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UK Prime Minister Apparently Last To Realize New EU Net Neutrality Rules Mean No Porn Filtering

from the Cameron-noted-he-'doesn't-really-keep-up-with-the-news...' dept

The EU's new net neutrality "protections" are largely deserving of the scare quotes, what with their myriad loopholes and built-in provisions that allow ISPs to throttle/manipulate traffic to prevent "congestion" -- something that has yet to be the actual source of any ISP's "traffic $haping" efforts.

But what the rules did do is throw off David Cameron's ongoing plans for a porn-free UK. And, of course -- considering Cameron has no idea how ISP-level filters work, much less aware of numerous logical fallacies "supporting" his claims this will actually prevent porn consumption by minors -- the Prime Minister was the last to know.

During Prime Minister's Questions, Cameron said he realised the knock-on effect from the EU bill over breakfast.

"When I read my Daily Mail this morning, I sputtered over my cornflakes because we worked so hard to put in place these filters," he told fellow MPs.
The new neutrality rules forbid traffic discrimination (except when they don't; see above). Porn filtering at the ISP level is exactly that: blocking certain traffic simply because of its originating source. So much for Cameron's "voluntary*" porn-filtering scheme.

*under the threat of legislation

And now the man who reckons porn filtering will work because he says it will work has secured a temporary exception from the EU's new rules. How long it will last is unknown. In the meantime, Cameron will be working hard to legislate a UK-only neutrality loophole that will hopefully survive inspection by the EU. This unexpected dismantling of his slapped-together, officially unofficial porn ban has resulted in Cameron stepping up his push to upgrade "voluntary" filtering to "mandatory."
Cameron continued: "I can tell the House that we will legislate to put our agreement with internet companies into the law of the land so that our children will be protected."
LOL at agreement. "Do this or else" isn't an "agreement." Now, despite being previously voluntold by Cameron to make with the porn filtering, ISPs will now be legislated at by the shocked and worried Prime Minister. Presumably this effort will ultimately be successful, as voting against this would suggest the reluctant legislator(s) believe underage children should have access to porn, rather than said legislator(s) feeling the government shouldn't be in the business of deciding what forms of legal entertainment ISP subscribers can access.

Filed Under: david cameron, free speech, net neutrality, porn filters, uk


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    wereisjessicahyde (profile), 29 Oct 2015 @ 11:57am

    Although I disagree with the whole filtering situation it isn't as bad as this article is making out. When you sign up for a new ISP you have two options - Filtered or Not Filtered it is as simple as that.

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      Ninja (profile), 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:04pm

      Re:

      What if I don't want to get exposed as a "porn viewer" even if my intention is to avoid false positives?

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        Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 1:45am

        Re: Re:

        When I recently signed up to BT I never got asked and have no filtering.

        I think the ISPs are also ignoring Daves daft plans.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:08pm

      Re:

      And now Sir Illiterate-at-Internet wants to make it always filtered, all the time. Which means it will become even less effective.

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      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 1:57pm

      Re:

      Filtering the net on ISP-level is not a smart move. Relieve the filtering software from the ISPs and give people the option of getting it for free as soon as you change ISP.

      In that way he can still get his filter and keep net neutrality.

      But ISPs should be kept out of the censorship battles. They are too easy to abuse for circumvention of human rights.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 3:09pm

      Re:

      Until the new filters come in where the choices are Filtered or 'go on the sex offenders register'

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 11:57am

    Because all the previous british head of states were so pure under the sheets.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 11:58am

    Pig fucker Cameron wants to make porn filters mandatory.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 1:16am

      Re:

      In this case, he is really doing it for the public.

      He wants to protect us from the horror when that picture gets public.

      /sarc

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:01pm

    With all of Cameron's work to "think of the children", one would expect him to have the same response of sputtering over his cornflakes with newspaper headlines such as "The Westminster child abuse 'coverup'".

    Shame he hasn't put forth much as much effort into that as his internet filtering...

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 3:10pm

      Re:

      The pig fucking story has dimmed the lights on the child abuse enquiry quite a bit, which suits Cameron and Osborne down to the ground because it's quite obvious that their defence of paedophiles can only be because it's something they're both deeply involved with.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 10:48am

      Re:

      Maybe concern for the elite pedophiles is the reason why he is doing this. They just keep on going on about how it was so much easier to groom kids when they couldn't get porn on their own easily.

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    Ninja (profile), 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:06pm

    Cameron is possibly the worst thing that has happened to the UK in a while. If he's so worried about the children he shouldn't be forcing Orwellian laws on the citizenry. Kids in the UK are looking into a bleak future.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:15pm

      Re:

      the kids will still get to the pornz though... not going to be stopping that!

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        LeeJS (profile), 29 Oct 2015 @ 2:50pm

        Re: Re:

        Some will. Some won't because of this. If you can't plug all the holes in the bucket you're saying we shouldn't bother at all?

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          Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 3:01pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          The most likely result of the filter is that some parents feel good about protecting their kids without changing their actual access to porn. When kids reach an age that porn becomes of interest they will find a way to get hold of it.
          Like DRM, such filters fail when one person in a group can bypass their control.

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          Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 1:48am

          Re: Re: Re:

          As a child in the UK I had access to porn, and that was before the internet.

          Dave reads the Daily Fail, which says all we need to know about him. They started this ridiculous charade.

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          Ruben, 30 Oct 2015 @ 8:15am

          Re: Re: Re:

          When it comes to censoring the internet, yes.

          If you don't want your kid to see pornography, how about being a decent parent. The government isn't- and shouldn't be- a fucking babysitter.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 10:10am

          Re: Re: Re:

          "We" as a society should probably leave the parenting up to the actual parents.

          Last thing we need is some pompous prick running around plugging random holes.

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          John Fenderson (profile), 30 Oct 2015 @ 11:11am

          Re: Re: Re:

          "you're saying we shouldn't bother at all?"

          Depends on who you mean by "we". Concerned parents can install their own controls. But should the law require ISPs to do this? No.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 2:11pm

      Re:

      He is a modern Mary Winehouse. Guess Pink Floyd has some salient words for him/her.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 31 Oct 2015 @ 5:15pm

      Re:

      Anyone who claims to care about children's wellbeing and gives birth to children in this country, clearly don't care about their wellbeing.

      It's just sadistic.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:18pm

    You missed the newsworthy bit: David Cameron read the Daily Mail, this explains so much...

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    Ruby, 29 Oct 2015 @ 12:45pm

    This is about the pig, isn't it. It all started when he heard a book was being written about his adventures with the pig.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 1:08pm

    Can't have any Cameron Internet pig porn popping up, think of the children.

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    annonymouse, 29 Oct 2015 @ 1:14pm

    pigs fly the concord

    Already knowing how these filters have been put to use we know that he will continue silencing local disidents and critics by putting them on the list.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 1:15pm

    Do this or...we'll spy on you? Since that's "allowed" now and all.

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  • identicon
    Mark Wing, 29 Oct 2015 @ 2:18pm

    I'm sure they can massage the definition of net neutrality to suit their shenanigans. They could even hire a PR firm and call it something different like Net Awesomeness.

    "Net neutrality, now with 20% more sprinkles!"

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    LeeJS (profile), 29 Oct 2015 @ 2:48pm

    I don't understand the problem? If you don't want it just opt out. Simple.

    If it stops the children of just one lazy/ignorant parent accidentally viewing porn then it will be useful. This is what society should be about: protecting its most vulnerable citizens when they're unable to protect themselves.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 3:03pm

      Re:

      The chances of it achieving that are about the same as the system not blocking sites useful to kids, that is zero.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 3:06pm

      Re:

      "If it stops the children of just one lazy/ignorant parent accidentally viewing porn then it will be useful."

      God forbid a kid see a breast or a penis.

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      Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 4:51pm

      Re:

      I don't think porn is something that children are "unable" to protect themselves from. "Unwilling" maybe.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 2:55pm

    ...so that our children will be protected.
    Cameron really doesn't understand the internet, does he? The only linguistic purpose that any variant of "for the children" can now serve is that of punchline. There is no way the phrase can currently be used that won't elicit laughter.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 3:13pm

    Maybe someone misheard and Cameron was asked why he watches porn at number 10 when he said 'for the children'.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 4:06pm

    I guess he trusted what he was being told without bothering to fact check before he signed off on it.

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  • identicon
    Mark Wing, 29 Oct 2015 @ 4:57pm

    A co-worker once asked me what she could do to prevent her 15 year old son from finding porn on the Internet, and I said "Have you considered acceptance?"

    At least I kept that stuff mostly off my home network with all the kids. Being a computer expert, it was a viable bluff when I told the kids that I had a packet sniffer running on the network at all times, which told me the sites they were visiting. I think they believed that into their 20s, when they correctly guessed I was too lazy and called me on it.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 29 Oct 2015 @ 11:47pm

    Politics

    This is the thing about politics, at least in the UK: Cameron couldn't give a damn about porn, or protecting anyone from it - he just wants to look as if he does, because he thinks it will make him popular. So, who cares whether the filters work? Not him.

    And not me, since they seem to be so ineffective that I have circumvented them by accident...?

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 5:39am

    "When I read my Daily Mail this morning, I sputtered over my cornflakes because we worked so hard to put in place these filters," he told fellow MPs.

    @ David Cameron: There's your problem, Oinky, deal with that. And by "That" I mean "Stop reading a paper that regularly makes things up."

    Well now we know where he gets his policy ideas from. *Eyeroll*

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 7:39am

    "so that our children will be protected"

    ha ha ha

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    normal bloke, 30 Oct 2015 @ 7:59am

    Lol

    Hey, lets filter porn cos sex is bad!!!!!
    Hey Dad this picture of a man chopping off another mans head is so OK, after all its not porn.
    Can we watch Rambo 1 to 5 again tonight?
    No son we watched them last week! Put on Pirhanna 3DD, but make sure you cover your eyes when the boobie scenes come on!!!
    Awww! Dad!!!!

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Oct 2015 @ 3:00pm

    Wouldn't somebody think of those poor pigs that suffer sexual abuse from future politicians?!

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