Larry Lessig Challenges ASCAP Boss To A Debate Over Whether Or Not Creative Commons Undermines Copyright

from the throwdown dept

We've already written a couple of times about ASCAP's bizarre anti-artist decision, as part of its fundraising campaign, to falsely imply that Creative Commons, EFF and Public Knowledge are seeking to undermine copyright. So far, about all this has done is piss off a bunch of ASCAP members who actually like these groups (especially those who use Creative Commons). Larry Lessig has now written a response, where he points out that Creative Commons relies on copyright and doesn't seek to force anyone to use it at all. It just offers artists more choices in how they license their music. More interesting, however, is that Lessig then challenges ASCAP's president, Paul Williams, to a debate on the topic:
So here's my challenge, ASCAP President Paul Williams: Let's address our differences the way decent souls do. In a debate. I'm a big fan of yours, and If you'll grant me the permission, I'd even be willing to sing one of your songs (or not) if you'll accept my challenge of a debate. We could ask the New York Public Library to host the event. I am willing to do whatever I can to accommodate your schedule.

Let's meet and address these perceived differences with honesty and good faith. No doubt we have disagreements (for instance, I love rainy days, and Mondays rarely get me down). But on the issues that your organization and mine care about, there should be no difference worthy of an attack.
So, will ASCAP and Williams -- who has been on an anti-Lessig rampage for a while now -- step up and actually debate? And if Williams agrees to such a debate, will he finally stop making false claims about these groups?

Filed Under: copyright, debate, larry lessig, paul williams
Companies: ascap, creative commons, eff, public knowledge


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    TtfnJohn (profile), 14 Jul 2010 @ 9:45am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Lessig would wipe the floor with him

    Baby talk time.

    "no studies required. do you know for absolutely certainly, without looking, if all of the content on your machine is copyright, creative commons, copyleft, or public domain? "

    Now sit down and listen. No talking and no picking your nose.

    Copyright is copyright, creative commons a license of copyright material, "copyleft" (assuming you mean GPL and other assorted open source licenses) is a licence on copyright material and public domain (say the works of Aristotle or The Gospel of Mark) is the public domain.

    Creative Commons and "copyleft" are licenses stating the terms that one can use the copyright material legally. Nothing more and nothing less. "Commercial" copyright can do the same thing while often charging exorbitant fees. It's all copyright.

    Please be prepared to include this on your essay of "What I Did on My Summer Vacation" to enlighten and amuse the rest of your remedial Grade 3 class.

    Now you can pick your nose and chew it.

    Dismissed!

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