File Sharing... In... Spaaaaaaace

from the yeah,-that's-not-going-to-work dept

Various folks are sending over stories reporting on rather preliminary conversations on the Pirate Parties International (PPI) mailing list, concerning ideas for a file sharing platform... in space. More or less, the idea was that there needs to be an effort to get out from various regional jurisdictions, and so the sci-fi idea of launching a server in a satellite was suggested. Others apparently thought a balloon would be a good idea. And, eventually, some suggested that maybe just putting it on a boat in international waters.

None of these plans sound likely (or even that reasonable). And all of them seem to more or less ignore the fact that each of these would still require downstream connections, which would be subject to specific laws. Add to that ideas like the proposed COICA bill in the US, which would let the country order ISPs to block websites, and you can see why these ideas, while creative, probably aren't going to get very far (and don't get us started on the technical hurdles to what they're discussing).

All that said, it is worth noting that this is just a peek into the ongoing game of whac-a-mole that the entertainment industry is dealing with. While these ideas are silly and unworkable, don't count out the fact that there are a lot of very smart people working on ways to make sure file sharing remains viable and available. Like it or not, it's here, and it's not going to go away. At some point, it's going to make sense for the industry to stop fighting, and start looking for ways to actually use it to their own advantage.


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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 6:21pm

    Looooooooooottttttttttttttttttssssssssssss of spacesuits.

     

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    Bas Grasmayer (profile), Oct 21st, 2010 @ 6:29pm

    Taken from the Dutch Pirate Party list: "There have been some loose discussions about the technology on the PPI list, but for Ernesto @ Torrentfreak to assume that there would be such plans without confirming his sources is not what I would call professional journalism."

     

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    Dementia (profile), Oct 21st, 2010 @ 6:58pm

    Well, you know, there is always The Principality of Sealand. If TPB isn't already based out of there.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 7:30pm

    Space Ghost has nothing on Space Pirates LoL

    Anybody old enough to remember Herculoids?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 7:35pm

    What about a file sharing platform in cyberspace...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 7:35pm

    Not quite so out of reach... Mike for someone in your position you're not open minded about the whole thing. For the upstream provider, it could easily be provided by a country with less or no laws against copyright. For the air/space thing, people would definitely donate to fundraisers, only if it's because they're the first ones to put it in action (I know I would).

    Oh and we all know torrentfreak put up nice titles to bring in the people and tend to over-exagerate everything... they shouldn't be your base for real news.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 7:42pm

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    "For the upstream provider, it could easily be provided by a country with less or no laws against copyright."

    The point of the article is to circumvent country laws not to find a country that has no such laws.

    Far off into the future who knows. Right now, while humans are very earth bound, this might be a problem, but into the future as we improve our ability to travel into space and implement devices in space it could be feasible.

    Of course, by then, tyrant govts would simply expand their jurisdiction to include the new territory, which is the main long term obstacle I see against these solutions and innovation in general.

     

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    senshikaze (profile), Oct 21st, 2010 @ 8:17pm

    cryptonomicon

    I am surprised nobody mentioned Neal Stephenson's book, Cryptonomicon. In it a group of techies get the capital to create a "data haven". The location was a tiny island country with a gigantic wwII bunker converted to a damn near nuke proof datacenter. the king of the island was all but bought off and fat, redundant pipes were laid from multiple countries to it. The laws of the country were changed to where government (inside and out) can't touch the data.

    It is a brilliant idea. Nothing is monitored, and nothing is illegal. Anything goes. completely secure transfers in and out and no auditing. That is what we need.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 8:37pm

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    Perhaps they will be carrying servers around in the backseats of their hovering flying cars.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 9:11pm

    Re: cryptonomicon

    Some new technology (ie: quantum non - local communication) will probably come out that will make all these ideas (along with copy protection laws) obsolete and irrelevant. Even if the govt and their corporate leaders prevent it from being developed and sold in the free market, it will be delivered and sold on the black market, at least at first.

     

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    Dodongo, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 9:31pm

    I think the goal is more about preventing the police from raiding their servers than cirvumventing local laws.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2010 @ 9:46pm

    Funny I was thinking this the other night, when Nova (PBS) had a documentary on satellites. Interesting, how often exploration is fueled through fleeing oppression.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 5:01am

    Obligatory TVTropes link

     

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    Chronno S. Trigger (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 5:18am

    Re:

    If they didn't cost ten million dollars, I'd buy one.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 6:40am

    Re: Re: cryptonomicon

    Rudimentary quantum computers? Yes. Leveraging entanglement for non-local communication? I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

     

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    mike allen (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 6:46am

    its not such a bad idea either a satalite or a ship in international waters. but then hasnt that been done before in differant media?

     

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    Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 8:25am

    Re: cryptonomicon

    Cryptonomicon is my favorite book.

    The idea isn't new, and unless things start getting better in the copyright/internet surveillance front, it is bound to happen eventually. At that point, there will be enough money to be made off a data haven that it will only be a matter of economics.

     

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    chris (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 9:16am

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    or a space sharing program in cyberfile?

     

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    chris (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 9:19am

    Re:

    its not such a bad idea either a satalite or a ship in international waters. but then hasnt that been done before in differant media?

    i thought that was how pirate radio worked.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 3:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: cryptonomicon

    "I wouldn't hold your breath on that one."

    No one would have imagined some of the stuff we have now just twenty or even ten years ago either. 100, 200, 300 years from now who knows what will be available.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 3:52pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: cryptonomicon

    Oh yeah, by all means. I didn't really think you meant 100+ years in your original comment (god help us if current copyright laws haven't changed by then) - I just meant that in the next couple of decades I don't think defying locality is be possible any useful scale. There's still plenty of debate as to whether it is really happening even where it has supposedly been observed at the subatomic level.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Oct 22nd, 2010 @ 3:54pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: cryptonomicon

    wow I don't know what I did when I changed that sentence...

    "..don't think defying locality is GOING TO be possible AT any useful scale."

     

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