Court Slams FBI For Saying It's Okay For The Federal Government To Lie To A Court

from the who-watches-the-watchers? dept

A few months back, we pointed out how the EFF had discovered that the FBI was extremely arbitrary in how it redacted information on Freedom of Information Act requests. There are specific rules about what should be redacted and what should be allowed. However, the EFF received the same documents from separate requests, and found totally different sections redacted. Not only did this suggest how arbitrary the process was, it also allowed them to see some of what was redacted in the "other" document -- and discover that it never should have been redacted.

Now, the EFF is pointing to a recent ruling that shows the FBI apparently feels it's free to go much further than just arbitrary redacting. In a different case, a district court has slammed the FBI for both lying about what records it actually had in response to an FOIA request by pretending certain records did not exist (even though they did) and then redacting portions of the document, claiming that they were outside the scope of the request... when they were not. The court is clearly not pleased. It also did not buy the government's silly claim that revealing that the FBI lied would be a threat to national security or that it's fine for the federal government to simply lie to a court, in the name of "national security."
After court ordered the FBI to submit full versions of the records in camera, along with a new declaration about the agency’s search, the FBI revealed for the first time that it had materially and fundamentally mislead the court in its earlier filings. The unaltered versions of the documents showed that the information the agency had withheld as “outside the scope” was actually well within the scope of the plaintiffs’ FOIA request. The government also admitted it had a large number of additional responsive documents that it hadn’t told the plaintiffs or the court about. Id. at 7-8.

If these revelations weren’t bad enough, the FBI also argued FOIA allows it to mislead the court where it believes revealing information would “compromise national security.” Id. at 9. The FBI also argued, that “its initial representations to the Court were not technically false” because although the information might have been “factually” responsive to the plaintiffs’ FOIA request, it was “legally nonresponsive.” Id. at 9, n. 4 (emphasis added).

The court noted, this “argument is indefensible,” id. at 9-10, and held, “the FOIA does not permit the government to withhold responsive information from the court.”
It really does seem like our federal government tends to believe that there should be no oversight of it at all. It's almost as if they feel that the basic principles of checks & balances within the government is a nuisance which it can ignore.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 12:17pm

    isn't lying to the court called Perjury and can it also not be construed as obstruction of justice?

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      DannyB (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:25pm

      You don't get it

      When the FIB lies to the court, it's okay because they're the government.

      Always trust the government. They're on your side.

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      Thomas (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:54pm


      lying to the court might be perjury and perhaps an obstruction of justice, but the spooks know full well that they are pretty much immune from any real prosecution.

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        Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 2:28pm

        Re: Re:

        Sovereign immunity?

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          Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 4:53pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          The organization is immune. The individual is not.

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            Lawrence D’Oliveiro, 6 May 2011 @ 6:36pm

            Re: The organization is immune. The individual is not.

            So jail all the individuals, and we’ll see how much of an organization they have left.

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              Christopher (profile), 8 May 2011 @ 7:34pm

              Re: Re: The organization is immune. The individual is not.

              That is exactly what should be done. Jail the individuals and get rid of this sovereign immunity bullhockey as well, FOREVER!

              The fact is that sovereign immunity is only supposed to exist in dictatorial governments.... not democratic ones.

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    Irving, 6 May 2011 @ 12:22pm


    So, who's going to prison for this? Nobody?

    I guess it is legal after all.

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      Joe Publius (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 12:45pm

      Re: Consequences?

      Hear, hear!

      If all these jackals ever get is a stern talking to, then they have absolutely no incentive to stop. They'll just keep on lying to everyone and say it's for our "National Security", and expect us to be fine with the fact that they undermine our very Democracy, and as a result our nation each time they do it.

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      user124, 17 May 2011 @ 1:16pm

      Re: Consequences?

      thats exactly the question i ask everytime when my government is doing something illegal - and guess what the answer is...

      greetings from germany.

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    A non-mouse, 6 May 2011 @ 12:31pm


    IANAL - But if the court orders you to do something (such as submit documents) and you intentionally do not, isn't that contempt of court? Send someone to the cooler for a week or two, the court's message will be heard loud & clear.

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    btr1701 (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 12:33pm


    Seems like the agents who did this should get a contempt citation and the US Attorneys that allowed it should be brought up before the bar on ethics charges.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 12:37pm

      Re: Sanctions

      "Seems like the agents who did this should get a contempt citation and the US Attorneys that allowed it should be brought up before the bar on ethics charges."

      Should? Yes. Will? No way.

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    bugmenot (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 12:39pm


    What the heck would the FBI do if it could not lie?

    They farm raise their liars from kids.

    Racoons strew garbage, dogs steal meat from the table, politicians exploit, and Feds lie.

    It's kind of the natural way of things.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 12:39pm

    A government that has to lie for the sake of 'national security' is one that is responsible for the same wrongdoings that it's allegedly trying to protect us from.

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    Mike42 (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 12:42pm


    Watch out you guys, or some Authoritarian AC will threaten you with Guantanimo Bay! (Or some other silly Government threat)

    So just sit back and take it! Say, "Please, sir, may I have another!"

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 12:53pm

    This sounds more like a fundamental misunderstanding of the FOIA itself, rather than any genuine attempt to mislead - at least, that's what Hanlon's Razor would indicate.

    The FOIA does allow the existence of records to be kept secret for national security concerns, and similarly, records can be factually responsive while being legally nonresponsive. Those have been established by case law as the FOIA Exclusions, of which there are three (not to be confused with exemptions).

    The issue comes into play with the court involvement. It's perfectly defensible for these steps to be taken with regard to the requester. As far as the Court is concerned it would be the FBI's responsibility to approach the court initially, with the concern that there were issues related to the case that required in camera discussion.

    In short, the FBI was potentially right in the idea that certain documents were legally non-responsive and legitimately not disclosed to the requester. During a FOIA appeal or litigation, however, that information cannot be witheld from the arbitrator, becasue the whole point at that juncture is to determine whether or not the judgements made were accurate.

    Aa far as the arbitrary redacting - that's a bit harder. the larger FOIA offices have many many people. Though they SHOULD be organized and coordinated, they often aren't, and the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. On top of that, the FOIA isn't an exact science, and some judgement calls are extremely difficult. On top of that, the FOIA program is notoriously overworked, understaffed, underfunded, and reviled by insiders.

    That being said, I'm not surprised there are huge discrepancies, and I' not trying to excuse it either. Just trying to explain the internal mechanisims and systemic issues that probably led to this.

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      crade (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:00pm


      Yeah, I'm sure they meant well and were just so vastly incompetent that it came across as lying.

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      Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 1:26pm


      It looks to me like they should have went with a non-committal "With the court's permission, We would like to neither confirm or deny document X's existence" and try to convince the court why. Outright lying to a judge is a big no no, and I'm surprised (disappointed) that all they're getting is a stern letter for their punishment. I like these words from the ruling:

      The Government asserts that it had to mislead the Court regarding the Government’s response to Plaintiffs’ FOIA request to avoid compromising national security. The Government’s argument is untenable. The Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court. The United States Constitution entrusts the Judiciary with the power to determine compliance with the law. It is impossible for the Court to determine compliance with the law and to protect the public from Government misconduct if the Government misleads the Court. The Court simply cannot perform its constitutional function if the Government does not tell the truth.

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    crade (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 12:55pm

    Maybe that national security card is finally wearing out.

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    sehlat (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:06pm

    We were warned of this a LONG time ago:

    John 3:20 (New International Version)

    Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

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      Joe Publius (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:27pm

      Re: We were warned of this a LONG time ago:

      Oh, burn.

      I mean it, I think if some of these guys even laid a pinky on a holy book for some court proceding, they'd go up like the Hindenburg.

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      NotMyRealName (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:34pm

      Re: We were warned of this a LONG time ago:

      Aha! That's why gingers are commonly known to be soulless monsters. They burn in the sun because they're evil!

      /mildly un-pc attempt at humor

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    CommonSense (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:27pm

    They're not saying...

    That it's ok for them to break the law... They're saying that when the FBI does it, it isn't against the law...

    Didn't work for Nixon, shouldn't work for these clowns.

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    Overcast (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:29pm

    Government lies.

    Nothing new.

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2011 @ 1:45pm

    It really does seem like our federal government tends to believe that there should be no oversight of it at all. It's almost as if they feel that the basic principles of checks & balances within the government is a nuisance which it can ignore.

    I just want them to declare martial law and get it over with. I'm sick of waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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    Thomas (profile), 6 May 2011 @ 1:52pm


    juts comes naturally to politicians and the spooks.

    They don't really care what the courts tell them, they just go ahead and do what they want. Breaking the law is considered acceptable by not just the spooks, but by all branches of the government.

    Checks and balances is a joke these days anyway. Not only the spooks and the politicians, but also the courts receive nice gifts under the table.

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    Rekrul, 6 May 2011 @ 11:06pm

    It really does seem like our federal government tends to believe that there should be no oversight of it at all. It's almost as if they feel that the basic principles of checks & balances within the government is a nuisance which it can ignore.

    You appear to made a couple of typos. Allow me to correct them for you...

    "Our federal government tends to believe that there should be no oversight of it at all. They feel that the basic principles of checks & balances within the government is a nuisance which it can ignore."

    There, that's better.

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    msdesauliers, 7 May 2011 @ 8:36am


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    Dwyer, James. TWO SECONDS UNDER THE WORLD. Diane publishers 1997.
    The most important book you will read on understanding FBI agents Floyd
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    This book lays out in detail how the FBI engineered
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    Emerson, Steven and Brian Duffy. THE FALL OF PAN AM 103. G.B. Putnam's Sons, 1990.
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    The evidence from the 1999 Civil Trial in Memphis brought by the King
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    FRUHMENSCHEN program set up in the 1920's thru 2010 to target black
    politicians in sting operations without cause because the FBI feels
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    The FBI has Racial Squads in every major American City. The function of the FBI Racial Squad is to assassinate or neutralize
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    Professor Theoharis has compiled a comprehensive listing of books and articles about the F.B.I. up to 1994.

    Thomas, Kenn. THE OCTOPUS. Feral House, 1996.
    Investigates the F.B.I.’s role in the killing of investigative reporter Danny Casolero while he was investigating the October Surprise.

    Turner, William. THE ASSASSINATION OF ROBERT KENNEDY. Thunder Mouth Press, 1993.
    Written by a former F.B.I. agent, it looks at the F.B.I.’s involvement in the assassination of Robert Kennedy.

    Turner, William. REARVIEW MIRROR foreword by Oliver Stone. Penmarin Books CA 2001.
    More updated information on FBI involvement in President Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Assassination written by a former FBI agent.

    U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. WHO IS GUARDING THE GUARDIANS? A Report on Police
    Death Squad activities. 1981.

    Wiener, Jon. GIMME SOME TRUTH. University of California Press, 1999.
    Professor Wiener looks at the 14 year battle with the F.B.I. to get them to release their files on John Lennon.How many rock stars
    has the FBI assassinated?

    http://www.mikeruppert.blogspot.c om/

    SILENCED Jack Cashill
    TRUTH&LIES 911 Mike Ruppert

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    Josef Anvil (profile), 8 May 2011 @ 2:27am

    The Bush Legacy....

    This is the legacy of George W. Bush. Terrorism and National Security now become the excuses to ignore laws. As long as we accept it, it will continue to get worse.

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      Christopher (profile), 8 May 2011 @ 7:17pm

      Re: The Bush Legacy....

      True. Thankfully, more and more people are getting tired of that terrorism cry, realizing that terrorism is no more serious than other mass murderers, and are pushing back.

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    Angry Voter, 22 Dec 2011 @ 12:26am

    There was a silent coup in the US decades ago.

    The occupation government is simply organized crime.

    They deserve as much 'respect' (fear) as the Mexican cartels, no more.

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    miss_2lonely, 23 Dec 2011 @ 9:48pm


    BY: msdesauliers, May 7th, 2011 @ 8:36am

    I found your response: "SUGGESTED READING LIST-annotated bibliography" BY FAR the BEST reply, so far, as it provides AMPLE information & VARIOUS sources for another person to use to research this subject matter further. (Information which I took FULL advantage of!!)
    ;-) Thank you!

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