Gov't Able To Keep Details Entirely Private In 'Public' Hearing Over Twitter Subpoena

from the what-case? dept

We've been hearing more and more stories about the government being extra secretive in so many things, avoiding scrutiny at every turn, and here's yet another example. You may have heard that, last month, the Boston police, along with a Massachusetts ADA, sent a vague and broad subpoena to Twitter, demanding "all available subscriber info... including address logs for account creations," for any activity between December 8th and December 13th, 2011 for the following list:
  • Guido Fawkes
  • @p0isAn0N
  • @OccupyBoston
  • #BostonPD
  • #d0xcak3
This is kind of a weird list. While the second and third items on the list are usernames, the rest are not, so it's not entirely clear what Twitter would need to send in response to those requests. #BostonPD, in particular, is a bit weird, since it's just a tag. It seems like the police are fishing for any info on anyone who used that hashtag over a five day period.

Either way, the subpoena asks Twitter to keep the subpoena itself secret:
In order to protect the confidentiality and integrity of the ongoing criminal investigation, this office asks that you not disclose the existence of this request to the subscriber as disclosure could impede the ongoing criminal investigation.
However, it appears that Twitter did, in fact, forward the subpoena on to the user @p0isAn0N, who posted it publicly. That resulted in the ACLU jumping on board to represent the anonymous user of that account and to protect the subpoena... leading to a bizarre and Kafkaesque hearing in which the case itself was never even named and the government representatives conferred privately (without the other side's lawyers) for an extended period of time, and then everything was put under a gag order for the parties who did hear what was going on. I'll let Kade Crockford from the ACLU explain the situation. He had gone to the court to hear what happened and basically heard a lot of nothing:
We entered the courtroom. I sat in the front row, behind the bar. Presiding Judge Carol Ball called our cooperating attorney Peter Krupp’s name, and the Assistant District Attorney’s name. She did not call out the name of the case to begin the proceedings, as is custom.

The ADA approached the sidebar, the area adjacent to the judge’s perch, far enough away from us, the general public, that we couldn’t hear the content of the hushed conversation spoken there. Krupp objected immediately, before even approaching the bench; he wanted the case heard in open court. (The judge had already sealed the proceedings the day before, pending a hearing this morning.) Krupp’s objection was not granted. Our legal team therefore approached the sidebar, joining the judge and the prosecution.

Then we among the general public, including journalists from all the major media outfits in Boston, listened and heard nothing, as the prosecutors, our lawyers and the judge conversed secretly, in plain sight. I have no idea what they said. I still don’t know, because my colleagues, lawyers at the ACLU of Massachusetts, are prohibited by court order from telling me.

So all I know is what I saw. As Donald Rumsfeld said, there are known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns. After the proceedings this morning, I’m left with little of the former, and a whole lot of the latter two.

The known knowns: the scrum of lawyers, defense and prosecution, addressed the judge. I saw the judge speak to the lawyers. Then I saw our attorneys return to their bench, closer to where I was sitting, out of earshot of the sidebar. But the ADA stayed with the judge. He spoke to her, with his back to the courtroom, for about ten minutes. Our attorneys didn’t get to hear what he said to her, didn’t have a chance to respond to whatever the government was saying about our client, about the case. It was frankly shocking.

After those ten minutes of secret government-judge conversation, our attorneys were invited back to the sidebar, whereupon the scrum of lawyers spoke with the judge for another ten or fifteen minutes. Then they dispersed. The judge uttered not one word to the open court. And that was it.
After this, the lawyers for the ACLU were only able to say that they couldn't say anything. They couldn't say what the judge said or decided. They couldn't say if the judge granted the ACLU's motion to quash the subpoenas. Basically, the public knows nothing. The government, I'm sure, insisted that this was all a matter of great importance and a criminal investigation for which it must be kept secret -- but it's getting more and more difficult to believe the government when it keeps trying to brush pretty much everything it can under the rug. Furthermore, if this were truly a key criminal investigation, shouldn't the subpoena have actually been narrowly focused on the key issue, rather than seeking subscriber info on everyone who used the hashtag #BostonPD?


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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:31pm

    Correct Response

    If you ever get this:
    "In order to protect the confidentiality and integrity of the ongoing criminal investigation, this office asks that you not disclose the existence of this request to the subscriber as disclosure could impede the ongoing criminal investigation."
    Ignore it--when approached again by the same group for the same reason, you can legally not disclose the existence of said request (eg deny having ever seen it).

    ;-P

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:42pm

    Scary Stuff Our government treads heavily where all governments should tread softly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:45pm

    Its very simple what happened and i will now demonstrate in very clear language. It was a you know what in which a nudge nudge wink wink and an engima in secret sauce was confirmed by mr Ahhemmmmmm.

    Easy.

     

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    hmm (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:45pm

    Why not

    Get everyone in the ACLU trained to lipread? :)

    and everyone in the public gallery too............

     

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    hmm (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:45pm

    Why not

    Get everyone in the ACLU trained to lipread? :)

    and everyone in the public gallery too............

     

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    MAJikMARCer (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:48pm

    My guess...

    My guess is that the government is trying to setup the case that there is some terroristic threat going on using Twitter.

    Silence the dissenters and toss them in Guantanamo.

    I don't personally care if they have the legal ability to do this, it's NOT right. The government hides things from the public left and right and then expects the people to just trust it without question? Yea...no.

     

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      BeeAitch (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:37pm

      Re: My guess...

      Funny, initially I read your first sentence as:
      My guess is that the government is trying to setup the case that there is some terrortastic threat going on using Twitter.

       

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      nasch (profile), Jan 4th, 2012 @ 9:14am

      Re: My guess...

      I'm wondering if the whispered conversation started out with "Just tell me what the hell this twitter thing is."

       

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    hmm (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 12:49pm

    although

    Anyone disputing the judge's decision can now happily be listed as an "enemy combatant", arrested without trial and sent to guantanamo until the war on terror is over...as long as they are classed as "anti-government".

    Well done on signing away the constitution with 1847 Obama..well done, I'm sure your name is going down in history....

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 4th, 2012 @ 12:25am

      Re: although

      Correction: anyone can be detained until any war anywhere is over forever. Including wars against abstract things, such as "war on drugs", "war on poverty" and related wars.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:00pm

    So, how much further until people get convicted without their knowledge and then locked away without the public's?

     

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      :Lobo Santo (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:06pm

      Re: ...when was it

      For all we know, that's happening now.

       

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        Anonymous Coward (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:10pm

        Re: Re: ...when was it

        we did just execute an american citizen by presidential fiat without any semblance of a trial last year. terrorist, remember?

        due process is for other people. besides, he wasn't actually IN america, now was he?

         

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          Chosen Reject (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:57pm

          Re: Re: Re: ...when was it

          I read some comments attached to an article about the park ranger killed in Mt Rainier the other day. One of them said that the killer shouldn't even get a trial and should just be taken out back and shot. I don't think they ever bothered to consider how they'd know the right person is being taken out back. I fear that most people are in agreement with the commenter - the accused are guilty, otherwise they wouldn't be accused, so trials are simply annoying formalities that ought to be done away with.

          I really hope that's not the case, but if it is, then the government could start executing people at will and few would question it. Some secret investigation determined that someone was guilty of something and the attorney general agreed, so no judge or jury is needed. Sad indeed.

           

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:14pm

        Re: Re: ...when was it

        I think you'll find that the government has a signed confession for every person killed in secret, oh ye of little faith.

         

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          Drew (profile), Jan 4th, 2012 @ 12:37am

          Re: Re: Re: ...when was it

          I'm sure if they don't have one right now, they will provide one if asked...

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 26th, 2012 @ 11:38pm

          Re: Re: Re: ...when was it

          Mind, they won't let you read it, and certainly won't admit that it exists in anything other than vague, non-committal words... but rest assured, they do have it.

           

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        khory (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:41pm

        Re: Re: ...when was it

        It wouldn't surprise me.

        I don't think its that far off until we get start getting convicted in secret and get taken to the Ministry of Love for re-education.

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:18pm

    B....but think of the Joe Lieberman!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:21pm

    The new 7 steps towards establishing a dictatorship in the US

    1) Arrest anyone who dared use the #BostonPD hashtag twitter to criticize the Boston Police Department.

    2) When backlash to above arrests happen, start a PR campaign to defend arrests of people criticizing the Boston PD by arguing that only lawbreakers or unpatriotic people who hate America would criticize the Boston PD.

    3) Start arresting anyone who criticizes the police or military on twitter, argue only lawbreakers, terrorists, or unpatriotic people who hate America would oppose such action.

    4) When inevitable public backlash on the assault of free speech occurs, declare martial law and the constitution suspended in the name of security & dealing with pesky free speech protesters, who clearly must be terrorists who hate America.

    5) When the Supreme Court rules against you declaring martial law and suspending the constitution indefinitely, as no such emergency clause exists in the US constitution, throw the justices in jail in the name of national security. Replace Supreme Court justices with some of your biggest political contributors in past elections.

    6) Outlaw running against incumbents in elections, and repeal term limits, so you can insist that the people MUST love you if they keep on unanimously voting you back in! Use big victories to justify keeping 'emergency' security measures in place indefinitely.

    7) Pass more legislation to help your biggest political donors make more money, take 5 to 10% of your donor's future profits and put it in your own wallet.

     

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    NullOp, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 1:48pm

    Deception and Secrets...

    I wish I could say America is still the country I grew up in but it is not. There is so much lying, deception and stealing it is physically sickening to see what America has come to be.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 4:23pm

      Re: Deception and Secrets...

      Actually, not much has changed. If you look at the history of secret trials in the US this is pretty old stuff. The only thing that is differnt is that the internet is allowing information about such proceedings to spread widly rather then quietly get ignored by the newspapers.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 2:10pm

    Keep in mind that the Boston Police Department...

    ...are the same hopelessly ignorant, mind-numbingly stupid assholes who blew up a traffic counter and an Aqua Teen Hunger Force promo device. The most likely explanation is that they don't want to explain what they want in open court, because defense counsel, defendants, and any half-educated onlookers will all collapse in uncontrollable laughter as they feebly try to explain Teh Intertubes and Tweeter.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 3:05pm

    Oh my, I follow both of those twitter accounts. :/

     

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    Christopher (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 3:17pm

    Fourth box.

    Why not? They use gunpoint to trample due process and transparent government...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 3:30pm

    Next time I go to a courtroom, I'm bringing a Sonic Ear. Of course, then I might risk going to jail for eavesdropping on a public hearing...

     

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    Violated (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 3:45pm

    Guido

    Well a lip reader in court would have got up half the story.

    I cant believe they would want a general name like 'Guido Fawkes'. Around November 5 that name for us British is as common as Santa Clause and The Tooth Fairy.

    The said criminal has been long dead after he was hanged, drawn & quartered, then his various parts were burned on a bonfire.

    I think Mr Fawkes would have been rather shocked to hear his name used on a criminal court case hundreds of years later. My point here is wanting that name is like asking Twitter to supply all tweets on 'George Bush' when some who use that name could be criminals!

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 4:22pm

      Re: Guido

      I think Mr Fawkes would have been rather shocked to hear his name used on a criminal court case hundreds of years later.

      Probably not as shocked as he would be to see it used as part of a plot in a hit hollywood movie:

      SPEECH>

      "because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen the enunciation of truth, and the truth is there is something terribly wrong with this country"

      "fairness, justice and fredom are more than word, they are perspectives"

       

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 4:37pm

    This topic got derailed on Boingboing by someone pointing out that the "target" was promoting Operation Robin Hood, a buncha charges to stolen credit cards donated to charities, and that someone promoting this needs to be dealt with.
    The problems with that...

    1 - It predates the op being promoted.
    2 - It is in the time frame when Occupy Boston was being dismantled.
    3 - Guido Fawkes is the name used by a UK Blogger, and appeared as the "real name" of @p0isAn0N.
    4 - Boston is requesting information on possibly THOUSANDS of people who might have tweeted or retweeted messages bearing these hashtags.
    5 - There was a dox release from a "private" server of BPD names and such, and the tag #d0xcak3 was used.

    This is a grandstanding play, executed in a completely stupid way. If they thought the ACLU was bothersome when they showed up to their secret meeting to protect 1 persons information, how will they feel with thousands of people who might have merely retweeted or tweeted a message of support of Occupy Boston trying to fight this poorly crafted information grab without any judicial oversight?

    An analogy would be sending one of these requests to Google demanding the IP addresses of every person who used a set of search terms for a 1 week period and demanding (with no force of law) that it be kept secret from those people. See the only people I see getting away with that nowdays are private for profit extortion mills who have a former RIAA lobbyist as their Judge. She feels people do not have any right to privacy until they are actually named, while letting people request lots of information about them on questionable "evidence" that has never been demonstrated to be true and factual.

    At some point someone needs to point out that subscriber information is not a cookie jar you can just raid whenever you want. We are supposed to have free speech in this country, as long as we are in a clearly marked free speech zone 15 miles from where anyone might hear us. The chilling effect here is because you supported people protesting the government, Boston now gets to build a file on you. It doesn't matter if your in California, Florida, or another country. They can get your information and then decide they want more for their "secret" hearing and profile everyone who was against their actions at Occupy Boston, or who enjoyed seeing them being taken down a peg.

    I would like to point out that last time we saw grand standing like this was some AG's looking for reelection or new elected office taking on Craigslist. The result there was tools used to stop the trafficking in people, were lost. The AG's, in some cases, were acting well outside the definition of their office and authority. It would be horrible for someone running for office to not get the Police Union support, how many people need to be harassed to win their support and does that outweigh the right to privacy.
    People will say they are Anons they don't deserve the same rights as everyone else, I point out how well that has worked so far in history (protip: when they take away everyone else you disliked, then they come for you).
    Why would someone need a Grand Jury to pursue someone who they are so sure they can prove "broke" into a system and released information?
    Given their apparent lack of understanding of twitter, its possible they will need to subpoena someone to explain how computers work.
    That or maybe they just want to build secret files like the FBI kept on 60's "radicals" who protested peacefully for peace... because I am sure that police showing up to question an employee would look cool to an employer. All because that person retweeted a request for blankets or something for Occupy Boston, we didn't make them get fired we aren't responsible for what an employer might do to people we show up and question.

    Its 2012, can you smell the Tyranny?
    First they came for the Muslims, and I said nothing because Fox told me to fear Muslims.
    Then they came for the Brown people, and I said nothing because Fox told me Brown people stole my job.
    Then they came for Anonymous, and I said nothing because Fox told me LolCat meme's lead to Erectile Dysfunction.
    Now they are here for me, why isn't there anyone saying anything?

     

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      MrWilson, Jan 3rd, 2012 @ 4:43pm

      Re:

      I think by the time they finally come for us, the police/soldiers will have News Corps sponsorship patches on their government-issued uniforms.

       

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    United States of Terrorism, Jan 4th, 2012 @ 3:02am

    Consitution fail

    The United States is the biggest terrorist organization in the world. It funds terrorist organizations (when convenient), executes and murders people, has secret prisons, and doesn't follow its own laws. How is that not a greater threat than Al Queda?

     

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    Sky Song, Jan 30th, 2012 @ 5:34pm

    twitter

    Can't anyone search twitter? Why is a subpoena necessary?

     

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    Sky Song, Jan 30th, 2012 @ 5:34pm

    twitter

    Can't anyone search twitter? Why is a subpoena necessary?

     

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