As Republicans Turn Off House Live Feed, Reps & C-SPAN Turn To Periscope And Facebook Live Video To Cover Sit In

from the we-all-are-the-media dept

So something fascinating happened in Congress today. No matter what your opinion is on gun control or the various legislative proposals around it that have been up for debate in the past week or so, it's hard to fathom what Congressional Republicans thought they were doing today in shutting off the live video feed from the House floor. A bunch of Democrats decided to hold a sit in on the House floor to push for a vote on some gun legislation. That's a bit of a stunt no matter how you look at it, but the Republicans shot back by helping that stunt get much more attention by not just gavelling the House out of session, but also turning off the live feed of the House floor that flows to C-SPAN and out to the rest of us. C-SPAN doesn't control the cameras and is at the whim of Congress to access that feed, so when the GOP shut off the feed, C-SPAN was left without. This isn't a stupid move that's limited to the Republican side of Congress, apparently. Eight years ago the Democrats did the same thing when they controlled the House and were upset about Republicans trying to focus on a particular issue.

Of course, we now live in a modern technological age, where everyone has the power to broadcast live video in the devices we all carry in our pockets. Thus, despite House rules that forbid any sort of broadcasting from the floor, Rep. Scott Peters started broadcasting from the floor. And even as the Sergeant at Arms tried to stop the broadcasting, more people on the floor started using Periscope, Snapchat and Facebook Live, leading to C-SPAN rebroadcasting those feeds.

C-SPAN claims it's the first time it's done this (and let's not even bother with the copyright questions related to all of this...). But it seems like yet another example of a form of the Streisand Effect. The sit in was designed to get attention, and it certainly would have no matter what. But shutting off the cameras and trying to shut down the entire process only seemed to drive that much more attention to what was going on, and modern technology helped let the story still come out, no matter what the "House rules" happened to say.

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  • identicon
    Pixelation, 22 Jun 2016 @ 3:52pm

    Damn those Democrats anyway. The Republicans finally did us a favor and they screw it up. Who the hell wants to hear what those blow hards have to say?

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    That One Guy (profile), 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:04pm

    "Next up on the agenda, a prohibition against bringing any electronic device capable of recording audio and/or video into the chambers..."

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:27pm

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:55am

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      Exactly (it would also seem that news from a certain someone's pet pufta has become quite inconvenient lately).

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:30pm

    Is it common for CSPAN to broadcast when the house is not in session?

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      Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:49pm

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      They fill the air when Congress's isn't in session. Uncut stump speeches, Congressional hearings that they didn't have time to air and lots of book TV.

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:48pm

    Dont know much about foia but...

    Would these videos and communications fall under that for record keeping? If a congressperson is creating a video or audio recording for the purpose of informing the public, do they have to maintain a copy?

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:50pm

    People watch C-SPAN? I mean yeah I know people watch the station but not much of the general public because watching paint dry is more entertaining.

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:51pm

    wait your telling me I can watch the bomb dogs search the chamber and the janitors clean up. do they ever turn off the lights? is there night vision? so many questions

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 4:52pm

    The real question is how many politicians have Snapchat and do they send out nudes?

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    AnonBecauseFreeSpeechDoesntRequireYouKnowing, 22 Jun 2016 @ 5:13pm

    The self funded channels are showing this

    Some of the free speech channels aka community funded television have been airing the periscope feed.

    It's sad to see this showing on the RT channel, which is Russian owned and not on actual U.S. commercial stations.

    In case you're wondering RT is having a propaganda good time showing U.S. republican's unwillingness to govern.

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      Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 5:41pm

      Re: The self funded channels are showing this

      Cspan aired the periscope feed.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 3:57am

      Re: The self funded channels are showing this

      U.S. republican's unwillingness to govern.

      Say what? By saying no to the Dems is governing.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:11am

        Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

        Also, since when do we want to take advice on governing from Russia? Are Russian citizens allowed to own firearms? Maybe if they were they could have fought off the years of oppression?

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:54am

        Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

        The party of no says no again .. I'm shocked.

        The do nothing congress has been blatantly shirking their duties for almost eight years now and bragging about it. Any other job one would be fired within a few hours for refusing to perform your job duties.

        These are the pouting little brats that did not get their way, so they are taking the ball and going home.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 6:27am

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          They are the party of no only because the other party wants to do stupid stuff. But I do agree that they have shirked their duties because they have rolled over to Obama too many times. That is why we have Trump running for President.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 12:26pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

            Yes, because paying for things that you purchased in the past is such a stupid thing to do. Stupid congress.

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          JBDragon (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 7:49am

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          The Republican's are doing their job!!! It's not the Republican's job to give into everything OBAMA wants!!! By the way, when the Democrats are in control they do the exact SAME THING!!! That I guess is OK for you.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:31am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

            They refuse to vote on anything they do not like.
            They supposedly have the majority so wtf are they afraid of?

            Voting is their big job function and they refuse .. they should be fired.

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          Anonymous Coward, 24 Jun 2016 @ 6:52am

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          Oh noes, the Republicans are saying no to stomping on citizens 4th and 2nd amendment rights.

          God Damned right the Republicans are saying no!!!

          You can be a fucking sheep if you want, but as for me, no thanks!!

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        Berenerd (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 5:42am

        Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

        Unfortunately they say no to everything unless its their idea even if the Dems suggested it before.

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          Berenerd (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 5:44am

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          So they kind of, by default, lose the benefit of the doubt.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 6:28am

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          And the Dems don't do that to Repub ideas? Nice one-sided view you have there.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:03am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

            Most congress critters realize that voting on issues is their job. The party that holds the speaker position decides what comes to the floor regardless of what their colleagues might desire. Are you aware of any statistical breakdown by speaker which supports your allegation that both parties obstruct congressional duties by similar amounts?

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 1:04pm

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          both parties do that though. Most refuse to see the forest for the trees.

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        Wendy Cockcroft, 23 Jun 2016 @ 6:02am

        Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

        That is NOT governing, it's obstruction. Actually governing involves getting stuff done.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 6:29am

          Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

          Obstructing stupid stuff from the other side is absolutely governing. Because they don't do what you want them to do doesn't mean they aren't doing their job. They just aren't doing it to your liking. And the Dems aren't doing their job to the liking of the other half of the country.

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            Wendy Cockcroft, 23 Jun 2016 @ 7:24am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

            Give me one example of "stupid stuff."

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              Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:52am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

              Gun control, running up $18 trillion in debt, Obamacare and the list goes on.

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                Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:07am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                Much of the debt Obama gets blamed for by GOP types was proposed, voted upon and approved during Bush era - for example, bank bailouts.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:08am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                  "was proposed, voted upon and approved" by a democrat controlled congress.

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                    nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:20am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                    "was proposed, voted upon and approved" by a democrat controlled congress.

                    Yes, a Democratic Congress and Republican President did it together. Not President Obama (which was his point).

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                      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:22am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                      No, Obama was just a member of that legislative body that voted for it.

                      Phukkoff left winger.

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                        nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:46am

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                        So you assume that anyone who points out facts is a left winger?

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                          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:58am

                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                          Those damned facts again ... they keep getting in the way, must be something we can do about that.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 11:29am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                  Wow, 7 years later and Bush still gets the blame. It amazes me how many excuses and lies a large segment of society doesn't mind telling or being told. Will you accept those excuses for 8 more years if Hillary gets into office? At what point in the collapse of this country will you finally realize that excuses aren't getting us anywhere?

                  Here is a tidbit for you. During the first 2 years of Obama's first term, when he racked up more debt on a failing healthcare system, he could have done anything he wanted with taxes. The Dems passed healthcare w/o a single republican vote. They could have socked it to the rich with taxes as well. But not a peep was made about taxes. Instead, they waited until they lost control of congress then started talking taxes.

                  You realize Hillary made $150 million dollars in the last 7 years? Many of those years while she was selling influence from the State Dept? So now you see why they will never soak the rich? THEY ARE RICH!

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                    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 12:38pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                    Not sure what your point is, perhaps you could state it clearly?

                    Bush gets the blame because the sitting prez gets the blame for things that happen on their watch, not my idea .. just the way it is.

                    Excuses? Whose excuses, bankers?
                    The economic disaster that occurred on Bush's watch was ticking long before he took office the first time, he did nothing to stop it. I'm guessing they hoped it would not happen till the next admin took office, they could wipe their hands.

                    The other thing that is rather humorous, you think those who disagree with you are Hillary fans. It must be strange living in a black and white world.

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                    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 12:53pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                    They could have socked it to the rich with taxes as well. But not a peep was made about taxes. Instead, they waited until they lost control of congress then started talking taxes.

                    So what are you bitching about then?

                    Isn't that what you guys love? Tax cuts for the rich? Trickle-down economics?

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                      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 3:11pm

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                      Wow, you guys really are stupid as they come. The guy is trying to open your eyes and show you the Dems campaign on taxing the rich and when they have a chance to do it they don't because they are rich too. Even worse is Hillary enriched herself by selling influence from the State Department. And you idiots are trying to elect her to President thinking she is going to be different.

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                        nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 3:19pm

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                        And you idiots are trying to elect her to President thinking she is going to be different.

                        Personally I just think she's going to be better than Trump.

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                        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:42pm

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The self funded channels are showing this

                        "you idiots are trying to elect her to President "

                        I'm offended

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      Anonymous Coward, 24 Jun 2016 @ 6:50am

      Re: The self funded channels are showing this

      Yeah, free speech is awesome. The right to keep an bear arms (and for due process) is soon outmoded.

      Either you value ALL the damned Bill of Rights or you really value NONE of it.

      Color me not really impressed that free speech is allowing people to see Democrat children in the House of Representatives protesting that they can't simply take our fourth, fifth, and second amendment rights away.

      I believe that they have a right to speak out, don't get me wrong, but what they're saying is hypocritical bullshit.

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 5:53pm

    Shouldn't be any copyright. It was made by a government employee (even if elected) during the course of their work and is of utmost public interest.

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 8:35pm

    A better way would have been if they announced they would be getting rid of their armed security details. That would make it more believable that they truly believe guns should be restricted instead of the "we believe the average citizen should not have access to guns as a way to defend themselves, but we do"

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      Lawrence D’Oliveiro, 23 Jun 2016 @ 1:23am

      Re: if they announced they would be getting rid of their armed security details

      Speaking of which, you remember when Donald Trump addressed the NRA convention, proclaiming how he would get rid of gun-free zones?

      Did you notice the sign outside the convention centre, saying “NO WEAPONS ALLOWED”?

      That’s right—the NRA convention centre was a gun-free zone!

      Not that I am calling anyone a hypocrite, of course...

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:56am

        Re: Re: if they announced they would be getting rid of their armed security details

        It is hypocritical only when someone else is doing it.

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      nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 6:58am

      Re:

      A better way would have been if they announced they would be getting rid of their armed security details. That would make it more believable that they truly believe guns should be restricted instead of the "we believe the average citizen should not have access to guns as a way to defend themselves, but we do"

      Only if that is actually what they're saying. From what I've heard, none of the proposed bills (which have all failed so far) would remove access to guns as a way to defend ourselves.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:35am

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      Except that few if any democrats want to ban firearms, so that's a strawman argument.

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      Ruby, 23 Jun 2016 @ 2:40pm

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      Oh, God, this asinine talking point again. Seth Meyers put it best:

      “Yeah, how come my pharmacist can have a big jug of Vicodin, but I can’t?” Meyers said, responding to Carlson’s vapid argument. “Buddy, you’re a private citizen, and that’s not the same as a Secret Service agent. They’re professional law enforcement officers who’ve had to go through years of rigorous training and certification — whereas you look as if you were born and raised on a sailboat.”

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    Anonymous Coward, 22 Jun 2016 @ 10:46pm

    "In 2008, Republicans protested when Democrats, led by then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.), adjourned the House without granting a floor vote on offshore drilling. When Republicans then refused to leave the House floor, Pelosi ordered the lights and microphones off and cut off the video and audio feed to C-SPAN.

    When reporters refused to leave the House Press Gallery, where they were watching the action, Pelosi order the Capitol Hill Police to remove the reporters from the gallery."

    http://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2016/06/22/house-gop-members-livid-speaker-ryan-allo ws-dems-stage-sit/

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:56am

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      Brietbart?

      lol

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:09am

        Re: Re:

        What's wrong you pathetic piece of sh!t left winger? You can't deny it happened, so you attack the source.

        Typical.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 11:06am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Got to admire the high level of discourse going on here, I might even assume that every poster here is operating at or above the fifth grade level ... with a few exceptions of course, including yourself.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 2:56pm

        Re: Re:

        ya if you clicked on the article you would notice that Breitbart sourced NBC, getting your news from both sides of the aisle is a good idea.

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    JustMe (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:30am

    What copyright, Mike?

    Wouldn't this be covered under a public records statute (stayed up late watching, not enough coffee in me to bother looking them up), or at the very least under a 'this is a taxpayer funded building so there isn't a copyright' thing?

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    Adam, 23 Jun 2016 @ 5:28am

    Argh.

    Aren't we tired of electing children to office?

    I'm tried of politicians deciding for us instead of listening to us.. on ALL issues.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 5:55am

    So, the political party that wants to use a secret list that ignores Due Process is upset because the Republicans put the house in recess rather than pursue this unconstitutional agenda?

    These watch lists are just McCarthyism 2.0. They have gone from making secret lists of Communists to secret lists of terrorists.

    When the ACLU and the NRA are on the same side of an issue it pays to take a second look at the issue.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 6:00am

      Re:

      Just vote it down then and be done with it, no need to act like children.

      TLAs like secret lists - who knew?

      Both the NRA and the ACLU think that congress should not vote on measures because the speaker does not like them? This is hard to believe.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 1:06pm

        Re: Re:

        I read they did vote on it and it, and all 4 of the new proposed laws failed to pass. Most of the republicans and democrats both refused to pass laws that would restrict the rights of their fellow citizens.

        The ones having a sit in are having a temper tantrum that they didn't get their way.

        The whole "we shall vote and revote until the results are what I want."

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:48pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          " read they did vote on it and it, and all 4 of the new proposed laws failed to pass."

          Interesting - got a link?

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 7:12am

    Left wingers... smh.

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    Ken Ashe, 23 Jun 2016 @ 7:56am

    Twitter to the rescue

    In today's age, you can't stop news

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:01am

    New day. Same scam.

    The only thing about gun control that either side cares about is the donations. There have always been practical approaches to gun control that would remain compliant with the second amendment. They never go in that direction, because they want the money the debate generates, not the win.

    Great scam though.

    "you SEE! we're protesters and we're fed up, JUST LIKE YOU!"

    Maybe it will get some of Bernie crowd to get them on board with the the candidate the demopublicans have picked, but I doubt it. It isn't about liberal/conservative brand D/Brand R. They are two sales pitches on the same Corporate party.

    The sign on the American Door now reads: "Dear Democrat or Republican shill, fuck off. We have gone third party. Thanks for your hard work. Have a nice day".

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 3:03pm

      Re: New day. Same scam.

      "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

      pretty sure any law that regulates the right of the people to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional.

      now we have NICs the national instant criminal background check. FFL federal firearm licenses. conceal carry permits, pistol purchase permits. waiting periods. machine gun ban, assault weapons ban, nfa tax stamps, various bans on weapons imports that few people know about. the reason the ar-15 is such a big deal is that its made domestically all the imports have been banned including clones of American iconic firearms like the m1a.

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        nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 3:18pm

        Re: Re: New day. Same scam.

        pretty sure any law that regulates the right of the people to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional.

        Few to none of the rights mentioned in the constitution are absolute, including the right to bear arms.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 4:52pm

        Re: Re: New day. Same scam.

        "pretty sure any law that regulates the right of the people to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional. "


        How's that fully auto machine gun doin there Biff?

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        Anonymous Coward, 26 Jun 2016 @ 7:05am

        Re: Re: New day. Same scam.

        Actually the whole second amendment reads:

        "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

        Demopublicans always leave that first part out regardless of which brand is playing the straight man. The Republicans leave it out "because shooting good!" and the Democrats leave it out "because Malitia bad!".

        If "Malitia" was not intended to be contextualized, it wouldn't have been in there.

        The federal code does define Malitia's, and current regulatory practices implemented by the ATF likely violate that definition. The current federal code could be reasonably interpreted to limit firearms ownership to MEN age 17 to 45 already. (look it up.)

        The context to which the second amendment recognizes the right to keep and bare arms is in particular a military one. It has nothing to do with dear hunting, or match shooting.

        Which is to say, that if for example the federal government put a P.T. standard on malitias, they could regulate assault rifles on the basis of whether a person is sufficiently ambulatory to actually use one in a military context. This would probably pass constitutional muster with SCOTUS.

        There would be a number of positive side effects. The first of which is generating additional income for gun shops AND police by allowing them to run periodic standards assessments. The second of which would be to compel the community to engage in some social interaction so they would be better able to self regulate.

        The reason they don't go this route? Because they don't want armed civilians to be friendly and organized. And because they just want the fundraising, not the win.

        It is a game of three card monty in the park. D and R take turns being the straight man. Stop playing their game. They don't care. They never did. They're just taking your money.

        Join a third party, and help advance it. If you want brand R or brand D to do anything, the only thing that will get their attention is reduced marketshare.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:09am

    Bush had it right... We’ll either fight terrorists where they live or they’ll come here and fight us where we live.

    In the end this entire dog and pony show isn’t about protecting the American public but is an attempt to distract the American public from the fact that Obama’s FBI let a Muslim, who’s a registered Democrat, kill 49 gay people, and then lost track of his accomplice-wife.

    Tar and feathers.

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      nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:31am

      Re:

      Bush had it right... We’ll either fight terrorists where they live or they’ll come here and fight us where we live.

      So are you saying we didn't fight them where they live, or that they're not fighting us where we live?

      the fact that Obama’s FBI let a Muslim, who’s a registered Democrat, kill 49 gay people

      Not that I'm a fan of the FBI, but that wording implies that they chose not to do anything about this (and the "registered Democrat" comment is a symptom of partisan nitwit disease). It seems much more likely that they, like everyone else, had no idea this was going to happen.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:55am

        Re: Re:

        Bush had it right... We’ll either fight terrorists where they live

        Yeah, that whole fight them where they live has worked out so well. Some people never, ever, learn.

        Jackass.

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:01am

          Re: Re: Re:

          It did until obama become the resident of the White House.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:12am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Everything was under control during Bush.

            ... well - except for that economic crash thingie
            ... and that bank bailout fiasco
            ... and 911
            ... and Katrina
            ... thanks obama

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              Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:18am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              First off, learn to read. No where did I mention the economy, Katrina, or any other aspect of things during Bush's presidency.

              Second, you reveal yourself to be a propagandized piece of sh!t or a propagandist piece of sh!t. Either way, you're a POS.

              Third, democrats were in control of congress when the collapse happened, they were the ones who voted for bailouts.

              Fourth, 911 is the reason for why to fight.

              And lastly, Katrina is a perfect example of the collusion of democrats and democrats with bylines. The politician that dropped the ball was the mayor, Ray Nagin, but the democrats with bylines spun that and created a whole slew of lies on which to pin down Bush. The biggest one was the supposed conditions at the Astrodome.

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                Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 11:12am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                Anyone with whom you disagree is a "propagandized piece of sh!t" - amirite?

                Funny how Congress is not responsible for anything while a Dem is in the WH, but is totally responsible for everything when a Rep is in the WH - LOL, I find this hypocrisy to be not very surprising.

                Oh yeah ... I do not know how to read - Doh!

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 11:26am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Right - because we're concerned about the budget/deficit when it comes to anything except waging perpetual war.

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:56am

        Re: Re:

        (Jackass was meant for the OP)

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          Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:02am

          Re: Re: Re:

          But it more appropriately fits you.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 11:34am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            It's OK - I understand.

            You're just pissed that it's nearly inevitable that a democrat will be in the white house again, and that your trump shitshow will also probably cost you some congress seats.

            You ran McCain in 08 - and paired him up with the single biggest retard on the planet.

            Then, fresh off the biggest collapse in recent history, you run Romney - a wall street asshole who can't keep his disdain for nearly half the population quiet.

            This time, you run a misogynistic, racist douchebag.

            So my original comment stands. You never learn.

            Jackass.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:38am

    "Not that I'm a fan of the FBI, but that wording implies that they chose not to do anything about this (and the "registered Democrat" comment is a symptom of partisan nitwit disease). It seems much more likely that they, like everyone else, had no idea this was going to happen."

    Another dumb monkey spins for the big banana.

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      nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 8:59am

      Re:

      Another dumb monkey spins for the big banana.

      Would I be correct in translating this as "anyone who doesn't believe in my conspiracy theory is a dumb sheeple"?

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:06am

        Re: Re:

        No, you'd be incorrect.

        Theory: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

        Conspiracy theory: a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event.

        Now it's safe to say I present a theory, which one may argue is wrong, it isn't a conspiracy theory.

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          nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:37am

          Re: Re: Re:

          OK, so it's "anyone who doesn't believe in my version of events is a dumb sheeple"? So much better.

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            Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:21am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Oh, no, I never use the word sheeple.

            You people didn't get duped into your beliefs, you're simply the enemy playing out your propaganda.

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              nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 10:45am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              I'm the enemy... of who? And what propaganda am I playing out? You mean the idea that FBI didn't know what this guy was going to do? That "propaganda"?

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                Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 11:14am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                Anyone who does not regurgitate the party line is the enemy and needs to be destroyed ... that is the basis of democracy, didn't you know that?

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        Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 1:10pm

        Re: Re:

        seemed more like a racist slur to me. the only times i see monkey used as an insult is when a person is refering to a black person.

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          nasch (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 1:19pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          seemed more like a racist slur to me.

          Possible, though why he would think someone on the other end of the internet is of any particular race is unclear. Then again I'm not sure his thinking is clear to begin with.

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          The Wanderer (profile), 24 Jun 2016 @ 10:00am

          Re: Re: Re:

          I also see it used as an insult by way of the stock phrase "performing monkey" - i.e., someone who does their tricks out of a hope/expectation of being rewarded by The Man ("With The Yellow Hat"?) for it, without knowing or caring about the meanings or consequences of said tricks.

          In the immediate context, it seems at least as likely to me that "monkey" here is a contraction of that type of expression as that it's a racist slur.

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          John Fenderson (profile), 24 Jun 2016 @ 3:00pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          It could be, but "monkey" is quite often used as an insult in ways that have nothing whatsoever to do with race. Particularly in my part of the country, which favors different racial slurs than that particular one.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 Jun 2016 @ 9:31am

    Another circle jerk under the dome, get your raggedy asses up off of that filthy floor and get back to work. As for the morons who pulled the live feed you will be fined for your malicious activities as well. It is called a Constitutional Convention, if you don't have the stomach for it find yourselves another line of work. Drumph and Shillary, God help us.

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    That One Guy (profile), 23 Jun 2016 @ 3:35pm

    Well color me (not) surprised

    Article about how an attempt to shut down any recordings fails utterly devolves immediately into a 'My tribe vs Your tribe' bicker-fest.

    Yup, certainly didn't see that coming... /s

    I'm sure any politician reading the comments would be so very proud that the biggest scam in politics is alive and well, and remains just as effective today as it was decades past.

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