Crown Copyright Strikes Again: Documents Revealed Under Freedom Of Information Act Can Infringe On Copyright?

from the crown-copyright dept

Frankly, the concept of "Crown Copyright" has never made much sense at all. We've discussed it here a few times in the past, but it's the concept that some countries have for government documents being covered by copyright. Thankfully, this is one area where the US actually leads the way: it has no such thing. Documents produced by the federal government in the US are automatically considered public domain (state government documents aren't always public domain, but that's another discussion for another time). But in many other countries that's not true, and those documents are covered by "crown copyright." This makes little sense no matter how you think about it. If the purpose of copyright is to give incentives to create the content, it seems obvious that a government should not need copyright.

Instead, it seems to show how some now view copyright: as a tool to restrict information, rather than as an incentive to create information. For example, Glyn Moody points us to a rather depressing discussion of how information obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request in the UK might not be publishable because of copyright. Yes, you read that right. Even though the laws are there to free up government information, once that information is distributed to the requestor, it can be locked back up via copyright. So it's not really a "freedom of information" situation at all. It's just a "here's some information you can't share with anyone else."


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    Spyder (profile), Jul 23rd, 2010 @ 6:45pm

    If that is the game they want to play, simply post the request in whatever form it needs to be in, post a summery of the content, and tell people the full text is available by sending in the form. 100,000+ requests later they will decide that just posting whatever it is works a lot better.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 23rd, 2010 @ 6:49pm

    Just a cautionary note lest people be mislead into thinking that the USG can never hold a copyright. Ignoring the very few exceptions (e.g., USPS), or when a copyright is transferred to the USG by assignment, bequest or devise, the reason "US Government Works" are deemed to be in the public domain is because the Copyright Act says so. In other words, if Congress were to amend the act and remove this section there would be no impediment under the act for the USG to claim a copyright.

     

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    Fentex, Jul 23rd, 2010 @ 7:39pm


    If the purpose of copyright is to give incentives to create the content


    You should not be so ready to conflate U.S Constitutional provisions for copyright with other nations laws.

    The U.S Constitution may make it clear the purpose of copyright in the U.S is to encourage the creation of useful arts, but as Crown Copyright does not exist in the U.S, neither does the U.S Constitution speak for other jurisdictions ambitions for copyright.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 23rd, 2010 @ 9:33pm

    In the U.K. copyright was never about encouraging anything.

    It was always about control and money, which they never hide from anybody.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 23rd, 2010 @ 9:43pm

    Re:

    way to climb mt. obvious

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jul 23rd, 2010 @ 10:20pm

    I really miss the trolls ...

    L-CAC where are you?

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jul 24th, 2010 @ 12:49am

    As the article says the UK Central Government is about to release documents under a Creative Commons license so the fears of fees seem to be allayed, at least a bit.

    In Canada the Crown Copyright lays with the Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments and the Queen's Printer in each jurisdiction.

    AFAIK, no one has ever been hauled into court for redistributing all or part of an FOI request result in Canada, quoting from one or commenting directly on the content.

    My understanding is that the Crown Copyright has historically been only for preservation, or at least that's been the excuse. I'm certainly not claiming that it hasn't been abused or never will be but if we follow the UK pattern it reduces the chances.

    That said, copyright and patents are supposed to serve the same basic purposes they're supposed to serve in the United States.

     

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    Hugh Mann (profile), Jul 24th, 2010 @ 9:07am

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    Yes. I would note that, as much as I disagree with the concept of "crown copyright", its presentation here is somewhat overstated.

    It's not a restriction on the sharing of information. As you have suggested, you can still report to others the contents of the document you have obtained, and even show the document to others to let them read it for themselves. Certainly discussion of the document is not prohibited by this concept. Copyright doesn't protect ideas or "information". It protects particular expressions of ideas and information.

    Again, though, I agree that the concept of "crown copyright" doesn't really make sense, and it is a good thing that the US has rejected the concept.

    HM

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 24th, 2010 @ 9:15am

    Where have you been? Freedom? Just another word!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 24th, 2010 @ 9:40am

    information you can't share with anyone else

    I don't support crown copyright but a right to freedom of information is an individual right. Everyone has the right to request and receive the information even if they can't share it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 24th, 2010 @ 9:55am

    Re: I really miss the trolls ...

    The trolls migrated to a warmer climate since the snow started here.

     

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    Revelati, Jul 24th, 2010 @ 12:36pm

    So you just FOIA documents, take a few simple precautions, and post them anonymously. You see the documents, the public sees the documents, and the government gets angry but cant enforce its own law because it can't prove that you did anything.

    Many people have been posting, uploading, and bit-torrenting things that are technically illegal for decades. Just wait untill some old crotchety MP (who thinks the internet is run on squirrel cages greased with unicorn tears) uses this copyright crap as an excuse to cover up some questionable fund allocations. The information will be revealed anyway, this ridiculous "crown copyright" will get pushed into the public spotlight, and anyone in government dumb enough to try and defend it will get slapped into next week by the Streisand effect.

    If some government wants to make itself look incompetant by having these unenforceable laws on the books, then I feel like its our fault for paying them...

     

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    PT (profile), Jul 24th, 2010 @ 2:21pm

    And it never expires

    Some years ago I was researching my British ancestors at the Mormon Church database in Salt Lake City. I found the records quickly enough, on microfilm, but was not allowed to print copies because they were "Crown Copyright" and apparently still protected, though the original documents were well over a century old.

     

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    CasterElvis, Jul 25th, 2010 @ 8:41am

    Origins

    To me, it really comes down to whether or not you think a supposedly ORIGINAL idea really needs protection.

    It would be truly nice if all of those original ideas were shared instead of monopolized by the individuals who created them.

    But i guess thats just the basis of open-source... so i must be arguing for a penguin...

    lol.... *

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2010 @ 12:14am

    No, no, no!

    The CORRECT way to deal with this is to maintain a website with an email system for exclusive use by that website. Submitting your name automatically files a FIA form for everything on record and everything to come. All forms are put in email/pdf/whatever format to your email for that site. Since it is exclusively for that site, you really only need to store one copy of each.

     

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    martyburns (profile), Jul 26th, 2010 @ 2:33am

    Re:

    ..for nothing left to lose?

     

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