After Microsoft Returns All Of No-IP's Seized Domains And Settles Lawsuit, No-IP Is Still Angry

from the reasonably-so dept

We recently wrote about Microsoft going to court and convincing a judge to (with no adversarial hearing) allow it to seize a bunch of domain names from No-IP, redirecting all traffic to them through Microsoft’s own servers. Those servers quickly encountered problems, meaning that many people who relied on No-IP’s dynamic DNS system, found that they couldn’t access their sites. Microsoft later blamed this on a “technical error” but it still appeared that the seizure effort was a gross abuse of the legal process. Remember, in the lawsuit that allowed Microsoft to seize the domains, it had claimed that No-IP parent Vitalwerks had been breaking the law.

Either way, it appears that Microsoft has now returned all the domains to No-IP and settled the lawsuit. According to a joint statement by the companies:

Microsoft has reviewed the evidence provided by Vitalwerks and enters into the settlement confident that Vitalwerks was not knowingly involved with the subdomains used to support malware. Those spreading the malware abused Vitalwerks? services.

Microsoft identified malware that had escaped Vitalwerks? detection. Upon notification and review of the evidence, Vitalwerks took immediate corrective action allowing Microsoft to identify victims of this malware. The parties have agreed to permanently disable Vitalwerks subdomains used to control the malware.

In the process of redirecting traffic to its servers for malware detection, Microsoft acknowledges that a number of Vitalwerks customers were impacted by service outages as a result of a technical error. Microsoft regrets any inconvenience these customers may have experienced.

No-IP for its part has also put out a more detailed explanation for how all of this happened. It’s worth reading. It also takes apart a number of Microsoft’s claims, including the company’s claim that, prior to returning the domains, it had “fixed” the problems people were having accessing their sites. No-IP reiterates that if Microsoft had just contacted the company first, it would have taken down the abusive customers. Clearly, even though the situation was settled, No-IP is reasonably upset that it happened in the first place:

While we are extremely pleased with the settlement terms, we are outraged by Microsoft?s tactics and that we were not able to completely and immediately restore services to the majority of our valuable customers that had been affected.

At No-IP, we are firm believers that the Internet should be free and open. We will continue to fight for the rights of our users and our business. Moving forward, we have provisioned a solution that will reduce the risk of domain seizures.

Later it notes:

We hope that Microsoft learned a lesson from this debacle and that in the future they will not seize other companies domains and will use appropriate channels to report abuse.

Wouldn’t that be nice.

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Michael (profile) says:

We hope that Microsoft learned a lesson from this debacle and that in the future they will not seize other companies domains and will use appropriate channels to report abuse.

We also hope that Jason Lee Van Dyke will apologize to everyone, quit his job as an attorney, and spend the remainder of his days volunteering for community projects.

Anonymous Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Let’s see…on one leg a ball and chain, on the other a GPS device, a rake, a trash bag, a uniform that will help him blend into the background*, and a 30 mile stretch of the most dangerous road in Texas to keep clean, alone. The community will enjoy and appreciate that.

* Helps chances that some driver might do the legal profession a favor, and run him over.

Anonymous Coward says:

“Microsoft regrets any inconvenience these customers may have experienced.”

Of course Microsoft isn’t going to go so far as to express their regret with monetary compensation for the people damaged and/or inconvenienced. They’re just going to go “Sorry we fed the judge a line of bullshit that he bought instead of contacting the company that could have fixed the problem without incident. We didn’t mean to screw ya’ll over, but hey, we’re Microsoft, we do what we want, so tough luck.”

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Judge

Some, but garbage in, garbage out still applies. The judge is unlikely to be computer savvy enough to grasp what exactly No-IP’s service would be used for, and Microsoft was saying they were complicit in distributing malware. So naturally the judge made the mistake of trusting Microsoft.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Judge

Doesn’t the judge take any blame for allowing Microsoft to go though with this?

The Ex Parte TRO in the earlier Techdirt article, was signed by United States District Judge Gloria M. Navarro.

I have no idea whether Microsoft has bothered to tell her that she cut service to about four million sites which were owned by about two million people.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: I want in on this process

Sadly, I agree 100%. It was a malware program that only ran on Microsoft computers, which easily could have been updated through Microsoft’s own update software to eliminate the malware or stop it from running. Why they went to court to fix an issue that was caused by themselves is a mystery to me.

I really hope all of the customer’s of no-ip.com services that were effected start a class action suit against Microsoft. It wasn’t as bad as the DoJ calling everyone on mooo.com services a pedophile, but still just as bad an idea to do.

Avatar28 (profile) says:

Re: Re: I want in on this process

It’s not that easy. The malware was installed and it’s not that easy to just remove it since Windows isn’t a sandboxed platform. What MS did was cut off the command and control system of the botnets to kill them. It’s basically like how when the military launches an invasion, one of the first things they do is take out the enemy’s communication capabilities.

John85851 (profile) says:

Which lawsuit

When you said “Microsoft… settled the lawsuit”, I was thinking they already settled with No-IP so No-IP wouldn’t sue their pants off for the gross abuse of the law.

Is it safe to assume the No-IP will be suing Microsoft over this issue?

I mean, really, how can any company (no matter now large) just seize the property of another company if they suspect criminal behavior?

Whatever (profile) says:

Re: Which lawsuit

No, it reads like it’s a settlement, end of discussion. Microsoft could very easily run these guys into the ground if the decided to sue, sending the in legal circles until the bleed money and die. Microsoft “admission” that No-IP was not “knowingly involved” is likely all the settlement they will get.

I think that both parties learned something here. Microsoft has found out that they are not above the law, no matter how noble their cause. No-IP has learned that they need to do a better job checking their clients lest the find themselves in some serious trouble again in the future.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Which lawsuit

No-IP has learned that they need to do a better job checking their clients lest the find themselves in some serious trouble again in the future.

That is about as sane as saying the phone company should be careful about who they give phone numbers to, to prevent criminals using the phone system.

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