Just the other week (which, you will note, is after the megaupload shutdown) my little nephew said he wanted to be a musician when he grew up (suck on that firefighting industry!)

I didnt see that reported here!

Clearly the megaupload shutdown is encouraging new artists to enter the field.

Unfortunately, the stories don’t actually have any data. The first one is totally anecdotal, concerning a guy who now goes to the movie rental store to rent (physical) movies since the shutdown of Megaupload,

You mention the anecdotal evidence of a single video shop owner but ignore the information given by an online rental business serving that market, that presumable has much broader and significant evidence.

OK, how about this one for a size: it’s a story about one guy (me) who after Megaupload shutdown DID NOT visit ANY TV station’s website. Nor that I was visiting them before. That should qualify for an evidence (of whatever), doesn’t it? What I did though, I changed from Megaupload to totally another file sharing site.

I wonder what the defenders of site seizures are going to say now with this “statistics”?

I would agree. If they could watch the shows freely and instantly via streaming on the official site or download them from megaupload and they chose to download there is probably plenty of work to be done on those network sites. These people will use the network site until they find a better alternative legitimate or otherwise, because there is a reason they were not using it in the first place and chose a different, less safe and slower service.

Failure to provide sources now apparently are endemic.

Sure man what about the other 15% though? Just try and leave that out like we can’t add.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/hedgewars.mirror/

Almost forgot, anybody insterested in playing Hedge Wars(Turn based strategy/action game with pink hedgehogs, they are pink!), it is free and open source people.

I love that game, been playing for a few years now. Better then Worms Reloaded.

I’m just going to get this out of the way, as pointless and a waste of time as it is nonetheless…

bob “paywall” DOES NOT mean what YOU think it means.

Kevin Smith/Louis CK’s “paywalls” ARE NOT “paywalls” in the same manner as the NY Times paywall was/is.

In fact, they’re not even paywalls. At all.

You seem to think that having to pay for something automatically makes it a paywall. The word “stupid moron” springs rapidly to mind when I see your “definition” of a paywall (although you don’t state the definition as such, it’s readily inferred based on your use of the word and the “examples” you give to prove yourself correct).

Shut the fuck up already dude.

You’re a fucking joke around here. As in the butt of the joke.

Seriously, how old are you? 85?

What middle man? Artist can finance their own movie today using services like Kickstarter. The question is why aren’t they flocking to Kickstarter. If Kickstarter offers a more lucrative, and easier path we should see hundreds of big production movies coming from there. Where are these productions? Where are the fil producers, why are they still using the movie studios to finance their movies? The answer is simple the studios DO actually contribute a great deal to these productions, beyond fronting the money for securing the rights to the screen play, paying the production crew, and utilizing their established distribution network, they also promote the film. There are thousands of independent films produced each year, but how many of them do you actually hear about? How many of them will be seen by more than a few thousand people at best? How many of them will only be seen by immediate family members and friends of the people who produced them? Like it or not the studios do contribute a great deal to the films they finance.

Pissed off? Unable to find files?

Do you even know how the internet works?

It routes AROUND damage. So these “pissed off” people you seem to claim are out there, were probably pissed off for like, I dunno, 24 to 48 hours, and then they A) found everything they wanted when it got uploaded somewhere else B) they found a torrent of it or C) they moved on to something else. And since you mentioned it was a forum, I bet most of the dead links got responses that listed where the content can be found on other services that aren’t mega.

Haha. I just have to laugh. Here you are using the internet to post but you don’t realize this exact system is why most people aren’t having any of he reactions you claim them to be having.

What is your source for that?

Sorry dude, the long term is the loosening of the monopoly control and recapture of the commons by the public, where you and your pals will be out of a job.

Besides haven’t you people learned anything?
You shutdown Napster people moved on, you shutdown Grokster people moved on and year after year after year piracy keeps going up not down, just like the reveneues from the entertainment industry.

If you people were serious you would sue each and every user who download something that will teach them to have self-control. But that is not what you people want, you want the sheep to be dumb and impulsive, because if they stopped to think about it and had any self control they wouldn’t waste money at all on you people ever, because it brings nothing to their lifes.

Are you saying the older you get the dumb you are?

Why do you care? What possible interest is it of yours how much Hollywood makes? Are you really that scared there won’t be any more Transformer movies?

“Does it “help” the entertainment business? Clearly any time legal action results in a significant change to the landscape, there will be people who reconsider the pirating option. Anyone using a piracy forum right now to source content is probably very pissed off, unable to find files. If you are in the US, you are doubly screwed, often unable to access the file locker sites at all.”

Eh, most major piracy forums just started rebuilding, went to private tracking, jumped into direct connections hubs (private or public) etc…etc…etc… At least most the ones I’ve seen have.

Which really is just a better form of service, and helps to diversify the methods of getting the content. Hell there were actually even some piracy forums that got entire userbases invited to other forums that used methods other than cyberlockers in order to get the content back out there ASAP. You can’t stop the signal man.

We have all seen what RIAA and MPAA do to consumers. My question is what do they dor for consumers? Seriously, I have no clue what they do for me or any other consumers.

Did you see he posting his sources for any of his diatribe?

Its you that doesn’t get out, boy.

You are so excited at the thought of hundreds of thousands of people being pissed off, you forgot that’s ITS THE INTERNET, stupid.

As I said before, it routes around damage. Even if the links don’t get replaced or corrected, its not like they can’t use a search engine to find another copy.

Or go to a torent site.

Or another cyberlocker (they aren’t ALL gone)

Or they found something else to download.

Get a clue. They most certainly are not still pissed off this far from the mega seizure. They most likely got over it the day or 2 afterward.

Firefly!

No, it hasn’t. Now I refuse giving money to the entertainment industry.

#BLACKMARCH starts tomorrow

This is funny because it’s true.

Nope, I don’t get out much. I spend most my time online on the exact sort of private links sites we’re discussing, which is why I know that after megaupload went down a great deal of sites that incentivize uploading of popular content by their users (most of them invite only cites) made a huge push to switch their content over to places such as multiupload or mediafire (often by offering increased rewards for reuploading items). Meanwhile they setup, as I said before but you ignored, direct swap methods for files such as DC++ hubs, temporary private trackers, or teamed up with existing private trackers to get the bits flowing again. Hell for new users of these sites its the best time ever, they can re-upload all the files they downloaded and get credits for it.

They took down megaupload, but what was that? 1 site, where a bunch of files were stored. People downloaded those files. So they can and are re-uploading them.

This is the problem with the approach to piracy thus far. You can’t sue everyone who’s uploading and downloading, it’s been tried and it doesn’t work. So you move to the sites. Well if you’re suing them then we’ll just keep uploading and move to other sites, or setup direct peer to peer methods. So you try and shut it down completely and we switch to encrypting everything or sneaker net. Megaupload only inconvenienced those who had someone else show them what to do to get their music. Now those people are asking their friends what to do now, and they’re being told oh, just do X. It’ll take a month or two tops to get the content back up that’s missing.

What would you have done if there wasn’t a simple alternative? What would you do if the new site gets shut down, and the one after that, and the one after that?

Clearly, you still want the content – why do you insist on getting it illegally?

Well, i can safely say, that i can go without their content, i will not help support the actions of these cronies

When they say profits have decreased, dont blame piracy, blame yourselfs, for attacking something through ignorance

Internet has built many little cyber societies if you will, which you neither respect nor acknowledge, dont expect us to be meek about it, the writting is on the wall.
If you want to break then mould the internet with our blessing, you’ll have to make laws against things the internet users dont want abused, like privacy and such, even then, the less you break, the better.

And while you’re at it, laws against politicl corruption and lobbyism, and reform of the copyright and the patent systems, thaaaaanks, that’ll be peachy fellas

Oh yes, people in other countries are nothing like us i forgot there is a reason we call then aliens.

Certainly. But their are actual studies that have looked at this topic. One random internet poll does not make a fact, http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/08/another_idiotic_poll_do_you_think_vaccin.php

We know nothing about the age, or income of those polled. Let alone how much they spent before v how much they spend now, meaning the people who answered they stopped all spending might have only bought an album a year while those that say they buy more could by 100 albums a year. I think there is little factual data you can get from this poll. Which does not mean I wouldn’t like to see a lot more studies in this vain.

There’s another difference between what you can get on torrent sites and what you can get on French sites – movies are dubbed in France, so if you want to see the original content, the only place you can get it is on torrent sites. I’d really rather hear Robert de Niro’s voice than some French actor I’ve never heard about. Not to mention how much is lost in translation. Why do they dub movies in France? Because the actor’s union demanded it – and then they wonder why French people don’t learn any foreign languages.

Because they are freeloaders.

If Sweden has no bearings on the US market why bother trying to shut down a site that is no longer hosted there?

Alright then. The experiment was a success! Now I know what “they” are going to say. Looking at the AC’s comment they are obviously going to twist my words to mean that I am an infringer, a pirate, a freetard, and a scumbag. Although there was no mention about infringing, pirating or getting anything illegally, or content for free…

Poor bastards… They just cant stand a different point of view.

I tried visiting a tv website once, I got that my area is blacked out.Now what motivation do I have to visit them when I cant even watch the show. Not even a method for subscibing. Screw that (NBC).

I think file sharing can be a good but you have a point, especially with the forum thing.

For the record I think it can be a good thing because I believe we live in the age of communication and freedom of communication increases education which increases. That increases innovation as long as people are willing to innovate. If people are not willing it causes problems. I ask then, do you want better stuff?

Oh they were probably upset, sure they could figure out a new way though. I, myself, hate dead links, its annoying but yes, there is always another way around.