jail, and liberate those children being held in that pizza parlor basement!

      When are you going to ditch this bunch of dimwitted incompetent losers? How many times do they need to tell you what they're going to do, not do it, complain about it not being done, and having you come on here complaining about it not being done despite having elected people to get it done?

      Seems like you should suggest stopping payment on the Republican congress until they, you know, actually do something, amirite? Because that's why you elected them, isn't it?

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        Edmund_D (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:53am

        Re: Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

        lol, you crack me up. but yeah, you're mostly right.

        Trump was a democrat, who went republican to get elected. His previous runs for the DNC nomination failed and already guessed what would happen if he tried again, look at what happened to Bernie. NeverTrumpers on the republican side working with a former democrat just means Congressional gridlock. Can't lock Hillary up because there are favors owed everywhere thanks to payouts from the CF from UraniumOne which benefited Comey, Mueller, Rosenstein, Lynch, et al. Brennan and Clapper are even covering for Obama, until Clapper throws him under the bus for the FISA thing. Mexico is paying tariffs (for the wall), China is paying tariffs (for the farmers), walls being built by Army corps thanks to padded Pentagon budget, ACA repeal failed thanks to McCains last minute change of heart. As for the kids in the basement? they were on the island, Comet pizza was the red herring, just because Alefante knew Podesta well, doesn't mean it all took place there. Epstein? well, he's a played card, but more unsealed indictments coming thanks to Chandler and Mack spilling the beans. Very funny insight/spin you have though, keep it up : )

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:14pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          yeah, you're mostly right.

          This seemingly contradicts the entire rest of your comment.

          Also: facts and citations please, otherwise all you got is hot air coming out your ears.

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 2:05pm

          Re: Re: Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

          Wow, that was great! Marked as funny :)

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            Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 3:06pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be bias

            That really was a fresh piss-take on how conspiracy tards actually think. You may have both my funny and my flag bro.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:09am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      Contemplate this tidbit:-

      So this isn't Google blocking them. It's a huge number of Google users.

      It says that most people do not want to hear your point of view.

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      James Burkhardt (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:28am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      As I noted about the DNC email dump, documents here are presented often without context, with you filling in that context. Or as noted in the article, ignoring and/or misrepresenting the context present in the evidence.

      Google's own words can be super biased when you put words in their mouth.

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      PaulT (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:35am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      The fun fact is, many people have, and they still don’t see the parallel universe you’re jacked into. Maybe the problem isn’t the journalists?

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:49am

      How does it feel to be more full of shit than someone with a severe case of constipation?

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:47am

      Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

      Why do we even bother replying to Zof. He comes in here, drops a steaming stinking pile of bull shit then leaves. He never debates nor does he provide any links to back up his assertions.

      If we quit replying to his already debunked 100 times comments, he will quit commenting here and spewing his shit all over for us to clean up after.

      I suggest that we all just click the "Flag this comment as abusive/trolling/spam." every time we see his comments and quit replying as I am sure each and every reply is just feeding his delusions and conspiracy theories.

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        Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 2:15pm

        Re: Re: I'm wondering how Google's own words can be biased

        ...and in so doing, echo what Google is doing with YouTube moderation.

        This isn't liberal bias, it's anti-BS bias. Works the same way when someone comes in repeatedly spewing unsubstantiated claims about any liberal-based conspiracy fodder as well.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:48pm

      Re: I'm wondering how zofs own words can be biased

      Looked like someone dropped a double deuce up in here.

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    James Burkhardt (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:47am

    Reminds me of the DMC email dump from the 2016 election. People would point to single emails, clearly responses to other emails or events, lacking any context of the conversation, and would show that those emails 'prove' some conspiracy, but would fill that context in themselves, rather than point to the context necessary for this email to be proof of anything.

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    Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:30am

    I sure, as a lefty, this sounds just fine, as a conservative, subjectively, I see bias everywhere. This is text book ad hominem on your part, must be anti-semitic, no, pedophile then, no, Nazi then.

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    Edmund_D (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:30am

    "He’s also pushed conspiracy theories like QAnon, Pizzagate, and the discredited claim that vaccines cause autism. "

    uh, yeah. That gives him credibility to me.

    QAnon, yeah, he's right about 75% of time. The other 25% when he's wrong, looks like he's intentionally throwing off the black hats to make them show themselves. Pretty darn clear to me, that he's connected closely to Trump.

    Pizzagate. yeah, Jeffrey Epstein pretty much proved to me that Alefante and Podesta were creepers. They're all connected and the Miami Herald pretty much exposed Epstein as a child trafficker in 2008. They all know each other.

    Vaccines cause autism. You're referring to William Thompsom of CDC withholding the data that supported African American kids exposed to the MMR vaccine had a +30% chance of getting autism? That discredit? Or was it about him apologizing to the Wakefield, the guy that found the connection between gut bacteria and brain issues from a MMR vaxx? They've since confirmed that Wakefield's original findings.

    So yeah, I'd say the whistleblower is on point if he's following those 3 points.

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      solidus, 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:42am

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:48am

      I’d tell you to go back to 8chan where you belong, but…

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        Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 1:02pm

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        “When 8chan sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing conspiracy theories. They’re bringing anti-vaxers. They’re kiddie pornographers. And none, I assume, are good people. Actually never mind. They are sending their best.

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      TFG, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:03pm

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      Gonna need some sauce:

      QAnon, yeah, he's right about 75% of time.

      About what? Be specific. Need citations.

      Pizzagate. yeah, Jeffrey Epstein pretty much proved to me that Alefante and Podesta were creepers. They're all connected and the Miami Herald pretty much exposed Epstein as a child trafficker in 2008. They all know each other.

      How about you connect the dots for us? Be specific. With citations.

      Vaccines cause autism. You're referring to William Thompsom of CDC withholding the data that supported African American kids exposed to the MMR vaccine had a +30% chance of getting autism? That discredit? Or was it about him apologizing to the Wakefield, the guy that found the connection between gut bacteria and brain issues from a MMR vaxx? They've since confirmed that Wakefield's original findings.

      By now you should know what I'm about son. Gonna need some citations on this. Gonna need some hard links.

      You got the sauce? Or is this pasta gonna stay dry?

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        Gary (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:15pm

        Re: Re:

        They've since confirmed that Wakefield's original findings.

        They have since confirmed that Wakefields original findings were 100% fabricated and he has been discredited and de-licensed due to Fraud.

        http://healthland.time.com/2010/05/24/doctor-behind-vaccine-autism-link-loses-license/

        https: //www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452

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        Edmund_D (profile), 20 Aug 2019 @ 10:10am

        Re: Re:

        Sure, I'll indulge you techies for a bit.

        What is Q Anon?

        According to the FBI, Q Anon is a domestic terror threat...
        https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html
        “[QAno n] posts classified information online to reveal a covert effort, led by President Trump, to dismantle a conspiracy involving ‘deep state’ actors and global elites allegedly engaged in an international child sex trafficking ring.” [Yahoo News, 8/1/19]”

        posts classified information online to reveal a covert effort

        FALSE.
        “Q” posts on 4chan and 8chan, clues and tidbits, leading people to figure things out themselves.
        Nothing ‘classified’. Review Q drops here https://qmap.pub/
        Q kinda maps out what's happening behind the msm spin, which is why its gained such a following, and being attacked for it.

        led by President Trump,

        TRUE.
        Lots of posts on 8chan requesting “Q” prove (Q Proofs) that he’s working with POTUS, have been acknowledged by Trump via Tweets and media
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKR7Srh3uJI&list=PL1wvr5yRwpxk7z5_P_UIcL8sFXUGjR4kU&in dex=2
        Too many 'coincidences' to be called chance.

        to dismantle a conspiracy involving ‘deep state’ actors

        TRUE.
        Part of draining the swamp. Clapper, Brennan, Schiff, Comey, Lynch, Clowns in Action (Mudd), Fake Media (CNN, MSNBC, Fox)

        The ‘conspiracy’ is the whole Russia Collusion (Hoax), initiated by Hillary after she lost 2016 election, (FISA abuse, Steele Dossier) supported by Obama and his supporters (Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, et al), Clapper turned on Obama by saying it was Obama’s idea to wiretap Trump’s Tower, recall that MSM lambasted Trump for being narcissistic to claim he was being spied on. Too much to get into here.
        Probably doesn't make any sense to you anyways. I digress...

        A quick intro by prayingmedic will tell you QAnon's origins
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vYqqH3-xFY
        He deciphers Q drops https://www.youtube.com/user/prayingmedic (but a bit too religious for me)

        Fortunately, he's one of many deciphering Q drops...
        X22Report https://www.youtube.com/user/X22Report
        SGTReport https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2nQYGjfe9I_tgWpqgJorUg
        David Janda https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ-qLG1bdWVrHM-Hu2W73CQ (more into medical stuff)

        A bunch of randoms in a playlist doing Q proofs
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKR7Srh3uJI&list=PL1wvr5yRwpxk7z5_P_UIcL8sFXUGjR4kU&i ndex=2
        Some of it is truly a stretch, but some of it is also tough to deny

        "NONE of what he's stated to date has been right as far as I'm aware."

        You don't follow Q, so of course, you wouldn't know.
        And if you spent less time talking to yourself (here) with your many accounts, you might have a differing opinion.

        Because of the nature of the drops (classified?), Q can't spell it out, you have to decipher it, or figure it out, due diligence required.
        Examples (found in Q proofs and videos) are:

        1) revealing that Obama was 1 of 13 people using Hillary's private server,
        2) Firing Rex Tillerson before it was made public,
        3) Meeting with NK/Kim when msm says otherwise

        Q drops clues to what Trump is doing. I say its about 75% correct, because most of Q's clues seem to pan out, over time
        ("Future predicts past"?)

        However, my biggest criticism for Q would be the times Q has been wrong (misleading). Those are easier for me to remember.

        1) declaring the date and time of Hillary's arrest (mis info)
        2) that Sessions was doing really good behind the scenes work to flesh out bad actors (mis info)
        3) military tribunals are going to start Jan 1, 2019

        One can call it intentionally misleading the bad guys (actors) who also have access to the drops. Or just feeding the shills with datapoints to help discredit Q's clues. And there are quite a few shills.

        So I'm watching Q, he's right most of the time. It's why they're (DS) trying to shut him down by taking away 8chan's ISPs.
        Some call it censorship.

        It was really funny when NYT credited 8chan for the Norweigian shooter's manifesto, when the site was down.
        https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/fake-news-ny-times-says-norwegian-terrorist-posted-ma nifesto-on-8chan-before-attack-except-8chan-has-been-down-for-a-week/

        Find out (decide) for yourself whether Q Anon is a LARP, a psyop, or "for real". I've already said my peace about it.
        Some of you have also made your opinions clear about Q.

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          Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 11:46am

          Re: Re: Re: Have we reached peak bullshit?

          "leading people to figure things out themselves"

          Most people conclude that ... Qanon is bullshit,
          there are a few useful idiots remaining however.

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          Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 12:52pm

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          Bro. You need mental heath care bad.

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          Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 2:28pm

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          Hey bro. You should stick to your day job of asking if “I’d like fries with that?”

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          Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 11:45pm

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          Dude. You've been played by 4chan hoaxers who hooked naive idiots.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-three-conspiracy-theorists-took-q-sparked-qanon-n 900531

          Don't be a naive idiot.

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          Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2019 @ 11:51am

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          What is Q Anon?

          A conspiracy theory/hoax that has no basis in reality.

          “Q” posts on 4chan and 8chan, clues and tidbits, leading people to figure things out themselves.

          So he's an internet troll who posts stuff so general and vague it could be taken to mean just about anything. Got it.

          Nothing ‘classified’.

          So he's got nothing then.

          Lots of posts on 8chan requesting “Q” prove (Q Proofs) that he’s working with POTUS, have been acknowledged by Trump via Tweets and media

          That just proves Trump is extremely gullible and will re-post whatever strikes his fancy. Also, if he was actually working with Trump, then it would be classified, wouldn't it?

          Part of draining the swamp. Clapper, Brennan, Schiff, Comey, Lynch, Clowns in Action (Mudd), Fake Media (CNN, MSNBC, Fox)

          Only to be refilled by Trump putting in his only family and other people from Fox. Lol.

          The ‘conspiracy’ is the whole Russia Collusion (Hoax)

          It's not a hoax if there is evidence proving Russia did attempt to collude with Trump. Oh, would you look at that, evidence!

          Probably doesn't make any sense to you anyways.

          Only because I live in reality where facts matter. You have none to support any of those assertions.

          A quick intro by prayingmedic will tell you QAnon's origins

          Somebody already debunked this down below.

          Fortunately, he's one of many deciphering Q drops...

          You mean people who have failed to do proper fact checking.

          A bunch of randoms in a playlist doing Q proofs

          Etc....

          Some of it is truly a stretch, but some of it is also tough to deny

          If it's a stretch then that would seem to imply it's not true.

          You don't follow Q, so of course, you wouldn't know.

          I'm sorry, did you just presume to know what I do and do not follow? I've followed Q enough to know it's a conspiracy theory or hoax, or both.

          And if you spent less time talking to yourself (here) with your many accounts, you might have a differing opinion.

          Um, what? That's some massive projection you got going on there.

          Because of the nature of the drops (classified?)

          You just got done explaining how none of it was classified. Get your lies straight at least.

          Q can't spell it out, you have to decipher it, or figure it out, due diligence required.

          That's not how it works. Classified documents are regularly leaked and published by news outlets. If he has actual proof, why doesn't he just come out and say it instead of leading everyone on a wild goose chase based on clues that are too vague to attribute to anything.

          Q drops clues to what Trump is doing.

          Why not just come out and say exactly what he is doing?

          I say its about 75% correct, because most of Q's clues seem to pan out

          Well if he really WAS working with Trump then he would be right 100% of the time.

          However, my biggest criticism for Q would be the times Q has been wrong (misleading). Those are easier for me to remember.

          Says something about his veracity then.

          One can call it intentionally misleading the bad guys (actors) who also have access to the drops.

          That's not how good misinformation campaigns work. Especially when 75% is correct.

          Or just feeding the shills with datapoints to help discredit Q's clues. And there are quite a few shills.

          Such as yourself?

          So I'm watching Q, he's right most of the time.

          He's really not as already explained.

          It's why they're (DS) trying to shut him down by taking away 8chan's ISPs.

          You don't get out much, do you?

          Some call it censorship.

          Censorship is only done by the government. ISPs kicking them off is just business.

          It was really funny when NYT credited 8chan for the Norweigian shooter's manifesto, when the site was down.

          And this has to do with what, exactly? Besides, the NYT corrected that and stated that the online message board it was posted to was incorrectly listed as 8chan. Come on man, keep up.

          Find out (decide) for yourself whether Q Anon is a LARP, a psyop, or "for real".

          None of the above. It's a conspiracy theory and a hoax. (Do you even know what a LARP is? Because that definitely ain't it.)

          I've already said my peace about it.

          Begone then.

          Some of you have also made your opinions clear about Q.

          Yes, based on facts and reality. Not delusions and rejections of easily verifiable facts.

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        Edmund_D (profile), 21 Aug 2019 @ 8:02am

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        What is Pizzagate?
        Jeffrey Epstein pretty much proved that there's something going on there in DC.
        https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/9/1870513/-Jeffrey-Epstein-is-Pizzagate

        MSM has been covering for (protecting) the democrats for a long time,
        https://www.dailywire.com/news/20982/multiple-democrats-currently-involved-child-sex-ryan-saavedra
        "what is becoming a disturbing pattern of Democratic politicians involved in crimes and allegations of child sexual abuse —
        scandals largely ignored by the media." DW 9/13/17

        but have no issue exposing republicans for those same crimes.
        http://goodizen.com/list-of-convicted-republican-pedophiles/

        Why do you think that is?
        Maybe its because Epstein/Clinton-Podesta/Trump etal were democrats?
        (speculation) He wouldn't have been using these kids to blackmail politicians, could he?

        Pizzagate was a loony conspiracy theory
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory
        Lots of information there, explaining to normies (normal people) why the allegations were bogus
        Lots of bs stuff piled on to make sure no one believed anything connected to it.

        But yet, when Anthony Weiner's laptop was seized by the NYPD in 2016 (because he was sexting a minor),
        they found a folder labelled 'Insurance' containing 650k of Clinton's emails.
        https://truepundit.com/nypd-turns-against-the-fbi-seized-laptop-shows-hillary-clinton-covere d-up-weiners-alleged-sex-crimes-with-15-yr-old-during-election/

        NYPD sources said these new emails include evidence linking Clinton herself and associates to:
        •Money laundering
        •Child exploitation
        •Sex crimes with minors (children)
        •Perjury
        •Pay to play through Clinton Foundation
        •Obstruction of justice
        •Other felony crimes

        But it all went away after the FBI (Comey) confiscated Weiner's laptop from the NYPD.
        https://www.theepochtimes.com/search-warrant-for-anthony-weiners-laptop-unsealed_2529665.html
        "The Weiner laptop turned out to have a trove of Clinton’s emails containing classified information and emails from the first three months of her term as State Secretary—emails that the FBI had not obtained before, Comey said."

        Which significantly differs from what the NYPD guys found.
        Did you know Weiner is Huma Abedin's husband?
        Did you know Abedin is a long time personal aide to Hillary?

        Now, a bunch of NYPD guys are just dying, naturally
        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/9th-nypd-officer-suicide-nypd-commissioner-james-oneill-makes -plea-to-officers-after-recent-suicides-2019-08-15/

        especially the ones connected to the original case.
        https://totalrehash.com/nypd-chief-commits-suicide-1-month-before-retiring-was-directly-involv ed-in-anthony-weiner-laptop-computer-evidence-handling/

        http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=124448
        &q uot;There were a total of 12 individuals who saw Anthony Weiner’s Laptop computer, 9 of those 12 people are dead now." SotN 6/28/19

        It's a fad, even Epstein killed himself.
        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide.html

        Seems anyone who's investigating, or being investigated for, child trafficking, has suicidal tendencies (or just dies).
        Not limited to law enforcement.
        https://grandmageri422.me/2019/06/10/two-former-gop-state-senators-found-murdered-withi n-two-days-of-one-another-now-hillary-clintons-brother-dies-of-unknown-causes/

        So yeah, Pizzagate is real. If you're a reporter/journalist/blogger, don't investigate it if you know any better.
        It's better to toe-the-msm-line and say its a loony conspiracy theory, then try to prove otherwise.

        How does Epstein play into Pizzagate? He provided the girls. Under age girls. You can call it child trafficking.
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7371693/Jean-Luc-Brunel-gave-Jeffrey-Epstein-t hree-poor-12-year-old-triplets-France-birthday-present.html
        https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-dead-m odel-and-the-dirty-billionaire
        https://pagesix.com/2015/01/09/modeling-honcho-allegedly-gave-epstein -young-models-for-orgy/

        If Weinstein can do it for aspiring actors, Epstein can do it for aspiring models.

        Did I mention he had an island? Laced with cameras? That the FBI recently raided?
        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/federal-investigators-raid-epsteins-pedophile-island
        by "At least a dozen members of Customs and Border Protection and the FBI"
        If only the FBI were involved, they'd probably find nothing, like they did in NYC.
        Let's hope the CBP keep them honest.

        Anyway, there are others with more time than I do, have done a better job explaining it all
        https://archive.is/fKqCg is a good synopsis.
        It's why the right wingers went nuts over it.

        "This was a theory that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor."

        I call that 'Snopespin'. A 'straw man' argument, purposely promoted to be easily taken apart.
        Make an absurd statement around a bit of truth, and no one will believe the truth.
        Wrap a lie (or two) around the truth and no one will listen to any details.
        Did I mention shills exist to help muddy the waters of public opinion?

        What is the truth? Epstein trafficked under age girls, for the rich.
        Recorded the interactions as insurance/blackmail/leverage.

        Did Hillary run it? Of course not. She just used the services for her husband.
        How many times did Bill say he was on the "Lolita Express"? (4).
        https://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971
        How many times did his name show up on the flight manifests? (26).
        https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1507315-epstein-flight-manifests.html

        Did Democrats eat the kids? Seriously? (No)
        They need these kids to maintain their supply chain. (trafficking)
        Survivors like Virginia Roberts Giuffre can tell you all about it.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAzubOpOtg
        and she's not alone
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDQJe0PIwbY

        Fortunately, Trump was elected in 2016 and signed that 12/21/17 executive order to go after child traffickers.
        https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-perso ns-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

        How do you explain Epstein getting jail time for molesting Minors in 2008 and nobody heard about it until now?
        Why didn't Obama (Hillary's boss) go after the Pizzagate allegations? Investigate it to prove it was patently false? Because they all knew each other and covering each others backsides?

        Any documents proving Epstein's guilt in 2008 were sealed, until recently.
        https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/451613-judge-orders-release-of-sealed-document-in-jeff rey-epstein-case
        Which is why Epstein had to go. Too many people in high places, implicated.

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          Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2019 @ 5:20pm

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          That is a singular garbage fire of a post. I’m sure you’re really sad that 8chan is down. But no one here cares about your bullshit conspiracy rantings bro.

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          Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2019 @ 8:32pm

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          First you say Pizzagate is real, then you say it's fake and a conspiracy theory, then you say it's real again. Dude, pick one.

          But as the other AC said, yeah, that is steaming pile of crap if ever I saw one. Especially considering half those links disprove your entire theory.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:11pm

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      QAnon: Routinely proven to be false by easily verifiable facts and data. NONE of what he's stated to date has been right as far as I'm aware.

      Pizzagate: This was a theory that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor. This was 100% debunked once it was found that it was impossible for the pizza parlor to have had a basement to begin with.

      Vaccines: Vaccines don't cause autism. Multiple studies have proven this without a shadow of doubt. Wakefield was publicly discredited and his medical license stripped when it was discovered that his entire study of vaccines and autism was either outright falsified or was conducted improperly so as to give the results he wanted. Nothing has been withheld, and studies since Wakefield have continued to disprove his assertions. The man is a fraud and a liar.

      You are factually wrong on every account. None of which changes the fact that these documents clearly show NO evidence of bias, and instead show that PV is continually willing to be incompetent and not bother doing the most basic fact checking if they think they have something they can spin to fit their narrative. It comes back to bite them in the butt every time.

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      Baron von Robber, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:26pm

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      QAnon = Qless

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:47pm

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      So something that you may find interesting if you are on the autism bandwagon. Cuba has the highest rate of vaccinations but extremely low rate of autism. 99.7% of the population has the MMR but their rate of autism is 298 times lower than the US. That alone should make it clear that it isn't vaccines. Currently the one major difference between the US and Cuba is that doctors prescribe acetaminophen for fever in the US and metamizole in Cuba.
      It is only a hypothesis at the moment but here is a link. So potentially the blame can more be placed on Tylenol than vaccines.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 12:50pm

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      “uh, yeah. That gives him credibility to me.”

      Good to know I can safely ignore the rest of what you said. Saves time.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 2:11pm

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      He’s also pushed conspiracy theories like QAnon

      Given 4chan's history of trolling simple-minded rubes, do you guys ever think that QAnon (and specifically, the chimps who wear the "We are Q" shirts are being trolled into saying they're the "Q" in LGBTQ? I mean it's kind of an oxymoron - a something-other-than-straight conservative (well, other than priests, and that wide-stance guy) right? How funny would it be for them to freely wear something that broadcasts "I'm not straight!"

      I've always wondered this, and when I see the stupid shit they post/say, and those nifty little shirts, I've got to wonder if they're all just being laughed at for the gullible dumbfucks they are.

      That you find QAnon credible is funny as hell! Again, marked as funny because you're just hilarious!

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      PaulT (profile), 20 Aug 2019 @ 12:42am

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      The sad thing is that I can't tell if you're serious.

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      nasch (profile), 21 Aug 2019 @ 7:41am

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      You're referring to William Thompsom of CDC withholding the data that supported African American kids exposed to the MMR vaccine had a +30% chance of getting autism?

      "On 27 August 2014, Dr. Hooker’s article published in the journal Translational Neurodegeneration that concluded “African American males receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 24 months of age or 36 months of age are more likely to receive an autism diagnosis” was removed from public domain due to issues of conflict of interest and the questionable validity of its methods... As the CDC noted, the authors of that study suggested that the most likely explanation for the moderate correlation between autism and vaccination in young children was the existence of immunization requirements for autistic children enrolled in special education preschool programs."

      So just another made up conspiracy theory. I mean obviously Edmund will not be susceptible to evidence but for anyone else.

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bad-medicine/

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        Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2019 @ 9:14am

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        I mean obviously Edmund will not be susceptible to evidence but for anyone else.

        What else would you expect from someone who names himself after a character who has been wronged by society, out seeking justified revenge on all his enemies?

        Although the fictional Edmond D (an honorable, intelligent man) would probably be disgusted at this conspiracy theorist who has borrowed his name.

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    ECA (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 11:48am

    All the strange....Stuff.

    An old trick used in the past was to Bury the subject.
    How many ways to do this..
    Over post it, complain, bitch, Rattle along and all everyone hears is the SAME CRAP.
    Everyone turns away and wont look at the subject anymore...
    Along the way, it gets passed. As no one was paying attention.
    Or.
    Something in the background, happens. Its like your kid running around the house, and you Tune them out...THEN they do something REALLY stupid.

    the idea of Propaganda has been widely spread and learned Very well since WWII. They have learned what works and what happens. How to push the buttons, and Hide what is about to happen.
    Its as if we pay attention to what they Point at, and some odd Bill in the background appears and Runs threw the congress. Like all the Anti pollution laws and regs, being removed.(as an excuse for not having enough Work in the nation)

    One I would love to find is Where the idea that the Gov. is/was to big, came from. since it WAS the largest employer in the nation, not long ago. and now we are dealing with Food inspections at 8%.

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    Anon dbag, 19 Aug 2019 @ 1:16pm

    Lack of almost everything

    I'd bet most of the commentors on here own 50% of the shill accounts on any given platform. I will be back and sign up for an account just watch the narrative of the retarded socialist who stole my Democrat party.

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    Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 2:16pm

    "A stay-at-home mother is nothing more than a prostitute on a long-term contract to her husband." This is a logical argument that could easily get banned as "misogynist" because it "offends women," yet it makes a valid political point about feminism.

    "Most crime against minorities is committed by others in the same minority group." This makes a valid political point that could easily be construed as "racist."

    "Many women who call themselves #metoo victims were well aware that their bosses wanted to sleep with them, and that this was a factor in their having been hired." This makes a valid political point, but could easily be construed as sexist, even though it is easily proven.

    Terms like "misogynist" or "racist" are subjective. Justifying censorship by slapping those labels on speech which one finds personally offensive is an example of why ANY censorship is bad.

    As for "why should a website be forced to host content with which it disagrees," that makes it a publisher because they are curating content, rather than making their "public space" available to anyone on equal terms, which actually is a basic tenet of "net neutrality."

    One could easily ask why a broadband provider should not be allowed to sell its bandwidth for any price the market will bear, rather than letting "power users" get a free ride.

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      TFG, 19 Aug 2019 @ 2:40pm

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      As for "why should a website be forced to host content with which it disagrees," that makes it a publisher because they are curating content, rather than making their "public space" available to anyone on equal terms, which actually is a basic tenet of "net neutrality."

      Incorrect! It's been oft-repeated, but apparently needs to be repeated over and over again - the relevant law (CDA Section 230) makes no distinction between platforms or publishers. The argument that moderation turns organizations into publishers is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. All that matters is "did the platform say the thing, or did someone other than the platform say it?" And if someone other than the platform said it, the platform cannot be held liable for it. That's it.

      As for the more specific: ...rather than making their "public space" available to anyone on equal terms, which actually is a basic tenet of "net neutrality."

      Also incorrect! Net neutrality is not about the moderation of content, but rather the connection to providers of content. The basic tenet of net neutrality is that connection utilities (Internet Service Providers, the people who let you connect to the internet) should be neutral in the provision of access to the internet. It's about making sure that the provider of your pipeline doesn't charge you more for accessing one site, and less for accessing their site, or shenanigans like that.

      Net neutrality is about being neutral to the source of content. It doesn't get into the weeds of moderating content based on it being objectionable.

      One could easily ask why a broadband provider should not be allowed to sell its bandwidth for any price the market will bear, rather than letting "power users" get a free ride.

      One could, but it would be irrelevant to a perceived anti-conservative bias. Please try to stay on topic.

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      solidus, 19 Aug 2019 @ 2:58pm

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      "A stay-at-home mother..." could easily get "marred" as misogynist because it is: you've absolutely ignored everything else, as clearly stated with "nothing more than", chump. Because you've literally stated that being a mom and a whore is the same thing.

      Is that clear enough for your smoothbrain, or am I gonna have to start hallucinating a smart person? I better hallucinate you wrote a hidden post, that would be more productive to the conversation.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 3:04pm

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      "A stay-at-home mother is nothing more than a prostitute on a long-term contract to her husband." This is a logical argument that could easily get banned as "misogynist" because it "offends women," yet it makes a valid political point about feminism.

      It gets labeled as misogynist because it is. The statement has the underlying (and faulty) assumption that the only thing the stay-at-home mother is contributing to the relationship is sex.

      "Most crime against minorities is committed by others in the same minority group." This makes a valid political point that could easily be construed as "racist."

      According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, during 2012-2015, most crime in general is committed by others in the same ethnic group (white-on-white, black-on-black, etc.). So limiting the statement to imply that it's only minorities that do this would make it, you guessed it, racist.

      "Many women who call themselves #metoo victims were well aware that their bosses wanted to sleep with them, and that this was a factor in their having been hired." This makes a valid political point, but could easily be construed as sexist, even though it is easily proven.

      Are you claiming that these women somehow took advantage of the hiring manager's sexual interest to get the job? In that case, [citation really needed], but even if they did, it still doesn't justify sexual harassment. And then if your claim also includes the implication that men don't take advantage of their attractiveness to get hired... Yep, sexist.

      Terms like "misogynist" or "racist" are subjective.

      Not as much as you seem to want to believe. All of your examples are very much not subjectively misogynist, racist, or sexist.

      As for "why should a website be forced to host content with which it disagrees," that makes it a publisher because they are curating content, rather than making their "public space" available to anyone on equal terms, which actually is a basic tenet of "net neutrality."

      And you also don't understand net neutrality. NN refers to infrastructure, not platforms. NN doesn't care who Twitter bans.

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 3:04pm

      Re:

      "A stay-at-home mother is nothing more than a prostitute on a long-term contract to her husband." This is a logical argument that could easily get banned as "misogynist" because it "offends women," yet it makes a valid political point about feminism.

      Say what now?

      Most crime against minorities is committed by others in the same minority group." This makes a valid political point that could easily be construed as "racist."

      [Citation needed.]

      "Many women who call themselves #metoo victims were well aware that their bosses wanted to sleep with them, and that this was a factor in their having been hired." This makes a valid political point, but could easily be construed as sexist, even though it is easily proven.

      Um, what? What political point is that making exactly? Other than their bosses were douches? And how is stating that "easily proven" fact sexist?

      Terms like "misogynist" or "racist" are subjective.

      Not really.

      Justifying censorship

      You mean moderation.

      by slapping those labels on speech which one finds personally offensive is an example of why ANY censorship is bad.

      By the government. Done by a private company on their platform it's called moderation and is explicitly protected by the First Amendment. i.e. I don't have to listen to your lies in my house and kick you out if I feel like it.

      As for "why should a website be forced to host content with which it disagrees," that makes it a publisher because they are curating content

      No, it's moderation. Curation happens prior to publishing, moderation happens post publishing. Websites do moderation, not curation, in the vast majority of cases.

      rather than making their "public space" available to anyone on equal terms,

      Uh, they do. Anyone can sign up to use social media on the same terms as everyone else.

      which actually is a basic tenet of "net neutrality."

      No, net neutrality has to do with the infrastructure layers, not the application layer.

      One could easily ask why a broadband provider should not be allowed to sell its bandwidth for any price the market will bear, rather than letting "power users" get a free ride.

      What? Nobody is getting a free ride on broadband. Everybody is paying for what they are getting. What are you on about?

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      Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 3:14pm

      Re:

      Bro if I didn’t know for a fact how dumb assholes like you are. I would accuse the regulars on here of spoofing this post just so they could shred it like a bored kitten with a roll of toilet paper.

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        Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 6:33pm

        Re: Re:

        Oh, not for lack of trying. I attempted spoofing Jhon boi a couple times, but between the dreams of hatefucking Masnick and thinking of all women as two-bit prostitutes I decided it wasn't worth it.

        You never go full Hamilton, and you sure as hell never go full Herrick.

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 9:17pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          I attempted spoofing Jhon boi a couple times

          I tried it once too... but for me it was extremely difficult to hold back my vomit while I was simultaneously laughing.

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            Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:47pm

            Re: Semi-colons; how do they work?

            I see that Mr. Stone has gone with the full shredded roll, and also; has not denied being the OG AC 🤔

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            Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 20 Aug 2019 @ 3:44am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            "I tried it once too... but for me it was extremely difficult to hold back my vomit while I was simultaneously laughing."

            That's where you did wrong, then.

            The key to simulating a Baghdad Bob/Hamilton/OOTB post is precisely NOT to hold back your vomit. Just make sure you pour it in the textbox and voilá. One classical Baghdad Bob/Hamilton post right there.

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          Anonymous Coward, 19 Aug 2019 @ 10:59pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Which is why I find the accusations by Herrick of "other posters were mimicking me and forced me to come back" to be completely laughable. Spoof posts are ridiculously easy to pick out.

          Wonder what Herrick's piss-poor excuse for coming back this time is.

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            Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 2:30pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            I think he honestly thought we wouldn’t recognise him this time.

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              Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 7:23pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              He honestly thought he could spout the same shit and not be recognized?

              ...Only in the barren, desolate void that is "Herrick's Brain" Funland...

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 4:42pm

      Oh, I’m gonna have fun with this.

      "A stay-at-home mother is nothing more than a prostitute on a long-term contract to her husband." This is a logical argument

      Not…really? I don’t see how a woman staying at home to raise a child is the same thing as a woman selling access to her body for sexual acts.

      that could easily get banned as "misogynist" because it

      …legitimately is a misogynistic rant that views a woman who chooses to raise a child as a sex object.

      "Most crime against minorities is committed by others in the same minority group." This makes a valid political point that could easily be construed as "racist."

      The point is valid, but the reasoning for bringing it up in the first place is racist. It basically says that a given minority (e.g., Black people) can’t complain about interracial crimes committed by the majority (e.g., White-on-Black crime) until they they do something about the intraracial crime. Most crime is intraracial, which means there will always be more Black-on-Black crime than there will be White-on-Black crime — but that doesn’t make the White-on-Black crime any less outrageous when it is something like, say, the murder of Trayvon Martin. The “Black-on-Black crime” argument is a racist deflection and should be regarded as such.

      "Many women who call themselves #metoo victims were well aware that their bosses wanted to sleep with them, and that this was a factor in their having been hired." This makes a valid political point, but could easily be construed as sexist, even though it is easily proven.

      How can you prove that they didn’t feel coerced into trading sex for employment by, say, the fact that employment meant being able to pay the bills? You’re assuming that “many women” willingly went through with such a deal without any coercion on the part of their boss. Hell of an assumption to make there, all things considered.

      Terms like "misogynist" or "racist" are subjective. Justifying censorship by slapping those labels on speech which one finds personally offensive is an example of why ANY censorship is bad.

      Nobody here is talking about the government taking away someone’s right to express themselves for being sexist or racist. Private companies have every right not to associate with sexists and racists. That refusal to associate doesn’t equal censorship.

      As for "why should a website be forced to host content with which it disagrees," that makes it a publisher because they are curating content

      By that logic, the New York Times should be forced to publish content which its editors do not want published within the paper’s pages because those editors curate content for the paper.

      making their "public space" available to anyone on equal terms … is a basic tenet of "net neutrality."

      Except, no, it isn’t. Network Neutrality is the principle that anyone who connects to the Internet can access the same Internet as everyone else, with the same (general) speed as everyone else, without interference (e.g., data throttling) from their Internet access provider. It doesn’t have anything to do with an interactive web service remaining “neutral” towards the speech its users post.

      One could easily ask why a broadband provider should not be allowed to sell its bandwidth for any price the market will bear, rather than letting "power users" get a free ride.

      Because then you get situations where the IAP can pick and choose which sites people will and will not pay more to merely access. If Comcast can charge a fee for accessing Netflix (on top of the fee people pay to watch Netflix) but offer up both access to and membership for its own (inferior) streaming service to Comcast customers free of charge, I fail to see how that benefits anyone but Comcast.

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    That One Guy (profile), 19 Aug 2019 @ 8:01pm

    Before jumping in the lake, check for water first

    Ah good old confirmation bias. A 'whistleblower' came forward with what they claimed were incriminating documents and the gullible simple took it as a given that they were incriminating because it supported what they already believed, only to yet again be left with nothing.

    You'd think by now they'd have learned, 'check your evidence and sources before trumpeting about how they prove you right', but I suppose in their mindset the fact that they were duped yet again will just feed into the conspiracy theory they cherish so strongly as evidence that Google must just be really good at hiding the real evidence.

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 1:13am

    Anonymous Coward

    What an appropriate name!

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    Anonymous Coward, 20 Aug 2019 @ 2:35am

    $$$$

    Who funds project veritas?

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    Coyne Tibbets (profile), 20 Aug 2019 @ 5:20am

    Unless you're admitting that "conservative" only means liars, trolls and propagandists peddling nonsense...

    Dude, that would have been like the perfect quote, if only you had left off the first four words.

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    Matthew A. Sawtell, 21 Aug 2019 @ 1:28pm

    Next Item for TechDirt to have fun with...

    ... would be this article commented on by Tim Pool - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_fDgR_xHs . Then again, been a lot of crickets from TechDirt in light of the other issue going on with Tim and the MINDS folks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krG0Ekvkz1A&t=909s

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      Anonymous Coward, 21 Aug 2019 @ 5:23pm

      Re: No need to thank me bro

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      PaulT (profile), 21 Aug 2019 @ 11:25pm

      Re: Next Item for TechDirt to have fun with...

      1. There's a submit story link to use if you want something to be covered. Not submitting a story then whining when they don't magically pick the subject you're interested in is not a good tactic.

      2. Who is Tim Pool and why should people be commenting about him? Text links, please, nobody's going to waste their time watching YouTube when any real information should be available in a neatly readable and cited format.

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    Zio whistle, 29 Aug 2019 @ 6:22am

    You folks are the perfect shining real life examples of successful Zio social engineering. More plausible than anything is that an authentic whistle blower would be painted as a ‘nut’ on the google-controlled web and the Zio owned media. Keep reinforcing the tyranny with your emotionally-bound conditioned responses to the authority beloved brothers and sisters of the human race.

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      Anonymous Coward, 29 Aug 2019 @ 2:58pm

      Re:

      Zio

      What does any of this have to do with Phantasy Star, Kamen Rider, or a Japanese vehicle?

      More plausible than anything is that an authentic whistle blower would be painted as a ‘nut’

      Then I'm sure you have a perfectly good, reasonable, and logical explanation for why the "search blacklist" he shows off in the video contains a host of sites that can still be found via a Google search? Including some of Google's own sites, like Drive, and Gmail? Or why it says at the top of the file that it's a blacklist for Google Now, a currently defunct service, instead of for Google Search?

      Also, I'd really love to hear why we shouldn't consider him a 'nut' for claiming that Google was going to send assassin's after him. Please, do explain that one.

      the google-controlled web

      Hahahaha!!! ...oh wait, you're serious. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

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      PaulT (profile), 30 Aug 2019 @ 12:10am

      Re:

      "More plausible"

      Yes, yes, a massive worldwide conspiracy, that's both secret and well known to you, is far more plausible than one guy with an axe to grind making claims that aren't backed by evidence pats hand. Now, run along while the adults talk.

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