Verizon: We Protect Our Customers' Data... Until The Government Asks For It

from the um,-that's-not-protecting dept

So, Verizon has finally come out with a statement about the fact that they're handing over all data on every call anyone on its network makes to the government. And the response is just as ridiculous as you'd expect:
You may have seen stories in the news about a top secret order Verizon allegedly received to produce certain calling information to the U.S. government.

We have no comment on the accuracy of The Guardian newspaper story or the documents reference, but a few items in these stores are important. The alleged court order that The Guardian published on its website contains language that:
  • compels Verizon to respond;
  • forbids Verizon from revealing the order's existence; and
  • excludes from production the "content of any communication . . . or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer."
Verizon continually takes steps to safeguard its customers' privacy. Nevertheless, the law authorizes the federal courts to order a company to provide information in certain circumstances, and if Verizon were to receive such an order, we would be required to comply.
Let's parse that a bit. First, to "not comment" on it is ridiculous. This is the same issue I had with the government pretending that leaked Wikileaks documents had never leaked. It's not reality-based. In the business world, if you sign a non-disclosure agreement, it only applies to information that remains private. If the same information becomes public through other means, it's recognized that the non-disclosure agreement no longer applies. Because that's living in reality. Pretending you can't comment on the document is not reality-based.

Second, the claim that "Verizon continually takes steps to safeguard its customers' privacy" is completely meaningless when they're handing every bit of that data over to the government. Third, the idea that this order "excludes" information like someone's name is pretty silly. Don't you think that the federal government might have a giant database, in the form of a basic phone book that lets them look up the name associated with each number?

But, most importantly, this whole claim that Verizon is compelled to obey is silly and ignores some of the history. When the government asks you to break the law, you have the right to say no. And here's the big thing: even if this is legal today, that only came about because various telcos worked with the government on broad lawbreaking in the past, only to have the government paper that over with new laws that made such things "legal" and included retroactive immunity. And, really, that's all that Verizon really cares about (and you'll note they don't mention it): that they have no liability for coughing up everyone's information.

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    out_of_the_blue, 7 Jun 2013 @ 8:12am

    Re: Re: "whole claim that Verizon is compelled to obey is silly"

    @ Zakida Paul
    Patriot Act, dumbass.

    When that is invoked, no one has a choice.


    As I just pointed out to your prior, this is refuted ABOVE by Mike hisself. It's quite odd that Mike and I agree entirely on his last paragraph, and YOU are making excuses for corporations. A paradigm has apparently shifted.

    A corporation has resources to resist the gov't. Google in particular has trumpeted how they're oh-so-careful with user data, and resisting the gov't, requiring court orders and so on. All of that is now shown to be LYING.

    But the Nuremberg defense "I was only following orders" isn't valid nor lawful. When someone tells you to break the law, you are on the spot to push back and REFUSE to do it. That's the moral course, cost you what it may. People went to jail rather than be drafted and kill others for the gov't in Vietnam. Others "fragged", killed their officers rather than go murder innocent civilians. That still applies in the military (it's why they fake up "just cause" to make the troops believe they're the good guys), so definitely applies to the corporate world.

    "Freedom is the right to say no." Frederick Brown, in The Great Explosion

    And if a rather small number of people JUST SAY NO I'M NOT GOING ALONG, I'M NOT COMMITTING THAT CRIME, the tyranny collapses.

    But YOU, "ZakidaPaul", are a SERF and have the mind of a serf.

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