UK Politician Shrugs Off Data Retention Costs

from the define-expensive dept

Last month when the EU decided to move forward with data retention laws, despite the fact that they tend to make it more difficult to find the important stuff, many people noticed that the plans didn't address the issue of exactly how ISPs were going to pay for all of this -- and whether they could expect any help from the government that was suddenly forcing this massively expensive task on them. Today, Home Secretary Charles Clarke in the UK basically said that he recognizes it's expensive for ISPs, but too bad. He suggests that the government is willing to "work" with ISPs, but basically just says that data retention has to happen one way or the other, and the payment issue is a minor one. That's a pretty interesting statement, considering that the costs are likely to shrink competition (ISPs will go out of business or consolidate) while slowing innovation. All this to make important data harder to find? Sounds like a great proposal.

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  1. identicon
    Matt, 11 Jan 2006 @ 12:35pm

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    Hopefully we can keep this terrible 100% retention idea out of America.

    It's sad that it's now required in europe. This just makes the bigger, wealthier ISPs more powerful, so they can stamp on their customers even more.

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    john, 11 Jan 2006 @ 12:43pm

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    I was there, another interesting (terrible) thing he said to Cisco's government relations advisor was that when they start their new investment cycle into new product development, they ought to take into account the EU data retention directive and make their products function accordingly. Quite how he intends to relate that to globlal investment plans I'm not quite sure. He also refused to guarantee that the government wouldn't go further in future demands of data retention policy.

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    Rikko, 11 Jan 2006 @ 12:54pm

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    "Our toughest problem is future-proofing, as there will be a massive change in technology. We request that all engage with us," said Clarke.

    This line pisses me off more than anything.. They completely disregard the added complexity and cost required for ISPs to archive this data and now make this implication that the ISPs should also be throwing more resources into keeping accessible in the future.

    The ISPs should just dump all relevant logs onto DVDs and throw them in a pile. Maybe to be generous they can scribble the date on each one. Let the feds sort it out.

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    crystalattice (profile), 11 Jan 2006 @ 1:08pm

    Why is it the ISP's job?

    Why do the ISP's have to retain the data? If the gvt. wants the data so bad, then make a law that the ISP's have to provide copies of their data to the gvt. Then the gvt. can pay to store the data.

    ISP's shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of an unfunded mandate, especially if there's no proof that it will make a difference.

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    Brewski, 11 Jan 2006 @ 1:13pm

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    > < I>telecommunications companies and ISPs will have to save information about customers' phone calls and electronic communications for up to two years

    Why two years? Why not five? Ten? Forever? Did some genius politico pull this out of their azz?

    > ISP's concerns that their economic competitiveness would be affected by having to store data

    Technically, not so much. If everyone is burdened with the same costs, it's a*2 = b*2 = c*2

    > We combat this by collecting intelligence.

    Anyone know how the US's National Security Agency (the famous NSA/No Such Agency) stores all their shizzle in Fort Meade, Maryland?

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    Brewski, 11 Jan 2006 @ 1:18pm

    Re: More...

    Sorry, another thought popped into my head after I clicked "Submit". (Only enough storage capacity in there for one idea at a time, I guess...)

    >businesses that don't already retain data won't have to in the future

    Would corporations that do serve up mail internally for their employees also need to store this data? How would the law apply if the company is based outside the UK, but the mail servers are physically in the UK? What if the servers are in the US, but the employees are in the UK? Sounds to me like this would make doing business in the United Kingdom (and the other countries that have this dumbass unfunded mandate in place) expensive.

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    Andrew Strasser, 11 Jan 2006 @ 3:31pm

    Any Govt.

    You expect any different.... The brits weren't much more supportive. Actually there have been a few Govts. I've tried to get info from and we've seen how easy it is for stuf to disappear if they don't want you to know. You may have a window, but it'll be gone.

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    Phil, 15 Mar 2006 @ 6:15pm

    Re: Why is it the ISP's job?

    Maybe the ISPs should store junk data on the disks, or use some sort of arcane data format which makes it almost impossible to use.
    And what would be the situation of someone who used an EU ISP from anothe, non-EU country, which is quite probably possible, at least on dial up

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