Massive UK Child Porn Bust Based On Wrong Info From US Officials

from the whoops dept

Nugget writes in with some disturbing news concerning what appears to have been an overzealous crackdown on child porn. Child porn is a serious problem that needs to be confronted, but that doesn't mean by arresting people without evidence. There was a massive crackdown in the UK a few years back, called "Operation Ore." However, as PC Pro is claiming in an investigative report, a key piece of evidence, supplied by US officials doesn't actually prove what investigators claimed it proved (bugmenot unfortunately required). The US supplied the data on a number of people who subscribed to some sort of porn aggregation service, claiming that it had a big button on the front page that said "Click here for child porn." The details, however, show that that was just an ad for another site (not linking them deeper into that service) all the way down at the bottom of the page, rather than the main portion of the site's start page and the ad didn't appear all the time (in fact, the investigators later admitted they only saw it once). As for the aggregation site itself, plenty of the content was clearly for legitimate porn. However, many people were charged with possession of child porn based solely on their subscription to this aggregator, and plenty of them had their names released to the press. The article notes that at least 33 people accused in Operation Ore committed suicide. It's quite likely that many of those accused are guilty of possessing child porn -- but that doesn't mean they should be convicted (in public or in court) without any actual evidence. Unfortunately, since child porn is such a touchy issue, people are often afraid to go to bat for those falsely accused -- and just the hint that people are involved can publicly destroy them.
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  • identicon
    Get rid of the scum, 27 Jun 2005 @ 4:18pm

    Child Porn

    If they were involved GOOD. Why would any law abiding sane parent who cares about protecting children, care? I don't care how the information was obtained, a PERVERT is a PERVERT. Any person who wants, gets, and distributes any form of child porn needs to kill themselves. Saves my tax dollars while the ACLU, waste money saying that you have the right. If any of these sick bastards are left stick then in the hard core prison cell with BUBBA. I will not miss a minute of sleep.

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      Mike (profile), 27 Jun 2005 @ 4:33pm

      Re: Child Porn

      Yes, but the point of this article was that there's no evidence that many of these people *were* actually pedophiles. You're happy to put innocent people away and ruin their lives, just because a few of them might have been guilty?

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      • identicon
        Prem Das, 27 Jun 2005 @ 5:06pm

        Re: Child Porn

        How do you know there weren't any evidence? There can be no judgement in a court of Law if there weren't incontrovertable evidence or are you suggesting they were all tried in a Kangaroo Court.

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          Jack Sombra, 30 Jan 2006 @ 3:37am

          Re: Child Porn

          "There can be no judgement in a court of Law if there weren't incontrovertable evidence or are you suggesting they were all tried in a Kangaroo Court. "
          Problem is, these days if accused of something like this you are guilty until proven innocent in most peoples eyes.
          And even if you are proven innocent in a court of law, in most cases people will still view you as guilty due to the old saying "no smoke without fire"
          Police should not be releaseing names in cases like this untill the person is proven guilty in a court of law, because even when the person proves his/her innocence their life is still pretty much over.

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        Guilty By Association, 27 Jun 2005 @ 9:15pm

        Re: Child Porn

        It really sucks to be those sick bastards. I feel so sorry for them.

        Gee, what a terrible thing to happen...they were accused of a crime they may not have committed. Wow. I guess they are victims. How terrible.

        I say burn them all. They were downloading porn. Too bad, so sad. Sucks to be them.

        Do you have any idea how much porn out there contains images of women who are being opressed/violated/etc?

        You think that just because a picture is of a person over the age of 18 that it is OK?

        How much "peeping tom" crap is out there?

        I say keep your nose clean and stay out of trouble. Truly innocent people would be able to prove that in court. Dirtbags with demons on their back would commit suicide.

        There. I said it.

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          Phuck Yu, 2 Nov 2012 @ 7:41pm

          Re: Re: Child Porn

          The people who send innocents to jail are infinitely worse than any pedophile/mass murderer/racist that ever lived. Gut THEM!!!!!!!!!!

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      Hillsborough child nursery, 26 Oct 2007 @ 11:04am

      Re: Child Porn

      I met Susan Lowry or Sue Lowry about 32 years ago….
      As Good friends of the family for many years, my daughter and Samantha Lowry also were good friends.

      When I met Susan Lowry, was a “DIVA” of rich man, but she got pregnant with Joe Lowry, time when Susan Lowry got married to John Lowry ( He was rich back then.)

      Susan Lowry or Sue Lowry, missed her life as “Diva” (Prostitute), so she kept seen her old customers, ( several rich men.)

      Samantha Lowry was conceived from one of this many affairs, (extramarital), Susan Lowry, never found who the father was, reason, Samantha Lowry has no similarities with any of her sisters or brother.

      Samantha Lowry, Your real father is not John Lowry !

      I am unaware if John Lowry or Samantha Lowry knows the truth.

      Susan Lowry and John Lowry lived in Shrivenham for a few years, after many problems caused by their illicit business, they moved to Bishoptone.

      About 10 Years a go they open Hillsborough child nursery (Hillsborough Day Nursery, Swindon. Bishopstone),

      Hillsborough Day nursery, or Hillsborough Day care in Bishopstone : In this Child nursery, they continue with other illicit activities, and Susan Lowry enhance children to be naked, while pictures and videos were taken and sold internationally. In one of such videos, Joe Lowry appears with a mask, Having sex with a 5 year old boy. When I found about this inhumane acts of Sue Lowry, I never spoke to her again.
      The mother of Susan Lowry found about this, and killed herself.
      After this incident, Susan Lowry left her whole Family for a whole Year.

      The word spread around Bishopstone, so the Lowry family moved to Taragon , Spain. but after many problems with the law, returned to Bishopstone.

      My daughter and Samantha Lowry, remained friends for many years.
      My daughter said Samantha Lowry followed the same steps of the Mother, and had many one night stands with unknown man.

      In a “school” trip to Amsterdam, Samantha Lowry had no money, So she rented a room in The Red Light District for 3 nights, Samantha Lowry said to my daughter she slept with 38 man and made lots of money .

      Also She has a porn site having sex with 5 man at once (donna-wilkes.upskirt-celebz.info) or type in Google “Samantha Jennifer Lowry” is the last site in the list.

      At that time, My daughter stop communication with Samantha Lowry.
      We recently seen the News, and We thank God, This family would not cause harm ever again to any children.

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        Jamie williams, 27 Jul 2014 @ 4:40pm

        Re: Re: Child Porn

        Nursery judged ‘unsafe’
        SAFETY of children at the Hillsborough Day Nursery in Bishopstone is at risk according to the schools watchdog.
        It was deemed to be good in its most recent inspection in 2010, but was judged inadequate during an inspection in November.
        The inspectors said: “Children do not make sufficient progress in their learning because staff do not plan and provide a suitable range of activities to build on what children already know and can do. The quality of teaching and support for children’s individual learning varies considerably across the setting.
        “Some children show they are unsettled for much of the morning and staff do little to engage the children in interesting activities and enjoyable experiences.
        “This does not support children's emotional well-being and help them prepare for changes in their life.”
        The report raised further doubt around the suitability of management and staff, despite a new manager being put in place last year.
        “The inspection was carried out following concerns that manager and provider do not have relevant knowledge or qualifications,” the report said. “Also that there is poor organisation and risk assessment and that education, planning and assessment is not sufficient.
        “The provider has failed to notify Ofsted of a change to the partnership forming the registered person. This is an offence. The provider also does not have a robust system in place to ensure the suitability of staff as required.”
        A spokesman for Hillsborough Day Nursery said: “Formal complaints about the report and the inspection have been lodged with Ofsted via ourselves and our solicitors.

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  • identicon
    Prem Das, 27 Jun 2005 @ 4:58pm

    Porn Bust on Wrong Info

    Technicalities should not be a basis upon which the merits of the case should be judged. Why should the law be so complicated. If a crime has been committed and it comes to light inadvertantly, then thank Providence and hang the perpertrator from the nearest lamp post. These bleeding hearts busybodies forget that the Law is its utility. It is a tool not a sacred cow.

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    Pete Austin, 28 Jun 2005 @ 1:20am

    Background on Operation ORE

    Mike, I commend your bravery in raising the subject, but this was not an "overzealous crackdown on child porn".

    1. There seem to have been two distinct businesses involved.
    2. The lack of other evidence could be explained by the DELAY OF OVER TWO YEARS before UK police started operation ORE. Perhaps the alleged paedophiles deleted it.

    Background from ComputerInvestigations.com.

    "Landslide's original business was running what they called an Adult Verification Service (AVS) whereby any interested user could provide a credit card number to "prove" that they were over 18, and for a few dollars a month they would be provided with an ID and password which would gain them subscription access to hundreds of websites containing adult pornographic content. This system was an effective and entirely legal way of making internet pornography available"

    "The KEYZ section on the other hand dealt with subscription to individual sites on a cost per period basis ... During an undercover operation, Dallas Police Officers purchased access to a number of named sites within the KEYZ group and established that they contained images of child pornography."

    "On 8th September 1999, the premises of Landslide Inc. and the home of the Reedy's were visited by the U.S. Police ... On 2nd April 2002, WDC Sharon Girling of the National Crime Squad in the U.K. visited the United States accompanied by Nicholas Webber and Brian Underhill. Images of 12 computer hard drives from the Landslide operation were acquired onto DVD disks, along with other evidential material, and these were brought back to the U.K. to form the starting point of Operation ORE... I have assisted in a number of cases arising from Operation ORE (for both prosecution and defence)..."

    More links from Google.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 28 Jun 2005 @ 10:08am

      Too damn bad ...


      So what ?

      6 sicko's killed themselves 'cause they molested or wanted to molest children.

      I SAY: GOOD RIDDANCE !

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        Pussy, 28 Jun 2005 @ 11:49am

        Re: Too damn bad ...

        I never realized that techdirt readers were so ignorant, or so ready to condemn the innocent.

        No fucking wonder Bush is still in office, and the RIAA is running the courts.

        The responses to this article are perfect examples of why democracy is an AWFUL idea MOST of you should NOT get a vote - or a voice.

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          Anonymous Coward, 14 Sep 2006 @ 12:55pm

          Re: Re: Too damn bad ...

          thank god there`s one! sane, rational person around. any one seen the film witch finder general?? i cant believe this "string em up" mentality . its like an explosion in a moron storage unit. its little wonder that the taliban are heading west by the million....same mind set realy is`nt it.

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            Justice Will be Done, 6 Dec 2006 @ 4:32am

            Re: Re: Re: Too damn bad ...

            To all of the 'morons' who have posted here with their 'string 'em up' mentality.
            I am an individual who has been wrongly accused by British police based on American so-called intelligence.
            And thanks to your blatant hatred towards "anyone who is suspected of a crime is guilty" attitude I attempted to take my own life.
            For 6 months I and my wife had to endure such crap from Police & Social services that my own depression became so bad that the only option I could see was to end it all - therefore freeing my family from the seemingly never ending trauma.
            Even after being found to have committed no offence, I still have to put up with lies and more lies. And when I question these lies (particularly from Social Services) it would appear that they are beyond reproach.
            Sadly, the world's media plays right into the hands of many of the idiots who post here, and sadder still, these idiots can see no further than the crap they're being fed.
            It would appear my only crime was bringing up two children to respect people, respect peoples property but above all, to be honest. I guess I've made a terrible mistake !!!!
            I believe that a comment that was made in PC Pro magazine was that many lives have been irretrievably damaged. Well I'm in that category.
            Despite treatment for depression & Post traumatic stress, the damage done will NEVER be erased. I still really wish I was dead.
            One day people will finally realise that that the words Americain and intelligence do not go together.

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      Nugget, 30 Jun 2005 @ 7:56am

      Re: Background on Operation ORE

      There is rather more to this than 'Delays': Jim Bates, the forensics expert whom you quoted, has responded to the recent article:
      "Quite apart from highlighting apalling, perhaps even malicious, negligence - this article represents only the tip of the iceberg from my point of view.
      Lives, marriages and families have been destroyed on false information and insufficient verification of the supposed evidence. In September 2003, I wrote that I did not think Operation ORE had been irreparably compromised by the discrediting of Brian Underhill in the Stevens case. Well - in the light of the article mentioned above and other information which has recently come to my attention, I've changed my mind. This investigation has become a national scandal and a disgraceful slur on all decent police officers involved in investigating computer based evidence. I am not even sure now, that the information from Landslide is intelligence reliable enough to use to gain search warrants.

      - Reasons for this hardening of my attitude? The examination of the Landslide computers seems to have been even more incompetent than I thought.
      - Evidence is growing that Landslide may have been been perpetrating a massive fraud on their AVS customer base.
      - An increasing number of the records presented from the Landslide database have been fatally flawed in some way.
      There is much more at:
      "
      http://www.computer-investigations.com/cmnt10.html

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        nemesis, 21 Jul 2005 @ 1:28pm

        Re: Background on Operation ORE

        Mr Jim Bates has also been the subject of a recent article in the UK's Private Eye magazine Credible witness? PRIVATE EYE Issue 1137 22 July 2005 - Page 26 Forensic Expert. http://www.private-eye.co.uk/ Jim Bates, a forensic computer expert who has given evidence in some of the countrys most sensitive trials, including Operation Ore, is himself being investigated by police because of concerns over his professional qualifications and credibility. Until a few days ago, anyone searching for a computer expert via the UK Register of Experts or Institution of Analysts and Programmers (of which Mr Bates is president) would have found a profile of him citing his BSc (Eng) qualification. But Jim Bates has no such degree. Mr Bates is the latest forensic expert to have been caught out for misleading people over fake qualifications. Earlier this month the crown prosecution service (CPS) ordered a review of all court cases which had heard evidence from Jessica Rees, a lip-reading expert, after it emerged that instead of gaining a BA in English at Balliol College, Oxford, she had not completed the course. Jim Bates did not go to university at all; but he told the Eye he believed he was entitled to suggest he had a BSc because in 1965 he obtained a qualification from the Association of Electronic Engineers in Leicester and it had sent him a letter saying this was equivalent to a BSc. He said he could not reproduce the letter because it had got lost in a house move. The only Association of Electronic Engineers the Eye can trace is in Hong Kong and there is no evidence that the Eye - or Mr Bates - can find to prove that it ever existed anywhere in the UK, let alone Leicester. Mr Bates lack of qualifications was raised during a trial in Croydon last year; but it has not yet led to any review of court cases with which he has been connected. Bates said the judge was satisfied the issue did not affect his ability to give factual expert evidence. A CPS spokeswoman said the CPS would consider any material presented to it, but at the moment it did not have anything that caused it concern about his competence. That may change if Inspector Knacker presents a dossier. Mr Bates told the Eye that although he mistakenly believed he was entitled to the qualification, he had not actually used it for court work or in CVs - contrary to documents seen by the Eye - and claimed that people were out to pillory him. He pursued a similar theme on his website earlier this month. Recent events have produced some mud-slinging concerning non-existent academic qualifications. For the record I do not have a university degree and I have never attended a university as a student. The only post nominals (sic) that I use are FIAP (CMPN). That means fellow of the Institute of Analysts and Programmers and I was elected to this in December 1997. Meanwhile, Eye readers may recall that Mr Bates is no stranger to mud slinging himself. When the child porn case against DC Brian Stevens, liaison officer in the Soham murders, collapsed because a prosecution expert had made mistakes in his analysis of the detectives laptop, Bates bayed for blood. He called for an inquiry into all the other cases carried out by Brian Underhill, a former policeman, and said: Any solicitor worth their salt will be looking to see if they can get their case thrown out simply because he is listed as an expert witness. And who can blame them? Who now can blame anyone for looking at cases in which Mr Bates has been involved?

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          melic, 26 Sep 2005 @ 7:24am

          Re: Background on Operation ORE

          I find it reasonable to argue about the technichal quality of the article, what under no cimcurmstances can be deffended is the arrest and conviction of citizens who have broken no law.
          I am surprised at the number of perverts in this forum deffending such thing.

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            me, 10 Jan 2006 @ 4:00pm

            Re: Background on Operation ORE

            http://pub11.bravenet.com/forum/880374447/fetch/520303/

            Court out

            http://www.private-eye.co.uk/

            More trouble for Jim Bates, the computer expert who has given evidence in some of the countrys most sensitive trials and who, the Eye revealed, has been investigated over his professed qualifications. Or lack of them.

            Eye readers will recall that Mr Bates claimed to have a BSc in engineering when he has no such degree and never in fact went to university. But it now appears he is being reported to the attorney-general for an alleged contempt of court, after it was suggested that he tried to record proceedings at Northampton crown court last October.

            Police are also looking into how some hard disks that Mr Bates had given them and on which, as an expert for the defence, he had asked them to record indecent images, already seemed to carry indecent images given to Mr Bates in a separate matter.

            Meanwhile the Crown Prosecution Service also appears to be concerned; namely about Mr Bates impartiality and independence as an expert, because his website, which discloses details of Operation Ore, the paedophile internet porn inquiry, questions the professional competence (among other things) of the experts called by the prosecution.

            When the Eye first approached Mr Bates about his non-existent degree, he claimed he believed he had the equivalent qualification obtained in 1965 from the Association of Electronic Engineers in Leicester. But neither the Eye, nor Mr Bates, could find or prove that that organisation had ever existed.

            Then Mr Bates claimed that though he thought he was entitled to use the qualification, he hadnt actually used it for court work. Wrong again!

            Mr Bates was used as the computer expert by police in their trumped up charges against Sergeant Gurpal Virdi (see Eyes passim) who was accused of sending race hate mail to his fellow ethnic minority officers.

            At one time, when PS Virdi was supposed to be at his computer composing the offensive material, he was in fact miles away; and on another occasion pinpointed by Mr Bates, the material had already been printed and sealed in the office despatch system.

            On his court witness statement, Mr Bates boldly declares; I hold a Bachelor of Science degree in electronic engineering.

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    Matt, 14 Aug 2006 @ 2:20pm

    Child Porn - Operation Ore

    Child abuse is wrong and destroys childrens lives - this goes without saying. It is a sickening crime that touches something so base to people that it brings out hatred and no one should tolerate anyone who does it. This said being accussed of child abuse or being involved in such things destroys that persons life. Until it happens to you, you have very little idea what happens - I am currently going through this now. I'm not going to go in to details but when you are accussed of a crime that is such a sensitive area ie rape, murder, torture and abuse (essentially a crime that turns peoples stomachs) then both parties should be protected until the legal decision is made. People do see you as guilty regardless of the facts, and you know your local paper won't be printing a fair view of this - they want to sell papers. I'll leave you with one thought - you let people use your pc right? Have friends round and let them use your pc? Maybe someone house sits for you. What happens if two years down the line the police take your pc and with the power of forensics recover a handful of illegal porn images downloaded from P2P networks - well you have to prove you didn't download them. Any ideas how you'd start?

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    monksie, 10 May 2007 @ 5:58am

    not always innocent

    sorry to the poor men who have been accused of this heinous crime but have genuinly not done wrong, but a member of my family was arrested in op ore and he was guilty. addmitted it and had thousands of pictures to prove his guilt. his wife had stumbled across something previously and he blamed it on his teenage son. these men will go to great lengths to hide what theyare doing and many more will make excuses..someone stole my card, someone used my pc. i accept that often this is the case but this cant deter us from seeking out these sick perverts who destroy lives. my uncle committed suicide because he was a evil coward who know in jail he would have been treated as he deserved. i think the world is a better place without him in it.

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      Mike James, 24 Oct 2007 @ 6:39am

      Re: not always innocent

      Good point, some were guilty of paying for and downloading abuse, however many were not charged but had their lives ruined purely by association with pervs. Some have now cleared their names and proved they were victims of fraud, but many still wait for their day in court. The fact that British Police totaly dissregarded any evidence of fraud in their investigation is the main reason so much objection exists about this operation. Nobody in their right minds would argue viewing abuse is right, but the US courts were right in their decision that a payment to Landslide was not evidence of a crime in itself, this is no technicality it is based on there being no evidence submitted by the FBI or the USPS which proved payments were ilegal. The British seem to have obtained evidence which did not exist in the US hearing but the allegation is that the evidence may have been fabricated by over zelous officers some of which themselves have a dubious levels of credibility when you learn they have been investigated for sexual missconduct in the work place. Jim Bates is not the only person involved with Ore who may have a questionable backround...

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  • identicon
    Gina Belucci, 29 Oct 2007 @ 7:37am

    Child Pornography

    The Lowry mob main profit is child pornograhy.
    Hillsborough child nursery bishopstone swindon, they use this children for videos and pictures,
    well connected and with influence as they also sell children...

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    peter ackman, 24 Nov 2007 @ 5:22pm

    Samantha Lowry the slut

    I remember samantha lowry from reading university,what a slut, she use to charge 10 pounds for a blowjob with condom and 15 without it!sometimes she will suck over 10 guys at a time.
    her nickname was "the vacum" she sucks all...

    we always made fun of her permanent pimple under her big huge nose,(her nose always got on the way...)she is a psyco and truly repugnant.
    samantha lowry, how many venereal diseases do you have ?

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    Daniel Pavon Cuellar, 27 Jan 2008 @ 12:33pm

    Samantha Lowry

    Samantha Lowry or Samantha Jennifer lowry, the mother who did not want my son, and reason he carries only my last names….
    To Samantha Lowry from bishopstone, England….It pays of to not show up in Mexico May 28 and anytime after, It pays off to not send the travel documents for Daniel Pavon Cuellar and Sebastian to return to the U.S, It pays off to stand them up in Laredo in June 2 for them to be unable to return, It pays off to restrict with the court for Daniel Pavon Cuellar to get travel documents for his son, It pays off to take over his homestead and all his documents and file a restraining order against him and anyone related in anyway to him to make sure he could not get old travel documents to get new ones and return…
    It pays off to make all types of false warrants, all types of lies, it pays off to send Joe Lowry , and Scarlett Lowry to Harass his parents in Mexico and send raids when Samantha knew I was in Veracruz by all the emails I was sending trying to get this solved…
    But when all is made for money….Then, Money is the goal….so an illegal alien leaving only since September of 2006 has more rights, then a resident of the United Sates for 18 years.And a mother who did not want her son, can easily use him for her benefit….
    So by blocking our return, and unable to make it to court…..
    Samantha Lowry
    What she got$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$…..

    - 300000 cash bond I will need to post if I want to see my son.
    - Samantha Lowry can take my son anywhere, without any visitation rights for me.
    - $ 4200 child support a month, My income last year was 18 000, but she got this by perjury, claiming the properties of my parents, and their bank account was mine (even when is under their sole name!)even when she had all my taxes in my homestead
    - Samantha Lowry gets my homestead until my son turn 18 (same I still owe in full)
    - Samantha Lowry gets another property we just bought and same I still owe in full,
    - Samantha Lowry gets all my lifes art works
    - Over 200 000 in attorneys fees, for a two month trial without contest ! Joe d Milner fraud
    - Samantha Lowry signed the agreement reviewed and modified by Joe D Milner, and the same day she signed, Joe D Milner had made also one for under duress ! in the worst interest of my son…But the fraud of Joe D Milner is endless !
    Including perjury in alternative proof of service to make sure I will not know about the suit ! Joe d Milner and daughter Jami Milner, Fraud by using the law....
    So with the warrants they block my return to be able to make justice, reason why now Samantha Lowry has set warrants (whith the help of Joe Lowry and boyfriend Tristan Nind) in Mexico, U.S and maybe England as she claims.
    - Samantha Lowry took my son to England the very same day she signed the agreement and even “left the documents of him to not be removed from the country at the embassy”, and already dating another guy since shortly after I left.

    It pays off to lie ? to make false warrants! To make a huge mess to steall all.
    A woman who does this, does not love, never loved…..a relationship of 5 years…..
    But once the baby was born, it was time to cash on the pregnancy….

    But if you think that is a lot, think again !

    By keeping a secret suit against my parents, and me, she won 35 000 000 Dollars !

    Yes, same fraudulent attorney Joe D Milner ! doing all for my parents to not know about the suit, this one lasted only 1 month an a half…..over 200 000 additional attorneys fees , yes, it seems fantasy, 35 000 000 dollars ! also by perjury and fraud, where all her family Jemima Lowry, Scarlet Lowry, Joe Lowry, John Lowry, Susan Lowry and even the boyfriend Tristan Nind help her do this huge fraud

    And all courts without been heard !!!!!!!!!even when the judge had on front of him my parents were not served !

    Reason Why Joe Lowry, and Scarlet lowry, as well as Meg Munn where doing all to send raids, harass my parents while I was in Veracruz, and Susan Lowry , John Lowry making Lies, websites and getting news to make all types of lies. It pays off to be liers and criminals…..
    The owners of Hillsborough child nursery !In bishopstone, where do you have your child, who s children are there?
    So the Saga of baby Sebastian, when and how will it end ?
    And they were asking for your funds to get to win this ????
    So now you know, crimianls at hillsborough child nursery at Bishopstone...

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    Public Justice, 2 Nov 2009 @ 9:27am

    MURDER, KIDNAPPING FOR THE TEHFT OF ART

    Samantha Jennifer Lowry has been formally accused of fraud, theft, kidnapping and murder.

    follow the story at http://www.PUBLICJUSTICE.TV

    You will see the most perverse crimes of all.

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    Public Justice, 5 Nov 2009 @ 6:07am

    THEFT,FRAUD,KIDNAPPING AND MURDER

    Daniel Pavon Cuellar, who they have kidnapped his new born son, murder his father, and stolen 1732 original fine art paintings.
    Stolen his homestead with Murals, one third of an acre of luscious gardens.
    And much more, all, by an illegal alien with high influences claiming to be part of a mob.
    Due Process has been denied, a police detective named Andrew Westbrook has under a dead threat Daniel Pavon Cuellar, and much more.
    A case that reached Tony Blair, Meg Munn, Anne Snelgrove (parliament Members), consuls and vice consul and many more, yet, after two years six months, Due Process continue to be denied, regardless of an International agreement that grants it.
    Daniel Pavon Cuellar searched for alternative Justice, and the people who help the case be known, when now, Google presents the evidence on line to make Justice.
    Now we can say, in today, the best forum and most convenient forum for cases of abuse of office, is and has become Internet, the future of justice, sites covering the story, eveidence and events:
    See www.kidnapped.tv
    See www.Publicjustice.tv
    See www.injusticeofjustice.net
    See www.Complaintsdirect.net
    See www.Newsofaustin.info
    See www.Newsoftexas.info
    See www.Judgewrong.org
    See the www.Lawsuit.org
    See www.Perversecrimes.com
    See many more….
    The Criminals: Joe D Milner, Jami Milner also known as Jami Milner Turner, or Jami Turner, Samantha Lowry, also known as Samantha Jennifer Lowry, Samantha jane Lowry, Samantha Jay Lowry, Susan Gail Lowry, John Auriol Lowry, Joseph Patrick Douglas Lowry, Tristan John Nind, Minton Burton Foster and Collins, Mike Techow, Adelante solutions and ,
    Others involved such as Meg Munn, Anne Snelgrove, (parliament members) Nicola Mockridge, Dawn Farr, Martin Tatuch, (embassies) Rocio Vazquez Alvarez Secretaria de Relaciones Exteriores and several others.
    Becuase now, Internet is the future of Justice, evidence on line, available to all the public and the world, the most covenient forum, internet

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