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   TehZomB (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:05pm

   
   

   The only way to make this situation worse would be to demonstrate on actual politicians.

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:07pm

   
   

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   If the president is in such support of this, why doesn't he volunteer his entire family?

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   Todd, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:26pm

   
   

   TSA should just be dismantled and we should return to the same standards used in most of the civilized world.

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:28pm

   
   

   Was this captured on cspan on other network?

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:30pm

   
   

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   Clearly not. Networks aren't allowed to broadcast adult material, even if it's softcore.

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:37pm

   
   

   Put the TSA on the borders! Thats where we need them. Borders wide the hell open but you need to grab my balls when I fly from Cali to GA? WTF?

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   Rose M. Welch (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:40pm

   
   

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   He doesn't have to. Neither do members of Congress. They get to skip these procedures.

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   Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:42pm

   
   

   I want to see these congress members get pat downs or scans. This is ridiculous, why are they exempt?

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   Rich Kulawiec, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:45pm

   
   

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   "...to demonstrate on actual politicians."

   No...on their children. Let's see how many support this after watching their 7-year-old child get sexually assaulted.

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    ScaredOfTheMan, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:45pm

    
    

    Red Herring

    The Pat downs are a Red Herring to keep us from rejecting the full body nudie scan. There is no way the Pat downs can continue, I think their purpose is to make the nudie scan more palatable

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    angal2 (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:45pm

    
    

    There's a video clip in the linked article of Janet Napolitano talking about the pat-downs. She says, "Most Americans are not used to a real law enforcement pat-down like that." Could that be because most Americans are not used to being treated like a criminal for wanting to board an airplane?

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    out_of_the_blue, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:48pm

    
    

    People can't stand facing the truth.

    For instance, when I remind that the US is still slaughtering people daily in Iraq and Afghanistan, most will manage to blur their minds and forget it the next instant. And anyone so sensitive that they can't stand watching a TSA grope can't possibly understand what goes on in Congress.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:51pm

    
    

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    Of course Napolitano is dimwit anyways. She was a terrible governor for Arizona, she said publicly that illegal aliens crossing the border was not criminal it was civil, and on and on.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 3:54pm

    
    

    Oh, and look at the latest headlines from the MSM
    
    Airport protest never takes off, few delays seen
    
    http://channels.isp.netscape.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-+&idq=/ff/story/1001%2F20101 124%2F2679.htm&sc=+&floc=NI-nelead
    
    These people clearly have an agenda and I see no reason to trust anything they say, including their survey data.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 4:08pm

    
    

    I work for an extremely large global company. I know people driving hours when they would have otherwise flown. This is going to impact productivity if it continues. We Americans are a distrustful bunch when it comes to government and have been for hundreds of years, especially when we find the same rules do not apply to our government officials. This rise of a ruling class who certain laws do not apply to is everything our constitution was intended to protect against. Whether it is taxes they choose not to pay or TSA pat downs they are excluded from I think the average citizen has had enough.

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    Sarah Black (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 4:25pm

    
    

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    Fliers Claim TSA Have Deactivated Body Scanners
    http://gizmodo.com/5698536/fliers-claim-tsa-have-deactivated-body-scanners
    
    You cannot protest usage of a device which is not being used.

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    DS, 24 Nov 2010 @ 4:42pm

    
    

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    And that's sort of the problem.

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    DS, 24 Nov 2010 @ 4:43pm

    
    

    Re: People can't stand an asshole

    I corrected the title for you.

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    interval (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 5:03pm

    
    

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    Ha ha ha ha!

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    interval (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 5:05pm

    
    

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    Not distrustful enough, imo. Maybe this will tip the balance back to where it should be.

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    interval (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 5:09pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re:

    Rose, your icon reminds me of a holy card or a saint's portrait. Every time I glance at it I briefly think the church is about to weigh in.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 6:10pm

    
    

    ...and she said that those pornoscans are coming to terrestrial and maritime points too.
    
    They want to grope everyone.
    
    Sigh that is why everyone drives.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 7:50pm

    
    

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    You can, but it would be a waste of time.

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 Nov 2010 @ 11:19pm

    
    

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    I've only seen the US/Mexico border checkpoints on TV, but do they grope people driving back from Mexico? Canada?

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    Rose M. Welch (profile), 24 Nov 2010 @ 11:40pm

    
    

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    My icon is actually a photo of me... So the idea of it being holy is slightly disturbing. :P

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Nov 2010 @ 8:13am

    
    

    I hope the US likes being segregated from the rest of the world, because honestly it's not worth being gate raped to come visit.

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    Anonymous Coward, 25 Nov 2010 @ 9:44am

    
    

    When I see the officials of the TSA going through their own security, I might consider it. Otherwise I'll just drive.

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    Nobody, 25 Nov 2010 @ 3:55pm

    
    

    So... Do we care enough about our safety to be willing to do this?

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    Pixelation, 26 Nov 2010 @ 8:04am

    
    

    I watched an interview of Hillary Clinton. She was asked if she would be comfortable going through a full body scanner. She said "No, I wouldn't".

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    Gene Cavanaugh, 26 Nov 2010 @ 10:36am

    
    

    TSA bashing again

    So, it is fine for the police, etc., to do exactly the same thing (well, maybe more intrusively) to prevent a criminal act of some sort, but horrifying for the TSA to try to prevent terrorists from killing hundreds?
    So horrifying, apparently, that unless the TSA can show 100 percent effectiveness, it is not allowed, while the police can be somewhat effective (as well as more aggressive) and it is fine?
    
    Beam me up, Scotty, there is no intelligent life here!

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    Gwiz, 26 Nov 2010 @ 11:22am

    
    

    Re: TSA bashing again

    So, it is fine for the police, etc., to do exactly the same thing (well, maybe more intrusively) to prevent a criminal act of some sort...
    
    Umm..actually no Gene it is not fine for the police to do anything of the sort to prevent a criminal act.
    
    Beam me up, Scotty, there is no intelligent life here!
    
    I agree... seems to be no intelligent life at your house what so ever.

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    Headbanger, 26 Nov 2010 @ 11:50am

    
    

    Re: TSA bashing again

    The police don't get to indiscriminately sexually assault individuals for no particular reason. They have to get a warrant or have to be exhibiting discretion in a narrow set of 4th amendment exceptions.
    
    The TSA has not proven any measure of success - only made claims based on information that they refuse to disclose to any measurable extent to face scrutiny. Of course, if you have information to the contrary, please share.

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    Shoe, 26 Nov 2010 @ 1:30pm

    
    

    Israel is safe without such abuse...

    Somehow, Israel keeps the rights of their citizens and their visitors in mind, yet still keeps their airports safe.
    
    But us? We seem to think it is necessary to threaten either over-exposure to radiation (think about folks who fly twice a week for their jobs) or submit to sexual impropriety.
    
    Really?

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    Michael, 26 Nov 2010 @ 1:39pm

    
    

    Re: TSA bashing again

    uh, the police cannot just pat you down... that would fall under unlawful search and seizure. They can only search you if they are arresting you.

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    Ernest C., 26 Nov 2010 @ 6:37pm

    
    

    Get off your high horse.

    Everyone wan't to be safe. These same people would be utterly outraged if something were to happen on a flight they were on because someone placed a wallet sized packet of C4 under their breast or somewhere in their genetalia. I am not saying that its the right thing to do to pat everyone down, its pretty invasive. I would not react as agressively as most consumers have. The TSA has said that the pat down is only a proceedure used when all other means of search have failed. The body scan is not as invasive as people like to believe it is. It is as safe as a CT scan and emits little radiation at all, ITS NOT AN XRAY! The scanners have no storage or transmitting capabilities either. "Private parts" do not show in detail, all that is seen is a silhouette. The purpose is to show foreign objects and not body parts.

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    btrussell (profile), 27 Nov 2010 @ 8:46am

    
    

    Re: Get off your high horse.

    "It has been estimated that CT radiation exposure will result in 29,000 new cancer cases just from the CT scans performed in 2007."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CT_scan

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    rec9140, 27 Nov 2010 @ 5:58pm

    
    

    Re: Red Herring

    "The Pat downs are a Red Herring to keep us from rejecting the full body nudie scan. There is no way the Pat downs can continue, I think their purpose is to make the nudie scan more palatable"
    
    DING! DING ! DING!
    
    We have a winner some one finally gets it!

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    USPatriot, 27 Nov 2010 @ 6:21pm

    
    

    Re: Safety?

    TSA is not about safety. How many children have blown up planes, or old women in wheel chairs etc. It is muslim males between the ages of 17 and 45. And they get a pass. They refuse a pat down and the scan. So now how safe do you feel? And targeting people who object to this invasion by strangers? TSA calls them "domestic terrorists!" See article on Richond Patriots web site. Setting up for tyranny in the banana republic.

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    Anonymous Coward, 28 Nov 2010 @ 1:23am

    
    

    Another problem with the TSA patting people down is that a simple laptop battery if shorted could probably put a hole in an airplane.

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    Dan, 28 Nov 2010 @ 6:44am

    
    

    revenge

    If " terrorists' really want to take revenge they just need to find a goofball jihadist / easy task/ who would be willing to try to board an airplane with a stick of dynamite up in his back end.
    Imagine , cavity search at airports ...

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    Chuck, 28 Nov 2010 @ 7:20am

    
    

    Re: Re: TSA bashing again

    Where did you get your law degree? Sorry, but this is totally incorrect. Police can stop and frisk you any time they have reasonable suspicion. This was upheld by the US Supreme Court in the 1968 case Terry vs. Ohio.

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    guest, 28 Nov 2010 @ 6:41pm

    
    

    Re: Get off your high horse.

    All pics are stored on the network server for at least 6 months before being moved to other storage means, as per federal regulations. And no Privacy acts cover the pictures, so they are freely available, and "unclassified" materials. The US Marshals have already admitted to having files prepped to store for a minimum of 2 years all scans that go through.

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    guest, 28 Nov 2010 @ 6:49pm

    
    

    Re: TSA bashing again

    TSA has never caught a single suspect. They've never even participated in the investigations; outside of their jurisdiction.
    And the new measures are no more effective for catching the last dozen terror suspects that any already in place. Dogs at the airport would be more effective, more cost efficient, and better received.
    The fact that you think using such clearly useless measures is "intelligent" and that expecting reasonableness from the govt is stupidity speaks volumes, good sir.

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    nasch (profile), 28 Nov 2010 @ 7:42pm

    
    

    On purpose?

    I wonder if they did this to get Congress to tell them to stop doing it. That would be politically easier than admitting it's a bad idea.

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    anothermike, 29 Nov 2010 @ 3:57pm

    
    

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    So... Do I care enough about your illusion of safety to surrender my rights?

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    canadian, 29 Nov 2010 @ 7:33pm

    
    

    who has the time?

    god, it must take forever to pat you guys down there in the U.S. why don't you blame the government for how fat you are while you're at it? most of you are teaming blobs of complaining fat vomit, so surely there's no incentive to nudie-scan or pat most of you down. trust me. security is the only possible reason.

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2010 @ 9:44pm

    
    

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    Because some animals are more equal than others

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Nov 2010 @ 9:47pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: TSA bashing again

    They can frisk the outside of your clothes. They can not stick their hands down your pants and grope your genitals without a search warrant.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Nov 2010 @ 12:19am

    
    

    I don't care how "racist" this sounds. I think that they should just scale back security at airports to the levels it was pre-911 and racially profile Islamic people. Period.
    
    When was the last time you heard about a 75 year old woman or a 12 year old caucasian boy committing an act of airline terrorism? NEVER. The simple fact is that the people they should be looking for to put through additional screening should be Arabic males aged 16 to 45. It doesn't matter how you want to slice it. It doesn't matter if it's "racist" or "insensitive". None of those labels are going to change the fact that roughly 90% of all the airline terrorist acts that have occurred in the last 15 years have been committed by Arabic males aged 16 to 45.
    
    Sorry Islamic people, but your brethren f*cked it up for you. As far as I'm concerned you should suffer since you are the minority here. There is, and never has been, any palatable reason to suspect the vast majority of people now subject to these horrendous security measures. There is, unfortunately, plausable reason to suspect people of your race. Sorry, but those are the facts. Deal with it or don't fly.
    
    If, as the TSA says, the goal of these invasive procedures is additional security, then why are they not specifically targetting the highest risk group more than the others?
    
    You know what the real kicker is in all of this, is that Arabs get a free pass past all this additional screening by claiming that it violates their "religious beliefs". So basically at the end of the day these additional measures completely invalidate themselves by specifically excluding the very group of people most likely to be a security risk.

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    QueenB**ch, 30 Nov 2010 @ 5:06am

    
    

    TSA = Jackbooted Thugs

    Not only that, but because all of us have objected to the "scope or grope" publically, we're now "dissidents" and have been placed on watch lists! Talk about a police state... G(**&^! Brown Shirt Jackbooted Gestapo THUGS!

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    nasch (profile), 30 Nov 2010 @ 7:44am

    
    

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    As far as I'm concerned you should suffer since you are the minority here.
    
    You didn't have alarm bells ringing in your head when you wrote this part?

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