Nestle Sues Fit Crunch Over Identical Trade Dress That Isn't Remotely Identical

from the virtually-dumb dept

They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. Yes, we've all heard that maxim before, but rarely does it ring so true as it does regarding the trademark case between Nestle, the candy giant, and FortiFX, much smaller makers of Fit Crunch bars. Fit Crunch bars appear to be marketed as a healthier option compared with traditional candybars. Nestle took notice of the name of the Fit Crunch bars and has claimed the name and, more importantly and central to their claim, the packaging in which they're sold, is trademark and trade dress infringement.

According to Nestle USA, which claims that Pervine's "remarkably similar packaging in combination with the confusingly similar trademark" is causing the world's biggest food company "irreparable harm", the likelihood that consumers will confuse the two products is heightened by the fact that the products are being sold to "the same consumers, in the same stores".
Writers note: as always, I want to thank Food Navigator USA for forcing me to type these pull-quotes out, because simply trying to copy/paste the relevant text generates a popup telling me all about how the text on the site is copyrighted and I may not make use of it. Except that I can, because my use falls under fair use, so Food Navigator USA can suck it.

Anyway, the fact that both bars contain the word "crunch" seems in and of itself to fail to meet the bar for trademark infringement. After all, the term is simply referring to the descriptive nature of the foodstuffs of the product, in that they crunch when eaten. Instead, the trademark infringement claim therefore has to be considererd alongside the trade dress infringement claim. And that claim rests on Nestle's description of the packaging of both products. According to Nestle's filing, "Pervine appears to have outright copied every key element of Nestle's CRUNCH Trade Dress."

As I said, a picture is worth a thousand words. Here are your outright copied packages and trade dress:



If those are identical, I am in sore need of glasses and/or new brain-matter, because those are absolutely not identical. In fact, far from being copied, I'm struggling to see what about Fit Crunch's branding is in any way similar to Nestle's beyond the use of the word "CRUNCH" and the color blue. The background images are different, the information on the packaging is different, and both packages clearly identify the source companies. Even the two candy bars themselves look completely different.

Sorry, Nestle, but this one doesn't pass the smell test.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Sep 2015 @ 11:21pm

    Mmmm
    Chocolate :)

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Sep 2015 @ 11:24pm

    Use the source, Tim!

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Sep 2015 @ 11:31pm

    I buy it

    I saw the headline, and then scrolled down to see the picture. I expected that there would be no way someone would be confused by this product. After a quick glance I think I understand where Nestlé is coming from. The colors in particular could easily lead someone to believe that these two projects are related and that they are both from Nestlé. If they had simply chosen different colors I don't think there would be any opportunity for confusion.

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      Anonymous Coward, 2 Sep 2015 @ 11:49pm

      Re: I buy it

      Yeah. A white and dark blue package, weight information in the bottom right, a red "Crunch" the most prominent word, and the brand name in white text on the left end of it. Those are presumably the "key elements" that Nestle's lawyers are referring to.

      I'd be skeptical that could meet the standards for trade dress infringement as I'm not familiar with them. However it isn't all that difficult to see where Nestle's coming from.

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        Drawoc Suomynona (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:59am

        Re: Re: I buy it

        Yeah, I agree with the previous comments. CRUNCH is used on other similar products, both descriptively and as a trademark (and there are many registrations for candy and chocolate products not owned by Nestle) but the choice to use essentially the same color scheme, the same shape, on the same or similar kind of product, seems questionable.

        I also note the use of the word "identical" in this story. The packages don't need to be identical for there to be infringement, but more to the selected wording, I don't see where the claim is made that they are identical. Not sure what the suit says, but Nestle above says "remarkably similar" and "confusingly similar", which seems accurate, and says the other product "copied every key element of Nestle's CRUNCH Trade Dress" which is debatable, but no one but the author uses the term "identical". Why employ such a word when it's not the issue or the bar that needs to be reached?

        Similarly, the author notes that both packages have the word "CRUNCH" and the color blue, but fails to note the use of red for "CRUNCH", or any of the other apparent similiarities spotted by the commenters here.

        When certain key elements of the story are overlooked or glossed over, but others are discussed in detail, it seems disingenuous and self-serving.

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      PaulT (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:42am

      Re: I buy it

      "The colors in particular could easily lead someone to believe that these two projects are related and that they are both from Nestlé"

      You're right! Plus, because they're both coloured red and white, I would totally get confused between Budweiser and Red Stripe! Happens all the time!

      Wait, never. I meant never. You'd have to be blind or an idiot to do that.

      "If they had simply chosen different colors I don't think there would be any opportunity for confusion."

      I guess they'll have to apologise for assuming that potential customers were not blind idiots. You have proven them wrong, it seems.

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        SirWired (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 9:29am

        Re: Re: I buy it

        But it's more than just the coloring that is identical... the new product is also called a "Crunch" bar, along with the angle of the name.

        If Budweiser released a beer called Bud (in small letters) RED STRIPE (in big letters written on top of a red stripe, but maybe a wider one in a different font), you can bet the Diageo would be suing A-B InBev in about thirty seconds.

        A consumer won't confuse it with an actual Crunch Bar, but they certainly could think that these people obtained a license from Nestle for the Crunch name so they could sell a "healthier" version.

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 3:48pm

          Re: Re: Re: I buy it

          Sure, ignore the Company name being completely different. Or ignore the pattern in the white. Or the giant word FIT before Crunch. Or the completely different font for the word Crunch.

          Yeah if I ignore all those flauntingly obvious difference I'd be a moron just like you!

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            BJC (profile), 4 Sep 2015 @ 6:57am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: I buy it

            I think Nestle has a non-frivolous case, but I agree with you that the bars are different-looking (especially the bar shown in the linked article) because there is a difference in what the law IS, and what the law SHOULD BE. I think Mr. Geigner does the reader a disservice by not recapping, as is done often elsewhere on TechDirt,that the law is contrary to the author's opinion but is also, in the author's opinion, deeply stupid.

            In a perfect world, we'd be able to quantify exactly what point something moved into trade dress infringement, setting it maybe to 95+%, and only allow suits when something crossed that line. Under a perfect world test, no, those bars aren't the same.

            But we're not in a perfect world. There are lots of court decisions out there on colors and shapes and positioning that make this issue pretty fuzzy, and the bars shown in the TechDirt post are close enough that, were I to use the judgment entrusted to me by several states' bars to practice law, I would not say that they are so obviously different that a suit would be frivolous, because there's a history of prior successful cases in that gray area.

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          JMT (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 6:45pm

          Re: Re: Re: I buy it

          "A consumer won't confuse it with an actual Crunch Bar, but they certainly could think that these people obtained a license from Nestle for the Crunch name so they could sell a "healthier" version."

          The tiny number of dimwitted people who would leap to that conclusion do not warrant this stupid lawsuit and it's resulting waste of everyone's time and money. Why do we always have to obsess over what the dummies might think! Do Nestle really think that (a) this lawsuit will somehow educate these dummies and they'll and stop accidentally buying a Fit Crunch under false pretenses, and (b) the resulting increase in revenue will cover the cost of the lawsuit?!

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      Berenerd (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:00am

      Re: I buy it

      The colors may be...similar...but in no way could a reasonable human be confused. That is like claiming your round peg looks amazingly like that square peg so it must reall be a square peg even though its round.

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        New Mexico Mark, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:16am

        Re: Re: I buy it

        Candy is not primarily marketed to reasonable humans making well thought-out decisions.

        FWIW, I can't distinguish a difference in the shade of blue on the two packages and they had thousands of choices, even if they were dead set on using blue.

        While I think Nestle is overreacting, my opinion is that FortiFX deliberately tried to make the packages similar enough to fool an impulsive buyer. If their product is good on its own merits, they should have tried to be as different as possible in order to establish an unequivocal look to their brand.

        Of course, our opinions don't matter that much. What will matter is which side can convince a jury.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:43am

        Re: Re: I buy it

        Well it is obvious that these are two different products.

        What is not obvious is if the two products are related or made by the same manufacturer.

        A quick glance someone might mistake the Fit Crunch for a more healthy Crunch bar.

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      David (profile), 26 Aug 2017 @ 12:10pm

      Re: I buy it

      I wouldn't mistake it for a Crunch bar but I would assume it was a derivative or licensed product. In this case, I agree with Nestle.

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    Scote, 2 Sep 2015 @ 11:35pm

    That looks like a deliberate attempt to leverage Nestle's trade dress to me, down to identical shades of red and blue, the word "CRUNCH" on a rising diagonal, surrounded by a jagged outline. Identical? No, but there is also pretty much no way the similarity is accidental.

    I'm against the over enforcement of trademarks, as with Monster Cable, Intel, etc. But this looks potentially legit to me. It's snack food, too, not some completely different category (even if one is supposed to be healthier).

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      Klaus, 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:07am

      Re:

      Granted, however, I'm willing to bet that both Nestle & Pervine spend an shed load of time & effort on market research. Packaging is critical to selling products. Their analysts will be telling them precisely which colours and shades sell best to their key demographics, what the optimum size and shape of bars is, which fonts to use, etc.

      I don't see anything sinister in two snack bars being similar.

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        Klaus, 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:20am

        Re: Re:

        Actually, I'm going to refute my own comment here. I've just been to our break-out room where we have one of those snack machines. If what I said earlier about market research was true, I'd expect all snack bars to look vaguely similar, but they don't.

        There's quite a motley collection in there...

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          Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:00am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Yeah, trademark issues aside, companies generally want their product to stand out from the competition. "Rectangular brown packed with 'chocolate' written on it" is something practically anyone who makes a chocolate bar can get away with. Few of them wish to do that, because they want consumers grabbing their chocolate bar, not grabbing one at random because they all look more or less the same.

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    Ian W, 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:05am

    Not that this is really the right place to post this comment/advice, (and I think the call-out is probably more to make a point than a lack of tech knowledge) but re:
    Writers note: as always, I want to thank Food Navigator USA for forcing me to type these pull-quotes out, because simply trying to copy/paste the relevant text generates a popup telling me all about how the text on the site is copyrighted and I may not make use of it. Except that I can, because my use falls under fair use, so Food Navigator USA can suck it.

    As much the web site *think * they can protect such content, consider looking at the source page ( or as the anonymous coward says - use the source, Tim):
    Firefox: Tools | Web Developer | Page Source
    Internet Explorer: View | Source
    Chrome: More Tools | View Source

    http://www.wikihow.com/View-Source-Code

    A little copy/pasting and you'll save the typing!
    Folks - no flaming pls - it's fair use!

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      Scote, 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:13am

      I'm rather certain Timothy Geigner knows that, and has specific reasons for not taking the shortcut you mention to avoid the stupid and trivial copy block DRM.

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        PaulT (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:45am

        Re:

        Yeah, it's better to point out that the site is manned by morons who think that they can "protect" their content that way rather than use the trivial bypass and let them get away with such inanity.

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        Dark Helmet (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 3:47am

        Re:

        Actually, yes, I was forced to learn how to use the source page the very first story I did linking back to this site. I still tend to write the pull quotes out if they aren't too long, though, as this one was....

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      Sheogorath (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:37am

      Re:

      In addition, Opera Mini (possibly other versions): server:source in the address bar.
      Folks - no flaming pls - it's fair use!
      Correct, and the Copyright Act 1976 stipulates that fair use isn't infringement of copyright.

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      Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:26pm

      Re:

      You can also add NoScript to Firefox and disable the scripts to that sight and copy directly. Or even print to PDF, XPS, etc. and copy from there.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:24am

    I'm guessing Nestlé's corporate lawyers needed some justification for the amount of hours they're billing...

    Other than that: what Ian W said.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:49am

    Writers Note

    Just use NoScript. Safer browsing and I can copy paste all I want on Food Navigator USA without doing anything extra.

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    JJ Dane, 3 Sep 2015 @ 3:08am

    Moron in a hurry

    Judging from the pics I think Nestle actually has a pretty poor case here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 4:07am

    Wow. Techdirt should hire someone who actually understands trademark law if they're going to be making legal determininations. Having Tim childishly saying things like "suck it" while brutally mangling the doctrine just makes Mike look bad. Not that he cares, obviously.

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      Berenerd (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:19am

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      Try harder, you make trolls look bad...

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      PaulT (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:48am

      Re:

      One of these days, you morons might actually provide facts instead of whining. What did he get wrong? What didn't he understand? What explains the issues being discussed? What's a good reference for people to use to clarify these issues in future?

      Who knows, you won't bother saying. But you managed to get a couple of attacks in while saying nothing, so who cares, right?

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      Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 6:19am

      Response to: Anonymous Coward on Sep 3rd, 2015 @ 4:07am

      [citation needed]

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 4:47am

    You might be able to use something like wget to get the HTML directly. Alternately, turning off your javascript should allow you to bypass their security.

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    Spaceman Spiff (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:20am

    Boycotting Nestle

    Well, since Nestle is ripping off the US taxpayer for our water, I am boycotting all Nestle products. I guess I'll have to try out FitCrunch! Go suck on them eggs Nestle!

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    Thrudd, 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:38am

    crunch?

    I wonder what Cadbury will have to say if they get pulled in?
    Will they pull any punches when it comes to the crunches?

    I like my Crunch to be Crispy and not just chocolatey coated breakfast cereal.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:52am

    They are not similar.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 6:25am

    The real story should be about why Nestle would go to such lengths to defend the saddest candy bar in existence. The only thing all that tastless puffed rice does is reduce my overall chocolate share in the bar.

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      Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:00am

      Re:

      They were good once, ending around Halloween 1993, possibly 1994. Since then I wonder who buys them, especially full size bars, I don't think I have ever seen someone eat one who did not regret it as soon as that first bite was taken.

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        Sheogorath (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:15pm

        Re: Re:

        I have to agree with you. In the 00s, I was able to try various types of candy thanks to a small shop in Shipley. Whilst you guys have something going on with Lifesavers and Hot Tamales, when it comes to chocolate, either we Brits are really spoilt or you Americans have no taste buds. Peanut Butter Cups would actually be edible if they were made with more cocoa solids and less cocoa fat. :)

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          Uriel-238 (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 5:40pm

          It's a mass market thing.

          Hershey and Mars chocolate are waxy and untempered. They may also use non-chocolate flavorings.

          We have some specialty American chocolates still but many of them have been bought up by Hershey and are now supplied by a single Artisan factory in Chicago. I miss having the small Scharffen Berger plant in Oakland.

          Ghirardelli still makes chocolate in San Leandro but they're owned by Lindt now, so I can't say if their quality has changed.

          What's interesting to me is the Hershey and Mars mass market chocolate is crap and expensive, while I can get imports at significantly cheaper prices, but I buy bulk, and the mass market stuff aims for the single-serving sizes in concession aisles.

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            Sheogorath (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:17pm

            Re: It's a mass market thing.

            Ghirardelli still makes chocolate in San Leandro but they're owned by Lindt now, so I can't say if their quality has changed.
            Possibly, possibly not; it all depends on what the quality was in the first place since Lindt know what quality is when it comes to food (in the UK, at least). I just wish that knowledge extended to 501s so they quit donating to one that recommends warehousing Autistic people in a place where shock collars are used as 'treatment'.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:42pm

        Re: Re:

        "They were good once, ending around Halloween 1993, possibly 1994"

        This says more about how old you are than the quality of chocolate.
        (you'd be somewhere between 30 and 34)

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    F.J. Bergmann (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 6:47am

    design rip-off

    If I were to design packaging "inspired" by the Nestlé bar wrapper, this would be it. At a casual glance, there are far too many similarities. Well-known products reassure consumers; this is a deliberate attempt to ride the coattails of a popular, familiar snack, and should be penalized as such.

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    Don Wood, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:11am

    Nestle' Crunch

    I don't quite completely agree with you, on this one. I can see obvious similarities and understand their concern. I'd hate to have to decide.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:17am

    You can copy Food Navigator USA in Pale Moon. Also you browser probably as a view-source or anti-JavaScript feature.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:26am

    Tim:
    View Source.

    Or, even better: disable JavaScript entirely in your primary browser. The Web is such a better place without it. (obviously, keep another browser around as a script ghetto)

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      Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 9:16am

      Re:

      You wouldn't be circumventing a technical measure to prevent copying, would you? I mean, doesn't that make you *criminally* liable, even if your use is fair use?

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:35am

    this happens all the time, it isn't a bigger company going after a smaller company just to bully them, they (Nestle) are enforcing their trademarks or else they could lose it.

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    SirWired (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 7:38am

    I'd have sued too

    They used the same shades of blue and red, the word "crunch" is at a similar angle, and of course it features the "Crunch" name most prominently.

    A "Trade Dress" claim does not mean that the two are so close that if you aren't paying attention you'll grab the wrong one; it's an attempt to trade off the reputation of a brand you don't own by selling something that a reasonable consumer thinks is the same brand.

    If they'd called it a "FitCrunch", used a lighter shade of red and a darker shade of blue, you could have an argument, but this seems pretty clear-cut to me.

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      DannyB (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 9:58am

      Re: I'd have sued too

      I have to agree.

      When I first glanced at those pictures. My immediate gut reaction was that these were from the same company.

      Now, looking closer, it is obvious that they aren't.

      But I think Nestle has a case here.

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        Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 10:25am

        Re: Re: I'd have sued too

        I did not think that they were from the same company, as one has a clean design announcing the bars name, and the other rather more cluttered with extra information about the bar.

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          DannyB (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 12:43pm

          Re: Re: Re: I'd have sued too

          I was just talking about first glance.

          My immediate reaction was that of similarity.

          Until I looked closer.


          Usually on these kinds of TD posts my first reaction is to instantly notice how different they are.

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        JMT (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 6:48pm

        Re: Re: I'd have sued too

        "Now, looking closer, it is obvious that they aren't."

        And that's are far as it should ever go. These lawsuits benefit nobody but the lawyers.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:08am

    Look at store brands

    Seems to me that a whole lot of items on the grocery shelves have both "name brands" and "generic store brands", where the store brands absolutely make an effort to mimic the look of the name brands. It's really obvious in the cereal isle.

    Makes me wonder how they decide who is worth pursuing.

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      SirWired (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:29am

      Re: Look at store brands

      That one's easy. Manufacturers that want to not go bankrupt try to avoid suing their own distributors (i.e. grocery stores) if they can at all help it.

      In any case, as long as the store brand is quite prominent, most people understand that BillyBob's Grocery "Crispy Rice" is not endorsed by Kellogg's, even if they chose to package it in a light-blue box.

      If Kellogg's made an issue about it, you can be sure that BillyBob's (while they might comply with the request) is never going to put a Kellogg's product on an end-cap, feature it in a sale ad, or put it on a shelf other than the tippy-top one ever again.

      In this case, it's NOT a store brand, it's an outright competitor that a consumer could easily think had gotten a "Crunch" license from Nestle due to the package similarities.

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        Drawoc Suomynona (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:44am

        Re: Re: Look at store brands

        Good comments SirWired. You have a firm grasp of the issues.

        Manufacturers and grocery do occasionally have disputes over house brands and stuff like this, but they tend to settle it quietly and quickly, as they have a vested interest in working with each other.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:12am

    Right To Click addon has served me well.

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    jupiterkansas (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:46am

    If I saw that on a shelf I'd instantly assume it was some new version of a Nestle Crunch bar. It's hard to keep up with all the varieties of candy these days.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 8:59am

    For all the commenters about Mr. Geigner's "shout out":

    There are website creaters/authors/coders who need shouting in their ears that their website formatting or code SUCKS! Food Navigator's is obviously one of them.

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    tom (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 9:23am

    I wish to thank Nestle lawyers for bringing the Robert Irvine Fortifx FitCrunch bar to my attention. I now have plans to buy a FitCrunch and try it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 9:32am

    On first glance, I could easily assume that Nestle is trying out a new "Crunch" product. This wouldn't be the first time a chocolate bar has attached the same name onto a different "version" of the product.

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    Anonmylous, 3 Sep 2015 @ 9:53am

    The colors are different. Call both companies and I guarantee you their pantone palettes are different (the colors look different on my monitor but that means nothing as they could have been taken in different lighting with far different camera settings). So in a general sense, its white, blue and red. In a specific sense, its completely different. This may seem trivial but its very important their production and marketing departments.

    Fit Crunch also:
    Uses a picture of the product on the packaging.
    Uses a different font for the word Crunch
    Uses no drop shadow for the word Crunch
    Uses an outline on the letters of the word Crunch, then a stamp, then an accent around the whole in opposing colors to the background.
    Puts the word Crunch on a horizontal axis, Nestle tilts theirs.
    The company name is in black, in a different font, with additional brand graphic below in a 3rd pantone red color PLUS an orange.
    Splits the top and bottom half of the packaging into 2 colors, Nestle uses a color on field
    Has additional red element flag in upper right with nutrition details
    Has additional grey elements, Nestle uses only 3 colors.

    From a design standpoint the packages are incredibly dissimilar and even though your average person is NOT a graphic artist, I am certain no child would look at this and think it was a Nestle Crunch bar.

    Crunch is Crunch, not cookies and cream, doesn't have white filling, is not 1/2 inch thick and narrow, and is usually broken in the package already for easier consumption.

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      Sheogorath (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:36pm

      Re:

      Crunch is Crunch, not cookies and cream, doesn't have white filling, is not 1/2 inch thick and narrow, and is usually broken in the package already for slightly greater convenience during consumption.
      FTFY, Anonmylous. :p

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 10:30am

    Is Nestlè a respected name brand now?

    Throughout my childhood, Nestlė was a Golden Poo company if there ever was one, who engaged in tons of unethical practices to drive out local competitors or sell false products, in some cases directly causing famine in regions. (famine = mass starvation = lots of people including babies and little children dying because fuck 'em, they're brown)

    Has Nestlè been able to get past their 20th century crimes?

    Because if I were Pervine, I'd want to associate myself with Nestlę as little as feasibly possible, paint the package orange, call it Munch and put a Totally not a Nestlě product disclaimer.

    Nestlȅ is the Comcast of food. You buy from them because there's no other company that makes the thing you need. Hard to do because most of the the food companies out there are Nestlȇ subsidiaries.

    Amusingly enough, Nestlӛ itself isn't American, it's Swiss, and demonstrates that sociopathic companies can spawn from anywhere, not just the hypercapitalism of the US.

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    Uriel-238 (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 10:38am

    Food Navigator USA's sucky sucky copypasta-blocking...

    ...is disabled by Noscript and is probably blocked by most other script-blockers.

    I hate when websites do that, and think an emergency copy-paste plug-in that bypasses scripts would be a grand thing.

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    Sledge, 3 Sep 2015 @ 11:06am

    I just want to note that Fit Crunch is available in multiple flavours and only one of them uses the blue colour.
    That said this was inevitable because they are both making chocolate bars with the name Crunch in them. They would be fighting even if the appearance was ridiculously different.

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      SirWired (profile), 3 Sep 2015 @ 1:24pm

      Re:

      Well, that actually clarifies things a bit. They probably chose that color for the background because it's the blue used on Oreo bags, and this is the Cookies 'n Cream flavor.

      Nevertheless, it DOES look similar enough to the Nestle Crunch trade dress that it still needs changing. It was likely not a malicious choice to ape the Nestle Crunch trade dress, but that doesn't mean it's not too similar.

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    Aaron Toponce, 3 Sep 2015 @ 11:59am

    Doesn't pass the "moron in a hurry" test

    As is mentioned hundreds of this time about trademark infringement, it must pass the "moron in a hurry" test to not infringe on a mark. I don't think this does. The colors come from the same palette, the "CRUNCH" is all capitalized, and the image of a chocolate bar on the wrapper can give you the impression this is a Nestle product.

    Are the marks identical? No. Does the Fit Crunch bar infringe on Nestle's mark? Likely.

    I'm surprised that Timothy Geigner has the opinion in this post that he does. If this "Fit Crunch" were, say, a product for abdominal crunches, using a different color palette, then I would agree with the opinion. In this case, however, I think it's fair to call this infringement.

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    David, 3 Sep 2015 @ 2:20pm

    The two pictures on the FoodNavigator site would be very hard to confuse. The two pictures here on TechDirt, however, could be confused very easily (not as an identical product, but as a very closely related product that might be sold by the same company).

    Whether it's close enough to be infringing is obviously a decision for the courts, but it's close enough that I wouldn't immediately toss the case out.

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    Anonymous Coward, 3 Sep 2015 @ 10:32pm

    Nestle murdered TENS OF THOUSANDS of babies in Africa so even if they're legally in the right here, I still hope they get royally fucked by this lawsuit to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

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    jaquer0 (profile), 6 Sep 2015 @ 4:27am

    I think Nestle has a reasonable point

    If I were looking for a snack at a convenience store and Nestle Crunch were among the ones I'd be likely to buy, among three or four others, the color scheme and prominent display of the word "Crunch" might lead me to pick this one up thinking it was Nestle's. Even if I noticed the packaging is a little different I might just dismiss the thought because it must be a different size or simply a refresh in the packaging.

    I might even observe that this is no longer a "Nestle Crunch" but a "Fit Crunch," and chuckle to myself about Nestle trying to pass it off as a healthy snack.

    I think the writer's defense of this very blatant attempt by a competitor to abuse for its own advantage the brand equity of Nestle's product borders on the ridiculous. It's the exact same shade of the main color. It's the exact same main word. It's a very similar layout on the front of the package. This was done consciously with malice aforethought.

    You might say, only a minority will confuse the two products, buying the wrong one. That may be, but even a smallish minority of a few percent is enough for that infringement to unfairly harm Nestle. In addition, there may be many times that number of Nestle Crunch consumers whose eye is caught by the very similar packaging and, even after realizing the products aren't the same, a few will just decide to try it instead of Nestle's item?

    And let's be honest: is there anyone who doubts for a moment this identification overlap between the two products is precisely what the maker of the "Fit" product wanted?

    The only debate is whether this "catch the attention of consumers" effect by using the same most prominent word, very similar placement on the package, and identical main color on the bottom half of the packaging should be considered wrong or not.

    And remember: this is not like buying a car or even making a $100 purchase. This is a $1.00 purchase and so the identification will be made at a glance, usually without a second thought.

    That is the reality, and what it means is this: IMHO, that "trade dress" is intended to take advantage of consumer familiarity with Nestle's brand, and its reputation and standing, through at least an initial and momentary confusion, which, in a minority of cases, will lead to a person paying for the Fit snack thinking they were buying the Nestle one. It may be only one out of 20 or even 50, but it is going to happen.

    And then you have some additional number of lost sales to Nestle among those who would not have considered this alternative save for the initial confusion with the Nestle product.

    Now if Fit had diverted sales from Nestle by calling its snack "Communist Revolution" and advertising it's redder-than-a-firetruck packaging by completely buying out every last ad space during the Superbowl, fair enough. But not by calling its product "crunch" and packaging it in such a way that at first glance, it seems to be the other company's product.

    Just think about how this product is actually sold. You don't go to a candy bar showroom and pick up the literature on the models you're interested in, go home and read it, come back, haggle over the price and so on, and finally try to arrange financing. Instead, you stand in front of a rack with many dozens of these items feeling your stomach growling and out of the corner of your eye you spot the familiar blue of one of your favorites, and as you pick it up you notice they've changed the packaging a little, but, yeah, it's "crunch."

    That's a swindle, because NO ONE stops to consider the packaging in the detailed, systematic, anal-retentive way this article poses.

    If *this* is not infringement, then only direct, immediate fraud, where some other sugar water is sold in those curvy Coca-Cola bottles, would constitute infringement, and the legal concept of infringement of trademarks and trade dress would loose all meaning, since the only prohibited conduct would simply be outright fraud.

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      Not a coward phag, 9 Nov 2015 @ 1:12pm

      Re: I think Nestle has a reasonable point

      Ur way overthinking this, Its a protein bar its not even sold in the same stores. Not to mention a fit crunch bar is like 4 bucks compared to a dollar nestle bar. Nobodies confusing the two

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    Kronomex, 7 Sep 2015 @ 2:51pm

    Oh no, now I know why I've been getting fatter lately. I've mistaken Nestle Crunch for the Fit Crunch bar. Darn these companies that use identical packaging.

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    Not a coward phag, 9 Nov 2015 @ 1:07pm

    Why do you keep calling him pervine is that supposed to be an insult? What is the guy a skinner or something? He touching little boys?

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    coward???, 9 Nov 2015 @ 1:09pm

    So if people who dont post with a name are cowards then what are people who are scared to leave the comments section unmoderated?

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