Doomed: Bethesda's Classic Doom Re-Releases Are Fixed, But Demonstrate Again That We Don't Own What We Buy

from the knee-deep-in-the-licenses dept

We have something of a long-running series of posts centering on the disheartening theme, "You don't own what you've bought." Whether it's digital products such as movies and eBooks, or more tangible products like thermostats, large companies are making backend alterations to how products previously purchased work and the public is just now starting to realize the full scope of what this means. That doesn't mean that same public isn't surprised when it happens to them, of course, but it's strange to watch the reactions to these anti-consumer practices range mostly from shrugs to actively joking around about it all.

Bethesda went through its own instance of this recently. Just to be absolutely clear, the problems we are about to discuss have all been resolved by Bethesda, so good on them. These issues weren't intentional. Still, they demonstrate both how the current digital economy is one fraught with danger for people who think they're actually buying things and also demonstrates the cow-like tranquility of the reactions of those affected.

In the past few weeks, Bethesda announced it was re-releasing several classic Doom games for the three modern consoles. It was great news for Doom fans, especially those that own PS4 and Nintendo Switch consoles. The re-release included the Xbox One, too, but that console had already seen a re-release of the classic Doom games. Except that gamers who had originally purchased the first re-release suddenly found that their purchases were no longer available.

But the news was different on Xbox One, where all three games had already received digital-download ports thanks to that platform's hearty Xbox 360 backwards-compatibility program. And on Friday, Bethesda gave those version's holders a rude awakening: the company completely delisted those Xbox 360 versions. As of press time, those games' original SKUs can still be found in Larry "Major Nelson" Hyrb's definitive Xbox 360 backwards-compatibility list, along with reminders that those games came back to life on Xbox One consoles in 2015 and 2016. Clicking any of the affected Doom games' listings right now, however, leads to dead Xbox 360 content pages, the kind you might find for delisted Xbox games like Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

Owners of the original licenses are not redirected on their consoles to the new SKUs, and as of press time, those games' original owners are asked to pay full price to play the new, Xbox One-native versions of those classic games ($5 each for Doom and Doom II, $10 for Doom 3).

Again, this has since been corrected, mostly. The error that prevented those who had already purchased the games' Xbox 360 purchases has been corrected. That said, this shows the vulnerability of both buying digital versions of games that are manipulable by the publisher and the casual acceptance in the gaming marketplace that this sort of thing is to be expected. It's also worth pointing out that the new re-release removes some expansion packs compared with the Xbox 360 version, making all of this even more convoluted.

On its own, perhaps this story wouldn't have been enough to land it on our pages. But the follow up was more fallout from fans who noticed after purchasing the re-release of the classic Doom games that Bethesda suddenly required a Bethesda.net login in order to play them.

Late last week, Bethesda surprised QuakeCon attendees and retro gamers worldwide with the re-release of the first three Doom games on Nintendo Switch, PS4, and Xbox One (that last one with some issues of its own). It also surprised potential players by requiring a Bethesda.net login and an active Internet connection to play. That state of affairs led to a fair share of online joking imagining other classics given similarly restrictive DRM.

Now, again, this was an error by Bethesda. What was supposed to happen was that login requirement was only supposed to happen for members of Bethesda's Slayers Club. But, again, we see how opening the avenue up for a game publisher to remotely dick with what people thought they were buying causes problems. And just because this was an error doesn't mean some other company might not put a classic game like this behind a DRM-ish login requirement, despite such a requirement being the digital equivalent of requiring a key and ignition to operate a horse-drawn carriage.

Perhaps as concerning was that the reaction of the wider internet was to joke and meme-ify this whole fiasco. Humor is one thing, but anger and derision were probably vastly more appropriate reactions to all of this nonsense being layered on top of a classic game from the 90s.

But, since you don't really own what you've bought, I suppose all one can do is shrug and laugh.

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 6:11pm

    Re: Bethesda IPs

    But the follow up was more fallout from fans

    Nice word choice there. ;-)

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 6:15pm

    In all seriousness…

    As much as I love playing Classic Doom, I prefer to play the old Id Software titles on PC/Mac/Linux, because that way, you can extract the WAD out and use ZDoom for an improved experience. This works even with the DRM'd Steam games! Also, you can't modify console games. Well, you can, but you'd risk a lawsuit or two…

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    That One Guy (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 6:19pm

    Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nice

    Perhaps as concerning was that the reaction of the wider internet was to joke and meme-ify this whole fiasco. Humor is one thing, but anger and derision were probably vastly more appropriate reactions to all of this nonsense being layered on top of a classic game from the 90s.

    ... yeah, if you think that joking was with Bethesda rather than aimed at them, mocking them for screwing up so badly, then I don't know what to tell you other than cherish that innocence best you can.

    Now, again, this was an error by Bethesda.

    As for the 'this was an accident' excuse, I find that rather hard to believe given how even basic testing would have exposed the problem. It wasn't that you couldn't play past a certain point without creating an account and having a live internet connection, it was that you couldn't play at all without those.

    Is it possible that it really was an accident rather than a way to force people to create accounts? Absolutely. However if that is the case then it means that Bethesda did basically no testing of the games before pushing them out, which isn't exactly leaving them looking any better after the debacle.

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      Gary (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 6:25pm

      Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nice

      However if that is the case then it means that Bethesda did basically no testing of the games before pushing them out, which isn't exactly leaving them looking any better after the debacle.

      The game testing wrapped up and someone tossed a DRM wrapper around the working code. Minimal testing - and I can say that I've missed things like this. They gave it to a couple of testes who already had accounts signed in and just didn't think.

      Still - it's IP and DRM on an ancient game - what is the freakin point?

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        Samuel Abram (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 6:27pm

        Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nic

        They gave it to a couple of testes who already had accounts signed in and just didn't think.

        Freudian Slip? ;-) :-P

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        T. Bigg Wuneer, 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:20pm

        Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nic

        Still - it's IP and DRM on an ancient game - what is the freakin point?

        It's THEIR PROPERTY, you don't have ANY SAY, not even a right to ask the question, kid.

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          Gary (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:22pm

          Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's

          It's THEIR PROPERTY

          Until they SELL it to me. Then it's My property, eh?

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            Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 9:19am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean

            People have never owned the content in media, just the physical layer to it. This is why we can sell books, games, and movies if they're on physical media, but cannot sell them in digital format.

            Don't believe me? Try selling a digital game today. Go on. I'll wait.
            If you don't get arrested, let us know how it works out for you.

            Changing gears, Timothy is starting to come off like another talking head, Jim Stirling, who thinks this is all the fault of publishers and I'm frankly getting sick of listening to this bullshit.

            The fault squarely lies at the hands of gamers, who are sacrificing their rights as consumers for "OMFG! IT'S DOOM!21!! TAKE MY MONEY!" levels of stupidity.

            Not only do these idiots fucking pre-order games (which was an intentional shit system by publishers in the physical media world to limit the losses when games failed to meet sales expectations) in a digital era, but then purchase ridiculously overpriced digital goods in each of the game stores. I'm sure their characters look great now, I say in sarcasm.

            What's our reward for this? Articles like this and all the fucking whining on the internet about how publishers are screwing gamers over.

            Last time I checked, the power to purchase a game (or not) still rests with the consumer, yet...

            Finally, one more thing to note: The Bethesda.net has NOTHING to do with DRM and you need to stop making false statements. It has EVERYTHING to do with Bethesda selling game information to third parties, including advertisers, as everyone agreed the company can do while also waiving their rights to sue and only take matters through arbitration.

            But yeah, it's the publisher's fault gaming is fucked up today.
            /eye rolling icon request pending

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              Gary (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 9:26am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't m

              People have never owned the content in media

              Yes, only Corporations are legally allowed to own that. :)

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              Wyrm (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 10:06am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't m

              Don't believe me? Try selling a digital game today. Go on. I'll wait.
              If you don't get arrested, let us know how it works out for you.

              Actually, Europe had a judgement passed stating that reselling digital goods is legal.

              Link

              This even included service attached to the software, but excluded "fragmenting" multi-user licenses.

              That was quite a while ago, and I don't know about any follow-up, but at least it's not quite as clear-cut as you said depending on where you live.

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              That One Guy (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 4:40pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't m

              The fault squarely lies at the hands of gamers, who are sacrificing their rights as consumers for "OMFG! IT'S DOOM!21!! TAKE MY MONEY!" levels of stupidity.

              Well, you're half right... Idiots(or as I suspect is the case for most people the uninformed) with low impulse control are certainly part of the problem, but to lay the blame entirely on them is just flat out wrong.

              Those that continue to fall for scams and/or predatory practices when they really should know better by know shoulder half of the blame, but the other half lands squarely on the one engaging in those scams and predatory practices.

              Just because people continue to buy garbage from EA does not mean EA is absolved from blame for putting forth that garbage, and the same argument applies to any company acting similarly.

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                Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 11:21pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn

                "Just because people continue to buy garbage from EA does not mean EA is absolved from blame for putting forth that garbage, and the same argument applies to any company acting similarly."

                If someone was to start buying my garbage, I'd be looking for ways to increase my garbage output. I sure don't see why I'd start selling compost. It takes too much time and money for less return on investment.

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          Anonymous Coward, 30 Jul 2019 @ 9:35pm

          Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's

          Except, of course, the say in not buying it, and the say in discussing why you're not buying it, and the say in discussing why Bethesda made this mistake, and the say in discussing the alternative methods that could have been used, and the say in laughing at your inept impotent excuses.

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          Anonymous Coward, 30 Jul 2019 @ 10:30pm

          Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's

          Actually, I do.

          I choose not to buy it.

          Now fuck off, and have two DMCA votes. One for you, and the horse you rode in on!

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          Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:51am

          Re: Re: You can’t spell slaughter, without laughter

          Sup liar. That the best you got?

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      Rekrul, 30 Jul 2019 @ 11:00pm

      Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nice

      ... yeah, if you think that joking was with Bethesda rather than aimed at them, mocking them for screwing up so badly, then I don't know what to tell you other than cherish that innocence best you can.

      That they were being mocked isn't in dispute. The problem is that people felt this was only worthy of mockery rather than anger.

      To put it another way; If someone walked up and gave you a full-force kick in the groin, would you get angry, or would you 0nly post mocking memes about that person?

      People today treat stuff like this as normal. Another decade or so and people will shrug when the latest release of Windows wants them to pay a monthly fee to continue using their computer.

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        Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 11:34pm

        In fairness, Doom is a 26-year-old game that anyone can find, download, and run on anything from a cutting-edge laptop to a smart fridge. Being pissed off about Bethesda fucking up one port is a bit pointless when you remember that fact.

        Not that people aren’t pissed off, though. Of course they are. But mocking Bethesda’s mistake and putting them on the business end of an Internet-wide meme was more effective in shaming Bethesda into doing the right thing than merely bitching about their bullshit on Twitter would have ever been on its own.

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          Rekrul, 31 Jul 2019 @ 6:33pm

          Re:

          In fairness, Doom is a 26-year-old game that anyone can find, download, and run on anything from a cutting-edge laptop to a smart fridge.

          I dispute the use of the word "anyone" in that sentence. While your statement might be technically true, in actual practice the amount of users today who could find, download and install a copy of Doom is probably fewer than 5%. Unless it comes as a simple one-click installer, complete with all the required WAD files, they're not going to have any idea how to get it to run.

          Look at the tutorials for setting up emulators. Out of a 15 minute video, the first 8-9 minutes will be devoted to how to download the Zip files of the emulator and the BIOS, how to unpack the emulator and the BIOS, how to copy the BIOS into the emulator directory, etc. And people in the comments still get confused.

          I once emailed a Zip file of a small freeware game to someone and told them all they had to do was unpack the file and double-click the EXE file. After more than an hour on the phone, they still hadn't managed to do it. They ended up bringing their laptop over the next day so that I could do it for them.

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        Thad (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 8:27am

        Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nic

        To put it another way; If someone walked up and gave you a full-force kick in the groin, would you get angry, or would you 0nly post mocking memes about that person?

        You've never laughed at someone being kicked in the groin?

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          Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 10:45am

          Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's

          Hans Moleman Presents: Man Getting Hit by Football...

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          Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 3:05pm

          Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's

          In the Documentary Idiocracy there is an entire show about it.
          Ow My Balls!

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          Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 11:32pm

          Re: Re: Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's

          I find a punch to the nose much more hilarious, especially if followed by a left and a right to the mouth.

          I just break out into uncontrollable laughter because it is so funny

          How old are you? 12?

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      PaulT (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 4:20am

      Re: Just because it involves laughter, doesn't mean it's nice

      "I find that rather hard to believe given how even basic testing would have exposed the problem"

      Easy - they didn't include a test scenario that included old copies of the previous releases installed on the console. They only tested fresh installs. They probably ran the same tests on all platforms, and nobody realised about this specific difference that was only in the XBox version.

      Now, that was a dumb oversight, but it's not hard to see how it happened.

      As the saying goes, never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

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    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:16pm

    That isn’t the end of the issues, though. Bethesda’s rereleases of Doom and Doom II also featured slowed down music, and no good goddamn reason exists for that to have happened.

    And as far as any of this being an “accident”? Yeah, that’s bullshit. If this situation was about only one of the three major issues — the DRM, the removal of the prior rereleases on the XBox One, or the slowed down music — I could maybe believe it was an oversight that slipped through the cracks. But all three? You couldn’t pay me to believe this was all accidental.

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      Thad (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 8:28am

      Re:

      That isn’t the end of the issues, though. Bethesda’s rereleases of Doom and Doom II also featured slowed down music, and no good goddamn reason exists for that to have happened.

      Someone accidentally pressed the Turbo button.

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    T. Bigg Wuneer, 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:17pm

    For once, you wind up right! -- You don't own, can only laugh.

    Only interesting part is WHY you meandered through a couple of now corrected mistakes to get there. Next time just skip.

    Key point for you kids to always keep in mind regarding other people's property, "intellectual" or real is that YOU DON'T OWN IT. Do that, you'll be happier, and Techdirt will fold up like a cheap beer can when you stand on it and poke your fingers into its sides (briefly).

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      Gary (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:27pm

      Re: For once, you wind up right!

      Yes - Copyright give Corporations Ownership - not People.

      But the will of the people overrides what corporations want - therefore I own whatever game I purchase and can do whatever I want with it.

      That is what that Blue Balls guy always says - corporations can't own things.

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        Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:32pm

        Blue also says he hates corporate censorship of legal speech, yet he practically drools when corporations enforce copyright, which can be used to silence legal speech. He never addresses this cognitive dissonance, though. Can’t imagine why~.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:30pm

      You know, it’s funny.

      Doom is open source. And because it’s open source, it can be ported to the Switch without Bethesda’s bullshit. Which means that, regardless of how you feel about “intellectual ‘property’ ”, you can run Doom on the Switch without having to pay for the game.

      Ain’t that funny? I know I’m laughing…at you, anyway.

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        Anonymous Coward, 30 Jul 2019 @ 10:31pm

        Re:

        Pssst! If you remind out_of_the_blue that Open Source is a thing he'll just piss his pants even harder.

        So do it again!

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        Samuel Abram (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:22am

        Re: Doom being open source

        It's best to buy the game on Steam or GOG anyway. That way, you could just extract the WAD and then run it on ZDoom, which is a vastly improved experience. Also, consoles don't get the PC/Mac/Linux's kind of modifiability without jailbreaking it, and Doom is the king of mods last time I checked.

        That's why I'm sticking with the PC version.

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        Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:26am

        Re:

        Doom is open source.

        The engine, not the game. "You still need real DOOM data to work with this code. If you don't actually own a real copy of one of the DOOMs, you should still be able to find them at software stores."

        (There are lots of good free WADs, as there were since 1994, but only the original levels are really "Doom".)

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          PaulT (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:49am

          Re: Re:

          Yes, it's always worth stressing that with this kind of thing there's often different copyrights involved. The code might be released open source, but assets such as graphics, sound, music, level design, etc. might not be.

          It's great that some devs see the value in releasing their work to the public, but sadly they often don't have the right to release the game in any playable state, so others step in with semi-legal options based on their code.

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            Samuel Abram (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 6:27am

            Re: "Free" vs. "Open Source"

            Keep in mind the difference between "free" and "open source". "Free" means it's licensed with a free license or has its copyright waived altogether. "Open Source" means the source code is revealed to the public.

            Doom is open source, but it's not free.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 8:34am

              Fair points from you and the two poster above you. 👍

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              Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 8:53am

              Re: Re: "Free" vs. "Open Source"

              "Free" means it's licensed with a free license or has its copyright waived altogether. "Open Source" means the source code is revealed to the public.

              Those are not commonly accepted meanings. The respective defintions pushed by the Free Software Foundation and Open Source Institute (which are more or less accepted by software people) are nearly identical in practice.

              The Doom engine is GPLed—Open Source and Free Software. You can republish it with or without modifications, and lots of people have (eg. prboom-plus). It can be paired with Open Source and Free levels like FreeDoom.

              The Doom shareware levels can be freely distributed, but are not "Free" because people can't publish modified versions (I'm not aware of any concept of a "source" form for this data). The commercial levels cannot be modified or distributed, not even meeting one of your definitions.

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                Samuel Abram (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 10:25am

                Re: Re: Re: "Free" vs. "Open Source"

                Thanks for your insight, Anonymous Coward! It's just that in this XKCD comic, the word "open source licenses" was used, and Richard Stallman protested and said he was responsible for free, not open source licenses, and it took Randall Munroe a while to understand the difference.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 2:34pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: "Free" vs. "Open Sour

                  The Open Source Definition was based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which were meant to embody RMS's Free Software concept but in more detail. So the comic's not technically wrong. RMS's software licenses meet the Open Source Definition.

                  But the Open Source movement came about specifically as a way to disassociate from RMS and other people who were motivated on moral grounds, this being unpalatable to businesses. One can understand, then, why some get annoyed at being associated with the wrong group, even if both are, in practice, convincing people to write Free Open Source Software.

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 11:15am

                Comments like these are why I keep reading the comments here. 👍

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      Anonymous Coward, 30 Jul 2019 @ 9:06pm

      Re: I always knew you were a knuckle dragger

      How long ARE your fingers you freak of nature?

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      Mike Masnick (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 1:07am

      Re: For once, you wind up right! -- You don't own, can only laug

      Hey, can I suggest you not try to parody one of our more ridiculous trolls? No need for that nonsense.

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    Tim R (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 8:53pm

    I think the duality of it all illustrates the source of the problem.

    1) Content and media companies hate the idea of public domain and open source. They feel like everything should be owned. Otherwise, there's no "business model" behind it to make it successful (forgetting the fact that most ubiquitous internet technologies have been doing fine for decades without a "business model", a term I've always thought was horribly and myopically misused).
    2) The public, however, isn't allowed to own anything. Without a constant nickel & dime microtransactional (it's a word, I'm sure of it) revenue stream, those poor waif-like struggling companies like Microsoft and Sony would just fold up and cease to exist.

    So the result, ownership is king, as long as only royalty has it. The unwashed masses, however, are filthy thieves, profiting on the back of hard working artists and creators. (I know, I spelled "MBAs" and "trust fund babies" wrong)

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      Thad (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 8:29am

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      Content and media companies hate the idea of public domain and open source.

      FWIW, the Doom engine has been open-source since 1997. (But not the game content.)

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        Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 2:47pm

        Re: Re:

        FWIW, the Doom engine has been open-source since 1997.

        IIRC, id Software in those days was still a small privately-owned business. It wasn't so much a "company" decision as John Carmack's decision. (As the company grew, to their credit they did allow source releases for another decade, whether or not they liked it. That's still rare in the game-development world.)

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jul 2019 @ 11:08pm

    The interesting thing about Doom is that it's one of the few game outfits that has taken the other side in the culture war. While most of the gaming industry (and virtually all the gaming media) has gone the "woke" route and spewed venom at Gamergaters, Doom seems to be actively courting this market segment, many of whom have apparently gravitated toward the Alt-Right and Alt-Light. Time will tell if insulting SJWs and mocking Progressivism turns out to be a winning formula for Doom.

    https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/08/dooms-mortally-challenged-comment-has-sjws-calling-it-gr oss-and-anti-immigration/66299/

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 11:26pm

      The funny thing is, DOOM isn’t even a parody of “SJWs” (whatever that means to you in this tirade) and progressive values. Think about it for a moment: The Doom Slayer not only fights against the forces of Hell itself to keep them from overrunning humanity, he also tries to stop the people who stripmined Hell for unlimited clean energy and unleashed Hell on humanity as a result. If anything, the vendetta against UAC would make the Doom Slayer anti-capitalist — at least, to the degree that he can consciously be anything other than “too pissed off to die”.

      And if the DOOM Eternal trailers are any indication, the Doom Slayer will eventually come face-to-face with the forces of Heaven — and, potentially, God. I doubt the possibility of pulling the trigger on a BFG shoved down God’s throat is something conservatives would love.

      You’d probably be surprised at how many people you think are “SJWs” love DOOM — both the 2016 game and its ’90s predecessor. Well, you’d be surprised if you cared enough to look past the stereotypes and strawmen you have in your head.

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      Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 1:42am

      Re:

      Look them’s your panties bro. And I won’t tell you how to twist them. But dayummm....

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      James Burkhardt (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 8:19am

      Re:

      More interestingly, Those reports were widely overblown. Any attempt to find trends about the Doom Eternal controversy tend to turn up trends about Anti-SJW commentors laughing about the SJWs, not much about the SJW crowd upset about DOOM. And a lot of the SJW complaints by fans are in the vein of "well, I am still excited for the game, but i think they might be treading on questionable ground." Cautious enthusiasm, more than outrage.

      And, Doom has a history of satire of corporate inclusion speech. Much as Doom 3 and Doom 2016, the Mortally Challenged comment in context seems to be satire of overbearing corporate correctness, not of SJW commentary. Its important to note that the Mortally challenged line comes not from a SJW protester that Doom Guy kills, but a faceless corporate voice randomly declaring this to employees over a loudspeaker - during an invasion of the Mortally Challanged. This same voice's other lines in other games are all absolute satire of office PC or office safety announcements. I agree with Stephen here, the game is clearly anti-corporate, and go further to say the line is clearly part of a pattern of satire with an anti-corporate message that DOOM 3 and DOOM 2016 also engaged in.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Jul 2019 @ 11:46pm

    Speaking of “Doom”, there is a LOT of DOOM about to be unleashed on the Deep State:

    Speaking to WMAL radio, former U.S. Attorney Joe diGenova informs the audience that declassified documents will begin to be made public starting Wednesday July 31st.

    Additionally, Mr. diGenova states confidently that U.S. Attorney John Durham is not conducting a “review”, but is conducting a full criminal investigation with a grand jury empaneled and currently receiving testimony from witnesses.

    DOOM! DOOM!

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 30 Jul 2019 @ 11:55pm

      Yes, yes, and Donald Trump is thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to finally fulfilling QAnon’s dream of arresting a bunch of pedophiles. You know, pedophiles like Trump’s old pal Jeffrey Epstein.

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        Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:06am

        Re:

        Wow, Stephen, that’s really interesting. What do you think happened to Epstein? Big money guy, right, for a long time, with many friends, like Trump (long ago) and Clinton (not so long ago). Did he piss off the wrong person or what? Somebody sure got upset with him!

        As I understand it, he liked to hire young ladies (teenagers) to give massages in return for money, and to encourage their friends to do the same. And the prosecution’s biggest problem is that the young ladies would not testify against him, because they actually liked him (unlike you).

        What do you think about that, Stephen? He was recently found beaten senseless and unconscious in prison for his “crimes”, what do you think? For example, if he seduced a young lady, who loved him, and then got her parent’s permission to marry him, would he still be a criminal? Or if the ladies were over 18 instead of under 18, is he still as despicable and deserving of such severe punishment? Or should we just condemn his for his sexuality because he once knew Trump.

        Did I ever mention that my grandparents were sex therapists? Really, no kidding. They wrote books about it and had offices in New York City that catered to the really really rich, espousing the link between sexual expression and creativity, and sexual repression and criminality. That is, great and creative artists tend to have a lot of sex (aka rock stars and such) while people who suppress their sexual urges often end up murdering and mutilating people.

        I’m guessing you’re in the latter group, and I’m in the former. I remember the first girl that wanted to show me her “pussy”, I was 10 and she was 15, and I HONESTLY thought she was talking about her CAT! Her name was Cindy. Never forget her! Wow. That was a long time ago.

        Any early memories you would like to share? I’m guessing not, since you’re obviously the repressed angry nasty frustrated shit smearing gay black asshole type.

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          Stephen T. Stone (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:14am

          You’re not as good a writer than JK Rowling, so you can stop trying to come up with a fantasy story that rivals hers.

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            Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:20am

            Re:

            Hey Look an Amazon page with my grandmother’s books!

            https://www.amazon.com/Eleanor-Hamilton/e/B001KHN8ZG/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

            I’m in them, of course, she told everyone I spent too much time with my hands in my pockets, it was really embarrassing, because in my small Mass. town, EVERYBODY LOOKED (like that Dean Whitter commercial) whenever I reached for change. Had to get a change pocket on a chain.

            Well, we all have burdens we must bear. My grandmother and her fascination for sex was one of mine. How about sharing yours, Stephen? Maybe you would be less of a shit smearing asshole if you shared a little about yourself. Really. I’m serious. I’m a professional, I can help you.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:25am

              I’m a professional

              You’re a professional shitposter? 🤔

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                That One Guy (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:32am

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                Wouldn't surprise me, given how much practice they've got.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:39am

                  Re: Re:

                  You know, my “pro-bono” offer extends to any of your nutcase idiots, including you. I have absolutely no doubt, given a lifetime of experience in listening to, treating and (often) curing shit smearing assholes of their deviant behavior, YOU WOULD FEEL BETTER if you related something sincere about yourself to your audience on the Internet. Take off your mask! We will accept you just as you are, you are a good person, and you don’t need to hide. Be yourself! You’re OK!

                  Well, that’s not always true about everyone, but how will anyone know if there is any cure for your disease unless you OPEN UP! Really, it’s good for you, it’s good for EVERYBODY!

                  Take off your mask! Be real! Let your hair down! Chuckle, laugh, get over your negative ideas and negative words and ENJOY LIFE WITH THE REST OF US!

                  Or not, up to you, of course. Some people (<1%) really like to live in their phony pony false world using fake names and fake opinions without ever taking a chance on actually connecting in a personal way with other real people. There’s name for that that sometimes fits: Sociopath? Heard it before? Maybe in a medical diagnosis somewhere? Or are you the fellow that writes from the Mental Hospital (Uriel-238)

                  Anyway, relax and give it a go! Share something real!

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                Anonymous Coward, 1 Aug 2019 @ 9:57am

                Re:

                I think he’s the kind of guy that plays doom for its deep political meaning.

                Or maybe he is just a Russian troll bot who wishes more then anything he was able to get a position in the armed the Russian military instead just sitting behind a screen all day wondering what part of his life got him here lol

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              Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 1:33am

              Re: A “professional” piece of shit if you will.

              You you have quite the obsession with smearing shit. It point to the mentality of a child with a major cognitive deficit.

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              Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 1:44am

              Re: Re:

              “Well, we all have burdens we must bear. ”

              And your grandmothers was apparently you.

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      Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 1:30am

      Re: Whatsamatter Liebowitz got ya down?

      I know you’re mentally ill hamilton. But that shite is pathetic even for your dumb ass.

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        Gary (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:34am

        Re: Re: Whatsamatter Liebowitz got ya down?

        Do you mean Liebowitz, the one that was called a "Copyright Troll" in court documents? An statement that he failed to have redacted?

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 12:28am

    Things are only going to get worse with cloud gaming

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 1:03am

    There used to be a time when Hamilton was maybe mildly threatening, in the same way that a rambunctious kindergartener is threatening when triumphantly stealing a lollipop from his baby brother. Or a schoolyard bully kicking a nerd to show off his alpha male designation.

    Then Shiva lost his appeal, came to an agreement and Hamilton vanished, with the heavyweight in his corner gone. John Smith, his ardent supporter and closeted lover, gave up using his pseudonym (but not the telltale way he expresses his grudges) and crumbled back into obscurity.

    Months down the road we still have no wall, no Hilary arrest, Shiva's bid for dominance as the "Indian politician who slew Techdirt" in shambles... and Hamilton's only bid is to back the corner of Barr, Steele, Hansmeier and Liebowitz.

    The champions of intellectual property law, ladies and gentlemen!

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:27am

    Taking their word for it

    Bethesda claims it was an error. Whether that's true is anyone's guess. You clearly believe them, but perhaps you shouldn't present it as a fact with so much emphasis. Techdirt has a long history of calling out mainstream publications for uncritically parroting press releases, after all.

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      Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:57am

      Re: Taking their word for it

      Now, again, this was an error by Bethesda. What was supposed to happen was that login requirement was only supposed to happen for members of Bethesda's Slayers Club.

      Really? but what of...

      ... and an active Internet connection to play.

      Was that, too, an error?

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    PaulT (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 5:54am

    "Clicking any of the affected Doom games' listings right now, however, leads to dead Xbox 360 content pages, the kind you might find for delisted Xbox games like Marvel Ultimate Alliance."

    I'd just want to ask - did they try this with an account that had bought the games previously, or not? I ask because in my experience Microsoft are usually pretty good at keeping delisted titles available for people who had previously bought them to re-download. For example, the game Chime which was delisted due to music licences expiring is still available for me to re-download.

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      Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 6:20am

      Re: AFAIK

      The game was pulled from the marketplace and could no longer be re-downloaded by existing owners, apparently. The latter was (seemingly) in error.

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 6:44am

    It’s Bethesda. There’s no way they could’ve not fucked it up.

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 9:04am

    The original doom was much better.

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      Madd the Sane (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 9:37am

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      This was with the original Doom (and Doom II and III). Bethesda/Zenimax/whomever messed up the distribution badly.

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        Samuel Abram (profile), 31 Jul 2019 @ 10:55am

        Re: Re: Got it right the first time

        No, the Anonymous Coward to which you are replying is onto something. The Doom (1993) and Doom II ports for the Switch, PS4, and XBox One are remakes made in the Unity Engine, not the original open-source Doom engine.

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 10:48am

    being the digital equivalent of requiring a key and ignition to operate a horse-drawn carriage.

    Timothy... you're living in the past. People start their horses with proximity fobs and buttons now.

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    Anonymous Coward, 31 Jul 2019 @ 11:56am

    Thought about buying a game recently. An old game no longer found was re-released. I noticed that it was cheaper than the going AAA games and wondered why. So I got to looking and it turns out you needed an internet connection as well as paying for a premium game membership in order to play it.

    I just turned around and walked away. The game wasn't whole and unto itself. It required a monthly payment to the game membership in order to play it. That's just not worth it to me.

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    bobob, 31 Jul 2019 @ 2:15pm

    Well, the solution that works for me is to not buy something I won't own. If there are products I can't own if I buy them, then should I actually want one of those products (which so far hasn't happened), I will assume obtaining them some other way is just a part of the game those companies want to play. If companies want to behave that way toward their customers, then they should expect to be repaid in kind.

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