Hong Kong's Top Cop Wants To Make It Illegal To Insult Police Officers

from the watch-your-mouths,-plebes dept

The Blue Lives Matter movement has traveled overseas. Here in the US, we've seen various attempts to criminalize sassing cops, although none of those appear to be working quite as well as those already protected by a raft of extra rights would like. Meanwhile, we had Spain lining itself up for police statesmanship by making it a criminal offense to disrespect police officers.

Over in Hong Kong, the police chief -- while still debating whether or not he should offer an apology for his officers' beating of bystanders during a 2014 pro-democracy protest -- has thrown his weight behind criminalization of insults directed at officers.

Hong Kong’s police commissioner said he would support a law to make insulting officers on duty a crime on Tuesday, in what appeared to be a move to placate the city’s police union.

Stephen Lo Wai-chung said an increasing number of disputes in the city was a reason a law was needed – an apparent reversal from his stance a year ago.

“Over the past few years, our officers have been carrying out duties in a society that full of disputes. They caught in the middle in many circumstances. They were insulted in certain extents at work with their jobs sometimes disrupted,” Lo told reporters as he announced last year’s crime statistics, adding that the force had overcome “several big challenges” in recent years.

Disrupting officers is already a criminal offense. It's the sort of thing that's illegal everywhere. But disruption of official duties needs to be far more than derogatory remarks. If insults hurled at officers are preventing them from doing their jobs, the police chief doesn't need new legislation. He needs new officers.

This change in stance can be traced back to Hong Kong's largest police union. The Junior Police Officers Association, which represents two-thirds of Hong Kong's police force, thinks officers need to be better protected from certain arrangements of letters.

This legislative push also comes with plenty of hypocrisy. As South China Morning Post editor Luisa Tam points out, officers regularly use "insulting" language and profanity when dealing with citizens.

Police officers are notorious for swearing anyway, so it does look a bit out of character for the police chief to push for a ban and punish the public for swearing at them.

This aligns the Hong Kong police chief with many other law enforcement officials who believe respect is something that can be demanded rather than earned.


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  • icon
    Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 5:46pm

    Get what you give

    That 'authoritay' folks fail to understand that in order to get respect, one needs to give respect, is not surprising. From their perspective, everyone is under their thumb...or should be.

    When looking down your nose at everyone, and expecting that they don't look down theirs back at you seems to simulate the act of some long necked birds. Sticking one's head in the sand.

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      That One Guy (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 6:48pm

      Re: Get what you give

      Oiy, we do not insult ostriches by comparing them to police here at TD. That was extremely uncalled for, and you owe those poor birds an apology.

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        Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 7:59pm

        Re: Re: Get what you give

        I was thinking of Emu's. I would never disparage ostriches, even if they do hide their heads in the sand. Aren't they graceful?

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          That One Guy (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 8:43pm

          Re: Re: Re: Get what you give

          That's not really any better. Not only do emu's likewise not deserve the treatment, they are skilled guerrilla combatants, able to triumph over even machine-gun wielding foes.

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            Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 3 Feb 2018 @ 7:27am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Get what you give

            Hmm. From that Wikipedia article 20,000 Emu's and they sent Two Lewis guns with 10,000 rounds of ammunition. Sounds like typical closed minded government perspective, sorta like this police chief.

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    That One Guy (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 7:00pm

    Laughably weak AND hypocrites, good combo

    Police officers are notorious for swearing anyway, so it does look a bit out of character for the police chief to push for a ban and punish the public for swearing at them.

    Out of character? Not at all, seems to be standard badge-bearing hypocrisy to me, which apparently applies no matter the country. 'I can do it to you, but you can't do it to me'.

    If you can't handle people saying mean things to you you are in no way qualified to hold a job that involves regularly interacting with the public. In addition, if they can't handle harsh language(while still being quite happy to dish it out apparently), then they most certainly can't handle someone with actual violent intent, so they need to quit and let other, actually qualified people step in to take their place.

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      Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 8:01pm

      Re: Laughably weak AND hypocrites, good combo

      "If you can't handle people saying mean things to you you are in no way qualified to hold a job that involves regularly interacting with the public."

      A lesson Trump should have learned before becoming a public figure.

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      • identicon
        Peter, 3 Feb 2018 @ 12:56pm

        Re: Re: Laughably weak AND hypocrites, good combo

        Can we have just one story where Trump is not brought up to score some political point that I don't understand or give a shit about?

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          PaulT (profile), 5 Feb 2018 @ 1:07am

          Re: Re: Re: Laughably weak AND hypocrites, good combo

          Why does the comments section on stories have to comply with what you personally understand or find relevant? What makes your opinions greater than those of other people?

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Feb 2018 @ 3:22am

      Re: Laughably weak AND hypocrites, good combo

      "If you can't handle people saying mean things to you you are in no way qualified to..." carry weapons, e.g., electrical, chemical, impact, knives, and firearms, especially firearms.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 Feb 2018 @ 5:49pm

      Re: Laughably weak AND hypocrites, good combo

      Sadly there seems to be an absurd human tendency with power and accountability - people expecting less from those with more status instead of more. This isn't even 'Can get away with more because of better lawyers' but flat out letting them get away with serious misconduct someone with lesser status would be crucified for.

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    Pixelation, 2 Feb 2018 @ 9:16pm

    The NYPD is watching...

    and wishing.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Feb 2018 @ 10:50pm

    Something about the way this article is written makes me think TD fundamentally misunderstands how China works. Yes, Hong Kong has a history of being a liberal democratic and relatively free territory, but that is changing.

    Here in the west we like to maintain an illusion that authorities operate under some level of restraint and even if they occasionally behave like jackbooted thugs there is a common understanding that they should not. In China, rights come out of wallets, not out of courtrooms.

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      trj, 3 Feb 2018 @ 7:10am

      Re: Restrained Authority ?

      ...yeah, Asian culture has a different view of authority.

      But the government-authority problem is universal because of the basic power-corrupts principle. Nobody likes criticism and most everyone likes to avoid/reduce it if possible. Police generally have substantial discretionary power and use it to deflect criticism. American police departments are notorious for ignoring citizen complaints ... and police departments/unions are quick to publicly attack any significant critics. American media generally and automatically gives great respect and credibility to any statements/opinions by police. (that's a cultural thing too)

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      Anonymous Coward, 5 Feb 2018 @ 4:17pm

      Re:

      More likely it comes from the party. I remember from a previous clash in an "autonomous region", how the party said "You cannot elect anyone who doesn't love China." after a more liberal candidate was discarded.
      Things all over China work by having locally elected governors and keeping them in perpetual negotiations with a representative from the party.

      That is the way things work. While that system is a corruption-machine, the communist party fears the people, more than they care about corruption. That is why the anti-corruption measures won't have that much impact on the systematic part of the corruption.

      Particularly in Uighur and Tibet, the governors are brutally oppressive because of the fear of the people. Most western politicians would faint in awe of the incredible technological 1984-esque grid-surveillance and re-education programs going on there.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 2 Feb 2018 @ 11:59pm

    Christ, what an asshole.

    We are special little snowflakes who can't handle people calling us the same names we call them.
    We need extra special ways to remind them we are not their protectors, we are their betters.
    It isn't enough we can beat people & delay apologies over 4 years, we need to extract more from you.

    If someone calling you an asshole reduces you to a blubbering mass no longer able to police, you might be in the wrong fscking job.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Feb 2018 @ 10:42am

    Like Hong kong (i.e. chinese) cops don't just drag people into dark alleyways and shoot them in the head because they have money / jewellery / expensive phones.

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    Pixelation, 3 Feb 2018 @ 6:10pm

    Perhaps...

    If the police want special protection, they need to be willing to be held to a higher standard. Unfortunately, history tells us they will abuse their power and can't be trusted.

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      David, 4 Feb 2018 @ 11:51am

      Re: Perhaps...

      To be fair, history tells us any privileged class will abuse their power and can't be trusted.

      Which is why the Scandinavian approach to making crime not worth it (by guaranteeing minimum life standards that beat living in fear of getting caught) has the additional benefit of not making a police force desirable that is armed to the teeth and ready to kill at the drop of a hat.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Feb 2018 @ 2:55pm

    In response, Hongkongers want to stop police from abusing authority.

    More news at 19:84.

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  • identicon
    me, 5 Feb 2018 @ 8:55am

    to this Top Cop

    FUCK YOU Badge Monkey

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    Matthew A. Sawtell, 6 Feb 2018 @ 9:37am

    Slowly, but surely 2037 looms ever closer...

    ... so hearing things like this happening in this particular SAR is not surprising. If nothing else, stories like this may be on the increase.

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