Lazy TSA Agents Let Thousands Of Bags Through Unscreened (But They Gotta See Us Naked)

from the feeling-safer? dept

While the TSA and the US government continue to insist that it’s absolutely necessary to see passengers naked before they can get on a plane, it appears that not everyone in the TSA is so committed to such thorough searches. Apparently, the feds are investigating a group of 27 TSA agents in Hawaii who apparently just skipped over the part of their jobs where they were supposed to screen luggage. Instead, they just tagged the luggage, saying it was screened and let it go on planes.

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Rick Falkvinge (user link) says:

Laziness or civil disobedience?

I wouldn’t be too quick to write it off as laziness. If I had a governmental job like this, I would consider it my duty to put the rights of citizens before the orders of my superior, and leave the private stuff of ordinary people alone (note: all luggage has gone through X-ray already, this is about actually opening the suitcases).

There is something in the US constitution about unwarranted searches. I’m pretty sure it would apply if tested. In the meantime, I have to applaud these people if driven by motivation of civil disobedience.

If driven by laziness, well, it still shows surveillance doesn’t work.

velox says:

Re: Re: Laziness or civil disobedience?

“You basically give up your right when you buy your ticket. If you choose to not give up your right, you have to find a different means of transportation.”

The TSA is not acting as a private security contractor for private companies, i.e. the airlines. The TSA policy has the force of law, and if you recall, people have been arrested and threatened with criminal charges for resisting these search procedures.
So explain again to me how the US Constitution doesn’t apply.

Also, if someone blew up a boat and the same search procedures were subsequently applied on piers and docks, what will you say then?
I have the right to swim if I don’t like it???

Anonymous Coward says:

It is incredibly easy to find faults like this in a huge system. A small group of workers, who really are suppose to “self-check” each other while working, decide to avoid the work altogether. While it is disappointing, it isn’t unusual in a work force of 40,000 to have a few bad apples.

It is also incredibly easy to stand on the outside taking potshots. Mike, would you care to take the time to elaborate your security plans for flying in the future?

Michial Thompson (user link) says:

Re: Re:

A/C I will Gladly elaborate in place of little mikee…

Return Airport Security to pre-9-11 status. And insteady of treating terrorists like world powers and “going to war” against them, treat them like the common criminals they are.

There was nothing wrong security then and there was no need for Americans to be turned into common criminals who pay to be treated as such.

90% of the pissants screaming for better security at the airports RARELY get on airplanes. Maybe 4 or 6 times a YEAR tops. BUT those pissants scream for better security so those of us who used to fly 2-4 times a WEEK are now forced to waste time and money to feed an industry of perverts and criminals called the TSA.

If the TSA had any serious intentions of increasing security they wouldn’t be harassing the business traveler that they see 2-4 times a WEEK, they would be concentrating on the guys they have never seen or rarely see. The guy there twice a week is obviously there for his JOB. The guy that they rare or never have seen before is more likely to be that “terrorist” they are looking for.

NOT one of the 9-11 bombers, NOR any one of the morons that have attempted since 9-11 have been frequent flyers. ALL of them have been idiots that fly 4-6 times a YEAR.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

So what you are saying is that they should stop checking checked bags, and carry on security should be limited to someone with a wand randonly running it over some parts of your body? We should be allowed to carry on anything to the plane (including hunting knives, etc) and it just shouldn’t be an issue, right?

Would you feel safe knowing the rest of the people on your flight weren’t checked at all?

Black Patriot (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

Would you feel safe knowing the rest of the people on your flight weren’t checked at all?

Funnily enough I probably would.

We should be allowed to carry on anything to the plane (including hunting knives, etc) and it just shouldn’t be an issue, right?

I’d certainly feel better knowing that my fellow passengers were armed instead of helpless victims against any terrorist smart enough to get a weapon through “airport security”.

Jeremy7600 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

How comfortable are you walking down the street? Has everyone else on the street been security checked? for knives, guns and other items, possibly bomb making elem ents? Why are you more concerned about the people on the plane? How many incidents with a knife have their been on a plane recently? Or any weapons? And how many muggings, robberys, assaults with a weapon, have their been on the streets of america or stores or other public places? Sure, the security has stopped all that from getting on the planes so it doesn’t happen. Bullshit.

I don’t care if anyone else has been checked befolre boarding. I worry more about getting killed on the ground by stray gunfire (from anyone, anywhere at anytime) than I would worry about anything happening to me on a plane. Why is it so important to you that people on a plane are checked but not people everywhere else? Is it only possible for people to use a knife on a plane but not anywhere else? WTF?

JackSombra (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

“So what you are saying is that they should stop checking checked bags”
Most country’s in the world were checking checked bags well before 9/11

“and carry on security should be limited to someone with a wand randonly running it over some parts of your body?”
Yes combined with metal detector gates

“We should be allowed to carry on anything to the plane (including hunting knives, etc) and it just shouldn’t be an issue, right?”
No, but then again most country’s would not let you carry weapons on a plane before 9/11 either

Notice the “most country’s” in all the above, because before 9/11 USA did not do many of these things where rest of modern world did.

You see the one thing America does not want to admit, for years they put profits and convenience first and thought about safety and security…well never

Now to “make up” for it they have gone the other way, basically bolting,nailing and welding shut the barn door after the horse has fled

The only rules that really needed changing were

* Locked, reenforced cockpit doors (ffs forget the terrorist, worry about the wackos getting into the cockpit, it was much more likely)
* Banning of all weapons like gun’s/knives from flights unless in cargo hold (and no nail clippers are not a weapon)
* Standard metal detector scan on people
* Standard scanning of all luggage, carry on or hold

Some people think pilots should also be armed, but to those i ask the follow, armed terrorists suddenly try to take over a plane

You have two choices,

a) Have a pilot, with a small amount of firearms/combat training, try to be hero at 30,000 by starting a gun fight in narrow pressurized cabin with you stuck between him and the “terrorists” (and remember, even if he only gets himself killed, he is the pilot of the plane you are currently on, hope you took flying lessons)

b) Have a pilot, safe behind a locked, reenforced door that he will not open under any circumstances, bring the plane to the nearest airport where the professional’s can attempt to end the attack

Which do you pick?

Haapi says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

Pre-9/11 security already handled hunting knives with xray and metal detectors, and we are handling them no better today.

The boxcutters used by the 9/11 hijackers were plastic (still lethal) but enough to intimidate people playing by the “just comply” script in place then.

Between 9/11 and those damn snakes on the plane 🙂 no plane full of people would simply “comply” any more.

Not an Electronic Rodent says:

Re: Re:

Mike, would you care to take the time to elaborate your security plans for flying in the future?

I’d hope they would be the same anyone who doesn’t just want the theatre:
A cost/benefit/risk/drawback analysis for each system or process coupled with a basic understanding that there is no way to make any system or combination of systems 100% effective.
Also an understanding that you can easily a/ Go broke and b/ Turn into the very thing you’re supposed to be defending against by trying and that those are a far greater risk than (barely mathematically distinguishable from zero) risk of an “incident”.
Then an implementation of systems and processes that prevent and/or discourage as much as possible without having egregious effects on what the US tout as the very basis of their country and most of the west consider equally to be basic rights and ideally without raising taxes sky high.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

That would be a fairly vapid answer. Lots of buzzwords, lots of “risk assessment” noise, but nothing practical on the ground.

We know the risks: Carry on weapons, carry on bombs, bombs in checked luggage. Those are the major issues. Now, knowing the issues, what do you propose? Try to answer without a buzzword.

Dark Helmet (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

“We know the risks”

Let’s just stop right there. Because that’s a lie. Everyone does NOT know the risks. They know what they hear bandied about with the same “buzzwords” you’re upset about.

So, since you apparently DO know, what is the risk of being harmed by a weapon/bomb on a plane? What were the risks pre-9/11 and post-9/11.

And when your research ends up confirming that we all should have better freaking things to think about than the miniscule threat of terrorism, try REALLY hard not to start spouting off bullshit to cover up your mistake….

Anonymous a-hole says:

Re: Re:

It is incredibly easy to find faults like this in a huge system.

When the system has been shown overall (and not just the random fuck up) to be completely worthless for stopping, it’s no longer nit-picking to find fault.

For my part, I don’t hate the TSA. They could be a force for preventing additional plane-based bombings. They could be a lot of things, but what they’re doing in the name of security is intrusive, unnecessary, demonstrably not effective and possibly unconstitutional.

For what it’s worth, I rarely fly, and I see it as a huge problem. It’s one of the reasons I try to take the trains in the dense Northeast corridor rather than get of a jet anywhere – not because jets are dangerous (they’re not) but because I’ve no desire to be gate-raped for the crime of having bought a ticket.

V says:

Silliness

“It is incredibly easy to find faults like this in a huge system. A small group of workers, who really are suppose to “self-check” each other while working, decide to avoid the work altogether. While it is disappointing, it isn’t unusual in a work force of 40,000 to have a few bad apples.”

I assume you are jesting, otherwise we simply have to assume you are naive or stupid… or both.

Other instances have been pointed out and this is simply the tip of the iceberg. I suspect even more instances and corruption will come out.

It’s naive to think that this is an isolated instance.

“It is also incredibly easy to stand on the outside taking potshots. Mike, would you care to take the time to elaborate your security plans for flying in the future?”

I suspect Mike’s version of security wouldn’t include unconstutional searches, invasive systems proven to be ineffective and lack of legitimate profiling.

We should be spending more time searching travelers who fit the profile and less time searching old people with urine bags.

Anonymous Coward says:

Why does the TSA want to see people naked?

Why does the TSA want to see people naked? Is there a 25-words or less, adjective-free sentence officially from the TSA about why they want to see people naked?

I mean, those semi-metallic images from the Nudatrons seem like they’d appeal only to a very narrow audience of perverts, a subset, perhaps, of the tight-vinyl fetishists.

keiichi969 (profile) says:

Re: Why does the TSA want to see people naked?

Because the TSA is secretly not the Transportation Safety Administration, but is in reality, the Turing-compliant Sexuality Association, and they are creating a database of human body types and features to for their android and gynoid army. They’re slowly phasing out any “potential terrorist” human travelers in favor of non-terrorist android versions.

One must welcome our new robot overlords. OR ELSE.

Alternate version:

Why does the TSA want to see people naked?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Actually that would explain a lot…

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

It’s also incredibly easy to try to shift the conversation in the manner you are attempting. Why does it matter what Mike would do? We aren’t talking about Mike, we’re talking about yet another failing of an organization that has yet to prove they are more than a money pit and theatre for the entertainment of the rich and powerful (who are not subjected to such indignities).

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