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by Karl Bode


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Reddit Ignored A Year's Worth Of User Warnings About Iranian Propaganda

from the fake-plastic-trees dept

Not to be outdone by their friends over at the Russian Internet Research Agency, Iran has also amped up its online disinformation efforts in a bid to fill the internet with an additional layer of hate and nonsense. Like Russia's efforts, the goal appears to be focused on pouring some gasoline on the United States' deep, existing partisan, racial, and ideological divisions. According to recent analysis by security firm FireEye, the Iranian effort included a rotating crop of fake social media identities and websites, all of which pushed policies of interest to the Iranian government.

The effort included numerous bogus news websites and hundreds of fake accounts on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Earlier this month Facebook announced it had removed hundreds of accounts and pages tied to this effort, with one of the fake organizations ("Liberty Front Press,") having 155,000 Facebook and 48,000 Instagram followers. Twitter also subsequently announced that it had purged 770 different Twitter accounts found to be engaging in "coordinated manipulation" originating in Iran. It's a game of Whac-a-Mole that isn't likely to end anytime soon.

Of interesting note, Reddit users and a moderator had uncovered a number of these accounts more than a year ago. Some of these users were immensely-successful in getting Reddit love, with at least a quarter of the users considered Reddit "power users" with more than 10,000 karma (one of the suspended accounts, elikh13 had the top overall post on Reddit just last week). Iran's effort most heavily targeted r/WorldNews, the site’s third-largest subreddit with more than 19 million subscribers.

From July 2017 onward, a group of volunteers including a Reddit moderator from California named Alex Brown brought the bogus accounts to Reddit's attention more than two-dozen times, but were repeatedly ignored:

"Brown and other amateur researchers notified Reddit, but the website...did not respond." In total, there were more than two dozen times that the group of Reddit power users, led by Brown, notified Reddit employees of the Iranian disinformation operation, starting in July 2017, according to correspondence viewed by NBC News. The two most recent messages identifying Iranian propaganda to Reddit's paid administrators came on Aug. 16 and 18, just days before Facebook's pulldown."

After the FireEye report became publicized, Reddit joined Facebook and Twitter in shutting many of the accounts down. The company acknowledged that it had confirmed 143 accounts that were part of the Iranian effort, 126 of which were created between 2015 and 2018, and 17 of which dated back to 2011. From a post by Reddit CTO Christopher Slowe:

"We believe this type of interference will increase in frequency, scope, and complexity. We're investing in more advanced detection and mitigation capabilities, and have recently formed a threat detection team that has a very particular set of skills. Skills they have acquired...you know the drill. Our actions against these threats may not always be immediately visible to you, but this is a battle we have been fighting, and will continue to fight for the foreseeable future. And of course, we’ll continue to communicate openly with you about these subjects."

Reddit has reached out to Brown and the other volunteer researchers and apologized, and the company says it's continuing to work on standards and procedures to police evolving propaganda efforts moving forward. Brown told NBC News he appreciated the apology, but noted that sites like Reddit still aren't doing enough to police disinformation and propaganda. The website still has no hard rule prohibiting propaganda, though these users may occasionally run afoul of Reddit's restrictions on spamming.

It remains entirely unclear what actual impact these efforts had on the 2016 election and American discourse, but as the recently-revealed Macedonian disinformation efforts make clear, we're only just scratching the service of how deep this particular rabbit hole goes, which countries and governments are involved, and just how much cross-coordination has taken place.


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  1. icon
    NoahVail (profile), 6 Sep 2018 @ 1:40pm

    Wishes

    I wish deep existing partisan, racial, and ideological divisions weren't okay with nearly everyone.

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  2. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 1:45pm

    Lets see, if I have this correct, government want to control the Internet because of misinformation, which is created bu the same governments for political purposes.

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  3. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 2:08pm

    It's sad that politics is such a rift in this country.

    It seems worse that americans avoid talking about politics in private; it's not considered an appropriate dinner-table topic. It's hard to sit down with another person your respect and engage in reasoned debate with them with that ball-and-chain of "I still want to be friends with this person afterward because they're a real person to me" around your ankle.

    Instead, americans seem to talk about politics either to people they already know the politics of (safe targets, preaching to the choir, etc) or online (where you are comfortably free of 'real people'.)

    Maybe it's just anecdotal bias on my part.

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  4. icon
    Ninja (profile), 6 Sep 2018 @ 2:14pm

    That's what the bullshit R vs D mentality will get to the US: mutual assured destruction. Keep hating.

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  5. icon
    radix (profile), 6 Sep 2018 @ 2:21pm

    The website still has no hard rule prohibiting propaganda

    Well of course. The only difference between propaganda and advertising is who's getting paid.

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  6. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 2:50pm

    Do successful propaganda accounts "drive user engagement" (aka get clicks)...? Yes. Yes, they do. And right there's your answer why no site owner can be bothered to get rid of them.

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  7. icon
    Kaelis (profile), 6 Sep 2018 @ 3:01pm

    In fairness to the reddit admins not taking action, the last time "amateur reddit researchers" made claims about someone, they called a random college student the Boston Marathon bomber and harassed his family to the point of a breakdown. And then it turned out the poor kid had committed suicide over a month before...

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  8. identicon
    Christenson, 6 Sep 2018 @ 3:03pm

    This just in: Twitter permabanned Alex Jones

    Twitter has perma-banned Alex Jones today.

    Just curious, how long before we see a website known as twitter.infowars.com????

    I'm betting about a month.

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  9. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 3:09pm

    We did it Reddit! Hello? Reddit? Are you there?

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    DiscontentedMajority (profile), 6 Sep 2018 @ 3:37pm

    Online disinformation efforts?

    After looking though the report it looks like they were just using bot accounts and advertising networks to promote news they liked.

    I'm pretty sure if a corporation did this same thing it would be labeled a "promotional campaign" and no one would care.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 4:32pm

    "Iran has also amped up its online disinformation efforts in a bid to fill the internet with an additional layer of hate and nonsense. "

    Where is the disinformation? They were making phony accounts to promote news articles, but were those news articles disinformation? I don't think so. They were about things like the Syrian civil war and Palestinian rights.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 6:05pm

    Oh I see, so USA is allowed to spit all the propaganda they want around the world, but not Russia or Iran.

    Techdirt has show its true colors now.

    This is ridiculous.

    ALL COUNTRIES SPIT PROPAGANDA, but they are all wrong, only America is right. Exceptionalism. I get it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 6:06pm

    Re:

    Exactly.

    Techdirt is showing its true colors now.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 6:06pm

    Re: Online disinformation efforts?

    Only USA propaganda is allowed, according to Techdirt.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 6:08pm

    Re:

    Remember, according to T echdirt, only USA is allowed to spit propaganda. What a hypocrite stance.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 6:11pm

    Re:

    American hypocrisy. And t echdir t is playing a part right now.

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  17. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 6:12pm

    Re: Wishes

    Differences are OK. Fighting over them is what kills civilizations.

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  18. icon
    Sayonara Felicia-San (profile), 6 Sep 2018 @ 9:28pm

    Re:

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  19. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 10:56pm

    Re: Re:

    Thanks for the spam posting. Which US propaganda are we ok with now? Please let me know so i can examine something i may have missed.

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  20. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 Sep 2018 @ 11:04pm

    Re: Online disinformation efforts?

    This. I have issues with some of these things when they produce utter disinformation, but the complaints about fake users or outlets "sowing discord" by publishing or promoting factual material are patently ridiculous. Even a year or more ago, the more honest complaints actually admit that factual news is a problem for them because of who is promoting it.

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  21. icon
    That One Guy (profile), 7 Sep 2018 @ 1:18am

    Re:

    so USA is allowed to spit all the propaganda they want around the world

    [Citation Needed]. Provide the articles and/or comments by TD staff expressing support for american propaganda, or admit to lying.

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  22. identicon
    Talmyr, 7 Sep 2018 @ 5:47am

    Re: Re:

    There's a difference between propaganda and misinformation. Plenty of both of which happen from within the US itself. It really doesn't need external State actors throwing oil on as well.

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  23. identicon
    fdsa, 7 Sep 2018 @ 6:29am

    Re: Re: Wishes

    How people fight over them is the issue. Irrational emotional mob anger only pushes people further into their safe-zones. It's tribalism.

    Remedy for the situation is if more people used empathy, calm discourse, or assumed the strongest interpretation of another person's arguments rather than the weakest - not twisting their words for tribe points.

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  24. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 7 Sep 2018 @ 6:36am

    Re:

    I can confirm this.

    I have lost friends "because" of this administration.

    I'm talking a groomsman and my best-man from my wedding friend.

    Like many racists hiding deep in their closets they came bounding out in glee when Trump was confirmed and started doing overtly racist stuff. Started to post things that were anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, etc.

    I ask them point blank, how can you post this shit? And it's like I'm talking to another person when they say "oh whatever grow up." or some other inane response along with "we don't want people like that around here"

    Being long time friends knowing full well my family history like I know their history. They know one of my parents came to this country when they fled here on refugee status ages ago when they were a 4 year old.

    The other immigrated here in a far more normal way.

    These people, these really good friends, all the sudden pull off their mask to say to me they never wanted me in this country, they never wanted the ability for me to be born or my family to exist in this country. Just what the fuck.

    So yea, Americans not talking about politics more often is a big issue. Your comment really resonated with me.

    I wasted my life with people who were my friends for whatever fucked up reason. Maybe I was this "exception" you always hear with racists when they go "Oh black people steal jobs and rape white woman... except for that one black family that lives in town. Those are good people. The exception to the rule"

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Sep 2018 @ 6:43am

    Re: Re:

    Yup, hypocrisy is not found anywhere else in the entire known universe.

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  26. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 7 Sep 2018 @ 6:46am

    Re: Re:

    I missed that one, do you have a link to where TD stated that?

    If a person makes a claim and refuses to substantiate same, what does that make them?

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Sep 2018 @ 6:48am

    Re:

    ... and "news articles" are not propaganda - got it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 7 Sep 2018 @ 6:49am

    Re:

    You seem to be an expert at propganda

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  29. identicon
    Wendy Cockcroft, 7 Sep 2018 @ 7:16am

    Re: Re: Re: Wishes

    It doesn't help that the media stokes these divisions, encouraging people to see dissent as enmity.

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  30. identicon
    Wendy Cockcroft, 7 Sep 2018 @ 7:19am

    Re: Re:

    Same thing has happened on this side of the Pond. Brexit is bringing out the bug-eyed loons and one of the things it's supposed to fix is immigration. Like you, AC, I point out that being Irish, I'm an economic migrant.

    "Not you," they reply.

    Of course not. I'm white.

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  31. identicon
    Wendy Cockcroft, 7 Sep 2018 @ 7:22am

    Re: Re: Online disinformation efforts?

    Not true, see links above.

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    Watt About, 7 Sep 2018 @ 7:53am

    Always ignoring that Israel shot and killed a couple hundred,

    besides wounded for life a couple thousand Palestinians who were no actual threat, protesting ACTUALLY being trapped by a wall Israel built in an open-air prison in THEIR OWN country.

    Not to be outdone by their friends over at the Russian Internet Research Agency, Iran has also amped up its online disinformation efforts in a bid to fill the internet with an additional layer of hate and nonsense.

    THAT IS SHEER PROPAGANDA. Crude and obvious, though I'm sure minion believes it a sly insertion.

    Never a hint here that US / UK / Israel even engage in propaganda. But the US has at least 850,000 spooks in "Top Secret America", and some of them must do propaganda. Never a hint here that the "color revolutions" including now in Iran were/are CIA-funded, besides the de-stabilization of Venezuala. No, it's only the chosen enemies of Israel that Techdirt attacks.

    Neither Russia nor Iran are even aggressive in way that I see. In any case, definitely not worse than during the Cold War. It's just that now shrieky little snowflakes write tripe like this. -- By the way, the New York Times up to 90s was definitely promoting Communism and saying we should make friends with Russia! Now that's flipped because the Deep State needs it as enemy. All just more Establishment propanda.

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  33. icon
    John85851 (profile), 7 Sep 2018 @ 11:00am

    Re: Wishes

    The main problem with politics in this country is that people get so dug-into their own position that they don't listen to each other. It goes something like this:
    Person 1: Trump's policy against immigrants is bad. (As reported by a few news sites and backed by Trump's character.)
    Person 2: I think Trump's policy is good (Okay, that's someone's opinion.)
    Person 1: But according to these sites, here are the bad things that will happen. (Again, using statistics and proof.)
    Person 2: I'll believe whatever I want and you have no right to censor my postings. You think Trump is bad now, just wait until my friends and I vote-in even worse people!

    And, yes, I've seen a number of sites talking about a "left-wing backlash" as far-right people try to "get back" at left-wing people for attacking them.
    So once again, people let emotion tell them how to vote: they're rather "get back" at someone else than vote for candidates that would be best for them or the country.

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  34. icon
    Thad (profile), 7 Sep 2018 @ 11:48am

    Re: Re: Wishes

    So once again, people let emotion tell them how to vote: they're rather "get back" at someone else than vote for candidates that would be best for them or the country.

    Nah, that's a rationalization.

    Nobody voted for Trump because someone was mean to them on the Internet. If someone claims to have done so, it's because they're embarrassed by their choice and want to blame it on somebody else.

    Party of personal responsibility.

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  35. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 7 Sep 2018 @ 12:47pm

    Re: Always ignoring that Israel shot and killed a couple hundred,

    Actually TD did a piece on American propaganda just the other day. Pretty sure it was something about an American company robo-calling older people and lying to their face about how net neutrality would cost them their life savings or something like that.

    THAT IS SHEER PROPAGANDA. Crude and obvious,

    So you're saying Russia and Iran aren't running their own online disinformation efforts that have the effect of adding another layer of hate and nonsense onto the already massive pile of hate and nonsense we currently have? Good to know, I guess they are angels looking out for the good of all humanity and Trump and America are the devil and should be burned at the stake.

    Oh, woops, that's right, you support Trump. Well, this is awkward.

    reply to this | link to this | view in thread ]

  36. icon
    jupiterkansas (profile), 7 Sep 2018 @ 1:59pm

    Re:

    Politics and religion have always been taboo subjects, and for the very reason that it's almost always divisive.

    Unfortunately on the internet, and esp. with social media, people feel fine saying things they would never say in front of people.

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