Bobby Jindal Announces Violent Games/Movies To Blame For All Those Mass Shootings

from the wrong dept

Not long ago, I wrote a post about the aftermath of the Oregon mass shooting and how every media outlet would retreat to familiar stances looking to blame all manner of things on idealogical grounds. That, of course, happened. Left out of that post is how grandstanding politicians would do the same: shifting attention toward familiar punching bags while diverting attention from other targets in their own interests. One of the first to do so, as it turns out, is Bobby Jindal, who certainly doesn't get any points for originality in trotting out the violent media scapegoat to sate some of the public's need to place blame for the shooting.

First on his hitlist was Hollywood.

We glorify sick and senseless acts of violence in virtually every element of our pop culture, and we have been doing that for at least a generation. Our movies and TV shows feature a continuous stream of grotesque killing of every kind imaginable. And this is true of virtually every genre, from horror to drama to comedy. We celebrate and document every kind of deviant behavior and we give out awards to producers who can push the envelope as far as possible. Rape, torture, murder, mass murder, all are cinematic achievements.
This, obviously, is overstating things by several orders of magnitude. First, it's noteworthy that Jindal's suggestion that violent movies, ever ramping up, cause violence within the real world fly in the face of simple statistical analysis. The national murder rate, for instance, is roughly 60% of what it was in the 1970s. Does anyone want to argue that movies have become less violent since the 70s? I didn't think so. But, assuming that Jindal is solely talking about the mass shooting phenomenon, the data doesn't get any better for Jindal. An otherwise dumb opinion piece at National Review at least helpfully included the fact that, when taking the long view and looking at mass shooting incidents over the past century, they are no more common today than in the past. In fact, the high water mark for mass killings looks to have been achieved in the 1920s. Again, anyone want to argue that media in the 20s was more violent than it is today? I didn't think so.

I shouldn't have to say this, but none of this is to suggest that America doesn't have a very real violence and mass killing problem. We do. But it simply doesn't correlate to violence in movies. Nor in video games, which were Jindal's second target.
We have generations of young boys who were raised on video games where they compete with other young boys around the country and the world to see who can kill the most humans. We make it so fun, so realistic, so sensational.

Oh, we make sure that we stop them from bullying at school, but we are completely fine with them watching people get murdered and raped on the internet after school, and we are willing to let them go to the basement and join a fantasy world where they pretend they are killing people for 2 hours after school.
Quick show of hands: who is totally chill with their children watching people get murdered and raped on the internet after school every day? Actually, what the hell is Jindal talking about here? I'm fairly connected in the world of internet-ing, and I'm also a father, and I have no idea what Jindal is referring to. Where is this place where kids go to sit and watch people get raped and tortured? Is he referring to video games here, as he does in his culminating line, where kids are sitting down and super-murdering digital humans for 2 hours every day? Because does that really happen, either? Keep in mind, for all the hand-wringing over violent video games, the average age of the average gamer is going up and currently stands at something like "probably balding or in mid-management by now." For youths that find themselves playing games meant for adults, that's strictly a parenting issue, not a culture issue (for all the reasons described for violent movies above). And, regardless, there's nothing even remotely close to a scientific consensus that violent video games have any negative effect on children at all. In fact, many studies indicate there is no link between gaming and violence at all.

So what is this? Well, it's a politician employing the aftermath of tragedy to gain support, headlines, and attention so as to better compete with a god damned reality show host in a presidential election cycle. And if that doesn't make you sick, no amount of violence in movies or games will either.

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    Spike (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 6:49am

    Games don't dipict cold blooded senseless murder as often as the latest Hollywood-sourced garbage on TV. Despite not believing in the latest blame game by politicians, I'm totally sick and tired of American gun culture and related murders being overly portrayed on American TV shows. Its to the point where I lost all interest in TV, now I just wish my SO would do the same. Any new TV show can't seem to NOT have senseless killings for no good reasons using guns.

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    Spike (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 6:52am

    I'm well aware that violence seems to sell well in America, however that isn't anything to be proud of, given it sells very well in real life included, not just on a TV screen alone.

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    SteveMB (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 6:54am

    We glorify sick and senseless acts of violence


    "Mission Accomplished"

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:24am

    The Blame Game , It's a game for Citizens who detest all forms of blames made by the media and the puppet people.
    Find them ...call them out , and ask them for scientific factual data supporting their views.
    We make a list of the best to worst , at the end of the year , we vote and send out or post awards..

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:25am

    I blame politicians for all the mass shootings. If it wasn't for them running this country into the ground, families would spend less time working and more time raising their kids properly, schools wouldn't act like mini-prisons, we'd have some actual mental health facilities to deal with people with issues, and wouldn't be drugging all our kids. Then they wouldn't have to escape reality so damned often into violent entertainment.

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    ottermaton (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:30am

    Well done Tim!

    Hey Tim,

    My apologies for not mentioning this in the comments of the article in question titled "Predictable: The Fragmented Media Will Give Us All Our Post-Oregon-Shooting Outrage Blankets", but I do want you to know that is one of the most thought provoking and insightful articles I've ever read. Not just on TD, but anywhere.

    Normally when I see your name attached to an article I expect (and you deliver in spades!) humor and snarky commentary, which didn't prepare me well for your profound analysis of mass shootings and our ingestion of them.

    Just wanted to say "cheers" and keep up the great work!

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      Mike Masnick (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:49am

      Re: Well done Tim!

      Normally when I see your name attached to an article I expect (and you deliver in spades!) humor and snarky commentary, which didn't prepare me well for your profound analysis of mass shootings and our ingestion of them.

      The editorial team here at Techdirt is sorry and we will not let Tim get profound, thoughtful and analytical again.

      :)

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      Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 8:42am

      Re: Well done Tim!

      Thanks, boss!

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:34am

    thousand words

    A chart showing the causes of deaths in 2013, of which mass shootings represent one in five thousand deaths, and 1.5% of shooting deaths.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/data/2015/10/gun_deaths_other_causes.html

    But like death-by-terrorism statistics, this tiny percentage punches far above its weight.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:39am

    Guess all the history books on the civil war were wrong - it was all that violent media of the time.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:46am

    we should ban war movies because they cause governments to start wars

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    Pixelation, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:53am

    MPAA to blame

    Movies are to blame. The MAAFIA needs to accept responsibility. No one else is allowed to make money from movies and no on else should get the blame. What a horrible industry promoting mass murder!

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    kw, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:53am

    Funny, the UK gets all the same films, video games, television, and apparently rapey Internet sites, and has very few mass shootings. Or, generally, mass stabbings. Or non-ideological mass killings of people in general.

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      Wendy Cockcroft, 13 Oct 2015 @ 5:59am

      Re:

      It's easier to shoot than to stab. Victims have a better chance of fighting back against and surviving a stabbing than a shooting.

      Gun culture apologists seem to be working from a paradigm in which the would-be victim has a loaded gun ready to aim and fire the moment they're attacked. That's not what happens. No one is going to wait for you to get your gun out and get the safety catch off before they act.

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    mcinsand, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:57am

    murder rates peaked in the '20s, huh?

    What was happening in the '20s that might have affected murder rates? Could it have coincided with a group using our government to force their 'moral' choices on others? Could there possibly be a link between legislating religious ideas on others and violence? It seems like this might be happening elsewhere right now, but I can't put my finger on it. Something about Russian missiles and us not deciding which side to support.

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    RD, 9 Oct 2015 @ 7:58am

    Silly human

    Silly man, everyone knows guns are the cause of all violence. The Cause. Just get rid of all guns and there will never ever be any more violence or death for our youth.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 8:30am

    German serials glorify car crashes. Do young germans crash their cars into schools? Nope.

    But he has a point, americans have no idea what a real war is since there havent been any on US lands, and thats why they dont give a shit when their government bombs hospitals.

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    Klaus, 9 Oct 2015 @ 8:38am

    Bobby Jindal

    Never heard of him. According to the piece he's a politician. Maybe he's a thing in The States, but in Europe...

    Who knows. Maybe we've forgotten him.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 9:35am

    Of course every gamer is a violent mass murderer that's why we have hundreds of millions of people murdering each other.

    Candy crush alone is probably responsible for thousands of murders. Those heartless monsters crushing the life out of innocent pieces of candy just minding their own business

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    tom (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 9:53am

    Even if all of the 26 mass murderers(mentioned here http://www.nationalreview.com/article/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund) in the last decade were driven to commit their crimes by the horrors of violent video games, TV shows and movies, that means that approximately 300,000,000 people living in the US were NOT driven to commit mass murder because of watching or participating in violent media.

    The real horror is how quickly people on all sides of these debates start spewing out the same old tired well chewed crap each time one of these things happens.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 9:55am

    But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

    State one positive to pretending to murder people.

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      Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 9:59am

      Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

      That's not how a debate works, friend. The person asserting something has the burden of proof. In other words, all is allowed save until an argument against it can be constructed. If violent games had a net-zero benefit, then they should not be banned. A lack of benefit isn't a reason to exclude.

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      Ninja (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 11:04am

      Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

      Prevents me from doing it in real life? (note: I wouldn't murder anyone but sometimes gratuitous violence is a great way to relax a bit)

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      Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 11:13am

      Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

      In the same way playing My little Pony: Friendship leads directly to beastiality?

      Or reading the bible leads to raping your own daughters, slamming 'heathen' babies faces against rocks and burning people alive for wearing more than 1 type of cloth?

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        Ninja (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 11:39am

        Re: Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

        In the same way playing My little Pony: Friendship leads directly to beastiality?

        Do not underestimate the internet. *eyes bleed with the memory*

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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 2:01pm

        Re: Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

        You may want to look at US statistics for bestiality and child abuse before you joke about that, I would wager they're both high.

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          JP Jones (profile), 12 Oct 2015 @ 12:15pm

          Re: Re: Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

          High statistics does not mean they're caused by My Little Pony or the Bible. Correlation (if there even is a correlation) does not equal causation.

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 12:10pm

      Violent video games aren't bad regardless who says it.

      Well, for me, murder simulators are a safe sink for anxiety and distraction to depression.

      They also help me process my outrage regarding real world issues about which I'm pretty much completely helpless. (TPP, the US mass surveillance program, the CIA extrajudicial detention and interrogation program, our crazy imprecise civilion-massacring drone strike program, our law enforcement services who beat the snot out of people or gun people down and then walk away with impunity and smiles. The list goes on and on.)

      We human apes do like to moral panic about anything that someone likes that someone else doesn't. And that's what's going on here.

      (And this is, incidentally, why we can't take seriously when someone says guns are bad: too often we've seen other things pointed at as bad because stupid reasons. If people want their panics to be taken more seriously they should point and call things bad less often.)

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      Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 1:44pm

      Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

      The images in a video game are not people, they're just very colorful moving pictures. At the most, a player is pretending to delete in a very colorful way, a very colorful moving picture.

      Then again, I'm not so deluded enough to try and conflate a video game with real life or even a simulacrum of real life.

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      Anonymous Coward, 11 Oct 2015 @ 5:49pm

      Re:

      Sure, let's go with that.

      I'd also like to add that violent $100 million movies that you support aren't good, and it's true regardless who says it.

      Eat it, out_of_the_blue.

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      John Fenderson (profile), 12 Oct 2015 @ 7:12am

      Re: But that violent video games aren't good is true regardless who says it.

      Why? What does that have to do with anything?

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 9:58am

    I've been playing a lot of Classic Doom lately.

    You know who else played Classic Doom? The kids who shot up Columbine High School.

    Ergo, using this same logic, I'll eventually shoot up a school.

    Better turn myself in to the authorities before that happens.

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    all your TPP is belong to NSA, 9 Oct 2015 @ 10:49am

    yet

    yet when i get stressed real bad i go play one of these violent video games and hten feel better less angry....

    im not the only one

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 11:10am

    I'm perfectly fine with letting MY kids watch Bobby Jindal get murdered/raped (financially) in court on the witness stand.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 11:51am

    Bobby Jindal blames movies/video games for mass shootings.

    Because of course he did.

    I'm curious where he stands on drone strikes and enhanced interrogation, given that we still do it based on the Jack Bauer argument.

    Oh wait here it is: Obama is not hard enough on terror.

    Because violence is bad unless it's done to designated unlawful combatants (i.e. Lebensunwertes Leben). Even virtual violence.

    Except when Bobby Jindal says so. For reasons.

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    Glenn, 9 Oct 2015 @ 12:48pm

    This kind of violence isn't about movies or games... or guns. It's a symptom of a repressive society. And society's reaction? Let's get more repressive! ...because it's been working so well? Yeah, more laws trying to control how people live their own lives--that's the ticket!

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 11 Oct 2015 @ 11:33am

      We've known this.

      But the passing of TPP is once again imminent, turning corporations into kings so they can repress (or is it oppress) us further.

      I suspect, maybe, the rampages are soon going to get more organized.

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    Not an Electronic Rodent (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 12:52pm

    Ok... riiiight

    We glorify sick and senseless acts of violence in virtually every element of our pop culture, and we have been doing that for at least a generation.
    Uh huh...
    We have generations of young boys who were raised on video games where they compete with other young boys around the country and the world to see who can kill the most humans.
    So that's why spree killings Mr Jindal?
    We get all the same films and games you do and there's only been 3 in my lifetime that I remember in the UK, versus how many in the US? Think there may be a little more to it than that... just sayin'

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    Lawrence D’Oliveiro, 9 Oct 2015 @ 1:00pm

    Those Same Movies And Games Are Available In Other Countries ...

    ... and yet it is the USA that has the high violent crime rate.

    What’s different about the USA? The guns.

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      JEDIDIAH, 9 Oct 2015 @ 1:54pm

      Re: Those Same Movies And Games Are Available In Other Countries ...

      > ... and yet it is the USA that has the high violent crime rate.
      >
      > What’s different about the USA? The guns.

      So guns are responsible for non-gun murders (44%) in some states and non-gun beatings, burglaries, arson, and rape?

      If you're someplace where you really have to worry about being a victim of a gun crime, getting shot just the tip of the iceberg.

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      Uriel-238 (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 2:15pm

      Guns compel people to stab each other.

      Why does Russia have twice the intentional homicide rate that the US has? Do they have guns too?

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        Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 2:21pm

        Re: Guns compel people to stab each other.

        Since art is now the root cause of all evil I vote for that pitcure of a topless Putin riding a horse. I know when I see it I become filled with unfocused and abundant rage.

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      Anonymous Coward, 10 Oct 2015 @ 3:18pm

      Re: Those Same Movies And Games Are Available In Other Countries ...

      It's more the solve-problems-by-shooting-people mentality than the guns.

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      JP Jones (profile), 11 Oct 2015 @ 7:54pm

      Re: Those Same Movies And Games Are Available In Other Countries ...

      High violent crime rate compared to whom, exactly? According to Wikipedia we're 110 out of 218, yet by every count we have by far the most guns and highest rate of gun ownership by nearly double the closest other country.

      The number of guns in the US has steadily risen, yet violent crime rates have steadily decreased. I won't say that it's caused by more guns, because then I would foolishly implying that correlation implies causation. Sort of like you did.

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      MondoGordo (profile), 12 Oct 2015 @ 10:50am

      Re: Those Same Movies And Games Are Available In Other Countries ...

      What's different about the USA ? Not the guns ... many countries have relatively equivalent access to guns.

      It's The entitlement culture; winning isn't everything, it's the only thing! ie: Some people are going to "win" at any price even if that means killing a bunch of people.

      and the 24x7 News Media ... that provides them with the stage for their triumph ... notoriety is guaranteed ... fame ... even a kind of immortality ... that's the victory.

      That's whats different about the USA ... not the guns.

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    kP (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 1:42pm

    The same mistake again and again

    It's not just one thing that makes up this situation, and yet people search for THE reason. It's that sort of thinking that will never solve this issue. It's complex for a reason.

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      Anonymous Coward, 9 Oct 2015 @ 2:16pm

      Re: The same mistake again and again

      It's not just one thing that makes up this situation, and yet people search for THE reason. It's that sort of thinking that will get me votes from my fearful base...

      Translated that into politician for you.

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    Coyne Tibbets (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 2:19pm

    Typical Republican...

    ...cause and effect challenged.

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    Anon and Far, 9 Oct 2015 @ 8:45pm

    Bobby Jindal

    When I met him at LSU before he was appointed to fix the charity hospital money problem, he didn't seem to be arrogant. Bobby, Bobby, Bobby you've become such a tool. Just lowering taxes on the super rich and sticking it to the poor isn't enough. Now you want to blame media for the not-crime wave. Grow up Bobby. No one wants to hear your bullshit anymore.

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    Whatever (profile), 9 Oct 2015 @ 9:38pm

    Clearly one does much more damage with a video game than with a gun. Can't wait for the next mass school event where people are throwing around USB drives and taking people out that way.

    Guns don't kill people, video games do.

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      JP Jones (profile), 12 Oct 2015 @ 12:19pm

      Re:

      Or C) Neither.

      You know what kills people? People kill people. All the time. And have for centuries and centuries before guns or video games, and in extremely high numbers.

      Heck, if you look at the historical record, and want to use faulty "correlation = causation" logic, if anything guns and video games have steadily been reducing worldwide violence.

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    nasch (profile), 12 Oct 2015 @ 6:40am

    Meanwhile, there's something that is thought to actually contribute to these events that doesn't get talked about much as a cause: paying so much attention to them. But we can't really expect the news media to not report on them either...

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2015 @ 7:29am

    Which media is the problem again?

    Games may impart an inventory of method in the subconscious mind, but that is quite different than imparting purchase intent. Games are engineered to create a feeling of reward. FUD is engineered to create anxiety.

    So which is more likely to result in violence?

    Consider commercials like the Bayer "you are going to have a heart attack today" advertisement. From a psychology standpoint, that commercial probably CAUSES heart attacks. And there are hundreds of similar examples.

    So while games release stress, corporate advertising manufactures it. Neuromarketing techniques are used specifically for that purpose.

    So how many people who go postal suffer from anxiety or stress related disorders? And who is pumping FUD into the market making people more stressed out?

    The same guys selling anxiety meds, that's who. Who is slinging all that FUD? The same guys who are selling tragedy porn, that's who.

    Cabal news is to understanding, as drug cartels are to pain relief.

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    John85851 (profile), 12 Oct 2015 @ 12:02pm

    Every politican needs a soundbite

    And which soundbite is quicker and easier for the 24-hour news cycle to digest?
    1) I think we should look into the causes of mental illness and the reasons why people think they should express their anger by killing other human beings.
    Or:
    2) It's because of violent video games... and movies... and TV shows... and comic books.

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