California State Senator Wants To Save You From RFID

from the paranoid-much dept

In certain paranoid circles, there's a big fear that at some point, people will be forced to get RFID implants. North Dakota and Wisconsin have already passed laws making it illegal to force somebody to get an RFID implant, and now a California state senator has pushed a similar bill through. This isn't new ground for Joe Simitian, the senator in question. He's sponsored anti-RFID bills in the past, but with little success. The fact remains that few people have any interest in RFID implants, while even the federal government has said that tracking humans with RFID isn't a good idea. Perhaps the bill will assuage the senator's paranoia, but meaningless bans like this won't do much to deal with the real privacy issues surrounding RFID.


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    Matt, Aug 31st, 2007 @ 7:52pm

    If you would have looked a little, you would have found that There is one company out of Cincinnati that requires employees get them. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48760

     

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      Mike (profile), Aug 31st, 2007 @ 8:00pm

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      If you would have looked a little, you would have found that There is one company out of Cincinnati that requires employees get them.

      VeriChip, the company behind that announcement, has a long history of exaggerating stories for marketing purposes. WND doesn't exactly have the greatest reputation for fact checking either. So I'd take that with a pretty large grain of salt.

       

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        Mushkin, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 10:02am

        Re: Re:

        WND doesn't exactly have the greatest reputation for fact checking either. So I'd take that with a pretty large grain of salt.

        Oh, you mean like the New York Times, Boston Globe and Washington Post?

         

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      Jack, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 9:08am

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      Matt, if you would read the article you linked to, Verichip denies that anyone has been implanted and the company Citywatcher says that they are not required and that it's a voluntary thing.

      So how is a company requiring employees to get them again? RFID is retarded but don't go trying to spread FUD and link a story that contradicts what you claim.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 31st, 2007 @ 8:08pm

    Silicon Valley ID tags

    Companies in the valley put them in the company ID tag... You figure the tech geeks would be smarter than that... Simple enough to kill the chip. Microwave oven does wonders for them. Oh and anyone watching GMA this past week saw how "wonderful" it is that Alzheimer patients are getting chipped...

     

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    RanXerox, Aug 31st, 2007 @ 8:10pm

    AAAuuughh !

    "Somebody stop the snakes ! They're biting and eating my legs,"

    Uh Dude, I think your chip is malfunctioning again !

     

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    Haywood, Aug 31st, 2007 @ 8:12pm

    How about implanting one in my key ring

    and TV remote control.

     

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    GoblinJuice, Aug 31st, 2007 @ 10:08pm

    *yawn* New tech, same old fear.

    We covered this ground with barcodes.

     

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    matt, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 3:02am

    RFID

    The CA Senator may be silly, however if you aren't afraid of RFID, you are either working for the RFID industry, or totally clueless. (smoking crak)

    Ya'll need a reality check!

     

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      GoblinJuice, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 10:28pm

      Re: RFID

      Well, let's see, I don't smoke crack (my piss is so clean I could sell it =)) and I'm not totally clueless, yet I'm not afraid.

      Wanna know what worries me? People who freak out over every little friggin' thing. =|

       

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    Bignumone, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 5:34am

    Strange thing happen

    Did you know the government strong-arms people into getting certain vaccinations?
    Hepetitis, MMP, and others are forced onto your children. Now, I understand the overall need for vaccination with some diseases, such as mumps and measels, but children are at extremely low risk for hepetitis...so low it just does not make sense.
    So here we are, in a free country, being forced to put things into our bodies we may not want or need.
    Does that sound much different than forcing RFID chips on us?
    Raising the issue to the side of our rights now is better than fighting these people after they have been given this power.

     

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      Haywood, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 8:54am

      Re: Strange thing happen

      It is definitely time to throw their tea in the harbor.

       

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      Moogle, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 5:14am

      Re: Strange thing happen

      Congratulations, you've proposed an argument so bad that it actually weakened my opposition to mandatory RFID implants

      You somehow managed to focus on "Da guberments puttin thangs in mah boddy!" while missing the actual issues involved that everyone should be worried about (privacy, gov't tracking, hackability, clonability, etc)

      Now I'm going to think of crazy paranoid people as the main opposition to RFID, and who wants to be associated with them?!? Thanks a lot, jerk.

      :)

       

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      Peter, Sep 4th, 2007 @ 7:43am

      Re: Strange thing happen

      Just for the record - it's for hepatitis A that you're vaccinated against and children are actually at a very high risk of getting it. This disease is usually not life threatening, but it can make your child pretty miserable with the runs for about a month at at time.

      It's also one of those diseases that gets much worse as you get older - like chicken pox. So it's a very good idea to be vaccinated against it.

      Just wanted to spread a little bio knowledge is all.

       

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    Hoeppner, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 9:16am

    woot for living in Wisconsin. also the law states that you can't have an employees job hinge on having an RFID chip, which is basically a surgical procedure so common sense. The laws shouldn't be necessary but hey people lack common sense so I'd rather have them around.

     

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      Sludge Monkey, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 9:59am

      Nutz!!!

      Darn it.

      First they take away stem cell research to prevent me from becoming a genetically enhanced super soldier, now they are taking away ANY reason I had to wear an aluminum foil hatin public...

      Good to know my home state is still using tax payer's dollars to outlaw the unimportant when most of it's high school graduates can't balance a check book or read a bus schedual.

       

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        ricit, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 4:24am

        Re: Nutz!!!

        Did you mean schedule, or does the transit system in your home state have a special type of bus that has two sche's?

         

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        Haywood, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 5:59am

        Re: Nutz!!!

        If my experiments with blue-tooth are valid, wrapping an RF device in tinfoil increases its range significantly.

         

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          john farnen, Sep 4th, 2007 @ 12:05pm

          Re: Re: Nutz!!!

          See!!! You are in fact right, just as I was! At thirty something, I STILL can't spell worth a damn...

          But, at least someone got the joke....

           

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        Chris, Dec 27th, 2007 @ 4:39pm

        Re: Nutz!!!

        Don't blame the state, blame the Dept of Education, or even better, their parents!

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 2:22pm

    An RFID Card in your driver lisence or Social Insurance card clearly by passes any such laws.

    And offcourse, its illegal to be without an ID at any time.

    Go Figure ...

     

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      MrWizard, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 7:34pm

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      "it's illegal to be without an ID at any time"

      Huh?
      What country do you live in?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 8:36pm

        Re: Re:

        You're right that it's not illegal, but you can still be arrested for failing to produce ID. They can charge you for "Obstructing Police" or something like that.

         

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    mc, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 6:28pm

    I don't understand why would people would let anyone to implant shit in there body unless is benefit for there health or cure something.. but for the government/corp interest? bah, I know people would do it if they offer 1K++ check or even cash.. not me I have my limit when comes to getting easy cash.

     

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    TPaine, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 10:18pm

    Distraction?

    --The same politician will probably introduce a bill to force RFID into sex offenders as soon as he needs to prove he is "tough on crime".

    --The current administration has used private data mining firms like ChoicePoint to bypass Constitutional restrictions and build huge databanks containing private information on all of us - going so far as attempting to bank everyone's DNA! I'm not sure how they planned on doing it, but I'm sure the logistics of collection was the stumbling block to implementation of that idea.
    I suspect the whole RFID issue is a smokescreen to distract us from whatever privacy invasive techniques are already being used against us. Hell, most of it is out in the open - grocery store "points" cards are one example, the internet is a huge data dump - do you know where all your keystrokes are going?

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 7:14am

      Re: Distraction?

      I am a huge fan of implanting RFID chips in sex offenders, why shouldn't we know where these whackjobs are all the time? wouldn't you like to be at the park and some psycho approaches your kid and a nice alarm goes off because they are a sex offender and about to kidnap rape and murder your child, but now can't? all because of RFID.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 10:38am

        Re: Re: Distraction?

        Not all people convicted of being a sex offender is a child predator / murderer. Some had sex with their boy/girl friend who happened to be just below the age of consent set by law. There was no rape yet they carry the felony for the rest of their life. So you propose to chip this person for this...

        Regarding RFID chipping, do you really want someone to scan you anonymously to find out who you are. This seems like a stalkers wet dream come true...

         

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          Pete Ross, Sep 3rd, 2007 @ 4:22pm

          Re: Re: Re: Distraction?

          They could be limited to violent offenders and pedophiles.
          I think that would be a great idea.

           

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    Sludge Monkey, Sep 1st, 2007 @ 11:06pm

    You all are still missing the point...

    You are all missing the point!
    I have no reason to wear an aluminum foil hat in public any more!!!!

    Oh, and as a side note- microwaving your rfid badge from work is a totally dangerous waste of time.Yes it will wipe the badge, however, it will also cause an interesting arc n' spark type fire resulting in toxic fumes and a melted sqeeshie puddle in your 'wave,

    Better to let the darn thing sit on top of a powerful magnet for a weekend. Or, hit it with a heat gun. Or let your dog chew on it. Or EVEN better yet, quit obsessing over your door access and time card badge and worry that your IT guys will notice you are spending your work time putting your two cents worth in on some blog- kind of like what I'm watching Mike the anon coward doing right now.......

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 2:25am

    If I can pay for something, get past security, not have to wear a wallet or carry a key, and have someone else track stuff for me then maybe I want to be able to get one of these. They need to be more secure than they currently are but I am sure tired of carrying plastic. No one forces you to carry a cell phone, or a credit card, but eventually most people after initially rejecting the idea now embrace these things. It is only a matter of time before a way of identifying people more effectively than they do now presents itself and in the end it will be more convenient and everyone will accept it after bitching about it at first. No one will have to be forced to do it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 2:28am

    Current administration is code for "its Bush's fault". Roving wiretaps, IRS audits on enemies, and fraudulantly taking fbi files of your enemies was perfectly reasonable for the past administration to do.

     

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      GoblinJuice, Sep 2nd, 2007 @ 10:52am

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      Oh, man, I was just about to scream "the Clinton administration did all that shit, too!" before I read the last four words. =D

      The older I get, the more I realize how much the Republicrats and Democans have in common. And it's a two party system! *sigh*

       

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    just a citizen, Sep 3rd, 2007 @ 8:04am

    Statists from the Democratic Party seek to destroy our Liberty with useless government intervention into our private lives and to handicap our Pursuit of Happiness with crippling taxation.

    Statists from the Republican Party seek to destroy our Liberty with a different set of useless laws attacking different portions of our private lives.

    The Republicans seek to protect us from foreign threats; the Democrats seek to protect us from ourselves. Who will protect us from them?

     

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      Pete Ross, Sep 3rd, 2007 @ 4:18pm

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      Republicans seek to protect us from foreign threats?

      Exactly how?
      Are our borders closed so we can know when a terrorist enters our country or does Customs or Immigration even have a computer system that can track foreigners entering the country? Or is the vast majority of shipments entering our country inspected - even for radioactive articals (which can be detected externally but the Bush admin says it's much too expensive to buy the radiation detectors to protect our country.

      The Clinton administration did catch and jail those involved in the first bombing of the WTC. What has the Bush administration done other than ignore what Richard Clark tried to tell them about an imminent terrorist attack (Clark worked for Bush 41 as well as Clinton)

      You have been drinking way too much kool-aid!

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Sep 4th, 2007 @ 10:19am

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        Can you please provide a source concerning the radiation detectors? I keep seeing stories about cops and port people using these devices but have not seen any stories about not deploying them. Meanwhile, I recall Reno and Clinton killing more Americans than terrorists in their first term. Waco comes to mind.

         

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    topband, Sep 5th, 2007 @ 11:10am

    Post

    Huh

     

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    Linda, Sep 8th, 2007 @ 3:25pm

    THE "NO MORE VICTIMS" ACT OF 2007


    INTRODUCTION:

    Due to the purported high rate of sex crimes and the public's demand
    that the government take whatever steps necessary to protect the
    children from adults who prey on them; I would like to introduce
    the "No More Victims" Act of 2007. The "No More Victims Act" of 2007
    picks up where Megan's Law and others like it left off. The common
    thread with all these laws is what to do after a crime has been
    committed and fails to address any preventative aspect. In order for
    there to be "No More Victims" our focus must now be on prevention of
    these crimes.

    It has already been well established that the Federal Government and
    States have a "legitimate governmental interest" in protecting the
    public, especially the most vulnerable among us, America’s children.
    Additionally, the courts have ruled and the general public accepted
    that the rights of victims and/or would be victims, take precedent
    over the rights of those that "may" pose some future threat to
    society based solely upon empirical data and risk assessments, which
    are tools which "predict" future behavior.

    It has also been well established - and upheld by numerous courts
    that what is currently known as the "Sex Offender Registry" is not a
    punitive scheme, but a regulatory one.
    Designed to alert the community of those with a risk towards
    committing some future act.

    Given that upwards of 90 percent of new sex crimes are committed by
    someone who is NOT currently on the sex offender registry, not known
    to law enforcement, and is not on community notification , and
    cloaked in anonymity, lawmakers have a duty to adopt the following
    measures to put an end to sex crimes for once and for all.

    Since they have a stated "legitimate governmental interest" in
    protecting the public and since the techniques proposed herein would
    guarantee upwards of a 100%, if not a full 100% rate of success, it
    is incumbent upon lawmakers to adopt this act, so that there can
    be "No More Victims"

    I introduce to you the following ACT, which shall be hereby known as
    the "No More Victims Act of 2007".

    UNDER THE ACT:

    All persons, both male and female, age 18 and over must submit to a
    plethysmograh and given a risk assessment while under polygraph. The
    plethysmograh purports to have a 100% effectiveness rate in
    predicting who will offend, is FDA approved, and already in use in
    the United States. Given the recent high rate of offenses among
    teachers, clergy, governmental and law enforcement officials, and any
    other person in a position of trust or authority I move to start
    with those individuals first, as well as with any other person that
    maintains a position where working among children whether paid or
    voluntary.


    Based upon the results of the plethysmograph, polygraph and an
    empirical risk assessment, each individual who cannot "pass" shall be
    placed on a public "high risk" registry along with their assigned
    risk level.

    The site must include the following:
    1. a current photo
    2. risk level
    3. date of birth
    4. living address
    5. name of employer and work address
    6. If attending and educational facility, the name and location
    of said facility
    7. all e-mail addresses and online identifiers
    8. List any/all known deviations from currently accepted
    societal norms.
    9. Individuals who pose a risk must obtain a yearly driver's
    license or state issued non-operating identification card. The image
    must, within 3 business days be submitted to the agency responsible
    for maintaining the sex offender website.
    10. ANYONE WHO REFUSES TO SUBMIT TO THE ACT WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY
    ASSIGNED A RISK LEVEL OF THREE AS THAT CAN ONLY BE AN INDICATION THAT
    THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE AND A REASON TO FEAR THIS ACT.

    In order to withstand any constitutional challenges which may arise,
    any prior criminal act which is discovered to have occurred via the
    risk assessment and prior to the enactment of this act cannot be held
    criminally liable based solely upon the information derived from the
    assessment. However, such acts must be considered when designating
    the risk level said individual poses to society.

    We foresee no challenges in respect to constitutional rights
    violations as the sex offender registry is merely a tool for the
    public, to warn them of those that "may" pose some future risk to
    society and the intent is to prevent sex crimes. This "Act" merely
    expands the public's awareness and would be a vital tool in the
    prevention of crimes as well as having the potential to catch those
    who have already committed crimes but have not been caught or
    prosecuted. Additionally, the courts have already ruled that
    registration is regulatory and not punitive in design and therefore
    The "No More Victims Act" will easily withstand constitutional
    challenges on that ground.

    All “REPLY’S will be forwarded to the writers of this Act..

     

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    Linda, Sep 11th, 2007 @ 7:00am

    No More Victims Act 2007

    Now there is an idea a little ahead of its time but feisable under todays existing laws. What would prevent the government from making this applicable to everyone. There are no constitutional protections in regards to the subject. It could be done. I found their web page at No More Victims. They look serious.

     

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    Linda, Sep 15th, 2007 @ 9:37am

    There is a "Common Sense Approach"

     

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    Linda, Sep 15th, 2007 @ 9:42am

    There is a "Common Sense Approach"

     

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    Udogg, Sep 9th, 2008 @ 5:29pm

    You people are geniouses

    whats an RFID, i was just doing my homework, and i found this website looking for the state senators name...

     

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    Udogg, Sep 9th, 2008 @ 5:31pm

    oh, this page is a little out of date...i'm such a tard...if anyone stumbles across this, don't laugh at me for trying to communicate with people who posted these messages a year ago.:P

     

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