Premier League Uses Copyright To Pull Down YouTube Video Of Professor Advocating For Stronger Copyright For Premier League

from the circular-reasoning dept

Via Bas Grasmayer we learn that the English Premier League and its insane take on copyrights has struck again. We've written many times before about the Premier League and its wacky belief that every possible use of its content must be licensed. Just a few weeks ago, it said that it would start taking down animated gifs and 6-second Vine videos of goals, even though it knew this would piss off fans. Still, the Premier League said it had to do this because "copyright."

The Institute for Information Law (IViR) recently held its Information Influx event, and it included a panel discussion on "Who Owns the World Cup?" discussing the very question of copyright and sports clips. IViR put video of all the sessions online, but if you go visit the "Who Owns the World Cup" video, you'll see this instead:
Yes, that's right, the entire video of a discussion on the copyright issues around sharing tiny clips of football/soccer videos was taken down by the Premier League, because one of the panelists showed a brief clip to raise some of the questions concerning copyright issues.

Amazingly, it appears that the only clips of Premier League matches were shown in a presentation by Prof. Lionel Bently who was arguing in favor of stronger copyright protection for sporting events. As Thomas Margoni from IViR explains in his post about this, this seems like an "own goal" for the Premier League, abusing copyright law to censor a legal discussion in which the "offender" is advocating on their own behalf:
It is not unlikely that the FA Premier League requested the removal on a semi-automatic basis without really watching the video (a sort of good faith mistake) and hopefully YouTube will reinstate the video soon. In spite of the abovementioned brilliant intervention by a leading IP scholar arguing in favor of more (copyright) protection for sporting events, I am inclined to say that right now, looking at the disconsolate face that appears instead of the video on the blocked YouTube webpage, sports organizers have enough rights as it is.

Not so much a penalty as an own goal.
But, you know, gotta take it down, because "copyright."

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    NotPremiereLeague, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 12:37pm

    Fair use - file with a lawyer, let them spend thousands of hours and hit the league with the legal bill.

    Profit.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 12:42pm

    Someone arguing for stronger copyright law, making fair use of other peoples works, and then getting taken down, the worm of copyright is eating its own tail!

     

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    radarmonkey (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 1:06pm

    Has anyone reached out to Prof. Lionel Bently to ask him how he feels being labeled a copyright thief by the Premier League? I, for one, would be interested in his reaction.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 1:18pm

    first rule of copyright club:
    1: don't talk about copyright club.

     

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    Geno0wl (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 1:19pm

    Wake up Goal

    Now this should be a stiff wake up call to the professor in question about why harsh use of copyright is a stupid.
    But who wants to bet he doesn't learn that lesson.

     

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    ofb2632 (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 1:24pm

    Theft

    Since so many companies use takedowns as a weapon, can't they be sued for theft? When i have a 'vine' and some entity takes that 'vine' from me, isn't that the definition of theft?

     

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    jackn, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 2:17pm

    Re: Theft

    a new twist on 'Theft' and copyright?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 2:34pm

    To paraphrase the old Chinese curse "May you get what you wish for."

     

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    ofb2632 (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 2:35pm

    Re: Re: Theft

    Yes, it is. If they can use copyright, why can't we use 'theft'?

     

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    orbitalinsertion (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 2:39pm

    There is nothing of good faith in automated takedown notices. Sorry, Professor.

     

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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 2:57pm

    Nice timing

    NBC, which has been pushing the Premier League in the States ought to be pissed. (In the American sense. The Premier League is apparently pissed in the British sense.)

     

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    Guardian, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 4:15pm

    @6 go watch star trek

    well NO cause in this case i use the replicator make the same vine and walk off with a duplicate and you are not even truly harmed....your vine grows its grapes and you get more drunk stupid

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 4:54pm

    Live by the sword, die by the sword

    Since the professor who had his work taken down was in favor of stronger copyright on the part of Premier League, I'm sure he sees absolutely no problem with having the video of his argument removed on copyright grounds.

    Well, unless he's one of those hypocrites who sees no problem with other people's stuff being taken down, but throws a fit when the law is used against him for once...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 6:41pm

    Mike Masnick just hates it when copyright law is enforced.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 3rd, 2014 @ 9:47pm

    "Amazingly, it appears that the only clips of Premier League matches were shown in a presentation by Prof. Lionel Bently who was arguing in favor of stronger copyright protection for sporting events."

    Typical IP extremists not holding themselves up to the same standards they hold everyone else up to. Hypocrites.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 4th, 2014 @ 1:19am

    Re:

    actually, Prof. Lionel Bently in this case, as decided by the Premier League, is a willful serial copyright violator, because:

    1. he knowingly and willfully included that content in his presentation

    2. his presentation on this topic is presented at other meetings too. I still have not yet met a scholar who does a particular presentation on a single topic only ONCE.
    When giving a presentation at multiple venues they all usually tweak it, change very few words here and there, as you would when tending a small bonsai tree, but the main content is always the same. This makes him a serial copyright violator.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 4th, 2014 @ 4:16am

    Re:

    There once was an average joe
    Who worked as an average ho
    He met with Chris Dodd
    Stripped down his Chris bod
    And gave him an average blow

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 4th, 2014 @ 8:45am

    Re:

    I don't know why this was flagged, I'm pretty sure this was a sarcastic post.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Sep 4th, 2014 @ 6:16pm

    Re: Re:

    It wasn't, they post that exact same line pretty much every time 'copyright' is mentioned.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 5th, 2014 @ 8:29am

    Re: Re:

    No, average_joe and his chucklefuck pals really are that stupid.

     

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