Atlus Loosens Streaming Restrictions For Persona 5, Still Has In-Game Checkpoints For Streaming Rules

from the not-good-enough dept

Recently, we discussed an odd post by the American division of Atlus, the company behind the recently released game Persona 5. The post basically outlined restrictions on streaming the game in the popular "let's play" format. Those restrictions were pretty clearly geared towards keeping spoilers for the game's stories off of the internet, with indications that discussing or streaming game content that occur after an in-game date was verbotten. The post was also couched in threats for DMCA notices, which is odd because spoilers aren't what copyright law was designed to combat. The public backlash was fairly uniform, with Atlus coming out not looking particularly good as a result.

It took a while, but Atlus has finally responded. While it positions this response as a loosening of the restrictions on streaming, it still keeps all of the worst aspects of the original restrictions in place.

On Tuesday Atlus announced that they will allow players to stream or post videos from up until the in-game date of November 19, just before the story's final act. The post wrote it was in response to "numerous reactive news articles," opinion videos and "many emails" asking them to loosen the restrictions.

"We also want to apologize to those of you who saw the previous guidelines as threatening," Atlus wrote. "It was never our intention to threaten people with copyright strikes, but we clearly chose the wrong tone for how to communicate this."

That last bit is more than laughable. Here is the original text that from the first set of restrictions that caused concern among streamers that they would be hit with copyright strikes.

This being a Japanese title with a single-playthrough story means our masters in Japan are very wary about it. Sharing is currently blocked through the native PS4 UI. However, if you do plan on streaming, video guidelines above apply except length. If you decide to stream past 7/7 (I HIGHLY RECOMMEND NOT DOING THIS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED), you do so at the risk of being issued a content ID claim or worse, a channel strike/account suspension.

That seems pretty clearly to be a threat of copyright or DMCA notices if the rules aren't followed. As for the loosening of the restrictions on streaming, Atlus essentially just pushed back the in-game checkpoint in the rules. Instead of prohibitions on streaming content beginning at the in-game date of 7/7, it now begins at 11/19. And if that following sentence doesn't read as purely absurd to you, then you need some help getting your mind calibrated.

There is value in having fans stream games in let's play videos. This has been demonstrated repeatedly. Either Atlus buys into that or it doesn't. Straddling the line in the name of saving fans from spoilers, even after it has moved that line, isn't good enough. Restrict streaming. Or don't. Pick a lane, in other words, rather than trying to build guidelines based on in-game dates. That simply makes no sense.

Filed Under: copyright, persona 5, spoilers, streaming
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  1. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2017 @ 8:06pm

    I'm rather torn about this.

    On one hand, I want to refuse to buy the game out of spite for Atlus's terrible streaming policy.

    On the other hand, i want to buy the game just to stream past the forbidden point out of spite for Atlus's terrible streaming policy.

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    That One Guy (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 9:25pm

    A harmless misunderstanding I'm sure

    "We also want to apologize to those of you who saw the previous guidelines as threatening," Atlus wrote. "It was never our intention to threaten people with copyright strikes, but we clearly chose the wrong tone for how to communicate this."

    Sure, absolutely, just like that friendly gentleman talking about what a lovely store you've got there, be a shame if something were to happen to it isn't making a threat, just passing along a friendly bit of advice.

    The threat was bad enough, but lying about it by trying to spin it as a 'misunderstanding' caused by the 'tone' they used is adding insult to injury. Not only is it grossly dishonest, but it's insulting to boot as they're basically saying that their customers are too stupid to recognize a threat when it's shoved right in their faces.

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    MrTroy (profile), 4 May 2017 @ 10:23pm

    Re: A harmless misunderstanding I'm sure

    Maybe it's just a slightly different take on the truth?

    "It was never our intention to threaten people with copyright strikes, our masters in Japan made us do it, and we clearly chose the wrong tone for how to communicate this."

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    Typos, 4 May 2017 @ 11:43pm

    As for the loosening of the restrictions on streaming, Altus(1) essentially just pushed back the in-game checkpoint in the rules. Instead of prohibitions on streaming content beginning at the in-game date of 7/7, it now begins at 10/19(2).

    (1) - Atlus

    (2) - 11/19

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    Dark Helmet (profile), 5 May 2017 @ 6:08am

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    Dark Helmet (profile), 5 May 2017 @ 6:09am

    Re:

    Blech, thank you, the post has been corrected. Being in charge of two tiny human beings is apparently catching up to me....

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    Mason Wheeler (profile), 5 May 2017 @ 8:33am

    The post was also couched in threats for DMCA notices, which is completely expected, because extralegal, extrajudicial control and coercion is precisely what the DMCA was designed to enable.

    Fixed that for you...

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    Aaron Walkhouse (profile), 5 May 2017 @ 1:35pm

    Apparently you still don't see who's giving the orders there. ‌ ;]

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    Jigsy, 6 May 2017 @ 6:12am

    I actually wanted to buy this game, but their "We plan to DMCA anyone who streams the game 'cause we need to protect people from spoilers for a game that's been out for six months in Japan anyway" was what made me not.

    If you plan to treat your customers like shit, don't expect to get any money.

    At least that money will be going to other games like Blue Reflection and Yakuza Kiwami.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 May 2017 @ 3:03pm

    Re:

    that's pathetic reasoning as to why you wouldn't buy a worthwhile game.

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