Another Online Retailer Thinks It Can Charge Customers For Complaining; Now Facing Lawsuit In New York
from the the-way-to-make-money-without-providing-products-or-services dept
KlearGear’s unprecedented $3,500 charge for customer complaints tossed whatever little reputation it had down the drain and it’s abusive actions earned it a $300,000 judgement when a former customer took it to court. Of course, the company only exists as a half-assed website and handful of remailing services. Someone named Vic Mathieu claimed the company is actually run by Descoteaux Boutiques out of France, and as such, is out of reach of the judgement.
The Consumerist has come across another online retailer that thinks it can charge customers if they even think about complaining, one that also has no real representatives and whose address is a UPS store.
If you were put off by KlearGear.com’s ridiculous “Non-Disparagement” fee, which penalizes customers for sharing their bad shopping experiences with the public, another online retailer is apparently trying to go one further, by not only banning customers from saying bad things online, but by also forbidding them from even bringing up the threat of a complaint or a credit card chargeback.
Buried at the bottom of the Terms page for OnlineAccessoryOutlet.com, you’ll find the following insanely overreaching stipulations (bolded for emphasis):
“You agree not to file any complaint, chargeback, claim, dispute, or make any public forum post, review, Better Business Bureau complaint, social media post, or any public statement regarding the order, our website, or any issue regarding your order, for any reason, within this 90 day period, or to threaten to do so within the 90 day period, or it is a breach of the terms of sale, creating liability for damages in the amount of $250, plus any additional fees, damages – both consequential and incidental, calculated on an ongoing basis.”
The Terms also claim the customer agrees that, even after the 90 days are up, the “sole method of dispute resolution in all cases… shall be binding arbitration to take place in New York City, with all expenses paid by the respective parties.”
Yes, this is from the same company that states this on its About Us page:
We stand behind every sale and make every effort to satisfy each customer. Our goal is to ensure each customer has the most pleasurable and stream-lined ordering process when using our site, and that they save the most money always.
Nothing about the company’s reputation backs that up. In addition to the experience of the customer filing a lawsuit against Accessory Outlet (with the assistance of Public Citizen — PDF link), numerous complaints can be found elsewhere on the web. Almost every complaint is the same: Accessory Outlet ships crappy knockoffs of name-brand products… if it ships anything at all. Customer service, what there is of it, largely consists of stalling tactics and threats.
There’s nothing customer-friendly about its Terms of Service and its return policy is just as antagonistic.
Final sale items may not be returned or exchanged for any reason – they are sold as-is, with all sales final… Additional Restrictions: All Lifeproof, Otterbox, Mophie and Apple brand products are not eligible for return or exchange for any reason. Special order, customized, or personalized items are not eligible for return or exchange for any reason. All cosmetic items are not eligible for return or exchange. All refurbished/reconditioned products are final sale, with no returns or exchanges permitted.
Oddly enough, Lifeproof, Otterbox and Apple products are the ones listed most in complaints. According to customers, these are not authentic products, but are cheap knockoffs with design issues and cosmetic flaws. Some are completely unusable.
Trying to cancel or modify an order after submitting will also trigger a $250 fee. “Breaching” the extremely restrictive return/exchange policy will do the same thing.
The ultimate problem here is not just the lousy products backed by worse policies enforced by truly abysmal human beings. It’s that Online Accessory Outlet is nothing more than a roving scam operation designed to take money from people in exchange for terrible products. The company has no real address, no real point of contact and has operated a variety of websites featuring the same products and policies. Everything posted on its site with the intent of touting its “trustworthiness” is a lie, as the Consumerist discovered.
For fun and giggles, we’ve written to the three other organizations touted on the site — Angie’s List, buySAFE, and Trusted Shops — to confirm that these endorsements are also false.
We’ve heard back from a rep for buySAFE, who confirmed that Accessory Outlet is not certified.
“The seal you see is an old, bad copy of a buySAFE seal,” explains the rep.
And a rep for Angie’s List says there is no way Accessory Outlet could have won a Super Service Award — which requires perfect scores — because it has no reviews on the site.
“They have no reviews, which equals no grade,” explains the Angie’s rep. “They aren’t SSA winners and shouldn’t be using the badge.”
And a rep for Trusted Shops, which does not certify companies in the U.S. says Accessory Outlet is definitely not certified by the service.
The lawsuit names “Accessory Outlet” at onlineaccessoryoutlet.com. But the Better Business Bureau — while noting that the company does not have the A+ rating it claims to on its website — lists two other URLs the company has used.
http://www.eaccessoryoutlet.com/
http://www.trueaccessory.com/
The first URL redirects to onlineaccessoryoutlet.com and the other to nothing at all. It has also done business as Acctown (also with an F rating from the BBB), which still has a functional website and carries much of the same wording in its Terms of Service (although there is a $50 price break — $200 instead of $250 for thinking about complaining). It may be even worse, considering simply using the website supposedly makes you subject to the terms and conditions.
You agree not to file or initiate any complaint, chargeback, dispute, public comment, forum post, website post, social media post, or any claim related to any transaction with our website and/or company. By using our website, making any purchase, or conducting any transaction with us, you agree to all terms and conditions stated herein. Any action in breach of this agreement that causes reversal of any payment in full or in part shall result in a collections action for the full or partial order total (the amount reversed) plus an additional $50. You agree that any breach of this agreement shall also constitute liability in the amount of $200 plus any related costs directly or indirectly relating from any such breach. These costs shall be collected using a collections agency and/or civil action in New York. You agree that the exclusive forum for any dispute or claim relating to any transaction conducted through our website shall be New York.
Acctown also has its own set of complaints about shoddy products and orders that never arrived.
The current address for Online Accessory Outlet is a remailer. Its contact person (found through complaint sites, not its actual site) is likely as authentic as the glowing 5-star reviews artificially pumping up its rating (as True Accessory) at TrustPilot. Roger Klein, the supposed “Marketing Director” of True Accessory/Online Accessory Outlet updated the company’s Manta profile at some point, claiming it’s been in business since 2011. True Accessory’s history at the Internet Archive only traces back to early 2014, which is in line with the complaints filed. (Feb. 2014 is the first archived version. Complaints begin piling up in March.) The horrendous terms of service went into place almost immediately, although the fees started at $200 rather than $250. Despite the website being shut down, a Facebook page for True Accessory (sporting a very suspicious 2,158 likes) is still live, though apparently unattended.
Unlike KlearGear, contact through email has been successful for customers with complaints, although those complaints are met with threats. (Its only listed phone number now simply states “Customer service is not available” and dumps you directly into voice mail.) From the lawsuit:
Accessory Outlet emailed Cox back, stating that Cox would face a $250 penalty for contacting her credit card company, that Accessory Outlet would send her account to a collections agency, and that “[t]his will put a negative mark on your credit for 7 years and will also result in calls to your home and/or work.” The email continued: “Further, additional fees for any correspondence with your card issuer will also be billed to you on an hourly basis and a flat rate $50 fee for the dispute or claim.”
A later email was even more direct about the company’s desire to punish Cox for complaining.
Contact your lawyer, spend more time and money if you wish. You will be billed and the amount we will bill you for will continue to rise with every email and every second we dedicate to correspondence of any kind pertaining to your breach of the terms of sale. Thank you.
The problem with pursuing shady companies like this is that there’s no one to hold accountable. Multiple addresses and multiple URLs suggest someone’s trying to make as much money as they can before being forced to bury one name and resurface as a “new” business. So, all you can do is try to steer people away from these companies. The Streisand Effect is greatly blunted when the entity on the other end obviously doesn’t care what customers think of them, just as long as it attracts enough suckers to make its sales of cheap knockoffs profitable.
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Comments on “Another Online Retailer Thinks It Can Charge Customers For Complaining; Now Facing Lawsuit In New York”
I’m curious if, with enough complaints, a case could be brought to the major payment companies to stop all payments to those companies.
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Nah, its not like they’re airing the governments dirty secrets.
Re: Maybe on a case-by-case basis.
When I tried in good faith to contact a travel agency to cancel a flight (after I bought the last-minute-changes insurance at that) I was able to successfuly get AMEX to nullify the charges on the grounds that their customer service was totally labyrinthine and useless.
This seems like a contemporary-era clip-joint racket. I suspect the big credit cards each have policies about how to manage incidents of such activity. Especially those that tout “buyers’ insurance”
Doesn’t solve the bigger problem of the racket continuing to exist, though.
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Better yet subpoena the payment records to find out who they really are. Follow the money.
If Angie’s List, buySAFE, and Trusted Shops want to stay being relevant, they each need to sue Accessory Outlet for using their badges/names whatever. And sue it big time.
If they are unwilling to protect their own “seal of approval”, what’s the point of looking for those accreditation at all? Anyone can just use fake it and mislead consumers with no consequence.
This is why BBB is such a big joke right now.
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I agree with you. (Although BBB has always been a joke)
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The BBB is not and never was an enforcement agency of any kind. So what good is it?
As for Angie’s List: last time I checked you had to register just to browse and read the site. So what good it that? I can understand registering to post a review, but just to read? I can browse and read other review sites without registering.
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I’ve long thought that entities the supply the “approved” badges (do people really pay attention to them??) should require sites that use them to link them back to the entity in the first place. Then when people click on them, they can automatically look at where the link comes from and flag those that come from unapproved sites (perhaps showing a warning page to the user as well).
“This is why BBB is such a big joke right now.”
The BBB has been a big joke for a long time, but it’s not because they don’t defend the use of their seal. It’s because companies can buy good ratings from them even when they’re awful companies.
Isn’t barriung users from filing chargebacks against Visa and Mastercard rules? If it isn’t, it should be.
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Why would you think this company would care about Visa and MasterCard rules, any more than it does about customer service?
Oh, yes, in theory credit card companies would terminate a card agreement if a company violate their rules, or violates the law. But I’ve noticed that actual terminations occur in practice only if the government doesn’t like a company: perhaps because it might possibly be violating IP laws; or because it is publishing leaked government documents.
In practice those rules are only used for political punishment. (Equivalent to a “political prisoner” status.)
This company might abuse the daylights out of its customers, even rip them off, but that’s just good old American business and not a justification for political penury.
They also using a photo of a cell phone store in Korea as the photo of their store on their website. Also the 4 certifications shown on their websites are fake! http://consumerist.com/2014/08/28/more-sketchiness-revealed-about-retailer-that-charges-customers-250-for-threatening-to-complain/
The wording cuts both ways
It says that any breach triggers this. It seems to me that if a customer receives goods that were misrepresented, that constitutes a breach on the part of the company. Since this clause is worded so it can swing both ways, the customer just won $200 plus all ancillary costs incurred in enforcing this — legal fees, the cost of having to do things in New York, etc.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Bad companies
I had a similar dealing with one such company they never sent what I paid for and when I called I was called a liar I simply asked him to give me the tracking number to show that they tried to ship it which he refused to do
so with the guys name (dumb of him to give it to me)I contacted the attorney general in my state who pursued it for me and I got a full refund within 2 weeks.
Bam take that shyster
Payment Processors
There is no reason to think that they could not go after and cut these guys off from the payment processors they are using. If they can do it for Torrent sites, they can do it for scammers like these.
They just won’t. Cause apparently the Public doesn’t pay enough for them to do their jobs. Hollywood’s pay on the other hand…
NETWORK ASSOCIATES
In
New York v. NETWORK ASSOCIATES, INC.
the Attorney General of NY went after a company in CA for even having a restrictive covenant like that on their merchandise. I don’t see where the current case of Cox v. Accessory Outlet mentions “restrictive covenant,” or “public policy,” like the NY case does, but it ought to.
Archives and historical societies use these restrictive covenants on their “permission to publish” policies
Network Associates says: “This Censorship Clause is unenforceable, illegal and deceptive.”
Put the heat on the enablers
Notify the credit card companies and especially the re-mailer that they are committing fraud by collecting money for and shipping counterfeit goods. You might not get anywhere with Giganticorp Inc. Wall Street Bank, but it would be pretty easy to instill the Fear of God into the re-mailer.
"The problem with pursuing shady companies like this..."
Yeah but for those of us who’ve never been duped by onlineaccessoryoutlet.com, we gain the joy of munching our popcorn as we enjoy the show that TD, et al., especially those who attempt the prosecutorial pursuit of these algae for our benefit.
Further, we own the freedom to state in online forums that we are not violating any terms as we agree loudly and publicly that the company is obviously a thieving bunch of asshats with whom we have not and never will “do business.”
“Silver linings” is all I’m saying.
The billing can be avoided by blocking charges from these companies and simply not paying. I highly doubt they’ll go after you in the courts. Now, recover the original money invested….
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They’ve got that covered with threatening to trash your credit rating if you do so.
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You can contact the three credit monitoring (Interfax etc) agencies to dispute a claim.
I assume the AG and DAs are pursuing these cases – right?
Someone needs to find who is behind these companies and post their name and home addresses since there appears to be no other way to stop this person.
complicit fraud
They are committing fraud, a criminal offense. The payment processing companies and their banks know exactly who they are and where they are.
If the payment processors and banks refuse to aid the consumers in their pursuit of justice they become accessories to the crime especially in light of the fact that they profit from it. It is easy to locate the directors of the payment processors and banks and to sue them as accessories to the crimes being committed.