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Fair Use Or Fairly Useless?

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    johnjac (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 6:58am

    Fair Use is a Defense

    "Fair use is a defense, not a right" says Copyright Holder with a gun.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 6:59am

    2nd Amendment copyright? Wow.

     

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    Nicedoggy, Aug 1st, 2011 @ 7:41am

    There should be a 4th frame in there.
    The one showing Mimi going to the underground and joining the rebels alliance.

    People take away all the legal options people have, sooner or later they will join the "other side" of the debate.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2011 @ 7:57am

    Is this meant to be your shield? A piece of paper?

     

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    A.R.M. (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 7:59am

    Well, it's under Section 8 for a reason.

    IT'S INSANE.

    But, just like poor Klinger, it's not insane enough.

     

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      Marcus Carab (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 9:18am

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      A+ seconded. I recently started re-watching M*A*S*H from the first episode, sans laugh-track (which makes it so much better) and it still holds up today as an amazing show

      ‎"Without love, what are we worth? Eighty-nine cents. Eighty-nine cents worth of chemicals walking around lonely." - Hawkeye Pierce

       

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      Marcus Carab (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 9:19am

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      er... was looking in flattened mode and thought other AC's "A+ for the reference" was directed at you.

      So A+ not "seconded". Instead I move that this reference also be graded A+ :)

       

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    pegr, Aug 1st, 2011 @ 8:51am

    Nina scores again...

    While Mike has been singing the praises of Nina and her crazy experiences with the soundtrack to "Sita" for awhile now, I've only recently indulged myself in her work. What a fool I've been for waiting.

    Nina (er, Ms. Paley?), great stuff! I've also managed to make a few more fans for you. I want a Mimi and Eunice t-shirt!

    ;)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2011 @ 10:28am

    It's an amusing cartoon, if it was true. But really, fair use has continued to be expanded since it's legal creation, not contracted. Nobody is shooting holes in it, rather it is being claimed as a defence for everything under the sun, and failing in many of them. That doesn't mean fair use is failing, just the people who try to use it to cover questionable activities.

    Once again, Nina preaches to the choir. A few giggle, anyone with a brain dismisses it for the propaganda it really is.

     

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      Gabriel Tane (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 10:57am

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      " But really, fair use has continued to be expanded since it's legal creation, not contracted."
      aaaaaaand no citation. Not suprised.

      "Nobody is shooting holes in it, rather it is being claimed as a defence for everything under the sun, and failing in many of them."
      Interesting that you don't address whether or not those defenses could be accurate and fair defenses... just that they're losing. And you also don't go out to state that the defenses are being denied on correct and fair interpretation of Fair Use... after all, we've seen over the last few months that many judicial entities are interpreting the law in what could be considered 'questionable ways'. Without citations to back up your claims, Iím going to hang my hat on this side of the pole. Itís just as reasonable as yours.

      So, is Nina trying to say that Fair Use is bleeding on the floor? Maybe, maybe not. Is it clear, to those of us who feel that Fair Use is being shot down out-of-hand, that it is not as formidable a protection as it once was (and should be)? Apparently.

      "Once again, Nina preaches to the choir. A few giggle, anyone with a brain dismisses it for the propaganda it really is."
      ZZZZZZOMG! You mean Nina drew a political cartoon which expresses her opinion and posted it on her website which is probably viewed by those who share that opinion!?!?111!?!?!??!11111one!!2

      Nina! You evil, dastardly, devious, subversive mind! Propaganda?! Sounds like something the NAZIS would use!!!! YOU MUST BE CHANNELING SCHWEITZER!!!!!!!!one!!!o!!!n!!!e!!!

      crap. broke the exlaimation button on my keyboard. Well, AC, I hope I successfully illustrated how foolish that last part of your opinion [sic] was.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2011 @ 12:59pm

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        Oh Gabriel, why would a citation be needed? Since the creation of fair use, there has been plenty of well documented and well discussed expansion of it. One only has to look at the results of the VHS taping debate to know that. We also all know that things like time shifting television through digital methods has been allowed, extending fair use rights.

        As for Nina's cartoon, I disagree with the opinion, I find it to be without merit, and mostly the whining of someone still pissed off because she can't make a living on the back of other people's work.

        Perhaps you would like to stick to debating the concepts rather than going for mocking. It makes you sound like an idiot.

         

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          Gabriel Tane (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 2:00pm

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          "Oh Gabriel, why would a citation be needed? Since the creation of fair use, there has been plenty of well documented and well discussed expansion of it."
          When you say things like 'well documented' and 'well discussed' without citations, people (rightfully) think you're pulling things out of your ass. And if it is so 'well documented', leaving out the citations is lazy at best... dishonest at worst.

          "One only has to look at the results of the VHS taping debate to know that."
          You and I have a different opinion of "know" and "expand". I look at the VHS (and other such situations) as the spirit of Fair Use being applied to new technology that has never been addressed before. Since the spirit has not been changed, I wouldn't call that 'expansion' in the same tone you use.


          " As for Nina's cartoon, I disagree with the opinion, I find it to be without merit, and mostly the whining of someone still pissed off because she can't make a living on the back of other people's work."
          and your opinion has been noted and filed under "troll".


          "Perhaps you would like to stick to debating the concepts rather than going for mocking. It makes you sound like an idiot."
          Of what concepts would you be speaking? the only 'concept' (read: opinion) you brought forward that wasn't lacking in needed citation was that this cartoon is propoganda. Sorry, but I fail to see how that concept is worthy of anything but mockery... much less debate.

          I promise you... of the two of us, I'm not the one in danger of looking the fool.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2011 @ 2:17pm

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            Are you kidding? Check this:
            ...ZZZZZZOMG! ...

            ...Sounds like something the NAZIS would use!!!! YOU MUST BE CHANNELING SCHWEITZER!!!!!!!!one!!!o!!!n!!!e!!!...

            You look like quite an idiot. Promise.

             

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          Any Mouse (profile), Aug 1st, 2011 @ 2:01pm

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          You really shouldn't be surprised if you get a cold reception for your posts. You still fail to provide anything other than your opinion, which you are quite welcome to, but if you fail to provide citations to support it, it is only an opinion.

          Are you one of those that decry people going to sites that support your opinion and stating our own? I know there are many that come here and do just that.

           

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    spc, Aug 3rd, 2011 @ 2:16am

    I'd use flamethrower!!

     

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    spc, Aug 3rd, 2011 @ 2:17am

    I'd use flamethrower!!

     

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    HERAPARA JAYDEEP, Oct 17th, 2011 @ 9:28am

    HERAPARA JAYDEEP

    HERAPARA JAYDEEP

     

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    Leandro B, Feb 27th, 2012 @ 10:41am

    School

    How to use fairly,i have an work in the school

     

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