Winemaker Charles Smith Sues Over Anonymous Blog Comments
from the hello-ms.-streisand dept
Venkat Balasubramani sends over a link to Felix Salmon’s story about winemaker Charles Smith’s decision to sue some anonymous blog commenters for libel. The comments in question were in response to a blog post by W. Blake Gray, describing an evening with Smith, who one could describe as “a character.” In the comments to Gray’s post, many anonymous commenters were pretty critical of Smith, claiming that he was more of a promoter than a winemaker, and multiple people discussed a specific alleged episode where they claimed Smith was… well… what you might (charitably) say was especially rude to someone. An employee of Smith’s at K Vinters did respond in the middle of the comments, defending Smith vehemently (while also complaining about Gray). As Salmon notes, the entire 29 comment thread died out within a week, and most people would go on with their lives hardly knowing a thing about it or about the claims concerning Charles Smith.
Instead, Smith decided to sue the anonymous commenters for libel, and since Gray’s blog is hosted by Google, it received the subpoena, and has agreed to hand over the names, unless Gray tries to quash the subpoena — something he does not appear to be interested in doing. Now, reading through the original comments, there might be stuff in there that’s defamatory — though, it seems like a long shot. For the most part, it’s clearly just people venting, and I would imagine that anyone reading those comments would take it as such. However, by filing the lawsuit, and calling that much more attention to the issue and the lawsuit, just in an attempt to “out” the commenters, it seems that Smith is now calling a lot more attention to what people think of him and (at the same time) making it clear that he also reacts in a legalistic way when someone doesn’t like him. It would seem that Smith comes out looking less favorable in filing the lawsuit than in just letting it go. As multiple people noted “this suit is a prime example of how not to handle criticism.”
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Comments on “Winemaker Charles Smith Sues Over Anonymous Blog Comments”
Just left this comment on his/their blog....
“Mr. Smith:
I’m a wine drinker, and while I prefer French/West Coast wines, I’m always on the look out for good producers in the Midwest, since I’m from Chicago. You look like a charasmatic person, but….
Seriously, suing anonymous commentors is pretty disheartening. Even if what they said was wrong, even if it might be actionable, it’s still usually not the right thing to do. For instance, the only reason I even came across your winery and this site is because of the story on your lawsuit (at techdirt.com of all places), including to Google, to out anonymous commentors. I’m a huge first amendment supporter, so you can imagine the light this type of thing casts for me, and others, on you and your business.
I hope you’ll reconsider, for the sake not only of our national traditions, but for yourself as well.
Sincerely,
Timothy Geigner”
Site is: http://kvintners.blogspot.com
Then I got the lovely response: Your comment will be posted pending moderation.
Yeah, right….
Re: Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Don’t forget to write to Gray and ask him to fight this.
Re: Re: Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Meh. I’m not going to waste a whole lot of time on a “winery” in Wisconsin. It’d be one thing if he were trying to sell mostly fruit wines (apples, peaches, apricots, etc.) as opposed to the traditional red grape wines he’s pitching.
A good Syrah from the North Midwest? Please….
Re: Re: Re: Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Ugh, misread the area code. Northern Washington, not midwest. Better for red wines, but not really. Even Oregon is usually too far north….
Re: Re: Re: Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Sir,
Washington State. Not Wisconsin.
WA is the second largest producer of Quality wine in America.
Re: Re: Re:2 Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Sir,
You get no points for correcting me after I already corrected myself.
That is all.
Re: Re: Re:3 Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Don’t forget to write to Gray and ask him to fight this!!.. 🙂
Re: Just left this comment on his/their blog....
Of all the posts dating back to 1/13/2010, I can count the number of “approved” comments on 1 hand. I wouldn’t get your hopes up. Sadly, Mr. Smith is also unlikely to ever see your comment; I doubt he’s the one moderating them…
Re: Re: Just left this comment on his/their blog....
We’ll see. I specifically pointed him back to Techdirt. Perhaps he’ll stop by, though I’ll refrain from holding my breath….
Lawsuit as proof
For some of the comments, such as “And, a king kong jerk to boot.” it seems like the filing of the lawsuit might in itself prove that some of the allegations are correct, and the truth is a defense against libel.
My attitude towards anyone suing anonymous commenters for libel:
“If they’re suing for it, then it’s most likely true.”
People don’t usually care to deny gross exaggerations. They usually try to hide things about their past that they *have* done but are ashamed of.
Charles Smith is a jerkwad. His company makes horrible wine and it and he have questionable hygiene. Sue me sucker, I need the publicity.