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Latest Domain Seizures May Come Back To Bite One Of The Biggest Supporters Of Domain Seizures
from the oops dept
Well, this is amusing. With last Friday's seizure of top online poker site domain names, some are noticing that this might come back to haunt one of the biggest supporters of these domain seizures. Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), which has been an incredibly aggressive player when it comes to copyright issues, was one of the key operations that helped the Feds seize some domain names earlier this year.
Yet, it turns out that one of the biggest sponsors of many of the MMA fighters and of StrikeForce -- which UFC recently bought -- was (you guessed it) one of the sites seized, Full Tilt Poker. Oops.
Yet, it turns out that one of the biggest sponsors of many of the MMA fighters and of StrikeForce -- which UFC recently bought -- was (you guessed it) one of the sites seized, Full Tilt Poker. Oops.
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What they don't realise is many of the vidoes that they claim copyright on hosted on sites like youtube, are the very reason people are becoming more & more interested in the sport of mma...
UFC buying out Strikeforce is the worst thing that could have happened to the sport...UFC=Microsoft...buys out the competition whenever it feels threatened.
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Guess I'll go play on any of the hundreds of less-reputable, less secure online poker sites that remain open. Thanks for having my best interests in mind!
PS. The tone of the DoJ press release was tilting with all of its horrible poker metaphors. Way to trivialize the fact that you just took six-figure incomes away from thousands of Americans, asshats. Dozens of my friends are now unemployed.
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Doesn't espn and vs and maybe others
When the US grabs one of these, is it then off line for everyone in the world or just the US?
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For once...
Online poker really *is* used extensively for money laundering by organized crime.
The boss sits down at a virtual table with several of their underlings, and they "just happen" to lose every hand. The boss's online account is - of course - under a false name with winnings transferred to an offshore account in some corrupt Baltic country.
The Online site are complicit. They accept the flimsiest and most obviously forged "identification" and allow people to set up these obviously fraudulent accounts. They do no monitoring of statistically impossible wins and losses (lose *every* hand?).
And money laundering is in fact traditionally the domain of US Customs.
So... I am shocked! Shocked I tell you! To learn that gambling has been going on here!
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This wasn't about laundering money. This was about showing off.
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It's the same thing as the illegal drug trade though. Turn in one of your competitors, you have more money for yourself and your crew.
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> the domain of US Customs.
And yet Customs had nothing to do with these seizures. It was the FBI and DOJ that did it.
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Honestly not even certain why this gets mentioned in the same breath as "in our sites" it looked like a straight criminal investigation, with the domains seized as part of the wrap up
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Stage 1 complete
Stage 2 commencement: legalize poker in US for US based gambling houses.
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In a recent development...
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He bet $500 that they would be ruled unlawful.
So what's the deal?
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Nearly all online poker sites...
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You have no idea what efforts are currently underway to conduct thorough investigation and proper legal proceedings.
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While not thoroughly informed, I have been present at a two conferences attended by a mix of industry, academia and law enforcement.
You sarcasm is misplaced.
The issues are *extremely* tangled, involving international law and countries openly hostile to the US. Countries who feel that there is absolutely nothing wrong with defrauding little old ladies out of their life's savings... as long as they are *American* little old ladies.
LE is not like in the movies where they go gun down the bad guys. They operate under rules that are very restrictive (unlike ICE which I will point out is not a traditional law enforcement agency) and it takes a long time to collect proper evidence and then in many cases it takes even longer for the Attorney General to act on that evidence.
This is just me, but I try not to say disparaging things when I do not know what I am talking about.
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Mah...shut them down.
Sure they catch criminals but what it also tell me that Internet is going to be ruled by government big time...
Soon enough you will have 5912813 laws to follow in order to comply what can you host, write, or register as domain name..
Freedom? What Freedom?
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"We're contacting you following the recent actions by the U.S. government last Friday 15th April.
As you may be aware, Full Tilt Poker is unable to accept "real money" play from U.S. players at the current time, and this includes any deposits or withdrawals. We are working to resolve these issues as soon as possible and will keep you updated as information becomes available to us.
We are deeply sorry for this inconvenience, but these events are beyond our control. Please be assured that your funds are safe, and we thank you for your patience while we do everything in our power to have money returned to those who have requested it as soon as possible.
Please note, that this action only impacts players based in the U.S. and Full Tilt Poker is still fully operational elsewhere. Players can currently access our site at www.fulltilpoker.co.uk which is available using the normal login details.
As always, we appreciate your continued support, and we will provide additional information to you as it becomes available.
Sincerely,
The Full Tilt Poker Affiliate Team"
and it made me feel much safer now that they are issuing an official statement, i hope they enable real money games soon.
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domains seized and cash withheld. still
They SHOULD be subject to similar capital adequacy anf liquidty ratios.
Why can't they return the bankrolls to the righful owners?
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