This Is Bad: Court Says Remastered Old Songs Get A Brand New Copyright

from the bye-bye-public-domain dept

Whoo boy. Did not expect this one. For a while now, we've noted a variety of lawsuits over pre-1972 sound recordings, due to a quirk in copyright law. You see, for a long time, sound recordings were not covered by federal copyright at all (the compositions were, but the recordings were not). State laws did jump in to fill the gap (often in terrible ways), but in the 1970s, when the Copyright Act was updated, it finally started covering sound recordings as well... but only for songs recorded in 1972 or later. This has left all songs recorded before that in a weird state, where they're the only things still covered by a mess of confusing state copyright laws. The easy way to fix this would be to update the law to just put all such sound recordings under federal copyright law. But the RIAA has resisted this heavily, recognizing that keeping them away from federal copyright law is allowing them the ability to keep them under copyright even longer and to squeeze a lot of extra money out of music streaming companies.

Last fall, we wrote about the record labels moving on from streaming companies to instead suing CBS over its terrestrial radio operations playing pre-1972 songs as well. CBS hit back with what we considered to be a fairly bizarre defense: claiming that it wasn't actually playing any pre-1972 music, because all of the recordings it used had been remastered after 1972, and those recordings should have a new and distinct copyright from the original sound recording. As we noted at the time, an internet company called Bluebeat had tried a version of this argument years earlier only to have it shot down by the courts (though its argument ignored the whole derivative works issue).

Now, in a somewhat stunning ruling, the court has agreed with CBS that remastered works get new copyrights as derivative works of the original. You can read the full court order here. The court, correctly, notes that for a work to get a new copyright, it must show originality beyond the initial work -- and that originality "must be more than trivial."

The court relies heavily on CBS's own experts who claim that remastering involves a lot of choices by the engineer doing the remastering, as well as an audio forensics expert who insisted that by using the remastered versions, "CBS did not use any version of the sound recordings that plaintiffs claim to own." The label that's suing, ABS Entertainment, argued that remastered music is just a digital conversion of an old analog recording. ABS supplied its own expert... who apparently was completely unconvincing, mainly because his "scientific method" of analyzing the old and new songs was basically "I listened to both carefully."
CBS objects to Mr. Geluso’s testimony on the grounds that it is irrelevant, unscientific, based on unreliable methodology, and lacks adequate foundation as expert testimony. As context for these objections, it is worth recounting what Mr. Geluso did during his testing: Mr. Geluso examined the sound recordings by performing waveform and spectral analysis, as well as critically listening to them – a technique which is unexplained in Mr. Geluso’s declaration but appears to involve listening while also paying attention... While Mr. Geluso would “critically listen” to all of a recording, his actual scientific testing was limited to, in most instances, the first five seconds of each recording.... Mr. Geluso’s report also includes graphs taken from his testing software which serve as visual exhibits demonstrating his scientific testing.... However, in his deposition, Mr. Geluso could not provide an opinion as to the similarities or differences between sound recordings based only on his own graphs, protesting that he needed access to his full computer workstation.... Moreover, Mr. Geluso excluded from his report results from the first test he attempted – an “industry standard” known as phase inversion testing – which revealed differences in the first several works which Mr. Geluso compared.... Mr. Geluso then abandoned this methodology and did not directly disclose the results in his report.
Let this be a lesson to litigious companies: be careful who you hire as an expert. The court tossed out all of Geluso's testimony, meaning that ABS presented basically no evidence to contradict CBS's claims that remastered works are original enough to get a new copyright, making it easy to find for CBS on summary judgment. The court rejects ABS's reliance on older cases that said remastered works didn't create a new song by noting that those all involved unauthorized remastering, as opposed to this situation where the remastered versions were authorized:
Accordingly, the Court finds that on the record before it, Plaintiffs’ pre-1972 Sound Recordings have undergone sufficient changes during the remastering process to qualify for federal copyright protection. For example, for Ace Cannon’s “Tuff,” Dr. Begault found that the CBS version had additional reverberation, was played in a different musical key and at a faster tempo, and differed in the musical performance.... Additionally, many of the remastered versions included different channel assignments and adjustments in equalization.... In the terms identified in Circular 56, these differences between the recordings – which were explained by Mr. Inglot and objectively measured by Dr. Begault – are not merely “mechanical changes or processes … such as a change in format, de-clicking, and noise reduction.” ... Nor are the changes “trivial,” as evidenced by Plaintiffs’ repeated decisions to have experienced sound engineers remaster their works. Instead, the changes reflect “multiple kinds of creative authorship, such as adjustments of equalization, sound editing, and channel assignment.” ...

In sum, Plaintiffs have failed to create a genuine dispute of material fact as to whether the versions of Plaintiffs’ works performed by CBS included sufficient originality to qualify for a federal copyright. For the 57 works reviewed by both parties’ experts, the Court finds that the changes made during the remastering process were original within the meaning of the Copyright Act, and are thus entitled to federal copyright protection.
ABS raised a few other potential issues, each of which the court dismisses. The most interesting to me is the claim that even if the remastered versions are new works, ABS still holds the common law pre-1972 copyright on the original that is embedded within the remastered version. But, the court points out, the law treats the two works differently, and as long as CBS is playing the post-1972 version, it's in the clear:
However, the Court disagrees with Plaintiffs’ further conclusion that this results in CBS having infringed Plaintiffs’ copyrights. The relevant question is whether CBS had the right to perform the remastered, post-1972 sound recordings.12/ Under federal law, CBS has the right to perform post-1972 sound recordings on terrestrial radio without payment, and to perform them through digital platforms under a statutory compulsory license.
Now, this ruling, if it holds up under any appeal is going to have massive reverberations and implications in the world of music copyright. While the original lawsuit (as with many lawsuits over pre-1972 sound recordings) was pretty ridiculous and a blatant attempt to use legal quirks to try to squeeze extra money out of things, this ruling could upend a bunch of things in dangerous ways. First off, it's going to make a huge mess for the public domain. Record labels can now avoid public domain issues by simply "remastering" old works and getting a brand spanking new copyright that will last for another 95 years. Yes, the original work will still go into the public domain, but things are going to get difficult for the public to determine what's in the public domain and what's not. The fact that you might need to get a musicologist to analyze tracks to determine if the sound recording you have is in the public domain or subject to a brand new copyright seems like a potential disaster for the public domain. It's going to make it hellishly risky to make use of any sound recording, even if it should be in the public domain.

The court plays down this threat in a rather unconvincing footnote:
Plaintiffs also assert a policy based argument that an adverse ruling in this case will result in potentially endless extension of copyright protections for pre-1972 Sound Recordings as they are remastered into new formats.... Plaintiffs’ concerns are unwarranted because the Court’s finding of copyrightable originality is based not on a mere conversion between formats, but on the original expression added by a sound engineer during the remastering process. Such original expression is entitled to copyright protection, regardless of whether the underlying work was fixed before or after 1972.
Yeah, but that assumes that copyright holders won't carefully make changes in the remastering process to account for this fact. And that's ridiculous, because the RIAA and its labels will do just about anything to hold onto copyrights for a longer period of time.

Second, it's going to wreak havoc on the issue of termination rights. As we've discussed in the past, under copyright law, the original creator has a universal right to reclaim the copyright from anyone it was assigned to after 35 years. This has been a massive headache for the RIAA lately, as a bunch of classic artists have started to demand their songs back. The RIAA has been trying to fight this in a number of different ways... including by arguing that remastered songs get a brand new copyright. So even though the record labels may have "lost" this case (so far), they may be thrilled in the long run, because they may have just been given a massive tool to avoid both the public domain and termination rights. Remember, this is the same RIAA, who back in 1999 had a Congressional staffer named Mitch Glazier sneak four words into a totally unrelated bill (literally) in the middle of the night, to try to exempt sound recordings from copyright termination laws (and then, months later, hired that same staffer to a job paying upwards of $500k per year -- a job he still has a decade and a half later). That kerfuffle was only discovered later and a bunch of famous musicians started screaming at Congress, leading them to repeal Glazier's sneaky change. In short: if you don't believe the RIAA will make use of this new loophole to get around termination rights, you haven't been paying any attention at all.

So, in the end, even though this case is a "loss" for the record labels who brought the case, the implications of this ruling almost certainly are a massive victory for the labels in a variety of other cases, and a huge loss for the public and for artists who were expecting to reclaim their works.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 10:49am

    It all depends on who you are.

    ...an internet company called Bluebeat had tried a version of this argument years earlier only to have it shot down by the courts

    Yeah, but they weren't CBS. Different laws for different people.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 10:53am

    If copyright is so great...

    then it *should* last forever. If not, then it shouldn't exist at all.

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:00am

      Re: If copyright is so great...

      Copyright is only good if it doesn't last forever. Otherwise, it doesn't fulfill its original purpose of incenting artists to create new works. Perpetual copyright would just incentivize the copyrighting of everything possible and collecting rent and suing anything that might be even close to a derivative work.

      Perpetual copyright is only great for corporations that never die.

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      JBDragon (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:39pm

      Re: If copyright is so great...

      In effect, Copyright on songs, any song in effect will last forever!!! Nothing will end up going into the Public Domain ever.

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      That One Guy (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:45pm

      Re: If copyright is so great...

      It already does. Whether 5 years or 500, any term that lasts longer than your life is for all intents and purposes eternal, and life plus several decades(and counting) most certainly falls under that category.

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        jupiterkansas (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:54pm

        Re: Re: If copyright is so great...

        this is the thing! Pretty much all culture created in your lifetime - music, movies, books, photos, poems, artwork - will be under copyright until you're dead, and most of it owned by a handful of corporations, and most of it unavailable to you simply because it's not profitable.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 10:56am

    Not New

    Just to reiterate, this is very sort of asshattery that guarantee I will never again pay for music except in live performance.

    Die, CBS, die!

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:52pm

      Re: Not New

      Sorry, you still lose loser.

      Stop giving any artist that sells their soul to the devil your money regardless of the venue.

      What stupid world do you live in to believe dirt bags are not profiting off the artists in a live performance? The agreements could be anything you don know!

      My philosophy, I will give an artist money, provided they have not sold out. Once they do sell out its clear they never loved the music, they just love the money!

      I feel no sorrow for any artist dying in street when their bullshit luck runs out after selling their soul!

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:00am

    If it is a new copyright then can't anyone come along and "remaster" the original to create their own copyright? Three separate "versions" of the same song by different companies?? According to their argument, these are all now different. Be careful what you ask for...

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:10am

      Re:

      This is addressed in the ruling. Only the copyright holder of the original recording is "authorized" to make the derivative masters. Any masters made by someone else would have been done so without authorization, and would therefore be illegal.

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        Baron von Robber, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:38am

        Re: Re:

        Ok...so the original work is copyrighted because it was different from all other works.

        But if remastered work of the original work is remastered so much, it becomes an original enough to be copyrighted.

        Unless somebody who didn't own the original, remasters it to the same degree, then it's not copyrightable.

        Whew...that's some catch that Catch-22.

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        David, 3 Jun 2016 @ 6:34am

        Re: Re:

        This is addressed in the ruling. Only the copyright holder of the original recording is "authorized" to make the derivative masters. Any masters made by someone else would have been done so without authorization, and would therefore be illegal.

        That doesn't jibe since the whole case is predicated on the original being out of copyright in the first place. So there is no "copyright holder of the original recording".

        You still need to get physical access to the old masters, however.

        I'm somewhat surprised at Mike's surprise here: this has been standard fare with sheet music for centuries: try getting hold of any Bach edition out of copyright. The music publishers "remaster" the same material over and over (mostly in the name of musicology with "revised" editions) in order to get renewed copyrights on it.

        They are a bit in a bind because engravings from the turn of last century, more or less the heyday of high quality plate engravings, are running out of copyright while "modern" computer typesettings have not yet matched the old quality.

        But in the end, it boils down to the same: it doesn't matter if remastered versions are actually worse as long as you manage to flush the old stuff from store and private shelves.

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      Mike Masnick (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:41am

      Re:

      If it is a new copyright then can't anyone come along and "remaster" the original to create their own copyright? Three separate "versions" of the same song by different companies?? According to their argument, these are all now different. Be careful what you ask for...

      No, it's still a derivative work. So you still need authorization to do the remastering. But then you can get a new copyright on the remastered version.

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      djgude (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 6:53am

      Re:

      Short answer: No

      Long answer: You have to get permission to make the derivative sound recording. It is mentioned in the lawsuit and in the article that ABS licensed the creation of remastered sound recordings. It would be interesting to see that license agreement

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    Peter (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:03am

    Two questions to CBS

    1. If the remastered version is so different from the original that it warrants a new copyright, shouldn't it be released as a cover version under the name of the engineer rather than the original artist? When I buy a Beatles CD, I expect the Beatles and not the work of an anonymous computer expert.

    2. If the engineers add so much creative value, do you pay them royalties for every copy sold instead of a engineer's salary?

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      DogBreath, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:18am

      Re: Two questions to CBS

      1. CBS: We don't care what you expect, but what we expect is for you to pay us, now hand over the dough.

      2. CBS: Wage Slaves... I mean "Employees" do not get royalties as they are contracted to "work for hire" and we own everything they do under said contract, including their immortal soul. They really should have had a lawyer look over that employment contract before they signed it, too late now. Muhahahahaha!

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:22am

      Re: Two questions to CBS

      Can't just anyone take a pre 1972 recording, remaster it, claim copyright on it and release it in the public domain?

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        radarmonkey (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:40am

        Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

        I'm going to add a fart sound at the beginning of every song I have!

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        Mike Masnick (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:42am

        Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

        Can't just anyone take a pre 1972 recording, remaster it, claim copyright on it and release it in the public domain?


        No. As a derivative work, you still need a license to do the remastering. It's just that then you can get a new copyright.

        But what this could mean is that anyone could remaster a work that was in the public domain (no license needed!) and then get a copyright on the "new" work.

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          Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:24pm

          Re: Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

          Wasn't that already possible? The value of that copyright would be very diminished as the original public domain work would still exist and be usable, so I'd imagine the new copyright is almost useless, unless it somehow REALLY catches on.

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            Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:51pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

            In theory yes, but in practise... how is YouTube going to distinguish between the original and a remastered version?

            You'd think that under "innocent until proven guilty" the law would assume that if there's an original version out there, a remasterer would have to prove the copy was their remastered variant.

            But don't hold your breath. That's not how things have worked out so far.

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          Ryunosuke (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:34pm

          Re: Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

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          Whatever (profile), 4 Jun 2016 @ 2:39am

          Re: Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

          Mike, while I appreciate your arm waving, there are two things here:

          1 - this isn't really news. Remasters have always gotten a sort of performance / recording copyright from the word go.

          2 - You don't yank anything out of the public domain or otherwise negate the original. If an orchestra records their version of Beethoven's 5th, they don't suddenly have a copyright on anything other than the performance.

          The remaster is of course copyright, but it doesn't negate the existing copyright on the original. What the record companies are trying to do is to move broadcasters and such onto the new version, away from the old version, and thus making them subject to their copyright of the performance / recording.

          I'm not seeing much new here that wasn't already well established.

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:23am

      Re: Two questions to CBS

      Interesting... I wonder if the engineers are under contract or otherwise forced to sign over all potential copyrights when hired or did a whole bunch of tracks suddenly get new owners?

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:58am

      Re: Two questions to CBS

      When I buy a Beatles CD, I expect the Beatles and not the work of an anonymous computer expert.


      Be more imaginative here, and consider the era when these classic albums were recorded. Audio production technology has come a long way, and even moreso the consumer playback experience. Mastering, which is considered a form of quasi-voodoo magic in the music industry, is all about quality control and accurate reproduction across a wide variety of consumer playback systems (earbuds, headphones, cell phones, laptop speakers, desktop speakers, bookshelf stereos, jukeboxes, bar PAs, grocery store ambience, dance club floors... you get the idea).

      Back in the '60s, the mastering engineer would have had to make slight alterations to the original master tapes as he cut them to vinyl plates because he had to take into consideration the limits of consumer playback systems. He might have had to trim out some bass frequencies because they literally bounced the needle out of the groove, he might have brightened up the top end knowing that most home equipment would be duller in those frequencies than the fancy EMI Studios equipment could reproduce. He'd have to make equalization adjustments for the songs as they approach the center of the record because the shorter and smaller grooves present more difficulties than the outer grooves. If an album side was longer than 15 minutes, he would have to make decisions about what frequencies to dampen in the mix in order to cut narrower grooves to accommodate the longer side. Ultimately, he might have to make some decisions that drastically alter the sound as it was perceived by the musicians in the tracking/mixing stage.

      Now fast forward decades, and a lot of the compromises the mastering engineer made in the '60s no longer need to be made. That ultra sub-sonic Moog tone that couldn't translate to vinyl? Now it fits. The extended 22 minute version of the final track that had to be edited down to 12 minutes to fit on the side? Now the whole thing fits. Did the tracks have to be re-arranged from their intended order to make both sides of the record roughly equal in running time? No longer an issue with digital media.

      What I'm saying is that, in some cases, these modern remasters are actually much more like what the original musicians intended for the audience to hear; much more like what they themselves heard in the studio while they were making the album.

      As for your second point, it would be odd for a lowly tracking engineer to get royalties on a record, but it's not unheard of. It's even more common for mix engineers to earn royalties. I'm not personally aware of any mastering engineers who receive royalties, but I don't see why it couldn't happen. I could very easily imagine Bob Ludwig or Masterdisk studios offering to master a smaller artist's album at a discount, but with points on royalties instead. But, knowing the way the mastering process works, it's just not the kind of thing that an engineer would bother with. They work on each album very quickly, because they have to; if they listen to a recording for too long they'll lose objectivity. It's much simpler for them to take the $500 (or whatever amount is negotiated) per song minute and be done with it.

      Mostly you are paying for their ears (and yes, critical listening is certainly a thing; this is why tech bloggers might want to consider staying in their lane before they attempt to be snarky.), and their incredibly expensive listening environments. The required acoustic treatment to build out the room, and a capable audio reproduction system, probably starts at $500,000 on the extremely low end of the spectrum. And it's not something "digital" will save you from. Acoustics are acoustics. Bass, for instance, is impossible to hear properly in an untreated room with dimensions smaller than the wavelength of the tone (measured in feet). It's all physics.

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        Baron von Robber, 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:19pm

        Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

        "Bass, for instance, is impossible to hear properly in an untreated room with dimensions smaller than the wavelength of the tone (measured in feet). It's all physics."

        Depends. I played my bass thru a Gallien-Krueger that had a direct line out, so the engineer could go thru that or mic my speakers

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          Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:33pm

          Re: Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

          "Bass, for instance, is impossible to hear properly in an untreated room with dimensions smaller than the wavelength of the tone (measured in feet). It's all physics."

          Which is why it's impossible to hear bass using headphones.
          Oh, wait...

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            Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 4:18pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

            I wonder about the physics of burning some fools manifesto of a comment down with one snarky sentence.

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        jupiterkansas (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:39pm

        Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

        You are not describing anything deserving of a new copyright, because all the new elements the engineer is "revealing" is still in the original recording. They aren't adding anything new, but simply creating an alternate version for playback on more sensitive equipment - such as the difference between mastering for LP and for CD, or turning a mono recording into stereo.

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        Mike Masnick (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:20pm

        Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

        and yes, critical listening is certainly a thing; this is why tech bloggers might want to consider staying in their lane before they attempt to be snarky

        Talk to the judge, not me. It was the judge who got snarky.

        Bass, for instance, is impossible to hear properly in an untreated room with dimensions smaller than the wavelength of the tone (measured in feet).

        If that's the case, then it really doesn't matter, does it, since most people will never be able to hear it "properly"?

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        techflaws (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 10:16pm

        Re: Re: Two questions to CBS

        It's all physics.

        None of which apparently has had any bearing on the legal outcome/implications of this case. This is why self-proclaimed audio experts might want to consider staying in their lane before they attempt to be snarky.

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      JMT (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 6:37pm

      Re: Two questions to CBS

      "When I buy a Beatles CD, I expect the Beatles and not the work of an anonymous computer expert."

      And when I read your comments I expect you to stick to the topic of music engineers and not bring up "computer experts", which are quite different.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:04am

    damn. i'm going to do a minor change to every song that's ever been recorded. i'm going to be rich beyond this alphabet's ability to describe.

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:11am

      Re:

      This is addressed in the ruling. Only the copyright holder of the original recording is "authorized" to make the derivative masters. Any "new masters" made by you would be done so without authorization, and would therefore be illegal.

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        Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:25am

        Re: Re:

        That's dumb, once the original becomes public domain derivatives should be legal to make. That's part of the point of the public domain.

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          JBDragon (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:44pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          In effect, the Public Domain no longer exists as not a single song will ever go into it. Your song getting ready to expire, no problem, just do a lame remaster, problem solved, go another 50-100 years, whatever it's at currently. It's been getting longer and long and now it's just infinity.

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            Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 6:44am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            It's not like anything else about copy protection laws make any sense, at least not for the public interest or for the interests of artists, so why should I expect this to.

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    DogBreath, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:09am

    Well it looks like...

    Papa's (RIAA) Got a Brand New Bag... and it will be full of "Remastered Copyrights".

    (Throws original artists sunglasses on ground and crushes them with bottom of shoe)

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:15am

    So...

    If we take a public domain novel, fix some spelling and punctuation mistakes, it's immediately covered under copyright again... neat!

    I'm guessing the original still remains public domain - if you can find a copy of it...

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:28am

    contracted to "work for hire"

    i contracted for years and just about every contract stated that any idea i had, day or night - whether it had anything to do with my work for that company - belonged to them. including any idea i might have for the following 6 months to one year after leaving their employ.

    i further promised to move hell and earth to make sure the company would receive their patents on any idea i had.

    do i need to tell you that i never, ever had an idea or even the faintest twinkle of one?

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:37am

    A great victory for remixes!!??

    So now ANYONE should be able to take ANY PART of ANY SONG, remix it with some tempo change and digital manipulation and OWE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the original composer or, more better, the RECORD LABEL.

    Thanks CBS!

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    Wendy Cockcroft, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:41am

    Is it time to abolish copyright?

    I've been leaning towards the "abolish copyright" position for some time now because I'm sick of the abuses that occur when it's treated like actual property. This is the final straw. Enough! Copyright has jumped the shark; time to call it a day. Who's with me?

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 7:10pm

      Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

      Way past time, actually.

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      PaulT (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 12:08am

      Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

      I'll just repeat my usual position - completely abolishing copyright would be bad, because it would enable major labels to literally steal the music of independent artists. They could re-record with their puppets without licences, and/or leverage their marketing power to sell thousands of copies while the people who actually wrote and recorded the works get nothing. An unknown independent artist tries releasing their version of their original song, while a major label gets Rihanna to release a cover version free of royalties to the actual author - guess who sells the most? Worse, the original artist could be branded as having recorded a cover while the "original" is the major label work in the minds of the public.

      No, there needs to be some protection, it just needs to be far more akin to the original version of copyright than the bastardised version that's been mutated to fit the needs of corporations.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 1:01am

        Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

        completely abolishing copyright would be bad, because it would enable major labels to literally steal the music of independent artists.

        The labels will be doing that in direct competition with the artists themselves, who can release their music for free and use patreon and the like to enable their fans to pay them. Eliminate copyright, and you eliminate the labels ability to control the market. Many independent artists would consider ant attempts by the labels to do that to be free advertising, as those people who listened to their music as distributed by the labels, and enjoyed it would soon find their way to the artists site.

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          PaulT (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 3:04am

          Re: Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

          "The labels will be doing that in direct competition with the artists themselves, who can release their music for free and use patreon and the like to enable their fans to pay them."

          As they are now. Did you notice that despite having these avenues available to them, they are unable to break the majors' stranglehold on mainstream media and distribution and still manage to make piles of money more than the average indie? Now imagine they're using the exact same music as well. Do you not see the problem?

          "Many independent artists would consider ant attempts by the labels to do that to be free advertising, as those people who listened to their music as distributed by the labels, and enjoyed it would soon find their way to the artists site."

          Unless the labels' own advertising make the mainstream audience believe that their artist was the originator of the song, so they don't go looking for the original artist. After all, without copyright, why would they even credit the original artist?

          If that sounds unlikely, go through Elvis' catalogue and ask mainstream listeners about the many, many cover versions he recorded. The likelihood is, most of them won't even know they were covers, let alone be able to name the original artists. If you find someone who can do that, ask them if they've ever bothered to go looking for the originals, let alone checked out other music by the same artist. Chances are, you will find very few people who did so.

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            jupiterkansas (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 7:28am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

            At least music has compulsory licensing.

            How about: "I wrote a book." Warner Brothers says "We're making a movie of it and you get nothing."

            But the real question is...

            Would I still write that book knowing Warner Brothers could go make that movie? Would Warner Brothers still make that movie even if everyone could copy it?

            Yes, they probably would.

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              PaulT (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 7:36am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

              "At least music has compulsory licensing."

              Under the current system, but would that carry over if copyright was abolished? I would have thought any licencing would depend on the copyright, and removing copyright would effectively make everything the same status as a public domain song would be currently. I could be wrong though.

              "Would Warner Brothers still make that movie even if everyone could copy it?"

              Everybody can copy it in the current system, but that doesn't seem to stop people making movies. Maybe the implicit permission of no copyright would change things, but if there's profit to be made you can be sure they'll pick any book they fancied to adapt for nothing.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 7:47pm

        Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

        I'll just repeat my usual position - completely abolishing copyright would be bad, because it would enable major labels to literally steal the music of independent artists.

        And I'll repeat this again: "Copying is not stealing"

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        Wendy Cockcroft, 6 Jun 2016 @ 2:30am

        Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

        Hmm... good argument. Okay, I'm leaning your way now.

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      Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 3:48am

      Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

      In my own head copyright on most things has been abolished for years, every time the *AA's come up with new ways to screw the public of their rights, I make it my duty to educate those around me friends, family, co-workers etc., to also ignore copyright.

      My hit rate is pretty good:
      4 using VPNs
      3-4 using unofficial streaming
      8 or so more sharing offline

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        jupiterkansas (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 7:29am

        Re: Re: Is it time to abolish copyright?

        That's you enjoying copyrighted works. It's very different from you creating your own works, esp. using copyrighted works as part of whatever you create.

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    radarmonkey (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:41am

    A minute silver lining

    .... if you could call it that.

    This ruling should put an end to any/all 'Sampling' lawsuits.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:48am

    This is just an absolutely ridiculous ruling. Just another reason why copyright needs to be cut back to a single term of 15 years with no chance of being renewed or extended in any fashion.

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    DOlz (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:58am

    So in a few years instead of Disney once again getting a copyright extension, they’ll just remaster those old cartoons every 95 years.

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      PaulT (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 12:09am

      Re:

      Almost preferable to the endless extensions, since the originals would be in the public domain for once. But, you still have the issue of distinguishing between them...

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    ThatFatMan (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:00pm

    With this decision...

    Copyright terms are long. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly long they are. I mean, you may think it's a long time down the road for a patent to expire, but that's just peanuts to Copyright terms.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:05pm

    Kill copyright on sound recording after 35 years

    So, if the copyright can be reclaimed after 35 years, let's just kill copyright on sound recordings after 35 years. Wow, how copyright has changed, from forcing works into the public domain, to keeping control as long as possible. It's almost like not having copyright law at all.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:11pm

      Re: Kill copyright on sound recording after 35 years

      "It's almost like not having copyright law at all."

      Or maybe just ridiculously bad "copyright" law.

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    crade (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:11pm

    because his "scientific method" of analyzing the old and new songs was basically "I listened to both carefully."

    Right.. Because the remastered version is a completely different work from the original sound recording.. Just not in a way you could hear if you listened to both carefully.

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    crade (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 12:39pm

    Now you just need to destroy the original source and you can control all new releases! Woot.

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    That One Guy (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:07pm

    And let the looting commence...

    Have a song that slipped into the public domain before you managed to buy the right politicians to extend the duration? Make a remastered version, claim a new copyright on it, and let the bots do the rest taking down all the 'infringing' copies until only yours is left.

    I don't imagine many people will be willing to spend the time and money demonstrating that their copy was the 'original' and therefore in the public domain, and since courts have already bought the idea that similar sounding songs are good enough it would be up to the accused to demonstrate their innocence on a very imbalanced playing field.

    I have to hand it to the mess that is Copyright, even when I have absolutely no respect for the law somehow rulings keep coming out and arguments keep being made to make me respect it even less.

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    DB (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:20pm

    How is "listening carefully" not valid for an audio recording?

    Yes, it's subjective. But if two audio works are so similar that a casual listener, not even "listening carefully", considers them the same, why should they be granted a new copyright?

    I understand that mastering is a skilled craft that involves many judgement calls. But many skilled crafts, with considerable "sweat of the brow" (in the legal sense) don't result in copyright-worthy works. A brick layer makes judgements constantly. So does a tile setter. And many other workers. They don't get copyrights. For good reason.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 1:57pm

    Remastering by CBS DOES involve a lot of choices by CBS management.

    Should I do these three lines of coke BEFORE or AFTER the hookers arrive?

    Should i fuck over one artist for all his royalties, or fuck several of them over for a percentage?

    etc

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    mr. sim (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 2:34pm

    when you say that artists loose can't they "remaster" their songs and take back the copyrights? essentially using this to loophole their music out of the hands of the labels.

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      k-h, 2 Jun 2016 @ 10:07pm

      Re:

      The musicians already sold their rights to the record company. They don't own the rights to their songs or performances any more.

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    John, 2 Jun 2016 @ 2:37pm

    Works in reverse

    Doesn't that give pirates the legal right to take a copyrighted song and remaaster it making "a lot of choices" in how the song will sound when it if finished? I can't see the difference between that and what CBS just argued.

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    Glenn, 2 Jun 2016 @ 2:46pm

    "Court" is, not very surprisingly, lacking in all common sense. Court dumb.

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 4:00pm

    Gee does this explain a recent glut of "remastered" recordings hitting the market?

    It really is time to tear the bandaid off of copyright.
    Go in and cut out the dead tissue, apply antibiotics to kill off the infections, and let the wound heal naturally.

    Copyright is nothing like what was envisioned, it has been twisted in to some sort of super bug that is infecting everything else to protect itself. We need to stop the opportunistic infections of the cartels, and make them stand on their own and tend to the barren garden of public domain to cultivate a future that isn't just The Expendables XXIV & the newest Star Trek reboot now with 400% more lens flare.

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 7:16pm

      Re:

      Go in and cut out the dead tissue, apply antibiotics to kill off the infections, and let the wound heal naturally.

      Copyright is itself a disease. You can't sure a disease of a disease, you just have to get rid of it altogether.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 4:14pm

    haha. well, don't worry about this too much, because it's blatantly wrong. Despite using an example of a song where the key was changed and reverb added, that is most assuredly not the process in 99.9999% of remasters.

    This judge is quite a bonehead and this will be easily overturned on appeal.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Jun 2016 @ 8:09pm

    all those bribes had to pay off sometime. The court could have done its job and ruled normally but then they would have only made what their job pays them, this way they make extra money at the expense of screwing over millions of people they will never meet and therefore don't give a dam about.

    I find it truely amazing how so many people in positions of power are willing to ruin the lives of thousands or more of others solely for a short term cash benefit.

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      That One Guy (profile), 2 Jun 2016 @ 11:51pm

      Re:

      You don't actually have to assume bribery to get a result like this, you just need to assume that absolutely nothing trumps copyright as far as importance goes, and that the public has absolutely no bearing in any decision regarding it beyond a minor, dismissive footnote. You know, the same ideas that maximalists throw out like confetti any chance they get.

      Assume those two things and yet another ruling screwing over the public and creators in the name of The All-Mighty Copyright is disappointing, but not even remotely surprising.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 1:59am

        Re: Re:

        I know your guilty conscience immediately puts you into robot "copyright is bad" mode, but you're getting way ahead of yourself on this one. This case is just an example of a clueless judge that made a decision that will be quickly overturned.

        That's it.

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          That One Guy (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 2:51am

          Re: Re: Re:

          'Guilty conscience' for... what exactly? This may surprise you but it's entirely possible to disagree with a law and/or how it's applied for reasons other than feelings of guilt related to it.

          I will agree with the second half at least though, hopefully this will be overturned, because as it stands it has the potential for causing all kinds of problems.

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            PaulT (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 2:58am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            "'Guilty conscience' for... what exactly?"

            Being the strawman in his imagination. Since the corporate sycophants can't imagine any genuine reason to be against the current regime, they assume that anyone who doesn't bow down to their masters' every whim must be a pirate. You know, despite hundreds of valid complaints being discussed at length here every year.

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 5:47am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Like Otis Wright?

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 1:48pm

        Re: Re:

        I cannot imagine someone willingly allowing the law to be subverted unless they are getting a payout from allowing it to happen. Otherwise the whole court system needs a shake up if such low ethics are allowed instead of more stringent hiring practices for judges.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 6:24am

    And so, we enter the era of perpetual copyright.

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    Ninja (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 8:20am

    Oh, so copyright may be officially eternal if this holds. Who would have told Disney would get what they want without actually trying.

    New in 2116, Mickey movies remastered in ULTRA SUPER MEGA HYPER HIGH DEFINITION, 16k. And another fucking century of copyrights.

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    k-h, 3 Jun 2016 @ 1:13pm

    How does this affect the original?

    The key question is, how does this affect the original published works and the masters?

    When the original goes out of copyright and is in the public domain, is anyone else "authorised" to "remaster" them? Or does this act of remastering magically render the originals in copyright again?

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      That One Guy (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 1:30pm

      Re: How does this affect the original?

      With automated takedowns it doesn't really matter if the source material is in the public domain, the bots looking for the remastered will almost certainly target the originals as infringing and order their removal anyway.

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        k-h, 3 Jun 2016 @ 6:46pm

        Re: Re: How does this affect the original?

        I wasn't thinking about automated takedowns but what the decision means for performance copyright.

        When the original material is in the public domain, anyone is "authorised" to remix it.

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          That One Guy (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 7:17pm

          Re: Re: Re: How does this affect the original?

          Ah, I think I see what you're getting at now. Best I can figure being in the public domain would put it up for grabs for anyone to claim it, not just the original creator/owner, given being in the public domain technically gives anyone and everyone 'authorization' to use it as they wish.

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            k-h, 5 Jun 2016 @ 12:22am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: How does this affect the original?

            Yeah, but presumably anyone could "remaster" the public domain work and then copyright the new remastering it for themselves.

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        rgoes (profile), 3 Jun 2016 @ 9:42pm

        Re: Re: How does this affect the original?

        But then you are ignoring that the host site can also easily distinguish both version and that the uploader may file a counter-notice.
        I don't know how much will change regarding fake request and in this case malicious takedowns, and then I'm not sure if users may be also to sue back those companies, but at least they wouldn't be sued.
        For the providers it may be easier, as they would be very interested in keeping the old public domain versions, and don't have to pay royalties to anyone. They would just mark those files as non-targetable for takedowns.
        In my opinion, only the artist would be screwed, since the record labels will also have a copyrighted version of their work, even if they claim it back after 35 years.

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        The Wanderer (profile), 5 Jun 2016 @ 5:08am

        Re: Re: How does this affect the original?

        What happens if multiple parties remaster the (now-public-domain) original, and start filing for takedowns against each other?

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 3 Jun 2016 @ 1:51pm

    Do you suppose the "mark of the beast" people keep going on about could be copyright?

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    hopponit (profile), 4 Jun 2016 @ 4:47pm

    copywrong

    This lovely idea needs to be teamed up with something else that's out. Did you read about the takedown of an AI reinterpretation of BladeRunner? How about the AIs version being granted its own copyright for its "remaster" of BladeRunner"? If we can get that to happen maybe it will open enough cans of worms to get some push back against this nonsense.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 7 Jun 2016 @ 3:44am

    This might actually have a silver lining - if companies get it in their heads that they can extend the copyright of their works by remastering them, rather than extending copyright itself, then the original versions might be allowed to enter the public domain.

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