Now Twitter's 'Report' Function Being Used To Disappear Complaint About GDPR Being Used To Disappear Public Court Document

from the so-that's-great dept

Just recently we wrote about how a guy in France, Michael Francois Bujaldon, who had been sued in the US and accused of securities and real estate fraud, had apparently been using the GDPR's right to be forgotten features to get the court docket about this lawsuit deleted from the web (in at least one case) or have his name removed from it (in the other). Our story focused on the situation with the website PlainSite, which is run by Aaron Greenspan and hosts tons of public court dockets. In our comments, it was interesting to note that at least one person seemed hellbent on trashing Greenspan. Greenspan and I have had our own differences throughout the years, and he has been a vocal critic of the way I've covered him in the past, but these comments seemed to go way over the line.

And now, Greenspan informs me that someone is trying to get his original tweet -- which alerted me to this abuse of the GDPR to delete public documents -- disappeared from the internet as well. On Wednesday morning Greenspan discovered that both his PlainSite Twitter account and his personal Twitter account were "limited" due to reports. It's unclear why his personal account was limited, but Twitter told him that his original tweet about Bujaldon violated its rules on "posting personal information."

It is difficult to see how a tweet that simply reads "French scam artist Michael Francois Bujaldon is using the GDPR to attempt to remove traces of his United States District Court case from the internet. He has already succeeded in compelling PacerMonitor to remove his case. We have 24 hours to respond" (and then links to the PlainSite docket) could possibly violate any Twitter rules, but the company told him he needed to delete the tweet in question:

Once again, we're in a situation where if you hand people tools to delete content they dislike -- whether it's a DMCA takedown process, a GDPR "right to be forgotten" or a private platform's "report abuse" button -- some percentage of people are going to abuse that. And, as we've discussed many times, with the private platform decision making process involving overworked, underpaid workers who have to make determinations on each "report" with about 5 seconds to consider the report, many, many mistakes are going to be made. This is yet another one, and is yet another example of why we should be careful about giving people even more tools for deleting content.


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    Wee Puns, 4 Oct 2018 @ 12:11pm

    So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

    To suppress what's within common law, say, viewpoints? -- Okay. How soon are you going to implement that policy here?

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      Gary (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 12:23pm

      Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

      I'm looking to you for a workable solution if Mike removed the Report button.
      Because as anyone Honest will say, posting boards are unworkable without moderation.
      Please show us how your website works again? The one where anyone can post anything with no moderation? And all the articles are written by you?

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 12:43pm

      Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

      What, exactly, does "common law" say about comments on websites?

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      John Roddy (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 12:51pm

      Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

      You keep getting flagged because you regularly openly lie about everything, make excuses when you're proven wrong, and hurl baseless insults every time you get called out on it. You are welcome to start participating if you can prove that you're able to behave.

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        wereisjessicahyde (profile), 8 Oct 2018 @ 7:08am

        Re: Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

        To be fair, I'm not sure that making excuses is a valid reason to flag a comment. Neither is being wrong.

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          That One Guy (profile), 8 Oct 2018 @ 8:09am

          Re: Re: Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

          I read 'making excuses' as 'rather than admit to being wrong, and having been shown to be wrong, pivoting to something else and/or ignoring being proven wrong', which does not strike me as part of an honest discussion.

          The 'being wrong' bit would also fall under the same category of 'arguing dishonestly' depending on how it's done. It's one thing to be wrong, another to have been proven wrong and yet repeating the same claims over and over again, no matter how many times people correct you. At that point you're not engaging in a conversation so much as spamming.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:24pm

      Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

      A Twitter account is a personal micro blogging account, where each person has an identifiable stream of tweets, while this is Mikes blog, with anonymous posting. A twitter use can filter by tweeters name, users here can't, and in any case comments are only hidden and not removed.

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:36pm

      otherwording (or in-other-wordsing) — noun — The practice of summarizing an argument in a way that intentionally distorts it into saying something it does not and slanders the person who made it; this is often done to make winning an argument easier.

      Example: You can typically find the phrases “in other words” or “so you’re saying” at the beginning of an instance of otherwording.

      See also: strawman; your post

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:47pm

      Re:member when you left forever

      Earlier today.

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 2:24pm

      Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

      You're a self admitted (and proven) liar and professional troll.

      Out of curiosity, who is paying you to continue to make an ass of yourself on here?

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 3:32pm

        Re: Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

        No one pays him. He does that service for free. In fact he’s admitted being jealous because the Ruskies pay their trolls.

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      Toom1275 (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 3:07pm

      Re: So you're saying "Report" buttons shouldn't be weaponized?

      viewpoints

      That word does not mean what you think it means.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 12:19pm

    Freedom of speech... till it's speech we don't like. Then it's Detrimental to the Common Good, Think of the Children, Made Me Feel Bad, Fake News, etc ad nauseum and Should Be Banned.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 12:57pm

    The court records are not under seal & are public.
    This isn't his private information, this is him being sued for allegations of fraud. Twitter needs to really learn to get their shit together.

    Perhaps those in charge of GDPR should be replaced with people who have the ability to think. It is one thing to 'right to be forgotten' charges from 20 yrs ago it is another to hide a current lawsuit opening citizens up to being defrauded.

    If you did something bad 20 yrs ago & never anything since, okay maybe you deserve to have that event forgotten, but it being used this way is totally what people said would happen.

    Perhaps people shouldn't have a right to be forgotten, if their 'crimes' follow them around perhaps they will have a hard time finding more victims and have to consider that they won't be able to just wipe it away & setup the next sucker to rip off.

    But then things are all sorts of messed up across the pond, I mean if you are rich and powerful enough you can get a court to stop people reporting/talking about charges of having beaten your wife or abusing a child. When was the last time they issued a super-injuction for the average bloke?

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      Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:12pm

      Re:

      Another thing about the right to be forgotten is, how the hell are they going to get it out of my head?

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        Stephen T. Stone (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:47pm

        Re: Re:

        “Well, we have this here memory eraser, see…”

        “That’s a gun.”

        “Don’t correct the guy holding the memory eraser.”

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        That One Guy (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 4:21pm

        Re: Re:

        You're allowed to think it, you're just not allowed to say it and/or tell anyone else.

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          Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 4:32pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          And that has what to do with forgetting?

          If we read the criteria critically, something usual under most laws, the remembering part is, ahem, illegal. Which brings up another point. If I remember, but don't say so, technically I have broken their law, but how are they gonna know?

          The whole concept is stupid, and impossible to enforce. Which won't stop the witch hunts and the injuries it causes.

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 5:57pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            And that has what to do with forgetting?

            It's the same as dumping a gallon of dye into a river. Initially, it's easy to see the dye and trace it back to the origin. Give it some time though, and not only can you no longer find the origin, it's nearly impossible to prove that the dye even existed in the first place.

            Similarly, since it is impossible to erase memories, the law simply orders the erasure of all external references to the memories. This 1) prevents new memories from forming in new people and 2) the mental connections necessary for memory recall atrophy without external reference and reinforcement, such that over time even the people who "remember" it will simply no longer think about it. Further, human memory is exceptionally fluid so over time the memory will mutate as different details are lost/filled in, eventually resulting in fundamental disagreements even among the people who supposedly "remember" the event in question.

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            Anonymous Coward, 5 Oct 2018 @ 2:59am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            "The whole concept is stupid"

            This is something they excel at.

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    ECA (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:22pm

    And??

    Lets ust send a copy of the public record..

    The Right to be forgotten is the Right to be considered a GOD..
    NO HUMAN has a Pure history..we are all idiots..

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2018 @ 1:31pm

    Is the GDPR applicable in non European countries?
    If so, is it applicable to Donald?

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      Bergman (profile), 4 Oct 2018 @ 8:21pm

      Re:

      According to the EU, they have global authority to enforce their laws, regardless of the laws or sovereignty of other nations.

      Historically, any attempt to actually do so is a casus belli that usually leads to war. But the EU insists that in this particular case it's not. Somehow. Because reasons.

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    Glenn, 4 Oct 2018 @ 2:03pm

    When you provide tools that allow anyone to effectively have something they don't like be deleted, then eventually everything will be deleted as more and more "haters of all things not blessed by me" take advantage of them.

    Freedom of speech is all about offending someone somewhere or making someone afraid of something (and rightly so). Humanity's right to know far outweighs anyone's "right" to be forgotten.

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    Unanimous Cow Herd, 4 Oct 2018 @ 7:03pm

    Yep!

    And some of you called Alex Jones a "Conspiracy Theorist".

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    Unanimous Cow Herd, 4 Oct 2018 @ 7:06pm

    From the "Morty's Mind Blowers" Dept.

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