Elon Appears To Admit That He’s Driven Away 40% Of Twitter’s Advertisers
from the how-not-to-run-a-business dept
Elon Musk keeps trying to tell people that he’s saving Twitter. But, he may have just accidentally admitted how much he’s screwed it up. In yet another Twitter Spaces where he spoke about things happening at the site, he actually provided some numerical details, as covered by the Financial Times.
He said that the platform had been on course to spend about $5bn in 2023. Overall costs at Twitter in 2021, the last annual period that the company reported before being taken private, were $5.6bn, during which time it made a pre-tax loss of $221,409.
Musk predicted that Twitter’s net cash outflow, “if you didn’t make any changes”, would be about $6bn to $6.5bn next year. This is partly because the company has been loaded with $12.5bn of debt to help to fund his acquisition, requiring about $1.5bn a year in annual debt servicing payments amid rising interest rates, he said.
“Not good since Twitter has $1bn in cash,” he said. “So that’s why I spent the last five weeks cutting costs like crazy.”
His remarks suggested the company was on track to make about $3bn in annual revenues next year. That would suggest Twitter was on course for revenues as much as $2bn lower in 2023 than the $5bn it achieved in 2021 – which mainly came from advertising. Many marketers have pulled out of the platform since Musk’s takeover over moderation concerns.
So, if we break that down… the company had been at around breakeven before he took it over, bringing in around $5 billion in revenue, while spending a similar amount. Elon, by leveraging the takeover with high interest loans added another $1.5 billion to the annual costs. That was obviously problematic if he wanted to make money (we’ll ignore the fact that when he first announced the takeover he insisted he wasn’t doing it for the money). So it was no surprise that he’d cut costs.
Still, the normal way one does this (especially if you end up taking over a company that you desperately spent months trying not to takeover, effectively giving you just a couple days to learn about how the actual business works before being in charge) would be to try to understand the overall business, how things work, and then draw up a plan to cut the actual fat in a manner that doesn’t disturb the inbound cash flow. Maybe you take a short term hit by dealing with a few months of extra burn, but you avoid doing overall damage to the site.
Instead, as everyone has seen, Musk did the full slash and burn, while somewhat chaotically making a bunch of decisions that were seen as quite questionable for advertiser brand safety. Which is an issue since 90% of the revenue is from advertising. Even if Musk’s eventual goal is to cut advertising significantly, maybe don’t piss off advertisers right from the start.
Now, there had been speculation about just how many advertisers had bailed, and what that meant for the bottom line. And here, Musk seems to reveal the details: revenue is going to drop from $5 billion a year to $3 billion a year — suggesting approximately 40% of the ad spend is just gone. Poof.
He seems okay with it because he’s cut costs to an even greater degree, but it sure raises serious questions about the overall sustainability of the business. Advertisers tend to go where the hot new thing is, not the old thing. And scaring away that much advertising is a big deal. It’s hard to see how you bring that back.
And, yes, Musk has said he wants to move more to subscription revenue, but the early numbers on that looked absolutely pitiful, and likely are not doing much to replace departing ad revenue.
So, yes, in theory you could argue that the company could survive just at a much lower revenue tier, but again that leaves out the factor of time and trajectory (and the wildcard of their unpredictable CEO). Killing the momentum of a social media network seems like a good way to drive it into a downward spiral. And that seems to be how Musk has done things.
He had other options. He could have figured out how to make cuts more strategically. He could have chosen not to leverage the deal so much. But he went in the other direction instead and scared off tons of advertisers. A corporate disaster that will be spoken about for years.
Filed Under: ads, cost cutting, elon musk, revenue
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Comments on “Elon Appears To Admit That He’s Driven Away 40% Of Twitter’s Advertisers”
Elon Musk may yet replace Dunning-Krueger as the name for that specific syndrome.
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Dunning-Kruger is literally just the expert fallacy with extra steps.
Of course, if we’re appealing to expertise, how many multi-billion dollar companies have YOU run?
Do you get why that’s just a dumb thing for you to say?
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who are you again?
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My name is right there, but it doesn’t matter, pointing out logical fallacies doesn’t depend on who I am, does it?
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No Elon, it doesn’t depend on who you are. But successfully pointing out a logical fallacy requires you have the ability to recognize logical fallacies. As well as an understanding of logical fallacies and an ability to communicate that understanding when pointing out logical fallacies.
Thus far you have failed to point out a single logical fallacy, nor have you demonstrated the above prerequisites for doing so.
Regardless of who you are or are not, you are habitually incorrect. Go have some fruitcake or something, it’s delicious.
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Oh, look. Mr. Dull Knife is back.
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I can safely say I’ve never cost people billions of dollars, so, y’know, doing better than Ol’ Musky on that front for sure.
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Get off the internet and get some fresh air, as ever you do not understand the basics of things. If you can’t get off the internet, at least try to read this: https://skepticalinquirer.org/exclusive/yes-the-dunning-kruger-effect-really-is-real/
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I would say that “Elon Musk syndrome” would be that the more successful someone is, the more likely they are to overestimate their own competence.
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I know it’s popular to attribute everything under the sun to Musk, but there’s been some prior art researched by Socrates and documented in Platon’s “Apologia” in the quest for the wisest man.
You might as well call automobilists Musketeers in order to honor Musk’s fabulous invention of the wheel.
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For the record, I meant “successful” in terms of fame or money, whether increasing the amount you have or simply having a lot of it.
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Well he just sort of Peter Principled himself, so yeah.
Only 40% of advertisers?
I’m betting that number should be way, way higher.
Why not both?
Elon Musk: the Grand Wizard of Mt. Stupid
Point of no return
The big question at this point is, is there anyone Musk could bring in that could steer this boat without a paddle?
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There are people with the technical and business knowhow. The problem is that even if they were willing to work for him (and keep in mind that he just fired most of the people who would fit the bill), it would take a lot more than just competent management to undo the damage he’s done to Twitter’s, and his own, reputation among advertisers, employees, users, and the general public.
I don’t think Twitter can earn back the trust it’s lost unless Musk sells the company. And maybe not even then.
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No one that he fired seems to have been terribly important. In fact it’s not clear they were doing anything useful at all.
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If so few things are clear to you, you need to clean your glasses. Or get your eyes checked. Or both.
I’ve heard too much masturbation can cost men their sight, but I always thought that was an urban legend.
Maybe you’re proof it’s not, which would square with you acting like a creepy incel.
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Ensuring compliance with legal requirements and consent decrees isn’t important?
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No, you see, the Federal government is an all-powerful, all-seeing entity of absolute malice until it comes to enforcing laws, at which point it turns into a puppy that’s been distracted by its own tail.
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Well, the subject thinks keeping the servers running and paying rent are optional so…
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FOR RENT: House, slightly on fire and filled with toxic waste. Homeowner looking for sca- renter who will be in charge of fixing the place up and who will most certainly not be blamed should it be in anything other than flawless condition when the homeowner checks up on things a week to month later.
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He would have to contractually obligate himself not to involve himself in any actual decision-making, and frankly to stay off the premises of any and all Twitter locations. As well as grant the authority for his replacement to rescind all of his mistakes.
I think profusely apologizing to the world and crawling in the streets of San Francisco while wearing nothing but his tighty-whities might be the right level of groveling for someone out there with the very low level of competence required to fix this, to step in.
That might just be my requirements, though. I do actually hate the man.
One of the cost cutting measures you don’t do is stop paying rent before vacating the premises. I can only wonder if those same office spaces also hold servers. It would be interesting to see what a lockout would look like.
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I believe most of the servers are virtual, but who said anything about not paying rent? Are you just making things up?
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But they run on real servers, and without those there are no virtual servers.
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While you can indeed run virtual servers on physical servers hosted on prem, what I really meant and what the term usually refers to is virtual severs on a cloud service like AWS.
Anyway no, there’s probably no servers hosted at the downtown offices. Even if twitter owns its servers they’d be in a server farm in the desert or something.
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And they’d still have to pay whoever was hosting those servers, terrorist.
Then again, all you’ve demonstrated is a lack of evidence, a whole lot of “motivated reasoning”, and nothing resembling civility or not being a terrorist.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twitter-shakeup.html
This is what’s called evidence. A thing you are noted for not having.
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Actually, that’s mostly opinion and hearsay by someone pretending to be a journalist. It’s definitely not “evidence” they haven’t paid rent.
Re: Re: Re:2 You pretend to be compatent
See there’s your problem bro. You have the definitions of the words “evidence” and “heresy” mixed up.
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No
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What a stunning and witty riposte. Truly thou are’t the very mirror image of The Bard, re-birthed in our time, bro.
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Welcome to the Matrix; your reality is an illusion, and everything you think is a lie. You can choose to believe Elon Musk, or you can face the truth and escape the virtual world of the Matrix.
Choose to eat delicious cookies or choose to be half-baked, the choice is yours.
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Wait… what???
I eat delicious cookies all the time, especially when I am half-baked (and even fully baked!!)!!
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Virtual servers still have to be on physical machines.
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My inner child is screaming about dumpster-diving for racks of abandoned Twitter hard drives… but I have to remind her this isn’t the 1980s anymore.
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Why go for the HDDs? Maybe they have something Fun, like SPARCs (possibly even M8s… though I am pretty sure twitter is too young to have gotten on the SPARC train, specially since it’s been heading for a wreck since Oracle)
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I’m going more for use than fun.
Hard Drives that haven’t been properly wiped probably have recoverable data.
Also, they tend to be smaller than a whole server. If they did have SPARCs, just taking the processor seems a bit pointless.
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I just come here to see if you've said something dumb about twitter
I’m never disappointed.
It was losing money before, it will be making money now. You want to spin that as bad. SUPER HOT TAKE
Never mind that Musk’s main goal was to stop the awful censorship.
Again:
It’s been proven that Twitter engaged in extremely biased, ideological censorship.
It’s been proven that Twitter engaged in censorship based on political goals.
Worst of all, it’s been proven that twitter engaged in censorship based upon government request. No, it doesn’t matter how much you lie (“explain”) about that and try to pretend otherwise. No, it doesn’t matter that the FBI ban lists were like “but you really don’t have to”, either legally or practically.
Since this hard, direct evidence directly contradicts what you’ve been saying, you’ve taken to lying and gaslighting about it, and just generally sucking the FBI’s cock to defend the Old Twitter.
Stopping all that was of course Musk’s goal, not turning a profit, nor did anyone think that profit was his goal, but you will spin things in whatever way you can to shit on Musk. –Presumably because you’re a hardcore partisan and Musk rejects progressive orthodoxies. Or maybe you just hate free speech. Who cares? You were very, very wrong, there’s direct proof refuting what you’ve said, and…..your response is just to pretend facts don’t exist anymore, I guess?– Musk does want twitter to continue existing, and this way it will, and on it’s prior course it will not.
Stop writing about twitter, you’re unqualified, you statist shill. (I’m aware you think of yourself as the opposite, that’s why it’s sad)
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Sir, this is a Carl’s Jr.
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They are still around?
If so, great, I’d like to place an order!
/s
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The fuck is a Carl’s Jr? This is a Hardee’s, ma’am.
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Re: Hmmm...
well, OK, the Musk-bashing does seem a bit obsessive.
A more measured analysis would b nice.
If Musk is indeed such a fool and nasty personage, we will all soon see the proof in financial collapse of his TWITTER adventure.
Patience
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again, Twitter is making money where it was not before, and I’m not sure whether it’s business success has much to do his personage.
Really this is just people freaking out about a cultural change. Twitter used to have lots of censorship, now will much less, and some people REALLY liked the censorship.
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Still waiting for you to answer the question as to what were the consequences for Twitter in ignoring 60% of the accounts flagged for review?
You seem to be adamant that the FBI had given Twitter an implied threat, I just want to know from you what they did to Twitter for ignoring their request.
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It doesn’t matter. It really doesn’t. The FBI gave a ban list. Even the attempt was a 1st amendment violation
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Ummmm yes it does matter. Just because the FBI gave a “ban list” to Twitter, Twitter was under ZERO obligation to actually follow through.
So where is the 1st amendment violation?
What threat of state action was forcing Twitter to do the bidding of the FBI and what were the consequences if Twitter didn’t follow through with 60% of the requests?
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Do you happen to know what the first 5 words of the first amendment are?
If you do, then why don’t you understand them?
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First he’d have to learn how to understand plain English first, and there’s no signs of that happening any time soon.
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In order for there to be coercion, there either must be an explicit threat or command, the perception of coercion by the target, or actual consequences imposed by the government for failing to follow the instructions (or at least evidence of an actual attempt to do so). While not everything that fulfills one or more of those conditions constitutes coercion, anything that would be considered to be coercion under the law does fulfill at least one of them. (And yes, for the first condition, the threat or command must be explicit, not implied. As for your example of a protection racket, that would fulfill the other two conditions, so there is no problem there.)
The list absolutely did not contain explicit threat or command (again, neither the word “ban” nor any variant thereof appear anywhere in there, nor was there anything about consequences mentioned even vaguely in it). As Twitter received no consequences for the 60% of accounts it didn’t take down, we can say there were no consequences in practice. There is also no evidence that the FBI even tried to impose consequences.
That leaves whether there was a perception of coercion by Twitter. Nothing in the Twitter Files suggests that Twitter felt coerced, and the fact that they only took action on 40% of the listed accounts suggests they didn’t perceive the list as coercive.
Given that none of the conditions were met, we can safely say that, under the current law, there is no evidence that this constitutes even an attempt by the FBI to coerce Twitter to ban those listed. As such, there is no 1A violation.
Also, while you keep calling it a ban list, it is not actually a ban list. Again, neither “ban” nor any similar words appear anywhere at all in anything sent by the FBI.
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“Really this is just people freaking out about a cultural change.”
You are quite right about that. Just not in the way you intended.
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Awwwww, is that a threat of violence? That’s cute.
Re: Re: Re:3 Maybe you should quit while you're behind
You really are substantially (that means a lot) dumber than Chozen. That’s quite the feat there bro.
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Are you incapable of reading? How is that even remotely a threat of violence?
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Bashing, my ass.
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We already seen it for the past 20+ years, at least those of us who were paying attention to the yutz.
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“It’s been proven that Twitter engaged in extremely biased, ideological censorship.
It’s been proven that Twitter engaged in censorship based on political goals.”
Citation needed. No, OAN does not count as a reliable source.
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Twitter files #6. It’s not my fault you don’t read the news.
Re: Re: Re: You two shold at least go out on a date.
So no, you don’t have a citation then. How unsurprising from the mental midget who makes Chozen look like Einstein.
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….that was actually a citation.
That someone like you can then try to be smug absolutely amazes me. Don’t really owe you citation (those asking for such never accept it when given, because asking for evidence that might sway them has nothing to do with the challenge) but I actually gave you a citation.
You do know those aren’t always URLs, right?
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You see, it’s only a citation if it agrees with him. It is not a citation if it agrees with you. This is Internet Arguments 101 stuff.
Re: Re: Re:3 Have you tried digging up?
Such a long winded way to say no I don’t have a citation.
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Twitter Files #6 does not support your claims. That is the only citation you gave. Therefore, you have not given a citation that supports your claims.
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No, it’s not our fault you can’t read. That’s probably the fault of the Great State of Idahotucky.
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Twitter Files #6 shows no evidence at all to support your claims. Mike clearly debunked it.
Why do you keep lying, when everyone here has already figured out that you’re a liar who can’t comprehend basic English words, and that your understanding of the 1st Amendment is no better than a dog’s?
Re: I just come here to see if you've said something dumb
Matthew M Bennett: Dunning-Krueger poster child.
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What an apt name you gave yourself
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Such a thoughtful rejoinder. Just the sort of thing a Dunning-Krueger poster child would consider devastating.
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You literally just said “I know you are but what am I?”
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No, genius, I was pointing out his name.
It was name calling, tho.
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The only way this thread could get more embarrassing for you, is if you literally pissed yourself while writing a reply.
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How do you know he hasn’t????
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If this was the main goal then why should any discussion on whether Twitter makes money matter in the slightest?
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Real talk "A corporate disaster that will be spoken about for years."
Going to leave aside your lies about proof of censorship, you get that that’s a silly thing to say, right? For one thing, Twitter is making money where before it was not.
For another, Twitter was always going to lose advertisers for all the same cancel-culture reasons that made taking it over necessary a very small but very woke minority is going to scream that Musk is a nazi (cuz that’s what you guys do, now) for daring to allow people to acknowledge that a transwoman is still, biologically a man, or whatever. Or that maybe the RNA vaccines don’t work that well. They LIKED the censorship. They’re mad it’s gone. And companies that are also woke or just (much more often) extremely responsive to any kind of protest will step away from the controversy.
Then after awhile people will see everything is fine (which it is) and things will go back to normal, plus other improvements, it’s all good.
But of course YOU hate the idea of that Masnick, YOU like the censorship. SO you, too, have to shit on Musk to keep up the perception that whole thing is going poorly, which it pretty clearly is not.
Guess what? 75% of Old Twitters employees were useless. Gadde is a monster. And this is actually going pretty well, and exposing a lot of past corruption to boot. You and most of the liberal media trying to gaslight on it is just expected, at this point.
A post-truth society, I guess.
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Dude. We proved you are full of shit. And you KEEP REPEATING YOUR LIE. Don’t tell me you’re “leaving aside” something when you keep pumping out bullshit.
False. Twitter was around breakeven. It had some positive quarters, and some negative quarters. It was not wildly profitable, but the idea that it wasn’t making money before is wrong. And so is the idea that it’s making money now. Its revenue has dropped MASSIVELY. Sure it cut a ton of expenses, but a bunch of that seems to have been by not paying its bills and ignoring regulatory requirements. That’s going to lead to massive fines, that will be ridiculously costly (and could have been easily avoided).
You’re so brainwashed it’s silly. No one was canceling ads for “cancel culture” reasons. Advertisers don’t give a shit about that at all. They care about what works for their brand, and having it displayed next to hate, abuse, and harassment is bad for business. But Musk is embracing it. It’s a bad choice if you want to make money.
At best, Musk is showing that when you encourage harassment and abuse, it’s bad for busienss.
Help me out, Matthew. Who is “you guys” in this sentence. I have never called Musk a Nazi.
Once again, you seem to make shit up about us. It’s fucking weird dude. Come out of the fantasy world, and come back to the land of reality.
Matthew: let me let you in on a secret: there’s no such thing as a “woke” company. Companies are capitalist. They want to make money. They don’t make decisions based on what is “woke.” They make decision on what will make them money.
I can barely get Twitter to load any more. But sure, go on believing it’s fine.
I deplore censorship. I am against censorship. But I also am not a complete fucking idiot, so I know the difference between moderating on your own property and censorship, which are wholly unrelated.
This is false, given that the site keeps failing, that they fired the people who were stopping CSAM, such that it is now rampant on the site. And just wait until the FTC and the EU get done with Twitter. It’s not going to go well, and Musk is going to discover maybe he shouldn’t have fired all the people who know how to do stuff.
That the site is still functioning at all is a testament to many of the fired people who built a resilient site. But the problems are vast and getting worse.
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You’re such a coward, Mattie. I specifically called Trump a Nazi. You’re a Nazi too.
It’s not my fault you think the same way fans of Hitler do, and it’s not my fault that Elon Musk thinks like a Hitler fan too. You should know better, but you don’t because you’re both fascist losers who don’t know a single thing and are unwilling to get a clue.
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Oh and my bad; I called Musk, Trump. Same difference at this point, you CHUDs are interchangeable.
Key words: 'So far'
Now, there had been speculation about just how many advertisers had bailed, and what that meant for the bottom line. And here, Musk seems to reveal the details: revenue is going to drop from $5 billion a year to $3 billion a year — suggesting approximately 40% of the ad spend is just gone. Poof.
Worthwhile to point out that he’s been running the company for what, two months at this point? Losing near half of your main source of revenue in that short of a time period with no indication that he’s realized why probably does not bode well for the future of the company or his ability to keep the remaining 60% around long term.
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Cuz SJWs really like censorship and are pissed it’s gone? That’s WHY. But the freak out is pretty clearly temporary. Twitter has become more relevant over the last 2 months, not less. No one ever moves to Canada. Sure will be a lot of whining tho.
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“No one ever moves to Canada.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-21/immigration-to-canada-population-growth-hits-fresh-annual-record
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….and also for the US, every year? You realize that was talking about people moving to Canada cuz their favored candidate lost the election and immigration in general, right? Like people say they’re going to do that and never do.
Did you feel smart, posting a link that only showed you can’t grasp subtext?
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Bro just take the L.
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I’m sorry, is it somehow, in your mind, mutually exclusive for people to be moving to both the United States and Canada?
(I mean, for any individual person, it probably is, but we’re talking here about groups)
As for your whinging about the context of your ritual phrase and its meanings, I have much better grounds to be annoyed about it than you do. Every four years people use my country as some kind of totemic sloppy-seconds thing to express their displeasure about American nonsense, and far more of them talk about it than ever do anything, because — and this comes as a surprise to some people! — it’s actually rather difficult to move between countries, even when they’re as similar as the U.S. and Canada are.
But, and this is the reason why your original comment is ridiculously dumb, it’s a helluva lot easier to uninstall Twitter than change your country of residence. So people’re gonna, unless Musk bails out first. It’ll be an interesting race between their patience and how many billions of dollars of Tesla market capitalization Musk can evaporate every week.
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“Sure will be a lot of whining tho.”
It is your go to move.
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People might not ‘move to Canada’, but yes they’ve moved on to social media sites not defined as fascist circle jerks.
If fascist circle jerks are relevant to you, I can see why you feel Twitter is ‘better’.
That’s a toxic existence for you, though.
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Let’s be real: in a sense the ad revenue is 100% gone even if he doesn’t realize it. Even saying he’s hired enough people to handle the ad campaigns (he fired them) again, there’s little indication that even niche* advertisers will want to replace the more mainstream revenue that’s slipping away.
He’s never been totally honest in this endeavor or any other, his entire persona is built on decades of repeated lies including regarding his degrees. Let’s say he’s inflating what revenue he’s actually expecting by 3x since that’s not very much for one of his exaggerations.
The remaining 1 billion he thinks exists probably will not by the time the 2023 fiscal year ends even if a fraction (or all) of it does now.
*Alt-right associated ads companies
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An interesting question. It is said that some major brands have cut their advertising on Twitter so as to avoid their ads showing up next to what you term the ``niche” advertisers.
But the next question is, how many users will cut their use of Twitter so as to reduce the risk that their twits do not wind up next to these ``niche” adverts.
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Well, they piss their pants when you call them Nazis.
And those ad companies really want to pretend hard they’re only unconventional, not just fascist fucks.
Personally I think their weird little euphemisms are damning to them in a way.
Keep going
40% is a good start, now do the remaining 60% too. Come on, you’ve still got time to beat Nokia’s speedrun record in dominance to irrelevance.
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Don’t worry, Masnick wants the same thing. He’s just busy pretending otherwise
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Masnick, you seem to have a bit of a bot problem
Or possibly a troll who wipes cookies and uses different browsers. But have noticed only conservatives are EVER “flagged” here?
Maybe you could get Musk to buy out your company for a dollar and clear that problem up.
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I believe the word you’re looking for is “assholes”.
Or possibly “morons”.
Or maybe both.
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“Or possibly a troll who wipes cookies and uses different browsers. ”
Outoftheblue fucked off years ago bro. Instead we have you. His uglier, less competent replacement.
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As a conservative, I do not claim you.
You get flagged by nearly everyone because you say incorrect things based on your lack of reading comprehension and call anyone who tries to relieve your ignorance, a ‘moron’. You really love saying that and even if it wasn’t a slur, I’m sure people are tired of you endlessly repeating it.
You can ignore what I’m say, but in the end everything you say is tiresome and pointless, and no matter how many times you say nothing, it will still be nothing. Maybe this is just a game to you, though. In which case you’re a loser no matter how you score it.
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At least you can admit that your toxic behavior, which most normal people see as being a fucking assholes, is intrinsically tied to people identifying as “conservatives”.
See also, Chozen, Koby, Hyman, etc…
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The woke ideologues who populate the comments section here can never win an argument on the merits, so they resort to flagging posts that point out uncomfortable truths to them.
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… hallucinated nobody capable of rational independent thought, ever.
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When you tell me to fuck off it’s an argumemt that needs to be addressed on its merits, but when I tell you to fuck off it’s an admission of defeat. A bit ‘heads I win, tails you lose’ isn’t it?
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Yeah, can’t imagine why people would flag a raging bigot who constantly argues dishonestly and throws out insults like party favors other than because people don’t like your demented version of ‘truth’…
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So, Hyman.
It’s okay for those fine conservative spaces to MODERATE, THAT IS, KICK YOU OUT but NOT EVERYONE ELSE?
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Anyone is allowed to kick anyone else out of spaces they own. Large generic speech platforms, however, should not kick people out for stating opinions that differ in viewpoint from that of the owners.
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… has only happened on small Nazi platforms including Conservapedia, Parler, and Truth Social.
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That is a claim that indicate the speaker is not here for debate but rather to try and force what they consider the truth down everybodies throats.
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It’s always amusing when trolls like Hyman pathetically try to gaslight about what’s on the very page they’re posting on.
To wit — any reader can uncollapse any or all of the troll posts here to see not a one has a single truth – “uncomfortable” or otherwise in them at all – and trust their own eyes over Hyman’s lies.
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People can only ever be the sex of their bodies. That is a truth that woke gender ideologues cannot countenance.
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It’s always satisfying when progress and technology makes people like you a relic of the past and laughed at in the annals of history for your stupidity.
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Fortunately, no one has refuted basic biology, Hyman.
Even less are thinking biology determines gender.
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I feel like you’re trying to imply that Hyman’s name is a homonym for ‘hymen’. And that’s… I don’t know.
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It is a homonym. And it’s … nothing. I think one or two commenters here have deliberately misspelled my name, I suppose assuming it’s some highly clever insult instead of childishness. Plenty of people have misspelled my name accidentally. Whatever. My name is an anglicized version of the Hebrew חיים (Chaim), and lots of people have it, some as given name, some as surname.
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No one cares about your straight white male insecurities, Hymen.
We’re going to humiliate you until you convert to the ways of anal vore femboys.
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You reiterate things I am well aware of.
I personally think Chaim sounds better in general, setting aside the homonym part of it. Maybe that’s no reason to be ashamed of your name, but aesthetically I prefer the Hebrew.
Oh well, English is like that.
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Nah, I’m trying to imply Hyman Rosen is an idiot who doesn’t want to keep up with psychology, sociology and society, instead choosing to promote a worldview that excludes minorities of all sorts, starting with trans people.
No one is refuting biology. Even less think that biology determines gender. That is the scientific consensus. Gender dysphoria is a real, observable mental condition in the DSMV and can be treated in many, many ways, and gender reassignment surgery is usually done after much consideration, observation and advice from a team of doctors from various fields of medicine when done right, and is usually done as a last resort.
I do apologize for going on that rant, though.
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Whatever, it’s not a new rant. I don’t give a shit about people’s physiology though, that’s their own business to do with as they please and everyone aught to have agency over it. It’s not a big deal.
None of these rants on anyone’s part is new whether it’s by (or on behalf of) trans people who ought just to be left alone by bigots and helped like any other person (including unique consideration for the things you rant about) without having to justify their existence to anyone; or whether it’s by bigots who stubbornly refuse to give a shit about anything besides how someone else’s mere existence discomforts them.
I recall that members of my own family were killed by Nazis, who thought the existence of Jews was so awful we had to be tracked down with IBM machines and killed in a literally-industrial way. And other members of my family fought Nazis as it’s everyone’s duty to fight fascists until fascists are only ever a memory we hold as a warning to never allow them to arise yet again.
And yet those same Nazis burned research that had already been done on and for transgender people, and then killed transgender people too. If those trans people had not been murdered, if that research had not been destroyed… would we even be talking about the science of gender at this point?
Or would trans people simply be accepted and integrated into society without bigots showing up to harass them? That’s the kind of thing I was reminded to always remember.
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Harass the bigots. Remind everyone that disagreeing with sexual minorities is homophobia, transphobia, and letting it slide is the equivalent of genocide. There can be no middle ground when it comes to dealing with those incapable of being fabulous.
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“woke gender ideologues”
What a wonderful Christmas you have provided for Tran Youth Charities.
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Yet more evidence that proves my observation was true and correct.
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“woke ideologues”
Thank you for that donation to trans youth services.
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Given that we respond to your comments even after they are hidden, there is no reason to believe that you are being flagged because you can’t be beaten in an argument.
Also, you don’t even seem to understand what “woke ideologues” claim, only attacking strawmen you call “woke ideologues”. That suggests that you recognize that you can’t win an argument against what people actually believe or claim and so make up fictional positions to argue against instead, pretending that you’re making an actual point. You’re not stating uncomfortable truths; you’re stating falsehoods or things no one actually disputes.
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For example, I think you claim to believe that people don’t think they can change their sex, despite the fact that people have themselves medically and surgically mutilated to try to resemble the sex that you think they don’t believe they can transform into. So I think you’re wrong, or dissembling, as woke ideologues tend to do when exposed to the light of day.
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Before, you responded to the well-known fact that Black people commit crimes in numbers far higher than their share of the population with a Wikipedia brush-off. Woke ideologues cannot even abide plain, easily looked-up facts that point out problems with their favored victim groups.
https://heyjackass.com/
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And now, do the statistics of the systematic racism against black people and how crime is related to income inequality. Or is that topic too difficult for a simpleton like you since you seem to have zero understanding of cause and effect.
If you want to complain about crime rates and black people look no further than to your mirror and you’ll see one of the reasons it happens – racist assholes.
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Even if your attempts to excuse criminals by nattering about systemic racism, as woke ideologues do, were correct, which they are not, you cannot fix crime now by changing causes; the criminals who have already been created, whether by systemic racism or by the failure of their parents to form stable families or some other reason, aren’t going to stop criming just because you try to institute social justice reform. In any case, the woke ideologue response to crime by their favored victim groups is to define crime down (e.g., misdemeanor charges for “it’s just an iPhone” robberies under $1000) and release arrested repeat offenders from jail.
But by all means, blame the victims of crime for the creation of criminals. Make sure to teach the schoolchildren not to report crimes to the police if the criminals are Black. That will win you lots of elections.
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One thing I appreciate about you, Hyman, is that you don’t half-ass your absurdly ignorant racist views. You just put them out on front street, so everyone can see what a ignorant person you are. It’s so rare to see a racist be so upfront about their blatant racism.
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Woke ideologues always shout “racism” when confronted with harsh truths about their favorite victim groups. But hiding from the truth doesn’t make truth go away.
https://archive.jsonline.com/Services/include.ashx?domain=www.jsonline.com&file=hundreds-of-assault-cases-misreported-by-milwaukee-police-department-v44ce4p-152862135.html
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Hyman, facts minus context is where you prove you are a racist piece of shit.
The context of this post explained to you how systemic racism, redlining, racist hiring practices, racist housing practices, and much, much more have resulted in these kinds of conditions.
And you ignore that. Because you’re a piece of shit racist.
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Woke ideologues ignore the evils of the criminals who prey on innocent citizens when those criminals are part of their favored victim groups, and use “root causes” and “systemic racism” as the excuse. But evil criminals are evil regardless of how they got that way, and the citizens they prey upon should not be expected to tolerate that evil out of some misguided sense of guilt. Your screeching “racist” only serves to emphasize that woke ideologues can never be trusted to be in charge of of keeping citizens safe and secure in their lives and property.
When banks won’t lend to buyers in high-crime neighborhoods because they fear property values won’t be supported, they’re accused of redlining. When banks do lend to buyers in high-crime neighborhoods, they’re accused of gentrification. Woke race ideologues are best ignored or mocked. They should never be taken seriously.
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No, you racist asshole: no one is using root causes and systemic racism “as the excuse.” They’re looking to HELP STOP THIS CYCLE FROM CONTINUING, because only racist assholes like yourself assume that there’s some inherent issue that can’t be solved. Most people who can put two thoughts together in their head (i.e., not you, you racist, jackass) recognize that if you treat certain groups terribly for centuries, and then don’t help them overcome that past, that it shouldn’t be surprising when they have fewer options and are left desperate.
It’s not an excuse, it’s a reason to look to fix the errors of the past to STOP THIS CYCLE FROM CONTINUING.
But you’re too racist to recognize that.
It’s not about “tolerating,” it’s about fixing things.
You truly are an awful, awful human being. Fuck off. Go away. Don’t come back to my site.
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The funny thing is that I have never said that you shouldn’t try all your social justice solutions. Maybe they’ll help. Probably not, because woke ideologues have been trying them for about three generations now, but sure, why not, it’s only money. (These solutions do not, however, include forcing people to affirm lies about history or anything else.)
But meanwhile, people are being shot in New York and Chicago, stores are being ransacked and looted in Buffalo, and Jews and Asians are being punched in the streets. As I have said here before, woke ideologues care only for the worst dregs of humanity and not for the people they prey upon. Go and play social engineer as much as you want, but if you don’t protect the citizens from the evil scum while you’re trying to fix them, you’re not going to be allowed to have any power at all.
Really what has happened is that woke ideologues have given up on the people they’re supposedly trying to help. Instead of getting their favored victim classes to behave like civilized people – marry and stay together to raise families, learn useful subjects in school, work for a living – they just define deviancy as normal behavior, focus on training everyone else to accept that deviancy, and then wonder why nothing they do works to lift their favored victim classes up. (And if they happen to pick a victim class that does begin to succeed, they are surprised when the former victims start voting for the other side.)
No amount of your screeching spittle-flecked invective is going to make anyone but the willfully blind fail to see that the emperor is naked.
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Just the fact that you think any real effort to solve systemic problems has been tried for “three generations” shows what an ignorant moron you are. Hyman: I told you to go away. Educate yourself. Don’t come back until you’re no longer an ignorant, misinformed old fool.
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The Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, Brown, Loving, and Gideon are all three generations old. Woke race ideologues hate America and everyone but their favored victim groups, and have deluded themselves (and want to gaslight others) into believing that nothing has been done to address racism, because that way they can continue to pretend that their favored victim groups bear no responsibility for their condition.
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[Citation nonexistant]
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I don’t excuse criminals but I can understand the root cause for why they turned to crime in the first place which is something you are entirely incapable of and that root cause is racism and people like you. As I’ve said on occasion, the world would be a better place without you and other racists in it.
You don’t get the whole concept of cause and effect – instead you consistently blame the victims (because even a criminal can be a victim) for a situation that the racists created in the first place. If someone wrecks your life and your only option to survive is to steal, whose fault is it then when everyone declares you to be a criminal and throws you in jail? It can’t be those who wrecked your life, can it?
The solution to systemic racism and inequality is first to take people like you and other racists and make you totally irrelevant since you have proven that you rather persist in a behavior that is detrimental to society as a whole in the long run.
I deal in facts and not your anecdotal fantasies so I’ll just leave this here: https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing
You just can’t stop making up stupid straw men, can you? Well, I suppose it’s expected of a stupid racist like you. Anyway, I’ll just teach the children by pointing at you and your fellow racists telling them that you drove black people to it by persistently depriving them of equal rights. Children are particularly perceptive to some things when you explain the chain of causation and they invariably identify the bad guys quite accurate.
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“Woke ideologue”
Whoops missed this one earlier. Gonna need a new checkbook at this rate.
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No, just assholes, such as yourself.
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I can think of at least 2 conservatibes that aren’t flagged on sight, terrorist.
And you’re not part of that group.
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You aren’t a conservative.
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I know of at least one person who got flagged for heterophobic, cisphobic, anti-white, and anti-male speech. There are also people who are generally liberal who had posts hidden here, often for suggesting someone should off themselves or for going too far in other ways. And one person who is often flagged is actually a liberal who is opposed to having privacy in restrooms and locker rooms at all.
So no, I have not noticed that only conservatives ever get flagged here. Furthermore, several conservatives have never been flagged here. You’re once again seeing patterns that don’t actually exist.
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Nonsense. Everybody knows heterophobia doesn’t exist. It’s just a lie dreamed up by straight white males.
Just ask any queer person if heterophobia exists. They’ll tell you no, as they should.
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Hey Matthew,
I’ve seen no evidence of a bot problem. I also have seen no evidence that “only conservatives” get flagged. I do see that assholes get flagged, and that includes assholes across the political spectrum. You might not see them because you’re so focused on your own fantasy world.
I also don’t see anyone who seems to be flagging you for “conservative” views. I’ve yet to see you post a conservative view, frankly. You seem to post a lot of baseless attacks on me, and when I present the evidence showing that you’re wrong, you curse me out and insist that you’re right even when the evidence doesn’t support it.
Have you tried not being an asshole?
We have plenty of conservatives in the comments who don’t get flagged and engage in healthy discussions and debate around here.
It’s too bad you seem incapable of playing nice and can’t take the consequences of your own actions. Frankly, that’s not very conservative of you.
But it’s better, right? Because he can just replace it with blockchains. Maybe even some brick stitch.
In the end he should have just enough of Twitter left for the two users who will still be on it: him and his mother Maye.
He will be able to tweet that he needs more peanut butter. And since she won’t be massively in debt like he is, he won’t starve to death on the streets of whatever the next place he moves his companies ends up being after Texas kicks him out.
Pretty sure he’s going to be evicted from Twitter headquarters for lack bill payments there before long, so that won’t be an option. Why won’t this tech billionaire just. stop. hitting. himself?
First he breaks his twitter. If he’s not careful he’s going to break his tesla, too.
Elon's brain perceives reality differently
I don’t think at this level of wealth, especially being nouveau riche, that money means anything to him any more. I can’t even begin to comprehend what it must be like to have such enormous wealth, what must it be doing to his brain? Human brains are very plastic and malleable, his perceptions and thinking have become alien to us average beings. Here’s hoping he doesn’t take us over a cliff.
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Well, he is doing the one thing that is difficult to do at his level of wealth, and that is reduce his wealth by accident, rather than by deliberately giving it away. His wealth is well into the regime that buying jets and yachts, and running them, does not even dent his income, and the only thing to do with excess income is reinvest it, or give it away to charity.
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Such a waste.
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What brain?
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Medias Rich King
Now we know what Musk’s secret power is “Asperger’s”
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Oi! Don’t blame this on autism!
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No, his secret power is “affluenza”.
Merry Christmas, Techdirt!
Elon Musk made a lot of mistakes with Tesla too at the beginning. Telsa is still here and thriving. Hope he learns from his mistakes and makes Twitter even better for us.
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This aged like milk left out in the hot son.
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Well, we have had enough! If Musk’s Twitter won’t tolerate our diverse perspectives about children’s bondage bags, we are FUCKING OUT OF THERE!
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Asshat.
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