The Colonel vs. Adolf Hitler In A Trademark Extravaganza

from the intellectual-property-reichs dept

We've had dust-ups in the restaurant industry over trademarks before. Whether it was Psy vs. Gangnam Style Restaurant, which turned out to be a nothing, Nutella vs. restaurants promoting their products, or Waffle House vs. rap music, the conflict is there, but I feel like it lacks a certain gravitas. A little of what the French call je ne sais quoi. The closest we've come to anything satisfying was IHOP vs. God, but I'm going to disqualify that one for being outside the mortal coil (side note: Heavenly Coil would be a great name for a punk band or strip club). Fortunately, we've finally got a trademark dispute with some real personalities. Two titans on the world stage that the cameras can do close-ups on as they battle this out.

I'm of course talking about the potential for a legal battle between Colonel Sanders and Adolf Hitler. Some brief background is probably in order. See, apparently there's something of a trend in Thailand for taking well-known cultural icons and changing their images just enough to represent history's most dasterdly megalomaniac. As a result, you'll get teletubbies with Hitler's face on them, or a cute little panda with a toothbrush mustache and a glare that says, "Those bamboo stalks better not be Jewish." And the latest victim of this Hitler-ization is of the KFC spokesman.

Kentucky Fried Chicken told The Huffington Post Friday it may take "legal action" against a fried chicken shop named Hitler that sports a storefront emblem very similar to KFC's, only with Adolf Hitler's head replacing Colonel Sanders.

"We find it extremely distasteful and are considering legal action since it is an infringement of our brand trademark and has nothing to do with us," a spokesman for KFC parent Yum! told The Huffington Post in an email.





Look, I can't blame KFC for being upset that their beloved Colonel Sanders was morphed into Hitler. Adolf Hitler murdered roughly 11 or 12 million people in one of the world's greatest travesties. The Colonel only kills chickens, people. Delicious, succulent, chickens. So if KFC wants to go the trans-oceanic trademark route, it may be hard to blame them, but how much of an effect would it actually have?

As it turns out, a mild-flavored recipe effect at best. In order to avoid criticism of the same kind a couple of years back, the restaurant changed its facade, name, and shop images a bit. Now, instead of being called Hitler's Chicken, the name has reportedly been changed to H-ler, because that's apparently better. Also, it looks as though the Hitler image has been removed. Not that this is erasing anyone's memory, of course. People pass that shop every day and know it was Hitler's Chicken. Nobody ever confused Hitler with Colonel Sanders and nobody ever actually thought less of KFC or their trademark because of the stunt.

You can understand why KFC was upset, but it's hard not to see the futulity in all this. KFC may not have realized at first that the images of a Hitler Colonel were a year or so old, but this can serve as a lesson in how the market and society will usually do all the legal work for you if you give them enough time and spotlights.


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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 2:27pm

    ...does thinking Hitler's Chicken makes an excellent name for a Thai restaurant make me a bad person?

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      Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 2:40pm

      Re:

      Apparently it just makes you part of a growing Thai trend.

      ...does thinking Thai Trend makes an excellent name for a Thai pop band make me a bad person?

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    aldestrawk (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 2:57pm

    I was promised two titans battling it out on the legal stage. What is the position of the Adolph Hitler Estate in all this? They weren't even mentioned.

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      madasahatter (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 3:17pm

      Re: Estate

      I believe the closest living relatives of Hitler, nephews, live on Long Island in New York and are native born that would be interesting. But somehow I doubt they will do anything.

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    mmrtnt (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 3:46pm

    Next Up

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 3:53pm

    Well...not really

    "Adolf Hitler murdered roughly 11 or 12 million people in one of the world's greatest travesties."

    I believe that's a grossly inflated number - 6 million is the usual cited number, and even that is rumored to be somewhat falsified.

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      Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:01pm

      Re: Well...not really

      That only accounts for Jewish people.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:11pm

        Re: Re: Well...not really

        fair enough

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          JEDIDIAH, 10 Jul 2013 @ 9:22am

          Re: Well...not really

          That 12 million number also generally only refers to the more visible highly organized death camps. Civilians in Nazi occupied territories were routinely rounded up and herded into mass graves. Often this was group punishment for resistance.

          The Nazi's weren't just about the death camps. There was also a lot of lebensraum related atrocities going on too.

          The 12 million number is LOW estimate based on an American centric view of the war.

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        Anonymous, 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:13pm

        Re: Re: Well...not really

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      The Old man in The Sea, 9 Jul 2013 @ 6:21pm

      Re: Well...not really

      A few years ago, I did some research into the number of civilians killed during WWII in Europe. This was in response to a close friend (from the Middle East) who doubted that six million Jews had been terminated. He comes from a war-torn country there.

      I was astounded that a lower estimated was around 100 million civilians killed during that war. The upper bound was around 120 million civilians killed. What I hadn't realised was how densely populated Europe was at that time. Compared with the number of military killed - the estimate was under 1 million.

      So six million Jews and 2-3 million Gypsy's are not unreasonable numbers.

      If we have another global conflict which seems inevitable, we will probably see billions of civilians die, with most if not all the politicians surviving.

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        jupiterkansas (profile), 10 Jul 2013 @ 12:01am

        Re: Re: Well...not really

        Add in the Spanish Flu and it was one of the most horrifically deadly centuries in history.

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        Anonymous Howard (profile), 10 Jul 2013 @ 4:34am

        Re: Re: Well...not really

        100-120M civilians dead, yet everybody talks about all the jews that were killed, which is roughly 5% of the total causalities. And WTF about the rest (95M)? Nothing..

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          Anonymous Coward, 10 Jul 2013 @ 5:08am

          Re: Re: Re: Well...not really

          Ummm - may be a rather large difference there.
          Ya think?

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          jupiterkansas (profile), 10 Jul 2013 @ 7:36am

          Re: Re: Re: Well...not really

          Because the Jews were enslaved and murdered in a slaughterhouse made just for them, while most of the others died fighting or from disease.

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            Anonymous Howard (profile), 11 Jul 2013 @ 1:22am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Well...not really

            How being shot in your home/on the street by nazi soldiers is anyhow less tragic than being shot in a concentration camp. Being gassed is equally lethal in a shower and on the streets.

            It's annoying because I see it more and more often abused, used as justification for compensation etc.

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          JEDIDIAH, 10 Jul 2013 @ 9:30am

          Re: Well...not really

          You have to really dig for that 100M number. You have to go looking everywhere beating the bushes for every time some Nazi officer shoved a bunch of villagers into the local church and burned it to the ground.

          On the other hand, the death camps were highly organized ethnic cleansing on an industrial scale. Furthermore, the Germans were really proud of it so they made their own home movies. The Nazi's themselves helped increase the visibility of what they were doing.

          Bulldozers pushing a bunch of emaciated bodies into a mass gave makes a big impression. So does a liberated death camp.

          Also, a lot of the abuses that are part of that bigger number happened behind the iron curtain. Americans and the rest of NATO during the cold war weren't going to highlight what the Nazis did to the Russians.

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            jupiterkansas (profile), 10 Jul 2013 @ 9:37am

            Re: Re: Well...not really

            I was going to mention the Russian thing too. The fact that the nastiest part of the war happened in the Soviet Union was never mentioned when I was in school, and Hollywood certainly wasn't making any movies about it. John Wayne didn't fight the Nazis to help out a bunch of evil communists.

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        Pragmatic, 10 Jul 2013 @ 6:17am

        Re: Re: Well...not really

        That needs to go the other way around. Wars were always about territorial disputes before. They'd put a thin veneer of religion or principle on it, but let's face it, the idea was to grab land or control resources or trade.

        Shame we can't get the politicians to do the warring for us.

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    Anonymous, 9 Jul 2013 @ 3:53pm

    And they will serve tea out of teapots that look like...well, that's a tad obvious.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:11pm

    Forgive me if I'm missing something, but does it matter if his name is spelled Adolph or Adolf? I don't often see it written as Adolph.

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      Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:52pm

      Re:

      As a native german speaker the ph variant looks pretty retarded to me

      Even though I have to admit that it is possible that the name was spelled that way a long time ago* (and still is in english)

      However that particular Adolf definitely wrote his name with an f

      *before the first spelling reformation germans used different spelling possibilities of their names interchangeably, like Göthe Goethe

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        aldestrawk (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 9:22pm

        Re: Re:

        My German wife is traveling today and I could not consult with her till now. She says, Adolf is the most common but the Adolph version is not unknown in Germany. The name Adolf lost popularity after WWII. As for Hitler, the F-version (like the F-word) seems to be the appropriate one.

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        Michael, 10 Jul 2013 @ 7:24am

        Re: Re:

        However that particular Adolf definitely wrote his name with an f

        and let's be careful to not offend such a historical hero.

        Somehow, I don't care if it bothers him that his name gets mis-spelled.

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      Dark Helmet (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:59pm

      Re:

      Er, thanks for pointing that out. I thought I had it right everywhere in the article, but apparently I missed the headline. It's now fixed.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous, 9 Jul 2013 @ 4:24pm

    And, in other trademark news...

    Larry Flynt is suing his brother, Jimmy, for trademark infringement after Jimmy opened a store in Florida called Flynt Sexy Gifts.
    Silly me, I thought Jimmy also has the last name of Flynt!

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    btrussell (profile), 9 Jul 2013 @ 6:24pm

    KFC kills more than chickens. I'm positive if I was to eat it that it would kill me. Walking by one last week just about had me hurling. Must be getting close to their yearly oil change.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 6:24pm

    The Thais may find this amusing not understanding what Hitler was but I am willing to bet if the west did that using Tojo as the replacement they would understand and be horrified,

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      terry_allen (profile), 15 Jul 2013 @ 4:21am

      Re:

      Umm...not the Thais, probably. The Japanese were so pathetically eager to leave one country unconquered (so they could have their own 'coalition of the willing') that they left Thailand almost alone -- after brokering a peace treaty between the French and the Thais and securing the right to move troops across Thailand to attack Malaya. Meanwhile the Japanese ambassador to Thailand had the pleasure of watching the OSS operate right under the collectives nose of the Thai royal family....

      Anyway, I would mention that this thread is getting way too far from the original point, but I understand that the Hitler restaurant in question closed for good quite a while ago, and KFC is now in the awkward position of threatening to sue a picture on the Internet -- the only legacy of the Hitler restaurant -- because some Guardian journalists couldn't be bothered to fact-check the original story.

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    Anonymous Coward, 9 Jul 2013 @ 9:31pm

    All I can think of now is Epic Rap Battles of History.

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    Anonymous Coward, 10 Jul 2013 @ 5:11am

    (Soup Nazi)

    No Soup For You !!!

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    Anonymous Coward, 10 Jul 2013 @ 5:43am

    Delicious? Succulent? Clearly you never ate there.

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      terry_allen (profile), 15 Jul 2013 @ 4:00am

      Re:

      You've eaten at a KFC in Thailand? Yum Foods seems to be okay with letting the franchisees there serve their own variants.

      As long as I stayed away from the standard offerings (which I admit I didn't try at all), I thought the food was pretty good in such places. Better than you'd find, say, in a food court in the U.S.

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    hopponit, 11 Jul 2013 @ 11:29pm

    kfc

    Oh no dude ya' got it wrong. That isn't the Col. That's Dave Thomas. Wrong chain is freaking out over nothing.

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    Anonymous Coward, 12 Jul 2013 @ 9:24am

    Hitler vs the Colonel. my Money's on the C!

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