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Say That Again

by Mike Masnick




SBC: We Own The Internet, So Google Should Pay Up

from the uh-oh.--trouble-coming. dept

It's become pretty clear that Kevin Martin's FCC has no problem considering "competition" in the broadband space to mean incumbent telcos vs. incumbent cable companies. So far, the FCC has done just about everything possible to make it much harder for any third parties to get into the game. So is it really any surprise to hear the CEO of SBC, Ed Whitacre, in an interview suggest that it's only a matter of time before they start going after any of the services that make the internet useful to try to make them pay up to remain reachable? When asked about companies like Google, Yahoo and Vonage, he says: "Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why should they be allowed to use my pipes? The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts!" In other words, he's talking about going well beyond blocking some ports like BellSouth, to actually blocking out websites and services unless they first pay SBC a fee. It certainly has the feel of extortion: pay up or no one on our network will be able to reach your website. If you thought that mess Level 3 and Cogent was problematic, just wait until you can't access Google from SBC, because Google fails to pay up SBC's "connection" fees. What Whitacre seems to be forgetting is that it's all of these services and the ability to connect that makes the internet access worthwhile. Now who was just saying that network neutrality wasn't needed? Notice that the only reason this is possible now is because there's less competition in the broadband space, not more. If there were real competition, SBC would never even dare to suggest that they might cut off a Google, Yahoo or Vonage.

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    Serenity, 31 Oct 2005 @ 9:52am

    Re: They do pay

    umm...
    heh...yeah...

    Its approx 500$ for service connection for a customer to a 3rd party (DSL through ELINK)
    Secondly, SBC does not actually provide the total bandwidth anyway to its customers unless the customer knows how to find the information and is willing to call the TS line go through stupid troubleshoooting, get transferred to the DSG wait for a dispatch just to find out they WILL tell you it is an IW issue.. And actually you are wrong about alternate ISPs as well. They are going to be better off as DSL becomes more common and prices will drop unless corporations keep them up with price gouging. Especially since people like SBC can provision for free, except in terms of man-hours. So SBC is already screwing the other ISPs and on top of that do you know how much data OC12/OC64 pipelines can handle.. don't tell me SBC is SUFFERING because they allow traffic, they have been doing it since just about the Dawn of the Internet. Now however they are sucking it up because they mismanaged the whole deal and are being screwed by it.. sounds to me like bad business, and there is no sympathy here.

    P.S. and as for the comment about Yahoo or Google not using SBC... For some reason I doubt that very much.. You do know that in order to maintain a 5 9's status you have to have double and triple redundant DS3's and higher right. Which means they are probably paying 15,000 dollars PER Month PER DS3 PER Telco

    For Example: In a company I interact with.....
    We have 6 DS3's in 6 sites which are rolled and redundant totaling 18 DS3's

    from
    Qwest
    BellSouth
    AT&T....

    And I know google is bigger by quite a bit... and Ma Bell does own the entire west coast you know.

    Ohh did i forget them having to ride a SONET as well.. Since I am sure they do that also... so you can add the SONET Fees in there somewhere.

    And as for a provider not providing the best speed. That is by choice and improper management of the ISP. Bandwidth is easy to switch and keep routed properly, however have you ever read you service contract with the ISP.. I promise you it says best-effort: No Service level, yet if they give you one remarkably you get what you pay for... for an extra 100$-1450$ per month.

    DSL is and always will be a crap product, and bellsouth has made that the standard.

    PS. You get the bandwidth from DSL that you Sync at on the DSLAM, and you can use all of the port at any time.... Period. The virtual circuit path is merely the pipeline to the end it does not care as long as both sides equate to eachother so there is no switched bandwidth, only SVC's which are switched virtual circuits, and what you probably really me is the Load-Balancing that SBC preforms and the CIR Vs. Burst.

    Circuit can be put together as a 1536/128 Frac-T Via DSL DSLAM (MUX): Meaning the PVC or SVC
    CIR could be somewhere around 768/128 to save SBCs butt and prevent you from actually utilizing you line at which point you would be able to burst to the size of the circuit. e.g 1536/128 for 5-20 seconds and then you drop back to CIR.

    So in the end, the bottom line is: The guy above me was right; with the emergence of people like vonage and VOIP and MPLS Networks good ol SBC is watching their whole world slip... And it is glorious indeed: I think the cable company should merge with vonage and offer it only on Cable-Modem connections: and Develope a DOCSIS Cable modem that will maintain power(From the CO-AX) in the loss of a live power-circuit so that vonage could work without the power like a regular phoneline... see how SBC likes that.


    Can we tell I hate SBC and the giant dirtstain which is its management. All Hail free Internet: Or give me atleast what i pay for.

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