How Out Of Touch Is The Copyright Office? It Thinks The Authors Guild Is The 'Leading' Advocate For Writers' Interests

from the not-mine dept

One of the concerns we have about the US Copyright Office is that the staff there often seem entirely out of touch with the world we live in today. Witness, for example, its description of the Authors Guild in a recent announcement about an event they're hosting celebrating the Authors Guild 100th anniversary:
The Copyright Office is pleased to host a Copyright Matters discussion about the history and future of the professional author on December 11 at 3 p.m. in the Coolidge Auditorium of the Library of Congress. The event, occurring on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of The Authors Guild, the nation's leading advocate for writers' interests, will feature Guild president, author Scott Turow, as the keynote speaker. Other speakers include author and past Guild president Robert K. Massie; John Y. Cole of the Library's Center for the Book; and book market analyst Peter Hildick-Smith of the Codex Group. Also present will be guest authors Roy Blount, Jr., Katherine Neville, Mary Pope Osbourne, Nick Taylor, and others. The event is free and open to the public. See www.copyright.gov/copyrightmatters.html.
Except, of course, that's not even close to true. The Authors Guild represents a very tiny sliver of "writers." It currently has about 9,000 members, and famously only realized that self-published authors count as authors... a few months ago. Look, if copyright only covered works that were officially registered with the Copyright Office, perhaps they'd have a point in claiming that the AG represents writers. But that's silly. Due to ridiculous expansion of copyright laws in the US and around the globe (much of which the Copyright Office gleefully supported), everything that people write that has even a tiny modicum of new/creative elements is automatically covered by copyright. That includes the email you just sent and the scribble your toddler just drew on a piece of paper.

Somehow, I don't see the Authors Guild watching out for those "writers" interests.

What about me? I make my living writing -- but I see the Authors Guild as an out of touch organization run by luddites working hard to limit and hinder innovation because they're confused and scared of technology -- mainly how it creates more competition for their special club which doesn't want too many members. This is the same organization that argued that having a legally purchased ebooks read aloud violated their copyrights. The same organization that has sued libraries for scanning books to make them available for people to read in digital form. The same Authors Guild who has argued that the future of books is... brick and mortar stores. The same Authors Guild who (seriously) argued that Shakespeare wouldn't survive in the modern era since no one respects copyright any more (ignoring that there was no copyright in Shakespeare's time, and he did okay).

The Authors Guild isn't representing 99.999% of all "writers." And it certainly doesn't seem to be advocating for writers' interests, considering that it's fought against some of the best new technologies for creating, distributing, promoting and monetizing writers' works today.

Of course, we know what this is really about. The Copyright Office is still living in a time in the past, where it gets to fetishize a small cadre and closed off "club" of top professionals, ignoring that the rules and laws they seek to pass to protect that club against innovation and competition, also have massive negative impacts on the vast majority of content creators who aren't members of that tiny club. The Authors Guild may do wonderful things for a small group of authors who don't want to change with the times, but I don't see how that's a particularly beneficial service. It seems like a mistake. And the Copyright Office celebrates this?


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    Jeremy Lyman (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 5:28am

    Nothing is true

    Pfff... Everyone knows the Authors Guild is just a Templar front for their secret plot to control what literature is publicly available to the masses.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 5:29am

    Despite the obvious and ongoing issues with the copyright office, this example is just PR garbage, and does not merit this level of outrage disdain. I suggest saving energy for things that matter, instead of detailed analysis of the language of fluff.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 5:37am

    doing it's best to ensure that progress is held off for as long as possible, benefiting only the few that are in charge and reaping a nice salary from this stagnation rather than encouraging progress that will benefit the majority but perhaps relinquish control from the few to the many, is exactly the same exercise that has been undertaken in all things today, the music and movie industries being other prime examples. i understand that accepting change can be very hard, but to continually insist that progress has to be hindered or stopped completely just to keep a few in 'the manner to which they have become accustomed' is no reason to prevent others from accepting new ways of promoting and doing business, especially when customers, you know, the ones that are relied on to keep the businesses solvent, are going to reap that benefit

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 5:38am

    "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "I make my living writing" -- Really? Where do you DO that? Cause there's no way that HERE provides you with a "living". In San Francisco, one of the nation's most expensive cities. And enables you to fly to DC for several days to lobby against SOPA. While paying off probably a quarter million for an Ivy League college IF you even had to get a loan.


    Anyhoo: "the nation's leading advocate for writers' interests"

    OKAY, SO NAME THREE MORE with even 9000 members! -- Isn't it then as said? -- So there goes your thesis for this item! -- Now I'm ready for your next RE-write.

    Wait a sec, this caught my eye: 'The Authors Guild isn't representing 99.999% of all "writers."' That would be NOT one in a hundred thousand, right? So if there ARE 9000 members, then Mike claims that there must be at least 900,000,000 writers in the US! HA! Shows how well up he is on numbers.






    Support Mike "Streisand Effect" Masnick's proprietary interest!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
    He innovated the term all by himself! He alone! It's HIS!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 5:56am

    Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "OKAY, SO NAME THREE MORE with even 9000 members! -- Isn't it then as said? -- So there goes your thesis for this item! -- Now I'm ready for your next RE-write."

    9,000 out of over 500,000 published authors (including reporters, tv and movie screenwriters, and work-for hire writers on books and comic books) is less than 1%, a pitifully-tiny percentage!
    OTOH, 90% of theater, movie, and tv performers are registered members of their respective guilds or unions.
    Learn to count, boy.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 5:58am

    Amazon and Apple are bigger advocates for writers than the Authors Guild, and that's saying something.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:06am

    Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    Actually, it's closer to 1.8 percent of all the writers.

    Still, pitifully small.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:07am

    Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    OOTB he makes money from this blog, it is supported by ad networks.

    He in fact he makes money every time you visit so you are actually indirectly funding Mike.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:19am

    Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    @ AC: "He in fact he makes money every time you visit so you are actually indirectly funding Mike." -- WRONG. I don't see a single ad here: Noscript and a hosts file. -- And no, I don't buy his T-shirts either!

    On the larger front, I've several times mentioned that everyone CAN avoid seeing nearly all advertisements on the net, and I think that'll eventually collapse it in some way. You are clearly too stupid and ignorant to even suspect that you don't HAVE to be tracked and targeted.

     

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    Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:31am

    Re:

    this example is just PR garbage

    While it may be PR garbage, it is PR garbage put out by an agency of the US government.

    Some of us are NOT ok with the government lying to us, misleading us, or shilling for private groups - even if it just fluff.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:31am

    Yes, yes, we get it...

    You think you're cool and hip by being against everything Mike puts up.

    Really, ootb, are you a member of the Tea Party?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:37am

    Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    Hosts file? That's pathetically ineffective. Even more so if you use Windows products, which recently seem to have acquired a taste for ignoring your hosts file.

    Also, NoScript - however great - doesn't offer full protection against tracking by web bugs.

    It seems to me that you are the ignorant one. But I'll give you a hint: install AdBlock+Ghostery+FlashBlock. And forget about using the hosts file for protection. If you want actual protection, use a firewall, set-up decent rules, and white-list addresses as you go.

    Or take the easy route: bury yourself under 30 tons of concrete. That should be deep enough for the trackers to miss you...or is it?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:42am

    Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    So what you're saying is, you're a stealing from mike while complaining about how you think Mike is advocating theft?

    You're not really leading yourself a lot of creadablity. Practice what you preach and be your highest self(which is admittedly pretty low in your case) or no one will listen to you.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:49am

    Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "WRONG"

    No, he's correct actually. Your hilarious idiocy drives page views, meaning that other people click on links to see what raving fiction comes out of your keyboard and mock your insanity, not to mention the nice little link exchange you seem determined to set up with Wikipedia to drive further page views of both sites. While, IIRC, Mike has previously stated that ads don't make up the majority of his revenue (although he might have just been referring to AdSense, and it's obvious to most that this blog doesn't represent 100% of his income), you're probably driving at least some of that traffic with your posts. Well done.

    What do you do for a living, by the way? I'm sure that obsessively trolling somebody's blog doesn't pay that much, unless my preferences for facts and adult behaviour have left me unaware of a lucrative career path, of course.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:54am

    Leading is misleading

    "Leading" is all relative. How many guilds are better for authors? It's at least in the top 10.

    Then again, I'm one of the leading male candidates at work to eventually marry Angelina Jolie; which isn't saying much.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 6:55am

    WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Intrigued, I've moved to a Linux machine with javascript fully enabled and NO hosts file (removed those temporarily, actually), and yet ALL that I see is ONE ad from totally obscure readwriteweb.com, plus the flattr, twitter, and facebook widgets or whatever. -- Is someone going to claim that Mike makes a living from ONE advertisement for some totally obscure something? ... Just doesn't add up, folks. I happily admit that I may be totally wrong on this point (there may be hidden payers wanting tracking and so on), but I sure as heck don't SEE any "living" from re-writing what everyone else had days before, without edge-to-edge ads! This site has FAR fewer ads than many that say frequently they're struggling just to pay the host fee!

    So WHAT'S THE SECRET?

    I call on Mike to TELL us how he gets a "living" from "writing", because if all one needs do is re-write and let Google run javascript on your site, it's sheer magic! It ought to be illegal to get a "living" so easily! -- And we need to know how to promote a site having mainly re-writes too, that seems even bigger magic! How can re-writes DRAW people to here rather than the sources? -- And IF Mike doesn't tell us that, then we can reasonably conclude, at the very least, that he's keeping the REAL tricks to himself.

    C'mon, Mike, you STATED that "I make my living writing". You need at the very least to detail HOW. Isn't that "sharing"? Wouldn't your fanboys be vitally interested in that?

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:03am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Where is your fucking brain? My money is on 'in your arse'

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:09am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    @ PaulT: "Your hilarious idiocy drives page views, meaning that other people click on links to see what raving fiction comes out of your keyboard and mock your insanity, not to mention the nice little link exchange you seem determined to set up with Wikipedia to drive further page views of both sites." -- Oh, I know that! No matter how I strive to be dull, I'm unavoidably entertaining. Just the constant ad hom attacks prove that. And I've jibed a couple times with threats to leave, knowing I'm a DRAW. Thanks for recognition, but de nada, compadre.

    And I frequently go away entirely (twice for months), don't even check the site, plus didn't even KNOW about this site before 2009! (It's not all that famous or influential in my estimate! That too makes me wonder where the income is from.) What did/does Mike do then, hmm?

    Then YOU END UP AGREEING WITH ME THAT YOU DON'T KNOW how Mike makes a "living" from this site! Brilliant, fully up to Techdirt's usual: divert, ad hom, but actually agree!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:14am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    I wonder about that. If only he had written about 100 articles a year about how he makes money.

    Oh wait...

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:17am

    Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    @Zakida Paul: "Where is your fucking brain? My money is on 'in your arse'" -- Up to your best, but doesn't answer the question I asked.

    Aren't you in the least interested in this magic money machine? Mike says he makes a LIVING from writing! It may not all be here, but he claims it's from somewhere, not me. There isn't enough evidence on this site to even attempt to say he makes a living from it.

    But of course the key point to Mike is that the least questions undo him: if you don't accept his premises and "authority", then he's got bupkis. You fanboys know that, and so just go for ad hom whenever a reasonable question arises.

    Now, I'm leaving this item 'cause don't have form fill turned on in this FF and it's too much trouble to type in my attractive moniker that PaulT says draws readers, besides that I don't actually hope for any answers, it's rhetorical.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:17am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "ad hom"

    That's a riot.

    Just above you called "us" stupid and ignorant. If you're going to criticize someone for resorting to such logical fallacies, maybe you shouldn't employ them yourself. Kinda makes you look like a hypocrite.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:18am

    Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Answering your questions is as pointless as pishing against the wind as you don't read the answers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:19am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    At least one senator has been here, that's more influence than you probably have.

    And yet with this "lack of influence" you somehow feel the need to reply to techdirt articles. Funny that

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:23am

    I dont want to mention the insane man, but he does have some kind of point.

    The Authors Guild is primarily for book publishing authors. As you mentioned they only recently saw that the interwebbed datamats are more common than the potential of 3 machines in the world.
    Journalism which I would say you to some degree are doing is something else. There are net-media journalist associations that you would fit into.

    The piece you comment on is some lame advertisement. It may warrent a story, but it needs more than this imo. How is the history of the Authors Guild? When was it founded?, for whom? and what has their "raison d'etre" been?
    There is an argument, that they may have gone awry in recent years while historically the advertisement is true.

    Basing a story on a single source takes a solid message. This is to the thin side.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:27am

    Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    Well, the Romance Writers of America currently has 10,000 members, so right there is a writer's organization that has a better claim to representing authors than the Authors Guild does.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:28am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    I'll tell you the secret.

    It's a little known formula that goes like this: CwF+RtB=Success.

    It's really incredible. Here, I'll point you to a website where you can read all about it:

    http://www.techdirt.com/

    Enjoy.

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:30am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Lots of people make money from writing. I write technical standards and create reports all the time and get paid. Mike writes on a blog, which generates a little revenue from ads, but I would think your pea brain would be able to figure he makes money writing for other venues. The problem is you are too much of a dense contrarian to realize he didn't say he makes all his money from ads on the blog (something that only a narrow minded dolt could take from his point). Additionally, specifically his "blog writing" although free for some to see generates other business ventures for Mike and his company. Most people see an entire business plan here. All you can comprehend is:
    1. Writes blog posts
    2. ???
    3. Profit

     

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    art guerrilla (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:30am

    Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    1. only 'curious' about how mike -'streisand effect'- masnick makes his money in a gossipy sense of little-to-no-priority in my life...
    2. on the other paw, i -along with nearly everyone else 'here'- am simply tired of your juvenile carping with little-to-no salient points to 'argue'...
    3. as an absolutist on free speech, i am not a fan of the 'report' button, because it is used to hide mere idiot's rantings, *not* to actually hide really hideous speech (which i *don't* want to have hidden in any event)...
    *BUT* while i hardly ever use the 'report' button on *anyone*, i have taken to doing so on most of your posts as a reflex action...
    you are simply incorrigible, and NOT in a good way...
    troll on, li'l boy blue, you only make more converts to the cause...
    art guerrilla
    aka ann archy
    eof

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:40am

    The Copyright Office is still living in a time in the past, where it gets to fetishize a small cadre and closed off "club" of top professionals, ignoring that the rules and laws they seek to pass to protect that club against innovation and competition, also have massive negative impacts on the vast majority of content creators who aren't members of that tiny club. The Authors Guild may do wonderful things for a small group of authors who don't want to change with the times, but I don't see how that's a particularly beneficial service.

    I'm hard pressed to think of a more accurate definition of guild.

     

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    Atkray (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:41am

    Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "I don't see a single ad here: Noscript and a hosts file. -- And no, I don't buy his T-shirts either!"

    Freetard.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:49am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Did I miss a post where Mike claimed to make ALL his money via this blog?

     

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    Lowestofthekeys (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:50am

    Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    I was just going to mention technical writing. A friend of mine freelances that as a living and makes decent money.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:55am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "No matter how I strive to be dull, I'm unavoidably entertaining. Just the constant ad hom attacks prove that."

    So, you get your kicks from trolling a blog. That's something I suppose, though that simply confirms my impression that you're an idiot. Intelligent people don't troll for fun, at least not as obsessively as you do. Oh, and since your posts are usually both illogical and/or fact-free, there's not much left other than ad hominems as there's nothing in the arguments you make to attack. We certainly can't address facts, since you neither use them nor answer direct questions about where you get your ideas from.

    "And I frequently go away entirely (twice for months), don't even check the site, plus didn't even KNOW about this site before 2009!"

    However long you claim to have known, you're definitely a regular commenter. Your lack of a login means I can't directly check when you started posting (unless someone knows how to sort Google results by date?), but saying you've only been posting idiocy for 3 years hardly refutes the nature of your posts. Hell, you haven't even bothered answering questions about what that stupid Wikipedia link is meant to achieve, despite repeated questions.

    However, for at least the last few weeks you've been commenting on every single thread, often the first poster, usually without reading the actual article first. That you take a holiday from this stupid pastime doesn't change the fact that you do it a lot. Nor does raising the nature of Mike's career remove questions about what sort of career such a prolific troll could possibly have.

    As for where Mike's income comes from, I agree it probably doesn't all come from running a blog, but that's irrelevant to me. To my knowledge Mike is also involved in other projects, including consulting and presentation, although he may consider himself a writer first (and may have writing gigs outside this site, of course). It's only you who assumes that Mike's statement about writing referred only to income from this site, and as ever that half-complete piece of information is where you draw your idiotic assumptions from.

     

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    Lord Binky, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 7:58am

    When they said

    "the nation's leading advocate for writers' interests" what they ment was

    "The nation's leading lobbying/donation/this-money-is-not-a-bribe advocate of their member's who are authors that can write at a minimum, a check."

     

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    Lord Binky, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:02am

    Re:

    Well...the entire idea behind a guild is that if you are going to have crime, it might as well be organized with a nice name and a crest.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:02am

    Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Mike's living come from consulting. Writing for, and running Techdirt is how he places himself in front of the eyes of potential clients. A lot of consultants do this or other similar things. So yes, his writing here indirectly affects his income.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:04am

    Failing again?

    Just because you don't know about something doesn't mean it doesn't have influence.

    Do you know about the Antarctic treaty?

    If not, lemme explain...

    It basically sets up Antarctica as a scientific preserve, which prevents any civilization from settling in down there. Yeah, that's right, it's not that it's freezing cold down there (humans live in Siberia, Northern Canada, Greenland and Northern Norway and Sweden after all), but it's because there's laws against it.

    It has a lot of influence, but a lot of people don't know about it.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:05am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    "3. as an absolutist on free speech, i am not a fan of the 'report' button, because it is used to hide mere idiot's rantings, *not* to actually hide really hideous speech (which i *don't* want to have hidden in any event)..."

    I've seen spam and more objectionable posts hidden quickly with that button, and I also disagree with it being used indiscriminately. But, the button's stated purpose involves reporting troll comments, and I can't recall having unhidden a reported post (as I do often) and seeing a post that didn't fit that or another stated criteria.

    Usually it's the same 3 idiots posting comments of no value, and since the posts are only hidden (that is, not removed nor the user banned), I don't see the problem with it. Given that it's a mere click to unhide a comment, and there's a very clear notice that a comment has been hidden, I barely even consider it censorship, let alone a real problem.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:06am

    Question though...

    Do any of the members of the Author Guild and the Romance Writers of America cross reference?

    That is, are any members on both?

     

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    btrussell (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:21am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    "It ought to be illegal to get a "living" so easily!"

    Not only is it not illegal, he will be making money off of it for a minimum of 90 years after his death!

     

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    PaulT (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:22am

    Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    "Most people see an entire business plan here. All you can comprehend is..."

    I'm not sure if he's specifically said it himself, but the trolls he tends to be associated with do tend to parse "use low value infinite goods to leverage sales of more valuable scarce goods" as "sell t shirts", and "I want good content at a reasonable price" as "I want to steal". I assume he's using the same low level of thought here.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:28am

    It currently has about 9,000 members,

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:32am

    Re:

    how many author's do you represent Mesick ?? 1 ?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:35am

    Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    no, he makes a lot from trolling for Google as well, but he does not like to talk about that much.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:38am

    Re: Nothing is true

    Too bad Desmond isn't available...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:38am

    Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    It's a little known formula that goes like this: CwF+RtB=Success.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:39am

    Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Yea, with an entire 15 people here on TD who knows about it, it's a massive success.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:42am

    Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    ROFL.. :) it's always the closed ones that are the best to read..

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:43am

    "The event, occurring on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of The Authors Guild, the nation's leading advocate for writers' interests...."

    Except, of course, that's not even close to true. The Authors Guild represents a very tiny sliver of "writers." It currently has about 9,000 members, and famously only realized that self-published authors count as authors... a few months ago.

    It says "leading advocate for writers". You're the one claiming that their relative size somehow disqualifies them as the leading advocate. Is there another author's group who advocates for writers interests that you think is more deserving of that title than the Author's Guild?

    I'd argue that the AFL-CIO is the leading advocate for workers interests. Even though the percentage of the workforce that are union members is a tiny fraction of the total workforce. The AFL is engaged on issues important to all workers, union and non-union alike. Does the fact that their membership is a small percentage diminish the benefit to other workers?

     

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    jjmsan, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:44am

    Re: Re:

    At least 2. Your writing seems to be based entirely on his work and there is OOTB so three, see how fast it builds up?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:48am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    love the troll button, it tags all the really interesting posts. You just know the tagged posts are the ones that Masnick and his guard gods don't like, therefore as you said, they try to censor it.

    but as masnick always tells them, that only brings your attention to them.

    So instead of hiding the post from the 'innocent' people it actually PROMOTES IT, and ensures it is well read.

    Thanks for the tagging system masnick, It's highlights all the best posts. It's also considered a badge of honour to know that you have at least upset 1 rabbit mansick fanboy.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 8:58am

    Those people live in another world.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:07am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    That too makes me wonder where the income is from.) What did/does Mike do then, hmm?

    You're an idiot. Techdirt is a living example of how to leverage "free" (this blog) to sell actual scarcities which are Mike's time and consultation services (Floor64). Mike has always maintained that Techdirt's ad revenue barely covers operating and bandwidth costs. Techdirt is basically a loss leader for Floor64.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:17am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    So you trolls can stop whining about it being there, jackass.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:19am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    Wait, if you didn't know of the site before 2009, why the hell are you spending your time arguing about something you claim Masnick hasn't solved since five years ago?

    Oh, wait, that's right. It's because you're a troll, not someone who promotes interesting discussion. This is the best that pro-copyright shills have to offer? Really? But on the other hand pro-copyright shills have never been great with numbers or math.

     

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    art guerrilla (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:41am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    1. agree that it is NOT egregious 'censorship' to have the 'report' button, *but* it is a type of 'soft' censorship...
    (AGAIN, techdirt deserves major props for the amount of free speech they DO allow; i do NOT hold this tiny bit of (barely/kinda/sorta) censorship against them...)

    2. as far as that goes, i like the slashdot method of commenting and 'reporting' that the readers assign cumulative numeric values to the posts, and a person can surf at whatever 'number' they choose... personally, i almost always show 'all' posts, no matter how downgraded by the community...

    3. another related issue, is that of threads gone by: you get a good debate/dialog going, and then it scrolls off the page before the day is out... it seems like there should be *some* easy method to keep active threads available and continuing... (even if them become divorced from the original article)

    4. a pie-in-the-sky idea i'd like to see implemented, is that of having designated posters/'debaters' square off against each other on the issues... there are far too many active and interesting threads that scroll off the radar screen (to mix metaphors, after all, what's a meta for?), and that also get derailed by sideshows (perhaps purposefully by bots, but that is another thread)...
    maybe by a vote of the posters as to who goes head-to-head against whom ?
    like i say, just a barebones wish of an idea...

    art guerrilla
    aka ann archy
    eof

     

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    bob, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:42am

    Wrongo.

    Actually, no. If the Authors' Guild wasn't there, Google would have gotten away with paying the rank and file absolutely zero. The latest proposed settlement promised paychecks to a large collection of writers and the vast majority of the winners were not members nor did they have anything to do with the suit. The Authors' Guild was very much a defender of the little guy-- unlike Google who just saw it as an opportunity to find more content to sell more ads. Like we need more ads.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:44am

    Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    If what out_of_the_asscrack writes passes off as Pulitzer literature for you it's no wonder they need to have an Author's Guild. Someone's gotta corral all the idiots like darryl and hurricane head up his ass.

     

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    bob, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:44am

    Re: Re:

    He doesn't represent writers. He represents Big Search, Big Hardware and Big Piracy in their relentless quest to make sure they never, ever share any of their revenue with the people who do the work in the first place.

     

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    zegota (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:59am

    Re: Question though...

    Of course. Plenty of writers are members of multiple organizations, such as the Authors Guild, RWA, SFWA, HWA, etc.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 10:16am

    Re: Re:

    Marijuana also has no medicinal properties, I mean, that's what the federal government continues to say. Why would they lie about that? What purpose could it possibly serve?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 10:44am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    but as masnick always tells them, that only brings your attention to them.

    And so even more people learn what a batshit insane jackass OOTB is. Your point?

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 11:01am

    Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    In the same fashion that all of my money came from a pot of gold a leprechaun gave me, which I don't like to talk about, and for the same reason: both claims are false.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 11:26am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    Freehadist, you mean.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 11:36am

    Re: Wrongo.

    Not necessarily. Perhaps, if a half-decent system for archiving books online had already been in place, Google wouldn't have wanted to build an offering.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 11:42am

    Re: Re: Re:

    And you clearly represent Big Antirational.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 11:45am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    You're seriously asking how this site draws its audience...?


    Fuck off.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 12:42pm

    Re: Re: Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    Yeah, still waiting on someone to actually prove that little canard. Good luck with that, by the way.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 12:55pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    Freehadist, you mean.

    Ha. I can make up my own useless words too.

    How about "hasbeenist" for all those aging artists pining for their glory days and bitching about all these youngsters on their collective cyber-lawns?

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Dec 11th, 2012 @ 3:46pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Two words: Tobacco profits.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 11th, 2012 @ 9:23pm

    Google claims to be the new author's guild.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:14am

    Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "On the larger front, I've several times mentioned that everyone CAN avoid seeing nearly all advertisements on the net, and I think that'll eventually collapse it in some way."

    You can also time-shift DVR recordings to bypass/avoid commercials, and that hasn't destroyed that income source for tv stations/networks.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:17am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "However, for at least the last few weeks you've been commenting on every single thread, often the first poster, usually without reading the actual article first."

    He probably bills his masters by the post, so he comments without putting any thought into it just to log an entry...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:20am

    Re: Re: "What about me?" -- It's ALL about you, isn't it, Mike?

    "Well, the Romance Writers of America currently has 10,000 members, so right there is a writer's organization that has a better claim to representing authors than the Authors Guild does."

    Add the Writers Guild of America and the Science Fiction Writers' Association (Note there is some overlap between the three).
    Each has more members than the "Authors Guild".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:22am

    Re: WHERE are these advertisements? WHERE does Mike's "living" come from?

    "C'mon, Mike, you STATED that "I make my living writing". You need at the very least to detail HOW."

    You bill your masters by the post.
    That's why you do numerous entries that make no actual sense, simply to log a billable item.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:23am

    Re: Re: Re:

    "He doesn't represent writers. He represents Big Search, Big Hardware and Big Piracy in their relentless quest to make sure they never, ever share any of their revenue with the people who do the work in the first place."

    Like Big Media?
    (Did you know that, according to studio acounting, AVATAR still hasn't made a profit?)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:25am

    Re:

    "Is there another author's group who advocates for writers interests that you think is more deserving of that title than the Author's Guild?"

    Writers Guild of America.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 12th, 2012 @ 6:26am

    Re:

    "I'd argue that the AFL-CIO is the leading advocate for workers interests. Even though the percentage of the workforce that are union members is a tiny fraction of the total workforce. The AFL is engaged on issues important to all workers, union and non-union alike. Does the fact that their membership is a small percentage diminish the benefit to other workers?"

    Which is exactly why Republicans in Michigan and other states are trying to destroy the AFL-CIO.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 17th, 2012 @ 9:28am

    Re: Nothing is true

    the nation's leading advocate for PROFESSIONAL writers' interests,

     

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