Illinois Prosecutor Brings Felony Eavesdropping Charges Against 13-Year-Old Who Recorded His Conversation With School Administrators

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One of Illinois' most-abused laws continues to be abused. For years, cops used the state's eavesdropping laws to arrest citizens who attempted to record them. This practice finally stopped when three consecutive courts -- including a federal appeals court -- ruled the law was unconstitutional when applied to target citizens recording public servants.

This may have led to the end of bullshit arrests from cops who didn't like being observed while they worked, but it's still being used by government officials to punish people they don't like. Illinois Policy reports a 13-year-old student is facing felony charges for recording a meeting between him and two school administrators.

On Feb. 16, 2018, [Paul] Boron was called to the principal’s office at Manteno Middle School after failing to attend a number of detentions. Before meeting Principal David Conrad and Assistant Principal Nathan Short, he began recording audio on his cellphone.

Boron said he argued with Conrad and Short for approximately 10 minutes in the reception area of the school secretary’s office, with the door open to the hallway. When Boron told Conrad and Short he was recording, Conrad allegedly told Boron he was committing a felony and promptly ended the conversation.

Principal Conrad sure knows his local statutes. He turned Boron in to law enforcement, which apparently decided to go ahead and process the paperwork, rather than tell Conrad to stop acting like a child. This led to prosecutors being just as unwilling to be the adults in the room.

In his petition to bring the charge, Kankakee County Assistant State’s Attorney Mark Laws wrote that Boron on Feb. 16 “used a cellphone to surreptitiously record a private conversation between the minor and school officials without consent of all parties.”

The law forbids recordings without all parties' consent. It would seem that the school officials' refusal to discuss anything further once they were informed they were being recorded should have been enough. The conversation was ended, along with the recording. If they were concerned they said something they shouldn't have during the previous ten minutes, maybe should have restrained themselves during the argument, rather than ruin a 13-year-old's life with a bad law Illinois legislators refuse to rewrite. Given how often this law is used to protect the powerful, it's hardly surprising legislators haven't expressed a serious interest in fixing it.

As it stands now, the law relies on a "reasonable expectation of privacy" to determine whether recordings without the consent of all parties are illegal. A conversation in a school's reception area hardly seems to be the place where privacy would be expected. Unfortunately, the law doesn't actually say recordings in ostensibly public areas are legal. This was the legislature's response to multiple court rulings declaring the old law unconstitutional. This may have made most recordings of police officers legal, but it still makes lots of recordings of public officials -- like school administrators -- a felony.

For a 13-year-old, this is a huge problem. This places his recording of his conversation with school officials on the same level as aggravated assault and stalking. It comes with a minimum prison sentence of one year. The reaction by school officials is petty and vindictive and only draws more attention to the recording at issue. If these officials are willing to subject a student to a felony prosecution to keep the conversation from being made public, what sort of things were said by the supposed adults in the room?

Anyone further down the line -- from local law enforcement to the county prosecutor -- could have put a stop to this chain of events but they all chose not to. The cops may feel they had no choice but to follow up, but the "prosecutorial discretion" lauded most frequently by those who rarely exercise it (prosecutors) is, once again, nowhere to be found.


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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 9:39am

    "The reaction by school officials is petty and vindictive"

    school officials = petty and vindictive

    why else would they crap up "Zero Tolerance" policies... unless it's something their politics says must be tolerated that is.

    Kids are kids... they need to be able to make some mistakes without it fucking up their life... but these clowns do not care... no matter how much they say they do when their unions get on their soap boxes!

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 2:29pm

      Re:

      Kids are kids...

      But will the court try them as kids?

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      Bruce C., 27 Jun 2018 @ 5:44pm

      Re:

      I wonder about the missed detentions and the reasons they were given in the first place...were those earlier mistakes by the kid, or was there a vindictive policy in place even before the recording. Why would he have even thought about recording the conversation if he thought he was being treated fairly.

      Not enough facts out there to decide for sure. He could be a kid that was spiralling down long before this incident, but a felony rap isn't going to do a damn thing to rehabilitate him.

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      ECA (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 6:43pm

      Re:

      Does ANY minor have the rights to Privacy??
      And to those that SPEAK to my child, IN A LEGAL FORM.. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT, until he is NOT considered a minor..

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 28 Jun 2018 @ 2:30am

      Re:

      These were administrators not teachers, they are management and not union members.

      Which means that many of them don't care about the students or the teachers.

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        ECA (profile), 28 Jun 2018 @ 7:27pm

        Re: Re:

        Do you know that there is a LAW against Bitching at an employee, IN PUBLIC VIEW??

        "Boron said he argued with Conrad and Short for approximately 10 minutes in the reception area of the school secretary’s office, with the door open to the hallway. "

        AND..
        HE IS MY KID..(not really) he is a MINOR..If you are thinking you can be REAL SERIOUS WITH M|Y KID...I SUGGEST YOU ASK ME FIRST...

        It was a public area. He was a minor.. the MINOR has more protections THEN YOU DO, as a minor..
        Intimidation in a public area..IS AGAINST THE LAW..

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    Kevin Hayden, 27 Jun 2018 @ 9:53am

    Administrators may have shot themselves in the foot

    If the school administrators wanted to keep the conversation out of the public eye, they may have shot themselves in the foot. The lawyer for the kid should ask to have the entire recorded conversation entered into the public record at the trial. Perhaps a threat of this nature would cause the prosecution to reconsider its case, or at least prove embarrassing to the administrators.

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      Jeremy Lyman (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 10:59am

      Re: Administrators may have shot themselves in the foot

      Yup, this was my thought as well. How does anyone know if there was even a recording unless it is preserved, presented in court, and the administrator testifies that it's him being recorded without consent?

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      Bergman (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 2:26pm

      Re: Administrators may have shot themselves in the foot

      Schools often have security cameras. Police have dash cameras. Lots of businesses have cameras. Many of them record sound as well as video.

      The government exemption to wiretapping, eavesdropping and voyeurism laws requires the government possess a valid warrant. Engaging in those activities without a warrant is every bit as illegal for the government as it is for private citizens.

      Where is the school's warrant? Where is the police warrant for those dash cams? For body cams?

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 2:36pm

        Re: Re: Administrators may have shot themselves in the foot

        Lots of businesses have cameras. Many of them record sound as well as video.

        The laws are generally stricter for audio recordings, so they should be careful with that. If they're recording video only, and there are signs, that's fine in most or all of the country (except in specific places, restrooms etc.).

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    • identicon
      Bruce C., 27 Jun 2018 @ 5:45pm

      Re: Administrators may have shot themselves in the foot

      Probably not a good idea. it would be an admission of guilt under the law and he'd have to go through the appeal on constitutional grounds.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 9:53am

    One really needs to ask what the school staff was up to.
    To destroy a 13 yr olds life over a meeting...
    I wonder how many children they call in and bully on a regular basis, but no one believes the kids because school officials would NEVER do anything bad to kids & attempts to have a recording to avoid the truth being whatever the adult claims later needs to be treated like an assault.

    One does wonder if the prosecutor no longer wants the job b/c its hard to explain away I sent a 13 yr old to prison for the felony of trying to record a meeting with school officials where the student wanted a record of what was said.

    But hey, rules are rules and if you didn't want a school to prison pipeline you wouldn't ever question your betters.

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  • identicon
    John Cressman, 27 Jun 2018 @ 10:03am

    Odd

    Are PUBLIC school officials NOT public servants? What are they? Public TASKMASTERS?

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    JoeCool (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 10:11am

    Cha-CHING!

    Illinois taxpayers are gonna be on the hook for another million dollar settlement after his family's lawsuit over a law already declared unconstitutional. Should be a slam dunk - I expect the family has more offers from lawyers than you can shake a stick at for the opportunity at 30% of the settlement.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 10:34am

      Re: Cha-CHING!

      They will fight it all the way to the supreme court again. Then they will be forced to pay millions in restitution for the rights violations of this kid who may have kids by then.

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  • identicon
    David, 27 Jun 2018 @ 10:33am

    Can't we put him in the sex offender registry for this?

    I mean, a 1 year felony prison sentence is nice and all that but to send a real message to U.S. children, fucking them over for the rest of their life just seems more impressive.

    A year is over so fast. Well, at least the U.S. prisons are in a state where they may mar him for the rest of his life as well, so maybe it's not that much of a lost opportunity.

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    • identicon
      Pixelation, 27 Jun 2018 @ 12:02pm

      Re: Can't we put him in the sex offender registry for this?

      Nice to see them working to get a hardened criminal off the streets.

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    tom (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 11:19am

    There is something going on between Mr Boron and that school administration because of all of the detentions and Mr Boron deciding to miss them. Might be interesting to investigate that in the process.

    Wonder what Mr Conrad and Mr Short said that they are so afraid of being recorded?

    Wonder if Mr Conrad and Mr Short violated any rules by having a 'detention/punishment/etc' discussion with a minor student in a public area? There are some pretty interesting Federal laws on preserving student privacy.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 12:46pm

    Why the hell were the police involved in the first place? Cant't the schools deal with discipline problems without going over the top and initiating criminal charges?

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      Madd the Sane (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 1:15pm

      Re:

      From the look of the school's administration, apparently not.

      Then again, this seems like someone being petty.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 1:56pm

      Re:

      Actually, this raises another issue: when a child is at school, they are wards of the state.

      That means that this isn't the case of one private individual recording a conversation with two public individuals... it's the case of one child recording a conversation with his wards.

      This means that it's the same as if your kid presses record on your phone while at home without your permission, and then tells you 10 minutes later that they're recording.

      Does any sane individual really think that this violates the all parties rule? The child is supposed to be in their care, which means that THEY are responsible for any recordings that child makes. So it should be the adults in the room who get the felony charges, NOT the 13 year old.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 12:53pm

    the "prosecutorial discretion" lauded most frequently by those who rarely exercise it (prosecutors)

    Seems there may be some misunderstandings here. Prosecutorial discretion is exercised routinely. Now, it may be exercised in a way contrary to how they claim it will be exercised (getting the powerful off of very real charges, as opposed to getting the peasants off of stupid ones), but it's laughable to claim it isn't brought to the gym for a nice workout 3 times a week.

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    Cdaragorn (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 12:59pm

    Stupid laws

    How the heck is a video/picture recording considered protected speech, but an audio recording isn't? These ridiculous laws trying to pretend there's some significant difference between the two need to die. The only thing they're ever used for is to protect bad behavior.

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    • identicon
      Bruce C., 27 Jun 2018 @ 5:51pm

      Re: Stupid laws

      Actually, the audio recording laws offer better protection against government intrusion than the video laws. The point was to protect people's privacy.

      The act of recording audio or video isn't protected speech. The playback would be.

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    Walter Tuvell (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 1:02pm

    Different example of Ill secret recording

    FYI: I'm in the process of using a surreptitious recording (of Fed officials, in Ill), in a Federal Judicial Misconduct proceeding of mine. It has some novel twists (federal judicial clerk/employee; cross-state; anonymous because speaker refused to divulge her name). Audio + transcript at http://judicialmisconduct.us/CaseStudies/RYANvUS(ALSCHULERvEASTERBROOK#phonecall).

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  • identicon
    TRX, 27 Jun 2018 @ 1:07pm

    A 13-year-old kid with a cellphone at school?

    And two "school administrators" too dumb to realize most phones will record ambient conversations?

    Hey kid: next time, don't record - just call your mom and let her listen in.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 1:57pm

    School employees are considered Public Officials in Illinois right?

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    SlyHavoc, 27 Jun 2018 @ 2:00pm

    Door open to hallway makes the conversation "public".

    'nuff said.

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      R.H. (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 8:34pm

      Re: Door open to hallway makes the conversation "public".

      Unfortunately, as the article points out, recordings in public areas still aren't legal unless you have permission from all recorded parties. This is something that has to be worked out by the state legislature. All I know is that if this happened to any of my family members in Illinois, there'd be some issues.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 11:59pm

        Re: Re: Door open to hallway makes the conversation "public".

        The law makes it illegal to record a "private conversation" as defined in the statute, where it just says a "private conversation" is one where a party has a reasonable expectation that the conversation is private. It could certainly be argued that a conversation in a reception area with the door open is not reasonably expected to be private, as opposed to, say, a conversation in the principal's office with the door closed.

        The statute also says that one-party consent is allowed if the recording is made to gather evidence of a crime. So, if the school officials were doing (or intended to do) something illegal to the child, he'd be within his rights to make the recording.

        It seems to me that a decent lawyer could rip this case to bits even without going into the constitutionality of the law.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 27 Jun 2018 @ 4:39pm

    no parents?

    A disciplinary hearing of a minor without either parent present? Surely that's illegal?

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      R.H. (profile), 27 Jun 2018 @ 8:47pm

      Re: no parents?

      Not at all. I don't know if you've ever heard of the term "in loco parentis" but, it means that the school acts in the place of the parents/legal guardians while the child is at school. There are limits to this power but, it generally allows the school to act in the child's best interests as they see them.

      Asking where a student was during a scheduled detention period is well within that power although my school district would have probably just suspended the student pending a meeting with his or her parents (my district called that closing their classes since it doesn't become a three-day suspension unless they didn't bring a parent the next school day) at that point.

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        David, 27 Jun 2018 @ 9:59pm

        Re: Re: no parents?

        > it generally allows the school to act in the child's best interests as they see them.

        So they are in violation of in loco parentis, since they are not operating in the childs best interests, but their own.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 28 Jun 2018 @ 9:13pm

          Re: Re: Re: no parents?

          Send these higher than mightier prosecutors to bootcamp for 15 weeks to get a clearer view of reality.

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        Toom1275 (profile), 29 Jun 2018 @ 5:00pm

        Re: Re: no parents?

        in loco parentis

        With extra emphasis on loco.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 28 Jun 2018 @ 8:58pm

    Ulterior Motives

    I can't help but think the real reason why the prosecutor is bringing this is the same reason they have kept trying to abuse wiretapping laws - they are dirty as hell and they know anyone standing up to corruption means their ass could join their past governors in jail.

    I'd love it if the FBI got involved and investigated them. Maybe go after their families too if they were involved in laundering bribes.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 28 Jun 2018 @ 9:06pm

    These fucknuts are destroying kiddds lives and destroying this country. Its time to boycott this detached court system.

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  • identicon
    Daniel Rudd, 20 Jul 2018 @ 4:16pm

    No expectation of Privacy

    How can anyone claim an expectation of privacy in a three-person meeting?

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    Arrow J Smith, 12 Aug 2018 @ 5:44pm

    School is Trouble and Scared to be recorded

    The school has huge issues and afraid of getting in trouble with their threats to students. Nothing to be afraid of if you are doing your job right. The school is a communist bed of sin.

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    Arrow J Smith, 12 Aug 2018 @ 5:49pm

    Cowards at Manteno Middle School

    Manteno Middle School is lost in truth and scared the recordings will be damning to the two idiots crying about it. If you are doing your job right and not threating children you would be OK. The two administrators are cowards and it shows. Our schools are lead by lack of leadership and ethics. Parents should have been at school. Two adults and one child I think not.

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