Should A Court Allow A Case To Disappear Entirely Because The Person Regrets Filing It?
from the public-records dept
We write about lots of nutty court cases around here, and semi-frequently, parties engaged in those lawsuits aren’t always happy about our coverage. Not too long ago, we received a series of emails and phone calls and more from an individual who was involved in some lawsuits that we covered. Without providing too many details at all, the individual in question made a pretty straightforward case that he or she absolutely regretted filing the lawsuits, and provided some additional information about why it had happened, while also noting that the Google searches on this person’s name were now linking to the few news stories that covered the lawsuit, including the court documents that we had posted. It was explained that these search results were making life difficult for this person who was trying to get his or her life back on track and believed that Google searches on the name were making it harder to find a job.
The story was compelling, and we were asked to remove our post as well as the links to the documents, something that we won’t do. However, there was one intriguing bit to the communication, telling us that the court in question had “sealed the case” and asking us to respect that decision. That seemed odd to us. We’ve certainly seen filings sealed. And even some instances where almost all of the details in a docket were done under seal, but the case would still exist. Usually, though, those were cases involving at least a semi-plausible claim of national security. This was a case where someone just regretted filing questionable lawsuits (for a good reason). Even more amazing, after searching through PACER, it appeared that the judge in question did not just seal documents in the case, but made the entire case disappear. This happened for at least three cases. They do not exist in the court’s electronic records system at all. It is as if the cases never happened at all.
This is not how the system is supposed to work. Public records are public records.
Through a lawyer, we reached out to the court directly to see if we could understand the decision to disappear the cases. An initial response was that it was done under local court rules. But when it was pointed out that the rules only allow for the sealing of certain documents, not the existence of the entire case, the court told us that it would answer no further questions because of the sealed nature of the case.
At this point, I’m somewhat stymied. Again, the individual in question has made a very credible case that the existence of these records is making it difficult for the person to move forward in life, and they truly regret the filings. They also have presented credible reasons for why the decision was made to file the cases in the first place. I honestly have no wish to further trouble this individual. I also will not delete our original post or the documents in question, because that, too, feels wrong. But we will not tell you who it is, and if you try to guess, you’re probably wrong.
But… I’m still quite concerned about a court totally disappearing public records. I know of the three specific cases involving this one individual that have disappeared from the docket. But I have no idea if this is a standard practice of the court, and if it’s made other cases disappear as well, without any public notice or explanation. The court says that it waited two weeks before sealing the dockets, in case anyone objected, but we had no way to know that this was even a possibility since it involved cases from a while back that we no longer follow. Some have suggested that we could go to court over this — and there is precedent supporting our position, such as Company Doe v. Public Citizen. But, at least that case felt like one worth fighting for. I have little interest in dragging this particular individual back through a court process.
But, at the same time, I’m quite concerned about the idea that courts may be magically making dockets disappear, and know of no way to find out how often this practice is happening. Thus, I’m posting this, in part, to see what our readers think, and if there are other options out there on how to deal with these kinds of situations. I recognize that some will argue that we should reveal the specifics here, and that whoever filed the cases should live with that decision. And I’m sympathetic to that argument, but there are times when other arguments can make sense as well. So for this post, we will not be sharing that info. If we come across other such cases where the details are different, the calculus may be different as well.
Filed Under: dockets, pacer, public records, sealed cases
Comments on “Should A Court Allow A Case To Disappear Entirely Because The Person Regrets Filing It?”
The problem is, you know the court has violated the law in this case. You can’t hope to be contacted by another plaintiff who got their case disappeared who is less sympathetic so you can address this problem. Inaction will lead to more problems.
Re: disappearing judicial cases
What about being contacted by defendants (like me) who were all set to be plaintiffs against a judicially-linked gang whose fiscal crimes would have been exposed as an indirect outcome of my complaint. However this complaint against them was pre-empted by such a dirty complaint and procedure against me, that the whole case against me now seems to have disappeared. Even the official investigations of my complaints against judicial police conduct during the case appear never to have taken place in reality, although there was the clear written pretence during the case against me that they had taken place ! Ten consecutive defence lawyers were “nobbled” not to defend me as required, so as not to uncover this status during the procedure.
Internet Archive to the rescue!
Is this particular court case on RECAP? Would be interesting to know if that would catch it. May be able to do some interesting DB sleuthing (comparing RECAP to PACER for discrepancies).
Hard cases make bad law
This is a hard case. You feel the plaintiff here is sympathetic (and I’ll have to take your word on that), and in this particular instance you seem to have no appetite for dragging the plaintiff in question back into the open.
But hard cases make bad law. We cannot expect every “disappeared” case to involve a sympathetic plaintiff. Imagine if the likes of Malibu or Prenda were allowed to disappear old cases from court history. And we cannot know, presently, if cases have been completely removed from public view.
This cannot be allowed to stand. It sucks for this particular plaintiff, and I’m very sorry that the consequences of their actions may put them in more difficulty than we feel they deserve. (Karma can be a real bitch that way.) But we absolutely cannot allow courts to disappear cases from public view. It would threaten (or further destroy) our trust in an open and fair rule of law. Once you disappear one case, what stops you from doing so for other reasons?
Re: Hard cases make bad law
I can understand sealing the case file. However the government can’t and shouldn’t disappear completely the case.
Re: Hard cases make bad law
If the law is not supposed to be hard, why do lawyers get paid so much?
Re: Re: Hard cases make bad law
Because the Lawyers have made the law hard and complex, so that they can offer people the chance of the outcome they want, at a price.
I find it very problematic because if you can delete one case then you can delete anything. It’s precisely why there are so many restraints against the Government. It can and will be abused by Governments composed of totalitarian assholes.
A simply public apology and media coverage over it should be the path to take. You can’t make people unhear you if you said something mean in the past that you regret so why should we be removing records that are akin to it? Are we planning to make people unhear and unmemorize it too? (Pardon for the neologisms).
I can sympathize with the person. It is unfortunate that our current society has this dreadful tendency of judging you for errors of the past that have been punished as if an individual is static overtime and doesn’t change or evolve. Sure there are those types but they will keep erring so there will be a huge trail of errors, not sparse ones. Taking Prenda as an example, they did something wrong and kept insisting in the errors so it’s not like they can say they regret something and it’s all ok, there’s a trail of ‘blood’ behind them so they would need to actually make an effort to prove they changed.
So summarizing: terrible idea.
Unreasonable request
I don’t know why Techdirt is complying with the wishes of this person. If s/he filed a lawsuit without merit, and now regrets it, s/he can’t just say ‘sorry’ and have the past erased. Frivolous lawsuits cost the defendant emotional and financial harm. Any request by this person to erase their mistakes should only be honored if they have provided restitution to the victim. I very much doubt that has happened.
Until restitution is paid, I say crack open the case and post a new story.
Re: Unreasonable request
Translation:
The individual regrets it now that they lost the case and their malice is having an impact on their own life. Would they regret it if they had won? I think not.
Re: Unreasonable request
I don’t know why Techdirt is complying with the wishes of this person. If s/he filed a lawsuit without merit, and now regrets it, s/he can’t just say ‘sorry’ and have the past erased.
Let’s just say it goes beyond just “I regret it now.” It’s not as simple as someone feeling bad about filing some bad cases. There was more to it.
Re: Re: Unreasonable request
Did the plaintiff pay every penny of the defendant’s costs? If not, then I have zero sympathy for the plaintiff.
Re: Re: Unreasonable request
Hmmm.. Mike, it seems people are focusing on the person and the case instead of the real issue here.. I wonder if you wrote about this as an hypothesis? Would it generate these clueless comments?
People are also confusing the court making it disappear (the Government) with a blog doing it out of mercy or something (TD). It’s actually fascinating to watch the reactions.
Re: Unreasonable request
Techdirt never said it WAS complying with the wishes of this person.
But… they are also not calling attention to which post it was, which case(s) it was.
Even removing an article (or Youtube video, or …) invokes the Streisand effect, a not insignificant reason to NOT take the article down at this point.
Re: Unreasonable request
“I don’t know why Techdirt is complying with the wishes of this person.”
This article twice states they are not complying with the request to remove the old stories.
“Any request by this person to erase their mistakes should only be honored if they have provided restitution to the victim.”
Given Mike’s extremely low tolerance of requests to delete relevant truthful info, if the circumstances of this case have led him to decide not to further publicize this person (but not remove the story) then I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Sounds like bribery or political connections have really worked out for someone. You, a journalist, know who. What do you do at this point?
“Without providing too many details at all, the individual in question made a pretty straightforward case that he or she absolutely regretted filing the lawsuits, and provided some additional information about why it had happened, while also noting that the Google searches on this person’s name were now linking to the few news stories that covered the lawsuit, including the court documents that we had posted.”
Well ain’t life a bitch. Sometimes… you just have to live with the poor decisions you have made in life.
Boo fuking hoo.
Seems it is as easy to sway TD as it was to sway the courts. Slippery slope Mike… slippery slope. Why even post this at all? Now you leave yourself open to these kinds of requests in the future.
WhateverboB is going to have a field day with this one. Can’t say I’d blame him either.
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Well ain’t life a bitch. Sometimes… you just have to live with the poor decisions you have made in life.
What if it could be argued that it wasn’t necessarily this person’s “decision,” yet they would pay the price for it.
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Coulda, shoulda, woulda. Hard to make an informed decision without all the details, hence is why I asked why even write this? Its a non-news news story. Somebody did something somewhere with maybe some justification to file court proceedings. We wrote about it before but we’re not going to tell you where what or when. Look at this from the readers stand point.
Hey I love a good guessing game and I am sure it would not be too hard to find it either. Could start out with a search of PACER on TD, then narrow the field. It’s kinda like DRM no? Personally I don’t really care to find it but I am sure it would not be too hard.
Either it’s newsworthy or it’s not.
“So for this post, we will not be sharing that info.”
Then why post it at all?
Again, without all the details it’s hard to say.
“Thus, I’m posting this, in part, to see what our readers think”
I think the disappearing of court cases is deplorable and we have to ask how far are they willing to go in approving this kind of censorship and for whom does it apply.
Hey maybe there are great reasons this person wanted this to disappear. Given your stance on this kind of behavior I do give you the benefit of doubt and conclude it MUST be one damn good reason. If I were just coming to TD today though…
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As if TD never wrote some article that’s not news but rather a discussion of topics. Pay a little more attention. The person or the case that disappeared do not matter, what matters is the very fact that a case was ‘allowed’ to disappear.
You seem to be confused here.
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I recall a case, last year sometime, when the party was ordered to initiate a civil action against an 8 year old by their insurance company.
Without the lawsuit, the insurance company refused to pay out on a medical claim.
No idea if that’s this case, but it’s entirely possible to end up in a situation where you have to initiate a civil action against someone, even a particularly detestable civil action. But, not really have a choice, short of bankrupting youself.
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Sure there’s a choice: sue the insurance company and insist on a jury trial. Even the worst of lawyers should have no trouble convincing 12 Americans that something incredibly sleazy is going on there!
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In searching to find the case Starke referenced, I discovered that’s not how it works. Often you have to sue the child, and win, to get the child’s parent’s home owners insurance to cover the claim. (If it happened at their home.) And if you win, it’s the insurance company that has to pay the judgement, not the child’s parents.
This seems all kinds of fucked up, but it’s not too surprising. Insurance companies can be pretty scummy. I wouldn’t be surprised if they require this at times in the hopes the injured party won’t be willing to file the lawsuit. After all, that saves the insurance company money.
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What if it could be argued that it wasn’t necessarily this person’s “decision,” yet they would pay the price for it.
That situation, in itself, makes for a good outrage article topic.
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So, what you’re saying is that this person was wealthy enough to have their own lawyer, and the lawyer posted the lawsuit without real confirmation.
Or, worse, this person was a child, and their mother/father did the lawsuit at the time.
The latter, I think, is more likely given your general reaction. We’re looking at someone who had some attempt at a horrendous lawsuit done in their name when they were underage.
That is pretty fucked up.
This sets a bad precedent
I agree with the other posters that TD should make a case that court cases should not be removed or deleted from the public record. Again, if this person (or this court) can make one case disappear, what’s to stop any court from making any case disappear? It becomes too easy to use this case as a precedent to allow a judge to rule that their current case is close enough to this one and it can be deleted from the record.
Yes, the person might have a good reason to not want a court case to follow him or her, but that’s why cases are sealed. Okay, sure, the public records will still show that the case exists, but no one can get to the details.
Actions have consequences. If the plaintiff regrets filling **multiple cases** that’s great and I’d be all for Techdirt updating the original coverage with that information. But allowing all of the records to be disappeared down the memory hole, in violation of the courts own rules? Sorry, no. That must not be allowed to stand. Records of filling the case need to be preserved. Today’s successfully compelling regret could give way to lawsuits 4, 5 and 6, with opposing counsel illegally being deprived of being able to know if the prior cases.
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Court records shouldn’t be made to disappear, period.
As Ninja said earlier, say sorry and move on. Employers value people who can learn from their mistakes.
No doubt searches of this individual’s name will bring up the stories in the various media outlets, as reported in the article. How will Deeply Regretful Honest I. Am get them to vanish, too?
I doubt that making the case itself go away will shift the other references to it.
Betteridge's law of headlines
“Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.”
Regret?
How far did that regret go? Did it go as far as paying all the defendant’s costs? If not, then the regret was only self-interest disguised as regret.
> what our readers think.
“We’ll use the court to bankrupt you and ruin your life, then make all the filings unhappen and we’ll not only be completely innocent of that, there won’t even be a paper trail connecting us to it.
Fortunarely courts are bastions of integrity and there’s *no way* such a thing could happen in real life…
As much as I try to understand the decision not to report the person’s name, I’ve a more troubling feeling this situation is just another example of a growing problem this country is plagued with.
Let me be clear on this: the person who sent the letter, all intentions for the better, abused the court system twice: the first was filing for selfish reasons and the second was making it disappear.
By refusing to release the name is a nice gesture for the regrettable filing.
By refusing the release the name after finding out the case was removed from public record is a disservice to the public.
Had the person not written Techdirt, would the missing case ever been discovered if Techdirt’s journalism hadn’t fact checked?
I’ll respect Techdirt’s decision not to release the name, court, judge(s), and attorneys who violated America’s justice system, but realize I’m extremely disappointed by the decision.
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agree with vee…
AND IT guy who wrote about kind of pointless in that you make it hinge on this person is REALLY contrite, blah blah blah, difficult circumstances, blah blah blah, BUT, WE have no idea what those factoids are…
doesn’t seem like we should have to remind you that PLENTY of people who get crosswise with the legal system are REALLY contrite, and REALLY regret their actions, blah blah blah…
impossible to determine if this was a reasonable exception on techdirt’s part, or just capitulating to the same 1% attitude of ‘everyone else but me should have to follow the rules’ bullshit…
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Why? Techdirt has become complicit in protecting a court and its judges from the appropriate public disapproval.
Since we have very little chance of more directly influencing judicial behavior toward the good, it seems to me that cooperating with the bad behavior is itself a bad thing.
I will metaphorically fart in Mike’s general direction, if this decision is not reversed at least as to the court, judges, and case number.
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Techdirt has become complicit in protecting a court and its judges from the appropriate public disapproval.
If that was Mike’s objective he wouldn’t have written this article at all. He would have instead just kept quiet about it.
You’re just enabling the bad behaviour of the court.
If you can have secret courts, why can’t you have secret cases too?
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Secret courts are an obvious evil. For the same reason, secret cases so qualify; I have one of those pending now and to date the court does not appear sympathetic to my views.
What is wrong with it? Well, I agree with the court in R. v. Sussex Justices, 1924 K.B. 256,259 (K.B. 1924) that it is not enough for justice to be done, it must also be seen to be done. And if it is not seen, you can be fairly confident that ultimately it will not be done, for as Justice Brandeis said, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant, electric light the most efficient policeman.”
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If you can have secret courts, why can’t you have secret cases too?
There should be neither.
Without knowing much about the systems involved and what their usage terms are, would it be possible to maintain a docket index with data from Pacer?
A nightly update of this index and an occasional sync of old items would allow one to determine when cases have “disappeared.”
As an IT guy I can say that technically this wouldn’t be that hard. The limiting factors center around allowed usage of the data from these systems.
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I want to look into this too. I’m happy TD isn’t going to remove the original posts. I’m conflicted about the lack of information about the case but I understand TD not wanting to pull the trigger on that.
However, this cannot stand. Now that this is happening, we need to work around it. I’m a developer and IT guy too, we can’t let judges get away with it. Removing cases from PACER is insane.
right to be forgotten then
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wanted to add you sound surprised how corrupt the judicial system has become despite the constant daily evidence about said corruption.
If they have done it for this guy, they have done it before
This court cannot be allowed to make cases disappear. There is no way this is a one off. This court and all others that have done the same thing have to be punished. Public records are public, not just when its convenient.
Cases should not disappear, but could include an apology
I could entertain an argument that the plaintiff could, with approval and review by a judge, enter into the record an open letter to future readers. Taking the Techdirt post at face value, this person convinced the author that the case does not represent who that plaintiff is now and that, if the circumstances that led to the case arose again, the plaintiff would not file such a case again. Assuming that the plaintiff has reformed, being able to put a similar argument into the docket but not remove the original case would let the plaintiff make their case to any future readers. It is not as good for the plaintiff as making the case disappear, but it’s much better than leaving the case as-is with documents that, according to Techdirt, would place the plaintiff in a no-longer-deserved bad light.
Welcome to the 12st Century
This person is discovering that the new age is different from before. Surprise, surprise.
It used to be that the past was buried so deep that you had to have a deep interest or deep pockets to uncover obscure items. Today, every drunken action or hasty post will come back to haunt you, or worse, an innocent 3rd party.
Unfortunately, endowing the internet with the “right to be forgotten” brings up a whole new can of worms – who enforces it, who decides? You claim you think the person should have this right – but we haven’t seen the evidence, and based on the stories reported from Europe, the “right to be forgotten” does not always seem to be invoked by the relatively innocent and obscure, but by many who want a reset on embarrassing but telling data.
As for how this ruins their life- well, as others pointed out – you live with the choices you make (Tattoos are a good example). Eventually the world will come to learn that everyone has an embarrassing past and some things, especially older things, are not indicative of current life attitudes.
Two words: Star Chamber.
If you don’t know what this means, you’ve got other things in life to worry about.
If you do, that is literally all one has to say about this.
What is it they say, oh yes:
Act in haste and repent at leisure.
As a long time reader I generally agree with Techdirt keeping things online and open – you certainly receive a lot of ridiculous requests and threats from tons of people. It seems this person has swayed you with their story and sincerity; from what you said it sounds like this person withdrew the cases after realizing filing was a mistake.
Now Techdirt often writes about Europe’s overreach with the right to be forgotten, but there’s at least a kernel of truth or permanent mistake magnification with google results these days. If you feel sympathetic to this person, it’s totally within your discretion to delist the post from google results. You still keep the content and discussion online, but help the person recover from an acknowledged mistake. It’s not a violation of principles to voluntarily exercise a little mercy.
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That. A million times that. It’s not mandated by the Government, it’s humans showing humanity.
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I agree, however as near as I can tell from this post, TD has NOT delisted anything. All they have done is refused to remove the posts, and raised the question of how the document disappearance happened in PACER.
There are a lot of other comments suggesting TD has “given in” to requests and I just don’t see it here. They’ve raised the question about PACER but chosen not to give the initial case at this time.
It seems to me that this could be abused to violate double jeopardy. Consider this scenario. Plaintiff looses, and the case “disappears” without any record. What is to stop the Plaintiff from filing the exact lawsuit again, ad nauseam until the desired judicial ruling is obtained?
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Especially in a different district. How would they know?
In fact, this may be the plan.
Re: Double Jeopardy
Would double jeopardy even apply here? Isn’t it about the govt’s ability to try someone more than once for the same crime? There doesn’t seem to be any constriction on private citizens’ ability to continue suing someone over and over, if some of the cases here on TD are any indication.
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A couple of things would prevent this. First, there’s most likely a statute of limitations as to the original claim. Second, in your scenario, the plaintiff is bringing a case against the same defendant, and the defendant remembers what happened even if the record is sealed. Any decision in the first case would be res judicata as to the second; the defendant would simply move to have the case dismissed because it has already been decided in his favor. The record of the first case is sealed from public access, not removed from the face of the earth.
Also, I think you’re conflating criminal and civil law. “Double jeopardy” is a criminal law concept.
Nail the court, not the plaintiff
I grasp that in some ways, the former plaintiff wants to put it all behind him/her; that sort of thing needs to happen far more frequently than it does, and since the chance presented itself, the plaintiff was right to jump at it. [/opinion]
I grasp that TD wants to do the honorable thing, and accommodate the plaintiff as much as possible. [/more opinion]
By similar measure the court had no business – *at all* – allowing the entire case to disappear.
Maybe the correct response here might involve bringing the judge to the bar (of justice, not the other kind) to answer for $REASONS – as for example, prejudice to a party in the case because it was (reading between the lines) ex parte, or violation of local rule, or violation of established law, or controlling precedent. In this manner, you focus on the actions of the court, not the (former) plaintiff.
It’s a long shot I know, and I suspect your chances would likely hover between slim and none, but as far as I can tell, even some chance is better than none in a situation like this.
Unexpected problems of the modern age
50 years ago this wouldn’t have been an issue. Yes, there were public records but not everyone would have instant access to everyone else’s public history. Worst case, a person could move to a new city and start over.
We have entered a new era unlike any in history. Cliche, I know, but true. The only previous way that the whole world would know someone did something bad was if you branded them with a hot iron. Now every interaction with the law is instantly available on Google.
I worry that eventually there will be enough people who will vote to restrict public records access. The reason public court records were created was so that governments could not secretly arrest and convict someone without anyone knowing about it. Now, however, it is becoming a weapon to destroy peoples lives. Mistakes made years ago can never be avoided. 21st century branding.
Used to be the concept of “once your sentence is complete you had paid the price and were done” was how things were. Now, whatever mistakes you made are permanent, denying opportunities and making it hard to recover your life.
This is why “Right to be forgotten” laws are becoming popular. I worry that someday there will be enough people who will vote for these laws. There needs to be a middle ground somewhere that can avoid being “branded by Google” without destroying legitimate access to public records.
Re: Unexpected problems of the modern age
I have seen memes on Facebook to the effect that people are glad to have grown up before the internet was around to capture all of their stupidity. I count myself as one of them. But the all seeing, all knowing and never forgetting internet is here to stay. While I don’t worry too much about having something get out there that I regret, it does occur to me at times. There needs to be grace in this world so there should be some kind of balance. A kid could do something stupid today that could haunt him for life.
Re: Re: Unexpected problems of the modern age
I suspect the balance will come with time — eventually, the vast majority of people will have embarrassing things about them floating around the interwebs. When that point is reached, people won’t really care about the embarrassing things everyone has floating around the interwebs.
There are other ways of handling it, too. Personally, I’ve been active on the internet for so long — since before it was open to the public — that I have plenty of such embarrassing stuff. However, I also maintain multiple online identities so that I can have different identities for different sorts of activities. “John Fenderson” is one such identity.
This doesn’t give me anonymity since I’ve been maintaining these identities consistently for decades, and it wouldn’t take more than a day or two to figure out what they all are and what my legal identity is. Nonetheless, it does enhance my privacy in that most people don’t care enough to put in the effort.
My children and many of their friends routinely do very similar things, for very similar reasons. The kids today are working this stuff out. It’s us old farts that have a problem.
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It used to be sage-advice not to give out your real-name on the Internet. An old Interneter here as well. SLIP, Trumpet Winsock. One of my first experiences with the Internet was on Delphi (GVC) in Oct 25th 1992. See, A Brief History of The Internet at http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html
With reference to Walt’s and Delphi’s involvement.
Re: Unexpected problems of the modern age
The middle ground is society accept that people make mistakes and learn. there’s no other way.
Re: Re: Unexpected problems of the modern age
^This. A thousand times this. We are often much too lacking in understanding and compassion when someone does something ridiculous, as if we’ve never done anything ridiculous ourselves. That’s not true, we just didn’t get caught.
e.g., it could have gone down like ...
Having been a TD reader for many years now, and knowing its basic ethos, this must be a highly usual situation on specific facts. All we really know on this end is there were some federal lawsuits (PACER) that have now disappeared.
Yet, some commenters claim that the Regretful Plaintiff should pay for his acts regardless of the circumstances.
But … say this plaintiff went to an attorney, who was a terrible attorney, or an attorney with their own agenda. Say this attorney gave Plaintiff some terrible legal and tactical advice. Say it was all entirely meritless, and the Plaintiff was pushed into this thing by an overeager lawyer who wanted to take on everyone it could remotely attach to the apparent wrong. Say Plaintiff justifiably relied on the terrible advise of his lawyer. Say it all went bad and person left holding the bag and all the bad press was the Plaintiff. A plaintiff who just followed the advise of counsel.
This shit happens. There are lots of terrible attorneys (of course there are lots of good ones too). Should the plaintiff really have to be the patsy for the potential straw-man agenda of his bad lawyer?
That said, this is an extremely troubling development, especially considering there appears to be no practical way to determine the extent of the problem, or legal means used to attain it. Scary stuff, really.
Re: e.g., it could have gone down like ...
Having been a TD reader for many years now, and knowing its basic ethos, this must be a highly usual situation on specific facts.
Yes.
Re: Re: e.g., it could have gone down like ...
While I respect you, and trust you that this is a most unusual case, I’m bothered by the fact the court record was not only sealed but removed. Was this done at the request of the person who filed the lawsuits in question? If so, I don’t think they’ve learned anything, they’re still abusing the courts.
So maybe they’re only getting what they deserve.
Open courts & other people have copies, etc.
Open courts: That the activities within courtrooms can be seen and hopefully anyone seeking to have an event disappeared can’t silence everyone who saw what happened.
Other people have copies of the documents: Surely the defendant(s) and their attorneys have copies of the documents.
Newspaper reports: And by this i mean print newspapers. They would be damn hard to suppress.
Open courts & other people have copies, etc.
Open courts: That the activities within courtrooms can be seen and hopefully anyone seeking to have an event disappeared can’t silence everyone who saw what happened.
Other people have copies of the documents: Surely the defendant(s) and their attorneys have copies of the documents.
Newspaper reports: And by this i mean print newspapers. They would be damn hard to suppress.
Sorry for the anonymous post. TechDirt keeps logging me out unexpectedly.
Surprised
I can’t believe you would shield Donald Trump!
File in haste…
Regret in leisure.
Missing Cases Cast Shadow on Jail Informants Investigation
Here in Orange County Calif, we’ve also had disappeared court case records in the ongoing scandal involving the OC District Attorney’s office and the Sherriff’s department.
The court cases of the informants who secretly worked with the authorities have been removed from the computerized system that tracks them. Not just the case records, but also the case numbers have been removed from the court case index.
This, of course, eliminates the possibility of convicts gathering evidence showing their convictions or sentences were obtained illegally.
I believe there are about a hundred judges in the main courthouse, but there is no way to know which judge issued the secret order to effect this cover up.
Since many/most of the judges had prior positions working for the District Attorney this smacks of corruption, the same sort of thing as the police seizing cellphones and video cam recordings and disappearing them.
Call me disgusted. There oughtta be a law….
http://voiceofoc.org/2015/12/missing-cases-cast-shadow-on-jail-informants-investigation/
Re: Missing Cases Cast Shadow on Jail Informants Investigation
See also “Discovering secret dockets”.
Cases that have been fully disappeared are not new. The trouble is that there is no transparency advocate to provide oversight. And if there was, there is no way to guarantee that said advocate would not become captured by the system.
Who watches the watchers?
This should really be fought.
Yes, it will truly suck for this individual for these cases to be brought back up into news by trying to fight this. However, if courts can “Disappear” cases for reasonable, “deserving” people, what’s to stop course from disappearing cases for the unreasonable, corrupt and undeserving?
The fact that this was attempted needs to be blown up and fought. I actually do have some empathy towards the individual that you appear to consider deserving. But this behaviour should not be applowed or condoned. And you would be condoning it to have the knowledge, and ability to open a case; but fail to do so.
I think I trust Mike enough to believe that the circumstances were such that he felt justified in hiding this individual’s identity.
That being said, could we prevent cases like this from disappearing in the future by making a nightly record of the cases on a third-party site and occasionally syncing the new records with the old?
This would be very easy to set up, assuming it’s legal and the information is easily available to a script.
Holy kafkaesque articles batman. If you want to hide the original article, you could at least do us the courtesy of not bragging about hiding the original article and neener neenering us because we don’t know what you are talking about and you won’t tell us.
Too much absolutism
I’m a bit concerned about the absolutism displayed here in the comments. People make mistakes. I think it’s extremely unjust to completely and forever condemn someone for a mistake that has been attempted to be rectified. Having compassion for one side of the situation is one thing, they are perceived as a victim (and were most likely). However, some of y’all need to learn to have some compassion and forgiveness in your lives for people who admit to a mistake and tries to clean up the mess (even ineffectively).
You’ll wind up being a happier person in the long run I think.
Re: Too much absolutism
The wrongdoing here is the cover up. It’s hard to call it a mistake while it’s still in process.
Fact is, there is no undo button for life. A mistake can easily be forgiven, even forgotten. Trying to erase records is in no way taking responsibility it is just compounding wrong on top of wrong.
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Didn’t some Persian poet point this out in a quatrain somewhere, something about a moving finger..
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Well. You know what? Actions have consequences. People here feel bad about this person. But what about the defendant? The defendant also have a right. What if the defendant wants to appeal or file a counter suit?
I don’t see it your way. My case files are disappearing and I have rights too. What about my life and how that lawsuit affected me?
All you have to do is say boo hoo hoo and poof the case disappears. Seems to me this person needs to accept the responsibility of his/her actions.
There are other people involve in the lawsuit and they matter too.
Only if he filed the case against himself.
wait a Minute.......
Is this about Mrs Bill Clinton regretting her “personal” server.
So it’s OK Mike, you can say her name. 😉
I don't like absolutes
Man. I am really torn here. I don’t like absolutes that leave no discretion. It leads to insanely stupid execution of policies.
The classic example is the zero tolerance of drugs/weapons policy in schools that cause them to blow misunderstandings and mistakes out of proportion. Or the mandatory sentencing laws that force judges that hand out sentences that don’t come close to matching the circumstances of the case.
We have to trust judges. If a judge felt that this case was enough of a mistake that it should not appear in the records, then I feel he needs to have the discretion to purge it.
What should be examined here is the process that is used to purge this case. Was the defendant notified? Was he/she allowed to contest the judge’s decision? If all three parties are cool with it, then let them do it.
I think a good balance would be:
(a) Approval of defendants
(b) Automatic review of decision by that judges superiors
Re: I don't like absolutes
Let me add. I really don’t think that any judge is going to let plaintiffs do this very often. After all, they wasted the courts time too. So he/she must have done a damn good job convincing a judge of the merits of his/her argument.
Perhaps the courts were just jealous of the other secret courts that are unanswerable to anyone.
Leave the page, but mark it 'noindex' for search engines
This will cause it to fall off searches over time, but without completely disappearing it.
Much like the situation before the web when it was much harder to find old stuff (no Googling).
This is about public information
I can make no comment about the actual case and the compelling reasons that were given to make no further “publicity”
However the reasons that the law give to make these cases public remain the same. What if this case is resurrected? What if someone else is sued for the same “questionable” reasons, do they not have a right to investigate why this case was considered “questionable” . . . . and so on for a thousand different questions
For no other reason, this may be regrettable for him and there may be good reasons not to re-advertise the details in and of itself, but this is now not about the case itself, but that the system has disappeared this case altogether. That it has done so and the reasons it used to do so are most defiantly something to be investigated
The message from your readers seems clear
You were interested in what people thought and it seems clear. While unfortunate for this person, by contacting you they have alerted you to a very serious issue. One that most journalists would feel some duty to report on. An issue that has serious ramifications.
I don’t understand how you would report on this without providing the details. Reporters should provide enough facts that readers can do their own fact-checking if they feel it necessary. (This is not a national security case)
I have followed this site for many years. You and your writers do a great job of presenting stories and issues in a way that is understandable and you always provide the information I need to do my own follow-up if I suspect any bias.
You may not call yourself a reporter, but to many you are a Journalist. I empathize with your position. You did not ask to be in it. And It seems from your comments that you are really torn. But in a lot of reporting their are sympathetic actors who get the raw deal. It is not a great situation, but you do understand how serious this is. And I think it is obvious what you should do, even though it may be unpleasant.
And I believe you know it also.
Re: The message from your readers seems clear
You quickly forgot that this totalitarian court sealed the case. Techdirt would be violating that ruling by divulging case details.
Re: Re: The message from your readers seems clear
I believe that even sealed cases are still listed on the court dockets. You can find out the case number and the people involved. Now I understand national security cases seem to get a lot more hidden, but we still seem able to find out the cases exist. Don’t they usually just seal the depositions, court filings and the records from the trial?
Expungement
We do criminal expungementsexual all the time. I know this is a civil case, but how different is it really?
Right of Reply would be better than Right to Be Forgotten
I have suggested that Google, instead of honoring demands to be forgotten, offer the aggrieved party a Right of Reply page that would come up first in any search against him. He could use his page to point out which charges are false, which ones are trivial or dated, and which ones are made by kooks or dirtbags (with evidence to prove such characterizations).
Similarly, Techdirt could allow this guy to post updates and apologies (with Techdirt’s editorial endorsement) to Techdirt pages where this guy is mentioned.
Re: Right of Reply would be better than Right to Be Forgotten
“Techdirt could allow this guy to post updates and apologies”
Techdirt already does. Anyone can make a comment, and there have been times in the past when someone attached to the story adds their perspective or rebuttal by doing so. It’s pretty effective.
Re: Re: Right of Reply would be better than Right to Be Forgotten
Not every prospective employer reads down to the bottom of the comments page. In clearly meritorious cases, the TD editor might allow retractions and explanations to be flagged near the top of of a relevant entry.
This is bad on so many levels of bad that it needs new bad words to describe it.
Imagine the next level: Making a convicted person’s case vanish. Instant “unperson” in the Orwellian sense.
“Secrecy begets tyranny” has never been more true.
If a few cases have been “vanished” how many more are there that simply have left the building?
To me, this is as appalling as though we became a theocracy overnight or decided the Soviet system was a great idea and adapted it.
If this is in one place, how many more jurisdictions and at what levels is is occurring?
This scares me about as much as anything our apparently dying Republic has ever done.
Court cases get deleted all the time. There are statue of limitations on many stuff. Clerks/supervisors make errors in retaining files and data and poof, many cases are erased from the servers. I know of instances where a court was supposed to keep files for 75 years and poof they are gone due to clerical errors.
Only in America
..concerned about a court totally disappearing public records..
Totalitarian favoritism
Old but relevant
http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news-media-law/news-media-and-law-winter-2006/disappearing-dockets
has there been more recent rulings on the constitutionality of secret dockets. from this article, the 11th and 2nd circuit ruled against them.
The devil made me do it.
Disappointed in Techdirt
I have always been impressed with the quality of the reporting and the integrity of Techdirt, but I am disappointed in how this played out. I have been waiting, hoping that Mike would follow up and honor the reputation this site has built up.
If I have missed something in the reporting of this incident, please let me know, but as it stands it seems Mike is going to leave us hanging.
Told us he knows about this serious issue with our courts/government, but one of the actors got to him with a sob story about how sorry he is, so he’s not going to tell. I think this is terrible.
Yes, it is his site. He can do what he wants. Just pointing out that in the future I will have to be more skeptical of this site. How will I know if I am getting the full story, or just some spun one because he got a good “explanation” from someone.
It took a lot of work to build the journalistic reputation this site and Mike had. In my opinion, he threw it away.
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Mike,
I read just half of the story and I am’ getting the jibby jibbies. I have a divorce case pending for a final decree. I filed a complaint against my own attorney. It was a circus but making the story short. I had to become Pro Se after all the actions and inaction of the attorney and opposing while I was ill. Two files of my case have disappeared from their public online civil and criminal case searches.
I am not happy about it. I am no lawyer, the circumstances have placed me in this turmoil of Pro se. I don’t even know Latin. Right now I am a kindergartener motion learner.
I feel that at least one of these files would probably be important in case of an appeal. Am I not right?
So, how do I get them to put them back and file them again. Why would they even do that? What are the rule about this things. So, I can put it in the Pro Se motion.
Just to be honest: before I read the story here. I feared my entire case would disappear and thought I was loosing it and kept telling myself that was irrational. So, you can only imagine my reaction when I read this.
Am I even divorced? You have really flipped my reality.