Germany And US Government's Agree Not To Spy On Each Other... But What About Their Citizens?

from the so-us-is-more-concerned-about-germany-than-its-own-people? dept

As a bunch of folks have been sending in, the US and Germany have announced that, in the wake of the various revelations about NSA surveillance (as well as surveillance efforts by other countries, including the UK and Germany), the US government and the German government are working on ironing out an agreement to not spy on each other -- apparently covering both government espionage and corporate espionage (done by intelligence services). Of course, it's not like any countries have spying agreements. Doing that kind of espionage is always "illegal" but it's done anyway. Does anyone think an agreement between the two countries would actually stop the spying? No chance. Even more hilarious, Germany is claiming that existing US spying is already "legal."
In the progress report, the German government found that U.S. intelligence services comply with German law. Also, the operators of large German Internet exchanges and the federal government did not find any evidence that the U.S. spies on Germans, the government said.
Yeah, okay. So, if that's true (and it's clearly not, given the fact that the NSA automatically is spying on pretty much any communication between Germany and the US by default), then this "no spying" arrangement is meaningless. If it's not true, then it just suggests that the US can continue doing the spying that it's doing and Germany will look the other way. This seems more like an announcement to make people in Germany think it's government is doing something in response to the stories of the NSA's activities.

But, back to a larger point: it seems somewhat ridiculous that President Obama has rushed to stop spying on Germany, while refusing to do anything to stop the surveillance of Americans themselves. While Obama claims that there's no domestic spying program, that's already been shown to be absolutely false.

So the message we get is that the US government will spy on Americans, lie about it, and when other countries act annoyed about more global spying, the US will actually pretend to stop that spying program... but the domestic spying will continue.

Filed Under: espionage, germany, no spying, surveillance, us


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  1. identicon
    Jon Bains, 15 Aug 2013 @ 2:15pm

    Is Obama the Cooler King or the ferret

    Can't stop thinking about Steve McQueen (and Co) in The Great Escape when thinking about Obama's current NSA predicament. Specifically the aptly named 'mole' plan. Make the dirt by tunnelling where you aren't supposed to be covertly. Attempt to hide said dirt behind whilst pushing the occasional straw into the outside world before suffocating. When faced with exposure retreat back to the cooler to continue advocating to foreigners (a Scot in this instance) about how great American strategy is. Subconsciously setting unrealistic, unachievable and downright dangerous expectations given the unstable nature of environment and supposed partner. This predictably lead to the suicide of his supposed friend. Regardless Hilts himself learned a valuable lesson - hide behind the uniform - whilst showing little emotion or remorse. No?

    While I think about it Hiltz did absolutely nothing for the greater good. James Garner contributed substantially more to help others with his brand transparent capitalism whilst maintaining an almost socialist commitment to his crew and friends. Your typical american male (myself included) wanted to be the cooler king but in retrospect the Ferret is a far better role model. Going to have to go and watch the film again now ;-)

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