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by Mike Masnick


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In Google We Trust

from the if-Google-says-so... dept

You can certainly question whether or not this study has a large enough or varied enough sample size (22 students from the same university), but the results were that the students studied appear to have something of a blind-trust in the authority of Google. That is, if Google deems a certain site to be more relevant based on a higher search engine ranking, the students often accepted that view -- even if sites that showed up lower in the results were actually much more relevant. This really isn't that surprising (or disturbing). After all, Google is often quite a good judge of relevance, and so there's value in trusting it to be right most of the time in its rankings. It helps people function faster, rather than having to verify everything carefully -- and in most cases, that's probably okay. As long as people realize the situations when they actually do need to verify things more carefully, it doesn't seem all that worrisome that kids use Google's rankings as a reasonable short cut in judging relevance.

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  • identicon
    JustMe, 29 Aug 2007 @ 8:52am

    Google is powerful. I almost always find what I am looking for in the first three returns. As with any search engine the better the querry (or word choice) the better the return. Personally, I think Google is one of the coolest free things on the Internet today.

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    Overcast, 29 Aug 2007 @ 9:01am

    YES, I can certainly agree.
    It's not just google, but anything on the web.

    'He called me fat, I'm SUING'.

    Reminds one of Jr. High School

    Google is fine, but sometimes it's best to double check/verify what you might think is right because it came up on a search or on a web page somewhere.

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    Jason, 29 Aug 2007 @ 9:09am

    If we can't trust Google, we're quite honestly fucked.

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      AMP, 29 Aug 2007 @ 9:31am

      Re:

      If we can't trust Google, we're quite honestly fucked

      Yeah, then people would actually have to do things like go to the library, open up books and encyclopedias. Maybe read a nwes paper. *Shudder*
      Do libraries still have microfilm/fishe?

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        youngster, 29 Aug 2007 @ 2:11pm

        Re: Re:

        what is microfilm/fishe?

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          Chris, 29 Aug 2007 @ 2:41pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          It's old school stuff, the kind of thing my parents used when they were in school (meaning now obsolete with the age of the .pdf file and the internet)

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            AMP, 29 Aug 2007 @ 3:36pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Wow, you guys are making me feel old! I used microfim and/or fishe in high school. I am only 36. Have I gone over the hill? Ah well, it was a good life.....

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          Colin, 29 Aug 2007 @ 4:32pm

          Re: What is Microfiche

          A thousand A3 (huge) Engineering Drawings can be photographed using a special (microfilm), camera to make the drawing very small, onto a single film reel saving lots of room, then mailed to someone, or safely stored, and restored back to their original size very quickly and easily. See: http://www.censusmicrofilm.com/mgraph.htm
          A microfiche card is a single photo of a large drawing held in a stiff card, (aperture card) which has a window holding a single photo of a drawing, making large drawings easy to file and search alphabetically.
          A microfiche can be a single sheet (about 5" by 7") of film holding about twenty miniturised drawings, easily posted in the normal or military mail.

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      Anonymous Coward, 29 Aug 2007 @ 9:39am

      Re:

      I think we can trust Google about as well as any other internet company. Just remember that nobody is perfect, and you can't believe everything you read. If you think Google is perfect, you have a problem. If you believe everything you read or see, you also have a problem. The problem here is not Google at all, but rather the idiots of this world revealing themselves to the public eye.

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    aaron, 29 Aug 2007 @ 9:34am

    And Wiki?

    Google + Wikipedia makes for interesting "research". Not good maybe . . but good enough, fast, and easy.

    I hope that the teachers have the tools in place to quckly compare papers to what's on the web to prevent wholesale lifting of content.

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      Anonymous Coward, 29 Aug 2007 @ 10:16am

      Re: And Wiki?

      I hope that the teachers have the tools in place to quickly compare papers to what's on the web to prevent wholesale lifting of content.

      My wife teaches senior and freshman English. The only tool that she has is her own knowledge of each student's writing abilities and general knowledge base. If she feels that a paper is written is clearly above the student's ability she will check it using Google. Luckily, students laziness generally prevents them from going to deep into the Google links that are returned on their search. She has actually had papers that she felt were beyond a specific student’s abilities. Upon entering the paper’s topic into Google, she opened the first link returned to find that the student had cut and pasted the entire article into their paper. Now I realize that plagiarism is the result of laziness, but to do it right you have to at least have the motivation to hide it better than that. At least go to the second page of returns.

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        George Glass, 29 Aug 2007 @ 2:10pm

        Re: Re: And Wiki?

        A little off topic, but did you know that if you "put words in quotes" in Google it will only find pages with that exact phrase? If you find an obscure enough phrase from a student's paper, then doing this should put the stolen article on the first page if not the first or only result. Now the students will have to pay geeks to write their papers, like everyone else.

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      Chris, 29 Aug 2007 @ 2:42pm

      Re: And Wiki?

      You mean tools like
      *shudders*
      http://www.turnitin.com
      ????

      Even though I refuse to use that site, it is there for those who will

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Aug 2007 @ 9:58am

    Manipulation?

    The study does touch on am important point:
    Can we trust Google? They give no explicit guarantee for link quality and most of their search algorithm is not transparent. What if they (or an employee there) all at a sudden decided to manipulate search results?
    I love Wikipedia, but the same issue here, no guarantee of quality, just a vague trust in the statistical goodwill of it's authors (I am one of them).
    In summary, while you can get information much faster these days, and in general it is better quality then what you could have gotten from a library book 15 years ago, you can not rely on a single link, there is less *guarantee* for quality then there was (and still is) from library sources.

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    yooper, 29 Aug 2007 @ 10:15am

    Call me thorough

    but I always look through several pages of search results. I never trust the rankings of any search engine (I look at the page summary to know if that is really what I am looking for).

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    Sean L, 29 Aug 2007 @ 10:25am

    google for reference, research elsewhere

    Actually.. among most of my friends, peer students, and myself.. we're really used to using google and wikipedia as reference, but our professors won't take papers unless our sources are from valid sources, like articles, newspapers and journals. In this case, google scholar is nice and google patent search, but again.. only for reference. Our school's periodical and journal search is much more useful in this sense. So.. google for reference, schools and libraries for research. I hope it never goes away.

    And yea, if we can't trust google, we're screwed. I would lose 80% of the websites I browse because I don't have them bookmarked "yet" ;)

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    Mashland, 29 Aug 2007 @ 10:32am

    Google: it's tomorrow to worry about.

    Trusting for the future...It's not the search results that are worrisome. It's Google's forest of servers that keep every single byte we touch across the internet alive and available. Today they (Google) seem trustworthy, though Anonymous Coward makes an important point about humans making mistakes.
    But in 20 years, if Google is managed by someone unscrupulous, or the government decides it can mine this ocean of data for criminal or political purposes, it's going to be damn ugly.
    I'm a Google user and a Google fan. But the risks are piling up every year and some day, in error or by design, every footstep along the superhighway will be tracked and analyzed.
    Vigilance!

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    Taersious, 29 Aug 2007 @ 11:58am

    Trust has to be earned

    I am a programmer and I use Google almost religiously to find code samples, reference info, and the like. If I cannot trust that a link I follow is going to bring the results I need, I obviously need to phrase my search criteria better. I have learned to think my search phrase out before performing a search. Google has consistently returned better results for me than any other major search engine.
    Just my $0.02

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    Wyatt, 29 Aug 2007 @ 12:19pm

    Taersious has a good point. Being a coder myself, I use Google very heavily. As far as rankings go, I don’t think I've ever even looked at them. I always read the summery before clicking the link. If my search string is phrased correctly the results I need are always returned (that is if they exist). Someone made the point about if we cant trust Google then we are fucked. That is true on so many levels. However the ratings system is an unknown, and should not be trusted because it can be so easily fudged with. Just reading the summery will tell you if the link is useful or not.

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      Vera, 29 Aug 2007 @ 3:37pm

      Re: Results always returned (if they exist)

      If my search string is phrased correctly the results I need are always returned (that is if they exist). This is not my experience. Non-tech things that do not naturally rise to the top of the pile in terms of traffic and rankings are getting harder and harder to find via Google. I've had numerous experiences where the only way I could re-find something I knew was out there was when I finally remembered truly unique search terms (such as the author's full name and more). It's still out there, as well as cached, but a lot of it which isn't mainstream or recently indexed is getting buried deeper and deeper. Leading edge and popular both have real value, but the state of affairs I refer to reveals the other side of the 'collective wisdom' coin.

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    Witty Nickname, 29 Aug 2007 @ 12:37pm

    22 people from a single university?

    How did this get coverage at all?

    I surveyed 4 of my co-workers on my cubicle row here in Houston and George W. Bush should be glad to know that is approval rating is now a powerful 75%!

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    Anonymous Coward, 29 Aug 2007 @ 1:39pm

    Google worship will end one day

    At present, Google has more to gain by providing honest results than by cheating. But some day, when the advertizing gravy train has been sufficiently plundered, they will have an incentive...

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    RandomThoughts, 29 Aug 2007 @ 5:03pm

    A few posters here touched on an issue and they are spot on. Google records pretty much everything you do on their site, their email, their chat, their toolbar, their desktop toolbar and any other tool they provide. You can cancel your gmail account, they keep your emails.

    Were Microsoft to do this, I am sure there would be a loud outcry. For Google, nothing. Who knows, maybe Google is actually part of the NSA.

    Forget search results, the other stuff is more important and potentially dangerous.

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    Myself, 30 Aug 2007 @ 11:49am

    Trust isn't the worrisome part.

    The original article's point is the same one I make constantly about Wikipedia. It's not perfect, but we know that, and for trivial stuff, it's good enough. For important stuff, it's still a useful starting point. I like to read the page history and see which parts of an article get the most edits, then I seek out independent views of those facets. I draw the trivial/important distinction this way: Before the internet, would this question have justified a trip to the library?

    As far as Google goes, I'm sure their data is already mined by the government. Any spook, in today's political climate where such things aren't subject to any sort of review, would be derelict of duty for not making that kind of grab. It's up to the courts to limit such access, and the executive branch has succeeded in making the courts impotent. To suggest that the NSA doesn't have their own private what-the-citizens-are-doing feed from Google (and Microsoft, and Yahoo) is irrational optimism of the highest order.

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    Don Jones, 30 Aug 2007 @ 1:52pm

    Google

    Google is great in many ways, but needs to be so much better. Just remember, their first priority to make money - they didn't get to where they are today by being weak.

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