It Took Just Four Days From Elon Gleefully Admitting He’d Unplugged A Server Rack For Twitter To Have A Major Outage
from the whoops dept
I know, I know. Some of the more angry commenters around here keep insisting that I should stop talking about Elon Musk and Twitter, and I want to do exactly that. I planned to do exactly that and not write another post about it all until next week. And then… Twitter crashed hard last night. Downdetector has the receipts:

Here’s what happened when I went to visit Twitter:

I especially like that “it’s not your fault” bit, because, well, yeah. It’s not.
As I write this, there hasn’t been anything official about what happened, but I’m assuming that Elon will show up at some point to blame the “woke mind virus” or the federal reserve or SBF or Anthony Fauci.
And, it may be a total coincidence, but it was just four days ago that he bragged about pulling the plug on an “important server rack.”

Separately, there have been reports that Musk decided (with little to no notice, and almost no planning) to shut down its Sacramento data center and massively downsize their Atlanta data center. Twitter only has one other data center in the US, in Portland, Oregon. Twitter’s use of data centers rather than the cloud is something that’s been discussed over the years, and two years ago the company did sign a deal to start using Amazon Web Services, though I don’t think the company relies too heavily on it yet, and the first link in this paragraph notes that Elon has been trying to renegotiate the AWS contract as well (which might mean he’s also stopped paying the bills as he seems to have done that with many vendors as part of his “renegotiation” efforts).
Separately, I’ve heard from three separate people that Elon more or less ordered the shutdown of the an entire data center (presumably the Sacramento one) with basically one day’s notice and no planning.
And, with that in mind, I’ll remind people that one part of former Twitter security chief Peiter “Mudge” Zatko’s whistleblower report noted that the company had a deep need for more redundancy, not less:
Insufficient data center redundancy, without a plan to cold-boot or recover from even minor overlapping data center failure, raising the risk of a brief outage to that of a catastrophic and existential risk for Twitter’s survival
That report also presented a redacted version of the “threat matrix” Mudge claims he wanted to show the Board, though was urged only to give a high level overview, orally, rather than present a more complete written report. It again notes that a data center failure could be catastrophic.

Later in the report, Mudge notes that this almost happened in the past:
Cascading data center problems: In or around the spring of 2021, Twitter’s primary data center began to experience problems from a runaway engineering process, requiring the company to move operations to other systems outside of this datacenter. But, the other systems could not handle these rapid changes and also began experiencing problems. Engineers flagged the catastrophic danger that all the data centers might go offline simultaneously. A couple months earlier in February, Mudge had flagged this precise risk to the Board because Twitter data centers were fragile, and Twitter lacked plans and processes to “cold boot.” That meant that if all the centers went offline simultaneously, even briefly, Twitter was unsure if they could bring the service back up. Downtime estimates ranged from weeks of round-the-clock work, to permanent irreparable failure.
“Black Swan” existential threat: In fact, in or about Spring of 2021, just such an event was underway, and shutdown looked imminent. Hundreds of engineers nervously watched the data centers struggle to stay running. The senior executive who supervised the Head of Engineering, aware that the incident was on the verge of taking Titer offine for weeks, months or permanently, insisted the Board of Directors be informed of an impending catastrophic “Black Swan” event. Board Member [REDACTED] responded with words to the effect of “Isn’t this exactly what Mudge warned us about?” Mudge told [REDACTED] that he was correct. In the end, Twitter engineers working around the clock were narrowly able to stabilize the problem before the whole platform shut down.
That’s not to say that this has anything to do with the outages last night, but at the very least there are strong arguments that Twitter’s infrastructure is inherently fragile, and shutting down “sensitive” server racks or closing down entire data centers without careful planning seems like the sort of thing that could, well, backfire pretty badly.
Meanwhile, the only comment so far from Musk appears (it’s tough to know because Twitter only loads intermittently) is him responding to someone saying “works for me” when they asked about site problems. Also, in context, Musk is replying to a joke about the site being down, rather than a legitimate concern (someone asks if anyone can see or respond to their tweet, and one of Musk’s biggest fans tweeted “I can’t see or respond to it” (obviously making light of the whole thing) and then Musk responds with “works for me.”

So it’s not entirely fair to say this is a comment directly about the widespread outages. Assuming Musk realizes Billy is joking, then… it could just be a weak attempt at playing along? But here’s the actual funny part. The Guardian has an article about Musk’s tweet saying stuff “works for me” except that stuff isn’t working, because the Twitter embed is not showing properly, but instead is showing in failover mode, where if the embed won’t load it just shows the alt-text in as “tweet-like” a form as possible. This screenshot is just pure irony.

I eagerly await the comments from folks who were insisting to me just yesterday that Twitter under Musk was functioning much better than before, and that this all proved he was right to get rid of approximately 75% of the workforce who obviously did nothing…
Oh and just as this post was being completed, Elon has a new story, claiming that Twitter was just rolling out “significant backend server architecture changes” and that “Twitter should feel much faster” (it doesn’t, unless you’re talking about the difference from not working at all… to kinda working some of the time?).

Even if that was the cause of the outage (and… I’m doubtful), that still raises all sorts of questions about how the company prepared for the switchover, if it caused such a massive disruption in the process. That’s… not how any of this should work.
Filed Under: datacenters, downtime, elon musk, fail whale, mudge
Companies: twitter

Comments on “It Took Just Four Days From Elon Gleefully Admitting He’d Unplugged A Server Rack For Twitter To Have A Major Outage”
'If only someone who knew what to do was here(so I could fire them)!'
Elon: Look at all these walls I’ve been smashing, they were clearly wasted space and unnecessary to the house!
Five minutes later
Elon: What do you mean they were load bearing?! This is everyone’s fault but mine!
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Well, the people still living in the house were warned that it was going to be extremely hardcore. Clawing and digging yourself out of the rubble would appear to match the description.
This train wreck may be pointless and stupid, but unannounced it isn’t and the warning lights are flashing for what it’s worth.
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“the warning lights are flashing for what it’s worth”
I saw something recently where someone was saying that they don’t know much about cars or rockets, so they believed it when people said Musk was a genius. But, when he started talking about software, which they do know things about, the sheer stupidity of what was going on made them immediately doubt what was claimed in the other sectors. Anecdotally, it seems a lot of people have been cancelling Tesla orders as a direct result of the Twitter actions. So, that seems about right, combined with the recent spikes in interest in competing platforms.
It’s long due for the “self-made billionaire genius” myth to be put to rest, since at best it’s usually a rich kid with seed money and connections happening to gather forward-thinking people at the right time for an industry to explode. In that sense, Musk is doing a fantastic job.
Re: Re: Re: Rich kid with seed money
I suspect the secret to being a rich kid with seed money is to get out of the way of the forward-thinking people who probably don’t mind sharing credit with their patrons.
But rich kids with seed money are not the most self-aware sorts, if history serves to inform.
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His first road the fame and money was in software. He was coding the internet when most in Silicon Valley didn’t know what the internet was. He started mamy companies in which he sold his software. He had all the major media print newspapers using his software for publishing on the internet versus newspapers and magazines. He then went on the create Paypal. So tired of the negative press right now just because he says he’s conservative and decided to buy Twitter to change the political press establishment. Twitter being down in a limited fashion due to software changes is not news, it happens to every software company at one time or another as they roll out changes.
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You don’t know your history very well it seems.
He started exactly 2 companies together with other people, the first bankrolled by his father. The first sold a online city-guide map-service, the other didn’t sell any software at all but was a money transfer service that was later merged into PayPal.
No, he didn’t. Paypal already existed and was created by Confinity. Musk’s company, X.com, was later merged into Confinity.
Does being a conservative these days mean being a bully, calling people for pedo’s, spreading COVID-19 misinformation, letting known assholes harass minorities with impunity, regularly praising China, forcing people to work through a pandemic, firing thousands of people without cause and acting like a know-it-all jackass while burning billions of dollar on the altar of stupidity?
Also, Twitter isn’t some “political press establishment” – it’s a social media site used by millions of people, and those millions of people doesn’t want to deal with assholes.
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Re: Re: Re:3
Cool. So wander over to Mastodon with the rest of the leftist crybabies and let him do what he wants to the company.
Re: Re: Re:4
Elon doesn’t care about you.
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Re: Re: Re:4 I agree
Bunch of woke dummycrats on here spewing misinformation they heard on web instead of checking facts for themselves.
Re: Re: Re:5
[Projects hallucinations not in evidence]
Re: Re: Re:5
Wow, you sure owned the libs with that one!
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“Does being a conservative these days mean being a bully, calling people for pedo’s, spreading COVID-19 misinformation, letting known assholes harass minorities with impunity, regularly praising China, forcing people to work through a pandemic, firing thousands of people without cause and acting like a know-it-all jackass while burning billions of dollar on the altar of stupidity?“
Yes.
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Re: Re: Re:4
You mean , like liberal Twitter has been doing for YEARS ?! … Perhaps you should sit this one out ? …
Re: Re: Re:5 Shout-out to Re:
“Hey, check it out, another Uncle Rico making calls from the bench!”
“Sit this one out,” he says. Not the foxhole with the digital soldiers, huh? Just buy the merch before Elon goes broke.
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[Projects hallucinations not in evidence]
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Re: Re: Re:3 Full of crap you are
There were quite a few of us who had to work through the pandemic. FedEx driver, Frontline. Wife works in hosp, also front line. So I don’t wanna hear complaints about having to work through pandemic.
I also don’t agree with white supremest, but then again I just don’t read there posts or just block them. I disagree with COVID vaccination, I should have the right to. oice my opinion. that is what they are.
Remember science changes. Eggs good for you, eggs bad for you, eggs good for you, so forth and so on. Nothing is sure even science which again is mostly theory. remember 64kb was all wee would ever need. bill gates said that. wrong!
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Science says you’ll eventually die. Care to wager on whether you can disagree with that?
You’re free to voice disagreements with science. But your certainty about your positions betrays your inability to grasp the scientific process. Science is about progress and the pursuit of knowledge; when science gets something wrong, that isn’t a weakness—it’s a sign of strength to acknowledge and learn from mistakes, then keep moving forward.
COVID-19 vaccines don’t absolutely prevent people from catching COVID-19. Masks don’t absolutely prevent the spread of COVID-19 (as well as other viral diseases). This much is true. But they help weaken the ability of the virus to spread; I’ll take doing something to achieve that result over doing nothing but hoping for the best.
You have my sympathies for having to work through the pandemic and put yourself at risk for contracting a disease that our leaders—then and now—don’t give a fuck about in re: mitigating its spread. But my sympathy has boundaries, and they end where science denial begins. Disagreeing with experts in the field doesn’t make you wrong. Expecting people to take you seriously compared to those experts does.
Blind skepticism can be as bad as blind trust. You may want to consider whether the people you choose to trust are only ever validating your biases. Sincerely questioning your beliefs and facing harsh truths can make you feel like shit—but you’ll be all the better for doing it.
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And how many people will you kill or leave with lasting problems by passing on a potentially deadly disease because you disagree with vaccination. Anti vaccination is a heart a selfish idea.
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Musk didn’t create Paypal
it was originally Confinity
it didn’t become the Paypal we know today until after it merged with Musk’s x.com
and Musk was never CEO of the company after it became Paypal
Elon Musk isnt a 4d-chess-playing god, he’s just some rich dude who got lucky
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Re: Re: Re:3 Elon
AND you have done what with your life? What contribution to mankind have you implemented?Small people want to tear down everyone else’s achievements. You’re a sad small person.
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Apparently what you do is jump onto small websites to embarrass yourself on behalf of rich celebrities who have no need or want for your apologism.
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“AND you have done what with your life? What contribution to mankind have you implemented?Small people want to tear down everyone else’s achievements”
Wait .. you think Elon did something other than simply purchasing several existing companies with the proceeds of his inheritance from an emerald mine?
What exactly do think Elon has accomplished? Please be specific and provide supporting data.
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Fact: Musk never completed university. He, apparently, was too busy playing games to even attend classes. If he did any programing, it was probably limited and he likely does not even understand HOW to program, let alone understand how to dissect even the simplest “Hello World” program.
Fact: Musk grew up in Apartheid South Africa and probably inherited a blood emerald mine that was his father’s. His mindset is likely stuck in that era and it’s likely he was ALWAYS “conservative” in some form.
Fact: The political press establishment has the “right-leaning” Fox News, which is owned by News Corp, whose current CEO and presumably owner is one Rupert Murdoch.
Opinion: If a shakeup is needed, it would involve the dismantling of News Corp on humanitarian grounds.
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Fact: the word ‘probably’ turns your facts into “facts”
Re: Re: Re:2 Thanks for signing up to make a stupid comment
“So tired of the negative press right now”
So tell ya boi to stop humiliating himself.
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“He was coding the internet”
Please tell me that’s an exaggeration and you don’t actually believe that.
“So tired of the negative press right now just because he says he’s conservative and decided to buy Twitter to change the political press establishment”
His political stance doesn’t matter, apart from his platforming myths like right-wingers being unfairly treated on Twitter.
“Twitter being down in a limited fashion due to software changes is not news”
Yes it is. It was news when Google, Amazon, or any other major company had outages. Twitter is just uniquely newsworthy in the sense that it’s clearly as a result of really dumb decisions by a single person.
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Well, people did try telling he was wrong, not only about the specific infrastructure used, but the very concepts he assumed they were working with. They were quickly fired. Which we know, because instead of having private conversations with them, he opted to have very public arguments with them on Twitter.
Another “stable genius” folks… At least from what I saw, the people who were fired were already being solicited for new positions before they got the pink slip.
I look forward to Matt’s comment about how Mike isn’t qualified to speak about Musk potentially causing outages on Twitter.
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Is Matt qualified to talk about Mike’s lack of credentials?
Re: Re:
I’m pretty confident that Matthew Bennett is qualified when it comes to a lack of credentials.
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I have several credentials but they don’t offer a degree in “telling people they’re wrong”. But what credentials do you think Masnick has, exactly?
Re: Re: Re:2 9th degree whiners belt
The only degree you got is being a little bitch.
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And yet, here you are.
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What does it matter what Elon does in the first place last time I checked he is his own man and can do what he wants money or no money on that but as for his companies have to ask are they yours nope didn’t think so so sounds like he can run his companies however he wants to it’s not up to you or anyone else to run them so just stop being a hater and master your own life instead of someone else’s. I’m sure if you think correctly if you have a family don’t forget he does to and he is only human and one with kids at that so how bout everyone just chill out step back and give the man credit where credit is due.
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So we are allowed to give credit but not critique? I’m sorry, but I don’t believe in personality cults and only idiots belong to one.
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he opened himself up to criticism when he made himself a public figure
if youre going to kiss his ass and protect him from people saying mean things about him, at least ask yourself why youre doing it
I mean, he’s not your friend
he’s not your lover
he’s not going to make you rich
and he’d probably kill you if he thpught it would make him richer
so why are you being a meat shield for someone you dont even know ?
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Conversely
He isn’t your enemy.
He isn’t taking food out of your mouth.
He isn’t going to make you poor.
Hyperbole….
So why reach behind yourself and throw dung? Then continue to take handfuls.
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Elion is one of the rich people. He is technically an enemy of the rest of us.
Technically true. But he just took food out of a lot of people’s mouths and is threatening to hurt even more people’s mouths directly, and that’s not going into him making Twitter a safe haven for white supremacists and other unsavory assholes…
Please do nto give Elon any more ideas on how to steal money from others.
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why do you think he should be free from criticism ?
why do you think nobody should have the right to call him names and criticise his dumb moves ?
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Contra Conversely
He’s not gonna let you suck it
…
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We are giving him credit where it’s due. Credit for his failures.
They say that Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Technically he played the Lyre someplace else while Rome burned.
Elon Musk is lighting things on fire while tweeting and playing non-premium spotify. (Using one of his Flamethrowers no less!)
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Historical facts suggest, however, that Nero was out in the fire brigades fighting the fires in Rome, unlike Musk who is running around with a torch in his hand gleefully celebrating while he burns the place down. I guess he could have lit up $1000 bills with a big stogie instead, but it wouldn’t have been showy enough for him as buying twitter and burning it down. Maybe this is his Free Speech Tirade example of the pithy “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” (in a virtual theater)?
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*too
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“Elon Musk is lighting things on fire while tweeting and playing non-premium spotify.”
Also, putting to bed the idea that a CEO is some kind of overworked genius. I know retail workers who have less time to shitpost on Twitter than he does, and he’s supposedly the irreplaceable driving force behind at least 4 companies now.
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There has to be a reason he carries around a bath sink basin around with him.
He’s LARPing.
Who would have thought the ‘tech guy’ they sidelined at Paypal because his ideas are crap would have no idea what he’s doing? I know people blame Grimes dumping him, but this whole thing feels like Elon’s retaliating for that decades old snub, sitting with his phone clutched in his hand, muttering to himself, ‘Call my ideas bad, will they? Tell me the things I want are dangerous and detrimental to the company?! Tell me I’m not qualified to judge code because I think more lines is better? I’ll show them! I’ll show them all!’
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‘Call my ideas bad, will they? Tell me the things I want are dangerous and detrimental to the company?! Tell me I’m not qualified to judge code because I think more lines is better? I’ll show them! I’ll show them all!’
‘Specifically I’ll show them that the were absolutely right to say and think all of that!’
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“I know people blame Grimes dumping him”
That seems to be behind some of his recent instability, but it’s still his reaction that’s the problem, not her decision to dup him. In fact, his actions suggest that she made the correct decision.
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Not sure how the whole “Musk’s current mental collapse was inspired by Grimes dumping him” meme started, but he was cheating on Grimes (possibly with her knowledge) while they were still together. He even impregnated another woman while Grimes was pregnant. Grimes and him seem to still have a good relationship, by most accounts, and she’s even adopted many of his weirdo, right wing, technocratic, utopian ideas, much to her detriment.
Honestly, I used to be a huge Grimes fan, but she just annoys me now.
Fuck Matthew, the dumb fuck. Keep posting, Mike.
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Thanks man, I think you’re a dumb fuck too. Probably kinda driven by ideology, apparently.
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As always, Matthew is unable to describe anyone but himself.
Let’s be clear Musk is 100% at fault, that is the CEO job. Furthermore he fired a ton of people and micromanages/rules tyranically at Twitter, firing anyone that opposed any his idiotic actions.
Him claiming that Twitter is rolling out substantial back end hardware… has zero credibility, none, nada, etc.
If it were true someone would have announced a planned outage with a timeline for restoration of service. Him saying that during an unexpected outage is as people say on the internet very SUS…
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It’d at least have a chance of credibility if he produced/published the billing statements for the hardware he “purchased”; or in the alternative, for the AWS contract going into effect.
I'd not even be surprised if it weren't a technical consequence
“I am not doing overtime cleaning up after that lunatic, let him get what is coming.” seems like a natural reaction to such antics. Musk is sabotaging worker morale probably even more than operating hardware. The difference is that you cannot switch the morale back on.
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With Elon’s idea of a working hours imposed on those that have stayed, the number of hours in a day needs to increase before anybody can work overtime.
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IOW, the floggings will continue until morale improves.
The outage is Just Elon’s way of boosting Mastodon sign ups.
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Mike cannot stop writing about Musk because Musk is a troll and Mike takes the bait. I love what’s happening to Twitter. Let it burn.
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To be fair, Elon did start the fire by expressing interest in buying Twitter…
I’m also watching by the sidelines too. Watching an uneducated rube destroy a once important social network via dismantling everything just to see what makes it tick (or not).
To some, it’s hilarity. To others, it’s something to learn from.
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Like has been said before, this will become a business school case study in how to lose the equivalent of a small country’s GDP without breaking a sweat.
But more to the point, I fear that Twitter’s self-immolation will lead to a panic on Wall St, as those self-righteous asshats finally learn what it means to place QoQ (quarter over quarter) above all else. All it took was one Trump-wannabe, and POOF!, it’s all gone.
To my mind, if these “analyists” (and I laugh at that term) were so good, they should’ve seen this coming, and should’ve warned their customers (very big time investors) to get the hell out of Twitter NOW!
My prediction, based strictly on personal feelings, is that Tesla, SpaceX and The Boring Company will soon be targeted with “Do Not Buy” advice, but a little too late to do any good. Index funds are in for a rough ride over the next several months, as they bounce up and down from whatever Musk does next, good or bad.
Aw, who am I kidding? Musk doesn’t do ‘good’, at least not willingly and with forethought. For him, anything that results in good is an accident, and must be punished by firing all those available and within range of his rage.
Fanbois, bring it on. But be aware, I won’t engage in a battle of wits with anyone who is only half-armed.
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There are no other shareholders in Twitter, he bought it. He does have creditors tho’…
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Not correct.
There are definitely other share holders of Twitter (think the Saudis) but Twitter is no long a public company where anybody can buy shares.
If you want to own shares of Twitter, you would have to approach Elmo himself and ask.
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There’s a difference between shareholder and investor. Elon is the sole shareholder, but he still has to deal with the people who invested in the company.
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The point still stands. A private company absolutely can have shares of stocks that represent ownership in a company. Just because those share are not for sale on the “public” stock exchange doesn’t mean a company has shares of stock.
AFAIK, the Saudi investors who owned shares of Twitter 1.0 still own their shares of Twitter.
An investor may not directly own shares of the business in which they are investing, but that does not discount the fact that one can own shares in a private business that are not available on a public stock exchange.
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This is… not quite true. The investors are very much shareholders/equityholders. But they hold a relatively small portion of the equity, so that Musk is in full control over the company.
As to the earlier point, as a private company Musk does not have to worry about quarterly numbers, and while he will need to deliver some financial reporting to the small group of remaining shareholders, there’s not much they can do about anything.
Re: Re: Re:5 Absolute crap
If it was up to me twitty bird ..would be in the oven roasting..would be a thing of the past..I would pull the plug .literally, no electricity..see how your server works in a billion pieces..
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They didn’t need to, as they has already sold out to Elon, and for a handsome price at that.
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barron’s already said don’t buy tesla, just the other day. i think it was “five stocks not to buy.” something like that.
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Tesla stock is currently 121.82. It was 399.93 at the beginning of the year. There’s a fair argument that part of the drop is market correction because it was overvalued, especially in the face of increased competition. But, I think there’s little doubt that Musk’s actions relating to Twitter, including his selling off a bunch of his own stock, has led to it plummeting.
I can’t imagine why any investor would buy now, unless they think that Musk will be removed and they want to buy the dip. But, I think the company’s problems go beyond him even if he resigns, which I think is unlikely given his ego problems.
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Even if mMusk was magically removed from the company and twitter was left to try and fix what he broke, twitter would still never regain its former glory. Too many people have moved onto other jobs or switched social media that getting them back to working or using twitter isn’t going to be successful.
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And the extra billions in debt Musk loaded twitter with.
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If you project enough to pretend Musk is some kinda cartoon villain, actively trying to make your life worse, you probably don’t have a good grasp of Musk but also just life in general.
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We don’t have to project dude.
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Frankly Musk is way too incompetent to be a villain.
I don’t think he’s a villain, I just think that — as I said from the very beginning — he has no clue what goes into running a successful social media company, which is about managing people/community, not physical things. And I warned that he’d fuck it up, and he’s done exactly that.
He’s not evil. He’s not a villain. He’s just incompetent, but has had such success from his other companies, and seems so personally vindictive/allergic to any kind of criticism, that he’s now surrounded himself with suckups, and has no one to tell him when he’s making a mistake.
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You are actually dumb to think that.
First of all (and I’m taking the last point first), “personally vindictive/allergic to any kind of criticism”– That’s just learned behavior. Anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders takes that pose cuz it’s the only way to deal with you SJW dipshits (colloquially referred to as “cancel culture”). If you ever apologize (which a couple decades ago was just the norm even when you didn’t think you were wrong) they smell blood and just double down. You literally have to tell them how they’re wrong and to fuck off, that’s the only POSSIBLE response. Anything else the mob just feeds off. Does that sound like Trump? Congrats, you made an environment where Trump is the natural apex predator, cuz he was never going to apologize anyway. Musk doesn’t actually strike me as that fragile an ego, I don’t think he much cares about how you think he runs his business, but as a matter of SM management the only method that works is to be belligerent af, at least for anyone Jezebelle (as a metric) doesn’t support. TO his credit Musk is usually pretty funny about it, master shit poster.
Secondly, again, your hatred of him says so much more about you than it does him. No, the richest man in the world is not incompetent. It’s actually dumb to suggest that. In 90’s speak– get a life.
Thirdly, and this is something that really annoys me about your “analysis” in general, you make it sound like Musk wanted to run a social media company. He very clearly did not — he wanted the rampant ideological and government controlled censorship to stop. That’s it. If he can save twitter and have a true “town square” work, great, but his immediate and primary motivation was that Babylon Bee should not be banned for calling a man a man. You seem INTENT on saying he’s not good at running a SM company…which honestly depends upon how you define “success” but at the very least assholes like Gadde don’t get to decide who gets to speak any more.
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“(H)is immediate and primary motivation was that Babylon Bee should not be banned for calling a man a man”
They were banned for calling a woman a man, though.
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Sir this is an Arbys.
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Your analysis of What Elon wants indicates that you are O.K. with a social media site where aggressive transphobes, homophobes, misogamists and racists etc, run rampant, and everybody else looks for a place where there are not allowed to spout their bile.
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And 4chan is right there, looking hurt that you’ve abandoned it
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Damn, your divorce from reality must have been a real messy one.
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Elons still not gonna let you suck it.
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that was a dumb comment the first time, it’s super dumb the 327th time.
Re: Re: Re:4 You can put down the chapstick bro
It’s no less true the 327th time. Don’t like it, don’t wear knee pads and a bib.
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I’d rather refuse Adlai Malthus’s batchall than pretend that Musk has the chops to be a cartoon villain.
Not enough pomp and scenery chewing, for one. Lack of planning or crisis management as well. Musk does not even have the prerequisite Snidely Whiplash mustache.
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People holding twitter stock should have done quite well, since Musk paid well over market price.
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It never fails, there’s always someone coming up with an excuse for why Musk isn’t an idiot and/or that people should stop writing about what an idiot he is in response to these articles…
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Musk is pretty bad at trolling. His $ per lib triggered ratio is off the charts.
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“Mike cannot stop writing about Musk because Musk is a troll and Mike takes the bait”
Musk is the CEO of several multi-billion companies, and he’s making decisions that stand to tank the employment of thousands of employees across several major companies, as well as destroy confidence in the sectors in which those companies reside.
If you’re so immature that you don’t think of the real world consequences to his trolling for the lulz, that’s not the fault of people informing the world of what he’s doing.
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Imagine thinking you know more about running billion dollar companies than the richest guy in the world who has done it for a couple decades now.
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I don’t need to be a mechanic to know something’s wrong with my car if the check engine light comes on. Talking about the impacts of bad leadership in no way implies that the one doing the talking knows more about leadership, it’s stating facts. If you had any facts to show how good of a job Musk was doing running Twitter in the first place, you’d lead with those but it’s clear your claims are factless and emotionally based.
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He’s no longer the richest guy in the world. And by the end of the year he might let you suck it for a couple bucks.
Data centers
I’ve built and ran data centers. There’s the resume.
I’ve known morons and Dunning-Krugerites. Mr. Musk is one.
The last time I took one little server rack offline was the result of 90 days planning, two fallback strategies, and three people monitoring so that ANY of us could say “Whoa! This is not working right.”
The last major migration involved UPSs, servers, networks, and services being used throughout this country (LiveATC, ADSBexchange, and others I can’t mention.) Total downtime was under 3 seconds and we called that a failure in post.
To be so stupid as to think that you can just take down a server rack… oh never mind, Dunning-Kruger…
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“I’ve known morons and Dunning-Krugerites. Mr. Musk is one.”
Also, a narcissistic bully. A real leader would employ the people best suited for the job, let them do their job, and intervene only when necessary, which usually means mediating between the needs of the people doing the work and the investors who demand profits. There’s nothing worse than a micromanaging asshole who doesn’t want to understand why his ideas are shit, will bully people into doing what he wants anyway and fire people/take credit for the outcome, depending on which way it goes.
“To be so stupid as to think that you can just take down a server rack”
Taking down a server rack is fine. To do so without understanding what’s running on that rack or where the redundancy is in place, however…
A rebuttal to the inevitable defense
Muskrats will, over time, migrate to the explination that Musk had to take down servers to implement backend changes. Since that is sometimes true, with maintenance and patch day downtime woes being the bane of any online gamer.
The issue is that those downtimes are planned. Users are notified. Emergency maintenance? 5 minute warning to save and get out. If the changes were so necessary that they had to take everything down immediately, that is a failure state. Particularly if you are trying to convince everyone Twitter is stable.
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Oh, i’m sure there will be some different story. Multiple stories. “Outside forces”.
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Well then
When comment section shitflinging starts showing up in the articles themselves, it’s a pretty clear sign Mike needs a break. Or better people in the comments.
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If Musk stans don’t want to be embarrassed or agitated they could always… just not show up on websites they openly hate.
It’s like a vegetarian visiting a steak bar and getting angry that meat’s getting served.
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More like a cow visiting a steak bar and getting angry that they are being butchered.
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You’re always free to provide factual rebuttals to claims made here, especially welcomed if they’re backed with evidence.
Those seem to be lacking for some reason.
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I’m not sure how rebuttals factor into this. All I was trying to say was, in this article Mike mentioned the nonsense that happens in the comments section of this kinds of articles. It’s in the third last paragraph, in case you missed it. I do not remember him putting such callouts in the articles themselves before. And that I find this worrying, because to me this reads like the constant shitposting is getting under his skin. Then I presented a possible solution – that is, taking a break. Lastly I tried to make a joke about the current state of the comments section, which apparently fell flat and the post is flagged now.
How we get from that to factual rebuttals please is a mystery to me. I did not present disagreements with anything in the article. My opinion of “he seems upset and probably should find a way to calm down” is my opinion, not a quantifiable fact, and is based on the article itself and the comments sections of certain previous articles. I could have been clearer in expressing it, but instead I went with brevity in an attempt to seem wittier than I actually am, which backfired. For that, I apologize.
This leaves the part about the quality of the comments section. Checking the comments of any Twitter related article should be enough to show you that there are things one could reasonably get upset about in there.
That’s my intent spelled out best I can. If that’s not what you got from my initial post, then the problem is probably on my end. Any suggestions on how I could have handled this better would be appreciated.
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Nope, he makes callouts, as you descibe them, occasionally. Also posts in the comment section.
He has always been surprisingly level and cool, even when inspired to tell someone to fuck off.
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“I do not remember him putting such callouts in the articles themselves before”
That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
“I could have been clearer in expressing it, but instead I went with brevity in an attempt to seem wittier than I actually am, which backfired. For that, I apologize.”
No problem.
“This leaves the part about the quality of the comments section. Checking the comments of any Twitter related article should be enough to show you that there are things one could reasonably get upset about in there.”
There’s a number of regular posters who seem to have zero problem being complete idiots, and on most sites covering these stories Musk in particular has a lot of fanboys willing to lie and abuse to deflect criticism.
The fact is, the comments here allow anonymous shitposters to say their piece, and that’s not going to change because for various reasons stated before, that’s how TD prefer to do things as it allows other more honest discourse at the same time. The quality of the Musk defenders isn’t going to improve, and it’s unlikely that the idiots are going to be banned. I’d suggest skipping over these threads, or not viewing hidden comments, if you don’t want to see that stuff.
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So my original post had a factual error in it, and the last part could have been reasonably interpreted as a call to change how TD functions. I can see why it got flagged now.
Thank you for taking the time to reply in detail.
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Thank you for understanding why you got flagged and not being a troll and/or whiny about it. I really appreciate it! 🙂
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“shitposting taking it’s toll”
Good, tho for the record I’m not shitposting, I’m telling him how he’s a fucking idiot regarding Musk and Twitter and should lay off the topic.
Masnick “taking a break” (preferably) is the actual, literally expressed goal. Really couldn’t be more clear on this.
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What you’re actually doing is continuing to be a public embarrassment bro. I’m not shitposting I’m just telling you you’re a worthless human being.
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Ooooooh! I hate you Masnick! How dare you make fun of Elon again! Ooooooooh!
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Somehow, I think this is not the real Matthew Bennett but someone pretending to be him; it’s just too on-the-nose…
I’ll vote funny and not flag it for trolling.
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It actually was not me.
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No shit Sherlock.
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It was obvoously too honest and coherent to possibly have been the real you.
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When I was at Google, the company regularly ran tests where a data center was knocked out (often with an amusing story provided, like having been attacked by a UFO) in order to test the ability of redundant systems to take over. Programs running at Google are expected to be able to deal with random crashses, because with that many computers, hardware fails with some frequency. So “unplugging a server rack” is not an unreasonable thing to do per se for such a large platform.
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I was wondering when you’d show up with your account again, Hyman. You’re still not welcome here.
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Whether I log in is somewhat arbitrary, skewed by whether I mind that a specific post will be stuck in the moderation queue for hours or days. My writing style seems to render me recognizable even when I don’t log in, so it doesn’t really matter.
I don’t care that woke ideologues don’t welcome me. Unsurprisingly, wrong people don’t welcome being told they’re wrong.
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We do care that “woke ideologues” provides Trans Youth with the resources that they need.
Thanks bro.
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That the readers here flagged this comment, which seems perfectly straight forward and legitmate, really shows how biased and close minded your readership is Masnick
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Cry moar bro
How long?
How long until Twitter goes down and takes so long to come back up that nobody cares by then? Or will it go bankrupt and shut down before then?
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How long has it been since Oct 27?
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There’s a transitional phase at the moment, where the natural network effects mean that while people are looking for alternatives, they’re not going there immediately because a) none offer an easy one click solution to moving and b) while a lot of people have already fled, many popular accounts are still in the evaluation phase. As soon as there’s popular consensus as to the right alternative and top tier tweeters start moving there, it’s toast.
If twitter has taught me nothing else, it has taught me that Musk became rich mostly from a long series of lucky breaks and good timing–little to do with any talent on his part.
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Besides being basically impossible you would have to be really biased and really not paying attention to think that.
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Musk has talents. He’s a narcissistic bully who takes credit for ideas other people had, and that’s apparently an advantage in the corporate world. Plus, people are willing to put up with that when the corporate mission is to change the world or explore other ones.
That’s why we’re seeing so many stories about him with Twitter. Faced with something where he can’t depend on money, bullying or ego to get results, he’s a hilarious failure. It’s backfiring so badly, that he’s tanking the value of other companies he’s associated with.
Feel free to provide context the rest of us are missing, but the evidence doesn’t suggest that the comments here are wrong.
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To be fair, you’d need some sort of ability to be able to shut off your empathy like a normal person.
It’s not something that should be encouraged, but in the contexts of the corporate world that prizes ruthlessness, efficiency, and growth at all costs, far too many people are willing to close one eye and permit sociopaths to run amok in our financial and business systems like it’s their personal playground.
Saying that Musk has talent is like saying that a con artist has talent. Technically true, but you don’t want or need more Musks in the world.
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” you’d need some sort of ability to be able to shut off your empathy like a normal person ”
all corporate executives are sociopaths to some degree
some are just worse than others
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“To be fair, you’d need some sort of ability to be able to shut off your empathy like a normal person.”
That’s a matter of opinion, I think. I’ve worked for successful companies where the CEO was capable of such things that have been very successful. When my current employer experienced a long period of profitability last year, they reacted by giving everyone an extra week off. Results and hard work are expected, and unfortunately that bonus wasn’t repeated this year as market conditions squeezed the margins significantly (though we have good signs that it’s possible in 2023 as those have improved a lot recently), so it’s not like laziness or non-productivity are encouraged by that. In fact, I’d say most people naturally work harder if they know they can benefit. Musk’s main advantage is that he ran companies with missions that allowed people to put up with his crap despite their natural instinct to not put up with it. That’s part of the reason he’s experiencing so many immediate problems with Twitter – people might put up with that stuff when they’re trying to revolutionise travel or space exploration, but not when they’re being asked to make Andrew Tate’s life easier.
“Saying that Musk has talent is like saying that a con artist has talent. Technically true, but you don’t want or need more Musks in the world.”
The problem isn’t so much the Musks of the world, so much as it is how the short-sighted markets reward people like him for short-term gains. There will always be people like him, we just need to work out a way to stop rewarding them.
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We might actually get to that point. 2022 was very sobering for people throwing money at Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.
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Yeah, a couple of years ago I’d say that would never happen, but with those two, Musk’s meltdown, many companies making record profits during the pandemic while refusing to pay employees even an inflationary pay rise, strikes all over the place… maybe it’s possible.
At the very least, if Musk can be CEO of several companies, but spend most of his time trolling on Twitter while losing money for multiple companies, the idea that the CEO maybe doesn’t deserve increased multiples of the base employee pay should be up for discussion.
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Janitors should be paid more than anyone. After all, nobody will care if a CEO misses work for a week, but everyone will care if a janitor misses work for a week.
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“You helped make… twitter”
Not even that. SpaceX and Tesla employees can at least have built something from the ground up under Musk (well, if you ignore the fact he didn’t exactly found Tesla), the best Twitter employees can say is that they didn’t allow him to destroy the mature product that was already there…
I manage an ERP with a loose cannon of an IT Director.
He’s on a whim made security changes that affected my ability to access the database, during a product implementation nonetheless. He’s gone in front of management and promised ERP changes, that he has no authority to do (at least Elon has the authority to wreck the place).
Now he’s decided to change the organizations domain name plus countless other changes and doesn’t get why I’m freaking out about the ERP even working after all of this. And I have an ERP upgrade inbound while he’s doing this shit, all the fucking time.
Operational change simply can’t happen on a dime. We aren’t a huge org, 500 people, but we’re big enough that you don’t willy-nilly change.
You’d think Elon, after building cars in a parking lot and silly puttying them together would get that but then he’s never faced any repercussions for, ANY OF IT, NOTHING AT ALL!!!!
Hell, even losing $44B, or whatever it was, is really kind of nothing. He could sell a billion of stock, walk away, and still nothing would even matter to him. What a world.
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You should definitely stop talking about Musk and Twitter
This is actually the most legitimate article you’ve written on the subject for a while (not saying much) but it ammounts to journalists couldn’t gossip for a few minutes, who cares?
If twitter was heavily reliant on AWS they could get Parlized. At the same time Old Twitter was super wasteful and costs need to be trimmed. It’s not critical infrastructure or banking. Heck, I think gmail has been down a couple times in the last year for streches of a few hours each.
You’re still kinda overhyping any negative.
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” You should definitely stop talking about Musk and Twitter ”
or else what
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DAFUQ? It wasn’t a threat, it was an insult.
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That’s all you can do, apparently.
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And piss poor insults at that.
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Right, this coming from the guy who demanded in no uncertain terms that a site owner delete his site because his hero wasn’t being cocksucked deeply enough.
No one believes your threats aren’t threats, boyo. If it wasn’t for small independent websites being around for you to shit on you’d have caused a mini-insurrection long ago.
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Fact: In order to get Parlized, you’d need to basically not listen to AWS. That was what Parler did. And AWS, being a business and thus would prefer to not associate with criminal or suspected terrorist elements, told Parler to get some moderation up or get bent. Parler did not get moderation up until AFTER AWS shut off their access. AWS still, IIRC, helped with the data transfer to Parler’s new and totally not funded by Putin service providers.
Fact: Twitter was not as wasteful as one might think. Breaking even is not considered wasteful… unless you’re whining about how old Twitter kept kicking you off their service.
Fact: While Twitter is not critical to any country’s or corp’s operations, it’s rare for any internet service to be down for anything longer than either the stated timings.
Fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_services_outages
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Parlized
Is that when they add the onion soup mix to fries?
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“You should definitely stop talking about Musk and Twitter”
Here’s the standard deal – Musk stops doing insanely stupid shit that jeopardises not only the company he bought and its employees, but the other companies he’s CEO of in the process, the rest of us will stop talking about him.
If people talk about the stupid shit he does every day, the problem is not that people are talking about what he did. It’s that he keeps doing it.
But, hey, thanks for doing your part to increase the traffic and attention to articles here by reading and commenting on them.
“If twitter was heavily reliant on AWS they could get Parlized”
Hmmm… you seem to be referring to the site that’s very much still active, despite the fact that AWS decided to kick them off for a combination of non-payment of bills and helping an attempt to block the democratic processes of the US. They did have downtime, but that seems to be mainly due to the fact that they didn’t have a disaster recovery procedure in place, which is a problem with competence of their staff, not AWS’s decision not to do business with a toxic client who were in debt.
“At the same time Old Twitter was super wasteful and costs need to be trimmed”
According to the idiot who didn’t get a full picture as to how the company was architected before he started to fire key staff, yes.
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Elon again?? Stop talking about him
Please for the love of God stop talking about him. This isn’t even news. Geez
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What kind of magical browser plug-in do you have that forced you to read this article and then comment on it?
Maybe you should practice some self-control and don’t read the articles you don’t want to read.
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It’s not a plug-in, TD employs magical coding that they’ve been testing out on users for a number of years now that forces people to read articles they don’t want to, though it doesn’t seem to impact everyone so I can only assume they’re still working on the bugs and fine-tuning it either to get more people or more accurately ‘aim’ it.
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That’s it.
Mike is a DRUID.
Re: Re: Re:2 He weighs the same as a really big duck!
He’s a WITCH!
Re: Re: Re:2 Funny.
He doesn’t look Druish.
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He never said he was Druish. He said he was Dru-ish.
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c’mon now, jokes like that are what killed my mother in the 9/11 attacks five years ago
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Still some bugs to work out… But we’ve hired this new coder named… [checks notes] Elton Tusk? He promises to go hardcore.
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News (n) Definition 1(b) from Meriam Webster:
previously unknown information
I was unaware that twitter had an outage due to my work schedule, and was unaware Musk had taken down a sensitive Server rack 4 days ago. It is, by definition, news.
You may have meant newsworthy, but that is inherently a subjective assessment.
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It is news, by various different criteria. However, nobody’s forcing you to read the headline, click though to the article, comment and generated increased traffic and interest in the story.
I’ve never really got this mindset. If I read a headline of a story that doesn’t interest me, I keep scrolling, I don’t whine about the story in the comments.
You have my sympathy Mike, but what can you do?
He’s like TFG, the stupid gift that keeps on giving.
On the positive side (for a given quantity of positive), you’ll never lack for something to write about for the foreseeable future. Possibly much longer.
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That assumes that Twitter does not become an object lesson in now not to build a system that cannot recover from a major incident.
Do you know Mike Masnick's work well enough?
The ultimate hubris is to think you can judge Mike’s work and the legitimatcy of it.
I love to criticize like the next person but I don’t presume to judge how “legitimate” [sic] an article is. Perhaps there’s some criterion there only accessible for the mentally addled, but certainly it doesn’t apply to TechDirt’s writers.
Really I’m just going to climb back down off the soapbox. Authors everywhere share their writing, and whether you agree with them or not, their “legitimacy” isn’t generally in question.
It’s the new year season. My hat’s off to all the people at TD, Ars, etc. who take the time to write about what they think is important… and the organizations what fund their ability to do so.
Try being a freelance writer/editor and see how “legitimate” a-hole judge-wannabes call you.
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btw Mike was spot on, and he doesn’t need me to say that. He doesn’t need you saying he’s legitimate. Buckle up, kid.
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I hate to give the devil their due (or the troll their toll, rather), but Matthew Bennett did spell “legitimate” right and didn’t deserve the “[sic]” following the word.
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I thought it was “legitimatcy”.
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How am I supposed to buckle up? I read Techdirt for like a decade, and then stopped as Masnick took a more leftward turn (frankly several of the other writers he hired were much worse).
I was LITERALLY drawn back to the site after hearing an absolutely jaw-droppingly stupid quote of Masnick about Twitter (Gadde, I think, who is evil)
Anyway I feel perfectly qualified to judge him and really don’t care what you think about it.
Consider this a model of something much larger and more dangerous
The situation in which there is no plan to cold-boot, and all planning is focussed on maintaining operations suggests an interesting metaphor. Imagine Twitter as an aircraft that started barely able to take off, and then added to over time to make it fly better. It becomes so heavy and ungainly that it would no longer be possible to take off if it were ever to land or crash.
The same model can apply to the global economy. Locally independent operations across the world slowly became interdependent for the creation of their products or services, as well as for their sale and distribution. All planning is focussed on keeping the economy in motion, because if it were to crash, there’s no plan to cold-boot it either.
There are systems in place to prop up economies, to manipulate the ongoing trade in securities, but none for recovering from catastrophic failure.
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Support your local blacksmith.
I personally am skeptical enough of Musk that I don’t even buy that he actually ‘unplugged’ anything. It strikes me as exactly the kind of playing-into-priors troll manouver that’s been popular for ages, where you say something stupid and laugh at the people who believed you.
Musk tweets should be treated with, at least, the same level of skepticism one would direct at a police press release.
I doubt Elon knows how to unplug a rack of equipment.
In the real world, such an act would probably result in loss of job.
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It doesn’t take any technical knowledge to start pulling cords and if you’re the sort of person who firmly believes that you are always the smartest person in the room it takes even less effort to ignore the people trying to tell you that whatever you’re trying to do you’re doing it wrong, so him being stupid enough to unplug something that he shouldn’t have seems entirely possible.
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He doesn’t know how to do that perhaps, but he does know how to bully an employee who has barely made it through all the firings and perhaps needs to keep the job for their work visa into doing something against their best instincts. Then fire that employee if things go wrong (or take credit for his great genius if nothing does).
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Oh, it will. Hundreds of them.
All “the cloud” means is “someone else’s data center,” and like any other data center, cloud ones hardly have a sterling reputation for never crashing.
The only real difference is, when you’re on your own data center rather than sharing one with thousands of other customers, it limits the damage when something goes wrong. Remember a few years back when what should have been a minor AWS glitch took down something like 1/3 of the Web? Here, something went wrong at Twitter, and all it took down was Twitter.
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“like any other data center, cloud ones hardly have a sterling reputation for never crashing”
I’ve experienced very little downtime with cloud providers, and the company I worked for just announced 1 billion Euro revenue for the first time in its history. In fact, the biggest downtimes we’ve had this year were related to colocated equipment.
It’s not a problem if you do it right and the risk of it being on someone else’s physical property is easily mitigated by the savings from not having to run your own datacentres, being able to control infrastructure as code, etc.
“Remember a few years back when what should have been a minor AWS glitch took down something like 1/3 of the Web?”
That was ultimately bad implementation, from my understanding. IIRC, the problem was that the us-east-1 region went down, and since that’s the default a lot of people who just chose that and didn’t plan effective redundancy had problems. In the moment, it’s a major problem for AWS clients who don’t have any option to fix things other than wait for Amazon to fix it, and any such outage is way more noticeable than a single company having an outage. But, I don’t think it invalidates that actual concept of cloud usage, it just highlights the fact that you need to have a real disaster plan when something goes wrong (which is often denied by miserly beancounters who prefer to gamble instead of paying for insurance, but that’s also a major problem with self-hosted solutions).
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No, the Cloud means “that part of the diagram we didn’t bother to define.” It CAN include someone else’s data center OR a data center OR my grandmother’s pantry with a server rack in it. It’s a cloud. Undefined. Puffy with fluffy edges. Get used to it.
I don’t remember things that never happened. Like 1/3 of which even. The web. (is that a thing?) Seriously, lay off off the juice.
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Actually, it happened. I presume he’s referring to this:
https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/12/aws-outage-postmortem/
But, most companies aren’t going to have their own dedicated datacentre, they’d have had colocated or shared servers in someone else’s datacentre before “cloud” was an option, so it’s a fairly weak argument. The main issues were the sheer number of people who picked the default AWS region and how that made the outage so noticeable, which in itself serves mainly to highlight how rare such an outage is.
I happen to read the comments from an earlier article rich with comments from the Elon Fan boys declaring how much better things worked. I figured that they were not likely to be honest, and declined to engage because of that expectation.
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Editing
Less time chastising, more time editing your own work for spelling errors…
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Found the spelling Nazi!
Twitter continues to run out of
money?
___________ goes down (hard or soft)
advertising?
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Fake News
I don’t believe anything this biased “journalist” days.
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You maybe wanna do a second draft of that post there, champ?
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Thanks
Thanks to articles and comments from leftoids, I’ve decided to join Twitter and buy tesla. With opinions so partisan and barometrically wrong the winning side is always the opposite of whatever these clowns eschew.
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Being “barometrically wrong” would seem to be more a fault in weather forecasting than tech reporting.
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I’d like to know where to get Twitter stock too.
I sure would NOT want to buy from Elon.
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You could just save yourself some time and set your cash on fire.
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Imagine being the crybaby who writes extensive articles on a useless social media platform going down and slandering the person trying to save it from extinction by making tough yet controversial business decisions. Well we can’t all be CEO’S that’s for sure, our ability to lead isn’t that widespread unfortunately.
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First of all, you’re confusing libel with slander and it’s best to just use “defamation” as an umbrella term.
Second of all, it’s true, we can’t all be born rich like CEOs.
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Fuck off, spambot.
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Isn’t it ironic?
Dude. People posting on Twitter and getting responses is certainly proof is working. Was the irony lost on you?
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Meh
The shitlib meltdown is entertaining. I can deal with outages if that is the price of admission.
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You’re free to have low standards for your social media sites. It doesn’t mean the rest of us have to have them as well.
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I do wonder what kind of person think a worse and free service is better than just a free one.
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Conversely
He isn’t your enemy.
He isn’t taking food out of your mouth.
He isn’t going to make you poor.
Hyperbole….
So why reach behind yourself and throw dung? And continue to take handfuls.
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Echo, Echo, Echo
It’s sometimes hard to hear the bull crap when it’s so echoey in here. You guys were loving this guy 2 years ago until he decided to expose all your hypocrisy and crap and manipulation of elections you love to blame on evil Russians and orange people, you racists.
This article is pedestrian at best, kind of similar to a high school newspaper writing a hit peace on the other popular kids, and everyone going around piling on. Pathetic. Please get out of this echo chamber and write some decent articles that actually have to do with the substantive nature of tech.
Have a good day.
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Citation needed
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To be fair, I did defend Elon a coupla years ago on this very site. But you know what, I was wrong to do so, I didn’t have all the facts and now he’s shown himself to be a complete dick.
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You say the rest of us follow the facts unlike you as though that’s supposed to make us look bad.
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Musk twitter
This story is just hogwash. What Elon Musk is doing is absolutely FANTASTIC. The world will benefit.
What’s wrong with wanting to have truthfully unbiased media? The only ones complaining are those who are narrow-minded kool-aid drinkers.
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… said no cranially functional human being, ever.
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People act like they’ve never seen the fail whale before, and it shows.
Musk has lost touch of the Big Picture is drowning in Baby Tears.
Geniuses have cracks but he’s got a Canyon.
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Elon
Leave him alone! I’m old and poor ,he’s a shinning star . Good heart and he really cares about others. Most of you heartless old rich only wish you had his brains and his money!!! You Go Elon. I only hope he can put Twitter back together again … Kinda like Humpty Dumpty . You have to be old to remember that .
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We have reached the LEAVE ELON ALONE!!!!!!! stage of the fanboi meltdown I see.
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this is sad even by Elon fanboi standards
holy fuck, get a life
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I am very sure him inheriting his father’s blood emerald mine makes him old money. Just like the Kochs. And the Murdochs.
Just because he made most of his money being lucky on tech and forcing people to work for his uneducated dreams doesn’t mean he’s not old money.
I could be wrong, though. That mine existed in the 70s…
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Just another author who has Elon living in his head rent free
Rage bait. Unfortunately you got my click.
It’s okay. We get it. You’ve been told who to hate. Dance for the master and write those butthurt articles.
Watch the movie Green Street with Elijah Wood and Charlie Hunnam. I fully understand why they hated journalists so much. Their depiction of them is spot on.
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Didn’t just get your click. Got you to create an account and a comment. Pretty impressive for someone who claims not to care.
Anyway, if you’re so mad about this article and saying that I’ve been “told who to hate” I’m sure you can point to something factually wrong? Or you could search through my history of articles about Elon and Twitter and see where I “hate” him even though I’ve written multiple articles explaining why I hope he succeeds at Twitter and suggesting some ways he could?
But, nope. Instead, you jump to stupid conclusions and insist you know that I “hate” him because I’ve “been told” to.
Maybe don’t make assumptions.
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Fact?
Anonymous coward, do you know what “Fact” is bro? To label something a “Fact” and use the words “Likely” and “Probably” is pretty ridiculous. Maybe you could post a pic of that blood diamond he factually inherited from his likely diamond mine owning father. Maybe show us the proof you have of what’s in his mind that you know to be factual.
You never addressed the actual point. The negative press RIGHT NOW. Musk hasn’t changed all that much in well over a decade. Since his initial offer to buy Twitter, he has become the primary target for those who used to worship him for Tesla and SpaceX. The number of negative articles have only increased 100x, many actually pointing out issues the authors chose to ignore years ago because Musk was the electric car and space darling.
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“Dance for the master.”
Now waltz for me bro!
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About those blood emeralds…
“As a result of this, the teenage Elon Musk once walked the streets of New York with emeralds in his pocket. His father said: “We were very wealthy. We had so much money at times we couldn’t even close our safe,” adding that one person would have to hold the money in place with another closing the door. “And then there’d still be all these notes sticking out and we’d sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.””
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-birthday-ceo-tesla-b1874017.html
Maybe you you stop being selective illiterate and start reading, though I should thank you for forcing me to check that.
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Is it not fact, then, that the reduction of CSAM protection and other issues presently surrounding Twitter happened as a result of Musk taking ownership and making very questionable decisions to fire the people keeping his new toy functional and running? Why would people not write articles about this?
Claiming that this is how Musk has always been is not the slamdunk defense you seem to want it to be. It is entirely likely that people ignored the issues with Musk because he was the “space and electric car darling”. What would you rather have happened now? That people continue worshipping him instead?
wrong "to"
though I don’t think the company relies to heavily on it yet
Too*
This makes no sense. “cloud” and “data center” are not analogous nor mutually exclusive.
Driving it into a wall
Musk reminds me of those wealthy bros who buy an expensive supercar and proceed to drive it into a wall. Yes, they know how to drive a car, and no, not that kind of car.
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I love you leftys and your long winded hate speeches.Its rather amusing 😄
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I find it amusing that the trolls who are showing up out of nowhere assume that accurately reporting on Elon Musk must mean you’re a “lefty.” Why do you do that?
It’s rather amusing.
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To put it simply, Mr. Masnick, conservatives have a team-based mentality, so they can’t easily concieve the notion of “their own” hurting their own. At best, they have to focus on hurting on “the other”, even if it’s just their time, even when they hurt themselves exponentially more. It’s kind of sad, really.
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Let's go elon
Keep that woke dummycratic mess out of our lives. Hope he can buy Facebook next.
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“Hope he can buy Facebook next.”
Me too. His destruction of FB would be a sight to see.
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Don't you bother to proofread your work??
You really ought start proofreading what you have written, before you post an article… this piece contained numerous grammatocal errors.. clearly, you don’t even bother to use spell check! 😖😜 My daughter is in elementary school, and writes more proficiently. 🫣
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Perhaps you “ought start” [sic] proofreading your comments.
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Can’t expect a spambot to be “grammatocal” now, can we?
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Can this be more clearly a hit piece?
You say you didn’t want to keep talking about Elon. But him unplugging a server and DAYS later an outrageous happens and you decide connecting those things is story worthy?
Do you even know how online services work? cause they don’t just take days to go down.
That’s just the worst part of this article, the entire thing is just completely absent of any sort of intelligence, you get literally everything about the premise wrong, so I guess it’s not surprising the rest of the article was just derived from that initial hate
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So you just didn’t read past the first paragraph, huh? Because the post goes into detail about turning off entire data centers.
Can’t see how anyone with half a brain could read this and not see that it had a tremendous level of detail and evidence to back it up. You seem to have only read the headline and the first paragraph and nothing else, and then just got super duper angry that someone was criticizing your favorite billionaire.
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As an experienced dev, this article is quite wrong
You are somewhat right to critique a ceo figure who seems to be wrong or controversial.
However, things like Twitter being managed wastefully by leftwing liars, and their pushback against Musk, seems to be an obvious thing that happens a lot in technology.
For example, they likely did scale back architecture, as a result,not relying on overpaying and mismanaging server boxes, where leftwing engineers (if you call them that) were as usual lying to keep their jobs and just throwing cash at issues. I encounter this all the time. Even people who seem totally normal when talking to me (when I am hired to fix more expert things) go behind your back and try to justify things that are plain wasteful and also stupid that they did. In twitters case I’d imagine it’s much of the same.
Yes, as written, previous people said things like they were going to suffer load issues, and only 1 out of like the hundreds or thousands seemed to truly understand it, as your article notes (sounds about right), while the rest of them were basically working pityjobs at positions that didn’t even need to exist, and spinning agendas that we now just have evidence exists: shadow bans, censorship, yes we knew about it but it’s simply confirmed now.
The website needing so many staff just to run, and still suffering these issues, shows to me that aside from the leftwingers’ lying and cheating mentality prevalent throughout their psychology, that Twitter was one of those operations that was only hosting a website, yet was being fed dirty money, with many cheater employees.
Now my major point is it’s bad to be a narc CEO type and just fire people for dumb reasons, and bad to scale back things for no reason. However this recent Musk backlash seems at least most times to be lies, exaggerations, and downright propaganda. They did scale back servers, when superior right-wing and real engineers came to take a look, and found they didn’t need to pay half of it nor have half of the servers. The point is most Twitter so called engineers were simply so inexperienced and cheating and the proof is that they did do these things, and now the website is still faster or same functioning with way less issues, way less money spent, and way less servers. This is the typeof narcissism that efficient people who do the right thing have to suffer. And I feel this musk backlash is again, cheaters gone wild, not just because yes it’s prevalent through the mostly leftwing ideologies to lie and cheat, but because it’s in these people’s nature’s to literally not be qualified for anything, to get paid and recieve way too much for years, then say these type of tirades, but you only see the 1sided tirade from the fakers who spent way too much time and money, and not from the pros musk brought in who said lol this is easy and we’ll run this on like 1/4 the servers the right way. The proofs in the pudding.. this sortof thing always happens to me as well even for the seemingly ‘nice guys’ when you find they were lying to keep being paid at their job they’ve already had ‘for years’ to stop me from making the efficiency change to get paid way less that is required in like ‘2 weeks’. They did get results but not great ones over a long period, and while parading around like as if they were actually top engineers at some place, etc
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how’s the boot taste ?
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“when superior right-wing and real engineers…’
Wow you made an entire profile just to humiliate yourself.
“As an experienced dev, this article is quite wrong.”
Tell me do you actually think anyone bought a single line of your horseshit?
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It was not that major
Seriously, it was a short outage.
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I didn’t get God damn thing as you keep brewing it and moving it around the stupid b**** still a liar
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You can Fucking swear like a drunk sailor on shore leave drunk on their alcohol of choice, you know?
Not like you’d care considering your comment.
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Twits and Twitter
If Twitter tweets in a forest…. does anyone care? It’s not like it’s life support or contributed anything to society. Hilarious to watch people fret over it though.
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Nobody’s “fretting”. There’s 2 issues at play here. One is that a company that was working toward reducing hate speech (and increasing profitability) is now being run by a guy who never quite got out of the teen edgelord years. The other is that while Musk attached an extra $1 billion/year debt to Twitter, almost everything he’s done has acted to reduce its revenue.
There’s more to this story than Musk or Twitter, but if you think that the people talking about it are worried, concerned or otherwise not laughing about it, you might need to read about it from other sources.
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Twitter is the primary promotional media and portfolio of quite a few artists. It has enabled minor fads and it’s one of many login interfaces of many services and quite a few games.
Japan is quite scuppered if Twitter goes down, even if they have alternatives. Then again, according to people who hate Twitter, those people deserve it…
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ELON
Don’t hate on Elon just because he is smarter and richer than you will ever be.
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Criticism isn’t necessarily contempt.
Other than the mild annoyance of Musk being the Internet’s main character for months, I doubt few people here hate him on a personal level. I know I don’t. What a lot of us here are doing is criticising Musk for doing things that have hurt Twitter’s ability to generate revenue and generally damaged Twitter’s already tarnished reputation.
As others have mentioned, Twitter has allowed lots of creative types to monetize their skills. Twitter has also given a platform to the marginalized so they can have their say and lift up other unheard or rarely heard voices. The rash decisions of Elon Musk in re: how he has run Twitter have damaged the ability of those users to do those things. Whether Elon has made those decisions because he’s going through a mid-life post-divorce crisis, he’s trying to turn Twitter into a right-wing shitpit, or he’s trying to get back at all the people who mocked him (and may still be mocking him) is ultimately irrelevant. The decisions themselves are what matter, and those decisions have not been in the best interests of Twitter’s long-term functionality and success.
I care that Elon is obscenely wealthy, but his wealth is beside the point here. He could be merely rich and I’d still criticize him for his seeming inability to jump over the first hurdle in the Content Moderation Speedrun.
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No hate at all. Just disappointment that he has wasted a massive opportunity to build a better site, and effectively made a site that was very useful into one that is now useless.
As for “richer,” I’ll just note that my net worth went up WAY, WAY, WAY more than Elon’s did over the past year. So, if we’re judging people based on their wealth accumulation, I think you’d have to say that Elon should “hate on” me for the past year.
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"Cry Me A River"
Damn all y’all over here crying and whining constantly because your personal bubbles got popped and your echo chambers don’t have walls anymore….grow up and get a damned job, pathetic how everyone cries about the “Twitter takeover” when it has been limiting peoples thoughts, opinions and free speech for years. Got off the cloud and GTFO in the real world ffs
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Which opinions would those be, exactly?
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Fuck off, spambot.
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The real world has you “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps” kind of folks.
You know what I call that? Implied suicide.
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Full of waste
Twitter continues to function, minus 80% of the blotted staff, an entire data center and the cut of the fed government.
The company was nothing but a tool for the feds to steal your data, control the narrative, thus controlling the people.
Musk has shown the world the bloated corruption and mismanagement of a platform that the feds took over.
Shame on you for making Musk the bad guy. It’s his company, he can do what he wants with it.
If you don’t like it go somewhere else.
No one cares how you feel you cry baby hack.
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But for how long? You could sack all the staff in any computing department, and things would continue to work normally for several months, but then a problem arises, a regulation is changed, or a recovery from a major power outage is required, and the company is out of business before they can hire people, and those hires figure out how the system was built.
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So tell me how they did this? Mind control techniques? LSD in the water? Jewish space-lasers? From what I can see there is only one minority group who thinks the above is try, stupid Americans that needs remedial education.
Apparently you do since you managed to assemble enough wits to post a rant here.
If you haven’t noticed, that is exactly what is happening. Smart people don’t behave like little snowflakes having meltdowns and complaining about “viewpoint discrimination” or whatever, they understand that when they aren’t wanted they go elsewhere.
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So, why are you here then?
Come to harass the owner for criticizing your “hero”?
Please, stay in your fucking containment zone and don’t cross over.